Just bought the quick extender pro for pyronies

[panther]

After much debate and looking around I ordered the quick extender pro that is made especially for pyronies. I also had orderd a ved (bath mate penis enlarger).  I told the urologist about this and he said I would not need the ved because that in combination with the traction would be to much.  I hope he is right.  It anyone has used traction and a ved let me know.  

[Hawk]

I use traction and a single clinder VED because I have total ED without drugs or a VED

I use traction 1 to 7 hours a day (avg. 3) I only use a ved for a quick pump up for a couple minutes between traction sessions to make sure I have good oxygen in the penis, especially the head which gets some blood flow cut off during traction. I probably would not do that if I could get natural erections a couple times a day.

[panther]

I understand. As of right now I can still get a good erection.  Hopefully the traction will add some lenght and girth that I have lost.

[Hawk]

I am confident you will regain some size, especially if you can manage more than 3 hours per day.  I am very interested in your experience startng into traction so keep us posted.  Also, be patient for the first couple weeks.  Light tension, only a few hours a day at the most, take a day off if your skin gets tender where the noose or strap confines you.  If your shaft gets tender you are using too much tension.

[panther]

After further research into the bathmate pump I am going to keep it and give it a try like every other day. I really don't see how it could hurt since warm water is used.  Hopefully this will help the circulation also.  

[skunkworks]

Also never wear the traction device if you are somewhere you might fall asleep. That is probably the biggest danger, falling asleep with it on.

[panther]

Dr. Hellstrom said I should wear it 2 hours a day.  So hopefully that will be when I get home from work.  I hope I don't fall asleep in my chair.  

[Hawk]

Also never wear the traction device if you are somewhere you might fall asleep. That is probably the biggest danger, falling asleep with it on.

I have to tell you that I wear my extender to bed every single night.  Even though I have a reputation of being able to sleep through an apocalypse I ALWAYS wake up almost exactly on the hour after I go to sleep and take it off without waking entirely up.  Over 3 months of doing this and twice I went for 90 minutes before a awoke enough to remove it.

It is like a mother be awaken by the sound of her baby.  Subconsciously you are very aware.  Now that I don't have 5 Am duties I also wake early, put it back on and lay in bed for another hour either dozing or using the iPad.  That gives me 2 of my 4 hours under ideal wearing conditions.

I cannot imagine why you would not want to fall asleep in your chair.  If your penis starts to feel any discomfort, you will wake up.

[panther]

They say you can wear it during the day.  I would be afraid that the thing would come off and come out my pants leg.  Man, that would be embarrassing.

[skunkworks]

Also never wear the traction device if you are somewhere you might fall asleep. That is probably the biggest danger, falling asleep with it on.

I have to tell you that I wear my extender to bed every single night.  Even though I have a reputation of being able to sleep through an apocalypse I ALWAYS wake up almost exactly on the hour after I go to sleep and take it off without waking entirely up.  Over 3 months of doing this and twice I went for 90 minutes before a awoke enough to remove it.

It is like a mother be awaken by the sound of her baby.  Subconsciously you are very aware.  Now that I don't have 5 Am duties I also wake early, put it back on and lay in bed for another hour either dozing or using the iPad.  That gives me 2 of my 4 hours under ideal wearing conditions.

I cannot imagine why you would not want to fall asleep in our chair.  If your penis starts to feel any discomfort, you will wake up.

That is seriously bad advice with regards to using a traction device with the noose. I know of 3 people on another forum who did fall asleep and caused themselves damage.

The circulation being cut off does not cause discomfort, just like when you stand up and your foot has fallen asleep, you have no idea until you try to stand on it.

Just a few hours of the circulation being cut off can cause nerve damage. With more time necrosis becomes a danger. We're here to heal damage, not cause it.

[Hawk]

Skunkworks, I respect your opinion and invite the discussion, but I simply differ.  First off I am skeptical that anyone in non-drug induced sleep is not intimately conscious of danger to, and feeling in their penis even during sleep.  Second, who falls asleep in a chair for more than 3 hours?  Finally, how difficult is it to set a timer or alarm as a backup safeguard if you have doubts?  If we pay hundreds for traction we can buy a good timer for very cheap. Oh, one more finally.  I totally disagree that a man's penis does not feel very uncomfortable in a noose after two hours.  I personally cannot wait to get it off and typically go 1hour on followed by 30 minutes off.  Even after an hour I am ready to remove it.  As I said, I am a notoriously heavy sleeper.  I am awakened within 60 minutes of falling asleep and have made it to 90minutes only twice in months.

Is there any slight chance of sleeping 4hours? Yes.  If you sleep 4 hours is there some chance of significant injury? Yes.  But that can be argued about traction in general, driving a car, or getting VI.  We go to sleep leaving ourselves vulnerable to many things from burning to death to a new born choking to death without us hearing it.  Our subconscious usually serves us well so we assess the risk to reward and decide.

I decide to get a free hour of traction every night, a free our on many mornings, and sometimes a free hour in the recliner after lunch.

[Hawk]

They say you can wear it during the day.  I would be afraid that the thing would come off and come out my pants leg.  Man, that would be embarrassing.

Panther,
I think it is Very unlikely to happen but we have already discussed ways to reduce the possibility of extender embarrassment.  If you want to prepare for such events read

The "X4 Labs" maker of the X4 extender / traction device offers an odd service free of charge.  You can have your extender custom engraved with your name  

Hawk

[skunkworks]

Skunkworks, I respect your opinion and invite the discussion, but I simply differ.

The problem with that is you are experienced in the use of it now, and know how you will react. I am too, I know that I could fall asleep with it on quite easily and if the circulation was cut off, it would cause me nerve damage. Cut circulation off for long enough, we're then talking about tissue necrosis.

A beginner does not know how they will react, if they would wake up or not. As was stated earlier, if the circulation is cut off, there is no discomfort. ie/ you do not know your foot is asleep until you stand up.

The only sensible advice to give a beginner is to use it in situations where there is no chance of them falling asleep. The chance of serious injury far outweighs gaining an extra hour of traction here and there.

[Hawk]

No one ever knows how they will respond I guess until they do it.  lets take this one step at a time.

Question 1. Tell me what is wrong with setting a timer or having a spouse wake you up in your bed or recliner.  If the traction does not wake you up the timer does.  Where is the problem.  I am totally confused.  We base very serious components of our lives upon the very concept that we can wake up when we have to.  I think this is no different.  

There is some risk in every facet of life.  40,000 people die in cars in the US every year but we happily drive down the street every day even though we all personally know someone that died in a car.  When we die we're then talking about tissue necrosis.

Question 2. Finally, I have a somewhat related but independent question.  Do you feel discomfort if you wear traction for 2 hours?  If you tell me no, then I am going to seriously doubt if you are applying any real tension or if you have discovered some secret I will pay big money for.  I am sincere because I feel significant discomfort after 60 to 90 minutes.  It is nothing like a foot going to sleep.

[skunkworks]

1. Using a timer would be fine I should think, but still adds risk. If you sleep through your alarm or set it wrong, you're late for work. In this case you run the risk of nerve damage.

2. I use 1200-1500gm of tension always, I have tested this. Discomfort varies. I use the noose, usually discomfort makes me take it off, but sometimes I take it off because the head has gone numb. There are lots of variables.

For instance, on a cold day, there is less blood in the penis, meaning the glans is smaller so there is less of a 'ledge' for the noose to grip against. On these days the noose needs to be tighter to hold, and finding the balance between gripping without slipping at 1500gm and also keeping things circulating becomes difficult. The difference in tension in the noose between grip+circulation and grip+numb is often so slight that it is impossible to tell if the head is going to go numb until it does, or doesn't.

Someone new cinches up the noose, it goes numb before it gets painful, recipe for disaster if one is not awake and checking the colour and sensitivity of the glans regularly.  

So my question to you is, how is minimizing risk a bad idea? Driving while exhausted could mean you end up dead, so doing so is not a good idea. Traction in a situation where you could fall asleep could end in nerve damage for your penis, so that is also not a good idea. For me the risk (penis damage) outweighs the possible benefit (extra traction hours). We already know we have healing issues in that area.

[Hawk]

Well I think there is just such a  thing as a point of diminishing returns, where worry and caution far exceed risk and benefit.  One could easily argue that you should not wear traction to work because you need to be "checking the color and sensitivity of the glans regularly".  Maybe you should keep traction under 1100 grams so you wll not have to cinch as tight.  Maybe you should only stand since sitting, moving, and bending, all tug at your penis with more tension and that has to somewhat increase risk. Certainly you can never drink alcohol for hours prior to traction.

My point is all I see is theory that a sober person, putting traction on will sleep for hours, and damage will result to the head of their penis.  Add a timer and the risk is miniscule just like the risks I posted in the first paragraph.  I am sure someone somewhere has made such a claim because I run a forum and I know some of the things people claim here and this is a tame responsible forum compared to most.  I personally don't buy it.  Certainly no one in the 6 years of this forum's history has ever experienced temporary nerve damage much-less any type of permanent damage.   IF it ever even happened it was someone under the influence of drugs or alcohol.  

I have to admit that I question that permanent damage would be done to the glands even with several hours of traction.  While circulation is restricted it is not totally cut off and just because a body part gets numb or goes to sleep, even for hours, does not cause temporary much less permanent damage.  I have to conclude that anyone that believes this should consider traction in general to be dangerous and they should take the real safe course and not consider traction at all.  Maybe they could go with a VED. Of course that has its own set of issues.

I think we just have to agree that we found an issue where we disagree and leave it to others to weigh the evidence and decide for themselves.

[MikeSmith0]

hawk - can u tell us about any gains in erect length and/or girth?  which device are u using and for how long?  

i havent had good results with traction...bought fast size a few years ago and i can maybe get 1/4" after 3 months but it goes away if i stop for 2 weeks.

strangely it increases my nighttime erections and even my sex drive...which is odd but true.

[Hawk]

Mike,   I have been traveling visiting family and missed your post.

I have an X4Labs extender.  I recently bought higher resistance springs from the company for reasonably cheap.  I have been very sporadic but I have used it for 2 months straight a few times and have found I got an accurate gain of 5/8".  I just stopped for 4 weeks (due to travel etc) and lost no more than 1/8".

I also think I have gained gith of about 3/8 " but that measurement is less accurate since I cannot get natural erections outside of a VED cylinder without Levitra and l-arginine and when I use these I have other things on my mind that measuring my penis.

I clearly get best results when using 4 to 5 hours a day broken into 1 hour segments with 1 hour or more break in between.  I like to use it first thing in the morning and last thing at night because I theorize that long breaks of over 10 hous MAY interrupt the process but this is pure speculation on my part.

I too find it impacts my NTE's and my sex drive.  I find this very difficult to explain except that spending this much time thinking about my penis must make me horney