Has anyone had permanent gains with the VED?

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TooYoungForThis

I'm considering getting the VED to restore some of my lost length and girth. I don't have a curve but the base of my penis is afflicted and is causing erections to hang low. I will try either this or traction, but some results or reviews from other users would be great, thanks!

Hawk

Either would work.  It is opinion which would work best.  The small traction study by Levine indicated improvement of hourglass deformity which is a girth restriction deformity.

I think your biggest consideration should be your ability and commitment to use traction 4 or more hours a day, or the VED a few times a day at 15min a session.

Another consideration is location of plaque.  If it extends to the part of the shaft at or within the body (or scrotum) the VED will not place any stretch on that area.
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pless

The small VED study by Raheem et al., 2010, found some improvement in lengths in 35% of patients "although there was no change in penile girth or improvement in the waist deformity in the [29% of] patients who presented with a waist deformity."  Their VED trial was 12 weeks; 10 minutes twice a day.  

Measuring girth is not so simple as measuring stretched length.  Girth measurement requires an erection, which probably should be chemically induced.  Raheem et al. (2010) doesn't describe how they measured girth.

Considered mechanically, VED therapy should make equal increases (if any) to length and girth while traction therapy should make greater increases (if any) to length over girth.  (Length/girth comparisons require uniform measurement methods.)

Hawk's "a few times a day" recommendation points up an important unknown in VED therapy: how many times a day?  (How should the 1,680 minutes inside the VED have been distributed over the 120,960 total minutes of the clinical trial?)  Hawk's "a few times a day" intuition deserves scientific study.
I confess I find the VED preparation and cleanup so onerous that I've sunk to one long session per day, which might be theraputically poor.




james1947

The Raheem et al VED small study was 12 weeks.
Our forum not scientific approach is 26 weeks protocol and starting again if no or small improvements and then again until results (or not). It can go up to 52, 78, 104 weeks.
Many of us had good results with this approach, but again is not a scientific approach or study.
Because of time limit, I am making also 30 minutes once a day early in the morning, I can't afford that my 3 years old daughter will watch the process.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

pless

Quote from: james1947 on October 25, 2012, 06:59:48 PM
I can't afford that my 3 years old daughter will watch the process.

Ditto my 61 yr old wife.

TooYoungForThis

Hawk the plaque constriction starts at the bottom half of the penis and goes a little bit into the body above the scrotum. If this is the case you don't think VED will help? The bad part of the scar is as the top of the scrotum I think. I can touch it through the loose foreskin.
Quote from: Hawk on October 25, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Either would work.  It is opinion which would work best.  The small traction study by Levine indicated improvement of hourglass deformity which is a girth restriction deformity.

I think your biggest consideration should be your ability and commitment to use traction 4 or more hours a day, or the VED a few times a day at 15min a session.

Another consideration is location of plaque.  If it extends to the part of the shaft at or within the body (or scrotum) the VED will not place any stretch on that area.

james1947

I am sure Hawk will answer you, I just want to talk about my case.
Both my plaques are going inside to my body. I am sure the VED is stretching the part that is outside, maybe because stretching the outside part, the inside part is stretched also as it is the same plaque.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

Hawk

Quote from: TooYoungForThis on October 26, 2012, 06:05:01 AM
Hawk the plaque constriction starts at the bottom half of the penis and goes a little bit into the body above the scrotum. If this is the case you don't think VED will help? The bad part of the scar is as the top of the scrotum I think. I can touch it through the loose foreskin.
I do not contend that "a VED will do you no good".  I simply say that the VED applies stretching to the tissue surrounded by vacuum.  If you have a VED that in which the base vacuums against the skin that is over the pubic bone, pulling the base into the flesh over pubic bone, you get the entire exposed shaft.  If you have some sort of rubber bushing that fills the base of the VED that means slightly less of the shaft is surrounded by vacuum and treated.  If a plaque extends from inside the body and up the exposed shaft, the part of that plaque that is outside of the body will have tension placed on it.

A traction unit pulls through and beyond the base of the unit, at least to some degree.

Again, keep in mind there is no study to verify the effects of either of these units on these specific plaques.  I am only applying what I believe to be sound principles of physics and geometry.

Since I use a large diameter single cylinder VED that presses against my pubic area for a seal, I use no lubricant.  At this point I am essentially straight but just trying to regain size. Because of this it makes the VED look much more appealing and needing less commitment. If however you have to clean up lube off of yourself and a VED 3 times a day, I am not sure.  I will say that if you do not get natural day or night erections, I think a VED is essential to penis health.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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TooYoungForThis

The one you use will benefit me you believe? I am ready to order a device but I am still torn as to what to get for my case. I want as much stretch on the base as possible.

Hawk

First let me help you with a forum posting issue.  To post just click on the "Reply" button at the top of the topic (not the top of the post).  Do NOT use the quote button.  Forum rules require that you only use "Quote" button when responding to a post several posts down in the thread and even then you do NOT quote the entire post, only the portion you are responding to.  Repeating entire posts clutters the forum,  makes reading the posts difficut, and uses resources.

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I hesitate to recommend a VED.  I like what I use (Vacurect) because it is unequaled when used for sex.  The base circumference is only 5 5/8" circumference how ever so if you are larger than that it will restrict you at the base.  For Peyronies Disease therapy it is a matter of trade offs unless you want to spring over $600 for a 3 cylinder model.  If you are strapped for cash, build your own.  It will cost about $100 and functionally be as good as any you can buy for therapy. There are plans on our site.  Do NOT get a battery operated one.  Get manual only.
I know nothing about this company but they carry a selection of single cylinder VEDs
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After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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Hawk

OldMan, thanks for the correct call on my obvious error.  Never hesitate to give me a heads up or disagree with my posts.  A cylinder that size would suck my whole rear end into the tube :)  I corrected my post.

You are also correct, I have never used Osborn/Agusta VED's.  I think I mentioned that the absence of a release valve as a draw back of the Vacurect for therapy.  Having said that, I find it not very much of one because I can release pressure easily and at will just by  partially breaking the seal with my skin which is very easy and controllable.  I especially find it to be NO issue at all when used for sex.  Also, I personally would hesitate to use any other VED for sex because I hate the concept of the constriction bands snapping off the barrel onto my penis.  I have watched the videos and that has the look of potential trauma to me. The Vacurect disc goes on the flaccid penis and fills the penis into the disc gradually with no trauma.  
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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james1947

The pump I am using is same as the pump of the woman breast milk extractor. Have a built in release button.
One hand usage, very comfortable.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

Hawk

I can actually put the vacurect on my penis, pump it up, and release the vacuum and never use more than one hand.  It is the most intimate, compact, discrete VED, you could ever use for sex.  You can pump up during foreplay while your other hand is busy elsewhere and even embracing or kissing.  It is a truly unique design and you just move your hand in a masturbation like motion to pump it.

It is interesting just to watch this video and see how different the design is.  I use it without the disc for therapy.
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Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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james1947

As I have problem using my VED for intercourse erection, I find the video very useful.
I will check if it is available here.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

TooYoungForThis

Sorry about the quoting thing. Okay well I purchased the manual single cylinder augusta for about 80 dollars. It's called the Vitality. Hopefully things will go swimmingly with it since I don't think there's a return policy at all.

I'll update on my progress. Thank you guys.

pless

I think this is the patent on which Hawk's vacurect pump was based: US6458073.  Very clever.  Do a Google Patent Search for "vacuum erectile devices" and you may be surprised by the dozens of designs and techniques.

ldhw

Well I have been pumping for only about a month now so I cant speak to permanent gains. I can  say that  my curve continues to decrease and is now nearly nonexistant and the dent over my dorsal plaque is becoming much less pronounced. When I first started pumping I only got a pumped length of 6 and a half inches which was my normal pre peronies "good" erection length. I now pump up to a touch over 7. Similarly girth which was 5 is now 5 and a half. To my mind more importantly my penis pumps up much faster than it did in the begining and has an overall fuller appearance and a healthier color, my glans now gets much more enlarged as well. I think the stretch and blood flow afforded by ved therapy is second to none and an absolute must for kicking this diseases ass!! To be fair I am one of the lucky ones that found this site and began treatment within 2 months of peronies symptoms presenting so perhaps my success is not typical. My natural morning wood is bigger and more solid than Ive seen in some time as a side note although it still has a "soreness" to it that indicates to me that my peronies is still very much in an active phase. I feel lthat the ved is allowing me to control the disease progression and stop it from robbing me of size. Whether or not I end up with a net size gain after the condition stabilizes remains to be seen.





james1947

ldhw

Very positive record regarding VED  :)
Your experience is an other proof that treating this disease in early stages is crucial.
I can compare it to my success, starting treatment 3 years after the disease start, one year on VED, gain of 1/2" and little bit girth :(

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

TooYoungForThis

That's great news guys. Mine should be here in a few days. Combined with my other treatments that have been giving me slight improvement it should top the cake.

ldhw

Any good news equals AWESOME NEWS when it comes to this disease.

Hawk

Quote from: james1947 on October 29, 2012, 03:26:26 PM

Your experience is an other proof that treating this disease in early stages is crucial.

Please excuse the nit picking but a more accurate statement is: our experience is an other proof evidence that treating this disease in early stages is crucial.

I am picky about interchanging these two words and we do it all the time.  James is better educated than me and speaks English as a 4th language so he deserves a break.  ;D
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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ldhw

Good point Hawk. Though results may be radicaly more dramatic in terms of rapid satisfaction if early treatment is employed I have also read (as in your case) of significant gains being made when the same treatment are used later then is "optimal". As a side I had a raging hard on today with a far more pronounced curve than I have seen lately. I am not discouraged but it shows that day to day  this disease will throw you curve balls.

ldhw

I was re-reading old posts and I came across this one. I thought an update to this thread a good idea. On the plus side over a year later my curve is nearly gone. The dorsal dent and underlying plaque (as well as my other smaller plaques) toward the head have also markedly improved. I have no pain and my penis looks and feels 98 percent normal. As to size I would have to say I have lost maybe a half an inch in length both pumped and naturally erect. However the VED has given me a bit more girth so perhaps its a wash. All in all I count myself lucky and highly recommend using the VED religiously.

emasculated

That's quite astonishing ldhw. I will start with the VED in 2 weeks when I finally can get a prescription. Of course individual results vary but your experience is really encouraging. I have pretty small plaques and yet already significant loss in only a short time of 6 months. I hope I can recover the half inch I lost.. of course I will be extremely careful.
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cowboyfood

I'm essentially like I was pre-condition and I started the VED protocol almost immediately after I observed symptoms and continued it for about 3 years!  It's a very conservative and gradual treatment, it's physical therapy. I hazard a guess it influenced my outcome, maybe significantly!  

I encourage everyone to use the VED! You can see my many earlier posts about it.  Just do it!
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