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Hard rock erection
« on: December 22, 2012, 03:07:01 PM »

Hi guys!
I need advice  ;) I have just meet a new lovely lady and until now by friend below won´t co-operate. How to handle this issue?
I appreciate your advice to a rock hard erection  8)
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2012, 05:14:49 PM »

TWW,

The answers are all right here on this board.  Read the "Highlights of Erectile Dysfunction" topic at the top of the board,  It covers all the basics.

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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2012, 11:09:47 PM »

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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 12:51:57 PM »

thanx MattFoley!
I appreciate your list of "meds". There are 20 of them. It´s almost hard to get all of them?
Could you please recommend 5 of the most powerful stuff from that list.

Thanks  :)
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 05:40:23 PM »

First, I recommend checking out vitacost.com. Best prices I've ever seen.

Second, it's hard to say which is the best five but for libido (testosterone & nitric oxide boost), I would go with:

Horny Goat Weed Complex -- 1200 mg
Long Jack PowerMax 200 -- 200 mg
Damiana Leaves -- 370 mg
Fenugreek Extract -- 350 mg
Forskolin 50
Maca Extract -- 525 mg
Muira Puama Bark
Gotu Kola -- 950 mg per serving
* Tribulus Terrestris -- 1,000 mg (I get this one from bodybuilding.com)
* D-Aspartic Acid -- 5 g (also from bodybuilding.com)
* Citrulline Malate -- 2000 mg

* These are the critical ones.

And most importantly, did you get your testosterone checked? The only thing I want to hear from you is either, "Yes, I'm going to definitely do it" or "Yes, I already did it". Any other answer, and I'm coming to your house to slap you.  :)
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 08:25:26 PM »

I´m having an appointment with my GP within 14 days so my answer to you will be: "Yes, I'm going to definitely do it"  ;)
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 09:42:33 PM »

Maybe it is a coincidence, but any time I eat and organ meat ie liver or lamb kidney I feel like what I might guess a person would feel like after an injection of testosterone.  The effect is most pronounced the next day.
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 11:49:47 PM »

The best testosterone "supplements" by far are: healthy diet, adequate sleep, and exercise.

Unfortunately we live in a society that often overlooks these in favor of supplements and drugs which have a whole host of unintended consequences.

"the four hour body" by tim ferris has some other good tips, but the three above are sufficient for most of us.
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2012, 12:05:09 AM »

I get plenty of sleep, exercise, and proper nutrition but that is not always enough.

If you're already doing all this and you've been tested and your testosterone is low, you can try supplements, which I did and they helped but only you and your doctor know if that is going to be enough. Your doctor may suggest testosterone replacement therapy and that may be the right thing for you to do.

As we know testosterone has a co-relation to Peyronie's so not getting your testosterone checked is simply stupid especially if you're in your 40's.

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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 12:15:37 AM »

It looks like you are doing the right things.   Are there any studies that show HRT can help improve healing ?  What if my Testosterone is "normal", but in the 300's, will it still work ?    I never looked into it due to prostate issues.
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2012, 03:19:24 AM »

Are there any studies that show HRT can help improve healing ?

Yes. I strongly urge you and everyone to read this article completely. It talks about HGH and testosterone and the importance of having appropriate levels of both for healing:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1501119/


What if my Testosterone is "normal", but in the 300's, will it still work ?

It depends on your age but if you look at this you'll see where you should be:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133301793&page=1

When my testosterone level was checked, it was at around 350 and I was 48 years old at the time when the blood work was done. That means I was in the 10th percentile!! That's horribly low especially when the median is 527. And I know my testosterone was even lower when the Peyronie's struck. This is why I harp on testosterone levels all the time here. If you're in your 40's or older, this should be a consideration.

I don't know what kind of prostate issues you have so this would have to be addressed in conjunction with any conversation regarding testosterone replacement therapy with your Urologist.

Lastly, the idea that testosterone replacement therapy can increase the risk of prostate cancer has been discredited and doctors are no longer making that ridiculous connection. Please check out:

http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20061114/testosterone-may-be-safe-for-prostate

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/dec2008_Destroying-the-Myth-about-Testosterone-Replacement-Prostate-Cancer_01.htm
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2012, 07:39:15 PM »

Thank you Matt, the next time I see my doctor, I will ask him what blood work he recommends.

Also do you have any opinion about taking HGH instead of Testosterone ?
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 10:38:32 PM »

Yes, I do. :)

I have a protocol for HGH that I plan to implement as my financial situation changes. I highly encourage investigating HGH if you are in your 30's and older. Even so, I would still look into testosterone replacement therapy.
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2012, 12:41:40 PM »

One question I heard when my low testosterone was first identified was my interest in maintaining the ability to have children.  If yes, then HGH was the primary treatment.  If not, then straight to testosterone cypionate.  My expectation is that HGH is considerably more expensive than test cyp.

I started with Testim topical gel, both 50 mg and 100 mg per day doses.  That helped, but also gave me man boobs.  I was on test cyp 200 mg/week for a while, and then I asked for 150 mg/week.  I felt less edge at 150.  Now I am on Testopel pellets; 14 every 3 months.  My last measurement was around 600.
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2012, 01:41:17 PM »

It's important that while you are taking testosterone that you have regular blood work to make sure that you are not seeing high estrogen levels. Any good doctor can help you maintain proper levels by doing that and prescribing something like Anastrozole and/or Clomid to keep estrogen levels low.

My health plan won't pay for the pellets so I'm using Axiron under my arms every day. So far, so good.

And, yes, while HGH can be expensive, it can also be quite affordable if you do your own research and purchase and self-inject. However, I highly recommend caution in pursuing this avenue. Proper blood work must be done including the following:

Testosterone Free
Testosterone Total
Thyroid Panels (T3, T4, TSH)
IGF-1
CMP Profile
Lipid Profile
CBC w/Diff profile
PSA
C-Reactive Protein

You can get a consultation from a doctor and get your doctor to design a protocol and then go the DIY route and not pay his ridiculous fees or buy the over-priced HGH from him.
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2012, 04:02:38 PM »

Is it safe to assume the HGH will not cause the excess estrogen problems ?
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2012, 05:04:45 PM »

It's always important to keep an eye on estrogen levels no matter what. You have to monitor your progress when adding HGH or testosterone to your body. That's why it's important to have a protocol designed specifically for you. If need be, you can always add anti-estrogen to your protocol as well.
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2013, 09:37:26 AM »

I only scanned this thread but to keep the discussion on track with both the Board it is under and the original question posed by the member who started the topic, testosterone is almost never the cause or the cure for Erectile Dysfunction.  While it may be a contributor to loss of libido it is no more than a distant secondary cause of Erectile Dysfunction which largely results from either interrupted nerve pathways or vascular issues.  These can cover many sub-issues like the uptake of N.O. or Peyronies Disease plaque preventing constriction of major veins that drain the blood from the penis.
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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2013, 02:04:22 PM »

Hawk, is that your opinion or are you citing a medical study? If a medical study, would you please post a link to it?

If you'll look below, I linked to a medical study which does indicate that testosterone has a play in Peyronie's. Additionally, I explained in my personal history that I had a marked and documented drop in my testosterone before the Peyronie's struck. There was no injury and the low-T was the only change in my life, with everything else being constant.

Also, my urologist was the one who told me that based on evidence he has seen, testosterone has an important role in keeping Peyronie's at bay and helping to heal it. So, I took his advice. He also recommended looking at growth hormones as well but that's going to be something out of pocket so I'm holding off until I can budget it.

At the same time, that doesn't mean that every Peyronie's case is caused by low-T. Not at all. Some are because of an injury.

In the meantime, I think it wise for anyone with the signs of Peyronie's or who has a current full on attack of it to very simply have blood work done looking at testosterone and the other items I listed below. Those results should be discussed with their doctor and a proper strategy should be considered. I think that this would be the prudent consideration.

Lastly, this all ties back to the original, which is that testosterone will help with a stronger erection and, making sure your T-levels are maximized is very important to achieving a rock hard erection.

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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2013, 04:52:18 PM »

MattFoley,

Read my post.  I am discussing Erectile Dysfunction since this is the Erectile Dysfunction Board.  I was not addressing testosterone and Peyronies Disease.  Again, I was addressing testosterone and Erectile Dysfunction.
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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2013, 05:41:19 PM »

Hi Hawk, thank you for the response.

I was actually addressing Erectile Dysfunction as a symptom of Peyronie's not as a stand alone medical issue. I have Erectile Dysfunction, as does the OP, that is a side effect of Peyronie's. The venous leakage to me is worse than the 75-80% bend that I have because I can still make my penis straight during sex but I can't do anything about the leakage since Cialis and Viagra are only partially helpful.

According to my urologist, the increased testosterone may help with the Peyronie's healing which will in turn hopefully assist in reversing the Erectile Dysfunction. At least, that's the medical theory and my prayer and hope.

I apologize if I wasn't clear on that.

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Re: Hard rock erection
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2013, 07:18:53 PM »

I don't have any big argument with that but the sequence is often the opposite for many.  Many experience some Erectile Dysfunction from various causes that then contributes to Peyronies Disease either through changes in tissue due to lack of oxygen (over simplification) or an outright bending injury.  Clearly we can say that any of the treatments that could reduce plaque could result in better erections IF the plaque happens to be the reason for Erectile Dysfunction.  Even then however, that is a long slow process.   

I think when someone ask on this particular board how to improve erections that they are generally addressing improving erections in the framework of where they are now.  This is apart from generally treating plaque which is what discussion on the other 95% of the forum is about.
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