VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[Old Man]

olddog:

Sorry you are having problems with the three cylinder VED. However, it is easy to assemble. You place the large o ring on the pump behind the tabs that stick out from the base,etc. You then take the A small cylinder, place inside the B medium cylinder and then place both inside the C large cylinder. Place the small sizing insert inside the large one and push them into the large open end of the assembled cylinders. Mate up this assy. to the pump by making sure the tabs on the cylinder ends match the tabs on the pump, twist the cylinders clockwise onto the pump and it is assembled. Do not over tighten this which could cause the o ring to be damaged - just tight enough to keep a good tight seal when pumping.

After using the 26 week protocol for the first two weeks, you simply leave out the A small cylinder and so on down the protocol until you reach the large cylinder therapy schedule.

If you have further questions, give me a private message and I will help further.

Old Man

[Old Man]

olddog:

You can also assemble the cylinders another way if it would be easier for you. After placing the o ring on the pump, place the large C cylinder onto the pump first. Then mate the A inside the B and slide them into the C that is already onto the pump. Then you can mate the small sizing insert inside the large and push them into the mouth of the large C cylinder.

Another caution note: Be sure that you use plenty of lubricant on your shaft and plenty of lube well up into the small cylinder during the first two weeks of the protocol schedule. Then thereafter use plenty as necessary to cause a good slippery surface on your shaft and inside the cylinders. When using the A small cylinder you want the shaft to be able to be easily pulled up as far as possible into the cylinder without causing any irritation, pain or discomfort. If you experience any of this, you are doing something wrong and should stop pumping until you find out the cause, etc. Special note about lubricant: After you use up the tube of lube that came with the package, you can purchase any good brand of personal lubricant from any local drug store. I use the Equate brand of personal lubricant from Walmart which costs around $2.00 per tube.

Again, give me a private message at any time if you need to. VED therapy should not cause any pain or discomfort to you, so be careful with the vacuum pressure. VED therapy is a case where less is better than more pressure. A consistent daily routine of VED therapy is much better. So, follow the schedule to the letter if at all possible.

Old Man.

[bodoo2u]

Fellas, I'm back after a long absence. I resolved the issue of my leaking VED by buying clear sealer that is suitable for kitchen counters, and other surfaces that will hold food. The water was leaking in the area where the top attaches to the tube. I noticed it leaking when I put water in the tube to clean it

Now I have another issue, albeit a physical one, and don't laugh at me: is it possible for continuous use of the smallest tube to somehow make my penis smaller in diameter? I can be smaller or larger in girth, depending on the stiffness of my erection, but I noticed my penis was more compact  after a VED session with the smallest tube.

Can anyone help me out on this?

[cowboyfood]

bd2,

The negative pressure in the "b" and "c" tube expand your girth significantly more than the "a" tube.  The protocol starts out with an emphasis on the "a" and "b" tubes, and finishes with an emphasis on the "c" tube.  So, I doubt that what you proposed is a concern.

CF

[Iceman]

anyone - or even oldman - what do you think of this - I found it on a website::

Besides the serious injury that men develop while doing mechanical penis stretching, an even larger basic problem is that these penis enlargement devices can only stretch normal tissue, not scar tissue. Allow me to explain: In Peyronies Disease, the internal Peyronies Disease scar material is connected to and contained within normal tissue inside the penis, similar to having a scab on the skin – but on the inside.

If you stretch skin that has a scab on it, would the scab stretch also because the skin was stretched? No, of course not. The normal skin would stretch, while the scab would remain unchanged. The same thing happens if you try to stretch the Peyronies Disease scar forcefully with a mechanical device.

[Tim468]

Iceman, this makes for a good fireside conversation, but it seems to be an insolvable problem or question.

If penis enlargement works (and it may for some), it works by stretching out normal tissue. If we achieve lengthening on our short side by a pongitudinal stretch, it may well happen due to differential stretching of the normal tissue and not a stretching out of the scarred tissue at all. The normal tissue on the short side would still be subject to a greater stretching force because it will be tethered short by the scar.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter if the penis is straighter and functional. However, anecdotal evidence here of "thinner" plaques, or "dissolving" scar tissue suggests that at least some of the stretching force IS applied to the scar and that it has an effect.

Tim

[Old Man]

Iceman:

There really are no formal studies that I know of anywhere that state the actual results of VED therapy. About all we have to rely on is the experiences of men who have used them and come back on the forum to report their success or failure from the therapy.

Just hope that guys using the VED therapy would realize that their posting either negative or positive about their therapy experience would help others with their decision to use or not to use the VED. We see guys come on the forum, get the help they want and then just disappear as fast as they came on, etc. We need all the experience the forum can get on whatever therapy a person uses, so guys, please post your results.

Now to answer your question about injury to ones penis from using any mechanical device for stretching or exercise: No matter what one is using for their therapy, caution in the amount of vacuum pressure, spring pressure on the traction devices or if they are using physical hand therapy (this can work in some cases if used in moderation) must be used to obtain good results. Overdoing any exercise on ones penis can and will result in further trauma, so be careful in what you do with any therapy for Peyronies Disease.

You are right about the scab example in that it won't stretch, but will probably release itself from the good tissue and maybe cause further damage. However, plaque on the tunica is simply just a part of the tunica and is really not like a scab on an injury elsewhere on the body. Gentle stretching of the tunica and plaque is about the only way to go with exercise for Peyronies Disease. Again, overstretching it most likely result in further trauma.

Therapy for Peyronies Disease is the real question of the century. Since all cases of Peyronies Disease are different is some way, one set rule of thumb for therapy can not be established. What works for one guy may or may not work the next guy. One just has to keep trying whatever they can to see what works for them. I strongly urge all to just try one treatment at a time to establish if it works. Trying more than one at a time will not establish which worked due to the duplication, etc.

Hope the above helps. Let me know if there is any other questions you have.

Old Man

[parajack]

After practicing for a week or so, I'm in my first week of the 26 week protocol, and had a question.  Using cylinder A, I'm having difficulty getting my penis far enough in to make the system work, and it seems like this is not being very effective.  I don't consider myself 'large', but I clearly am not able to get the cylinder anywhere near the base which kind of renders the exercise ineffective.  If I use the B cyclinder, it seems to work quite well, and I can actually feel pressure on the tunica when reasonable pressure is applied.  Should I just sub the B for A weeks, or should I work harder at making the A cylinder work?

Also, as an observation, it seems as though once I've done the VED 'workout', I might actually be able to have a go at intercourse again, as it seems as though things are 'limbered up' enough to where the pain level may be low enough to have at it....  Despite starting the PAV cocktail, without the V early on in the acute stages, I seem to have progressed fairly rapidly, and now have an upward bend of the upper third of 20 deg or so with a hard erection.  My uro mentioned at my last visit that he didn't think an ultrasound would show anything as he thought the condition of the tunica was not calcified or scarred enough to show up....  It will be interesting to see what his opinion is at my next visit in early Jan....

Jack

[cowboyfood]

parajack,

The VED's "A" tube frustrated me too.  But, Old Man has always encouraged its use despite the tube's constraints.  However, I believe use of the A tube has its benefit, despite the fact that it does not engorged the penis to the size of a natural erection in some cases, like myself.

The way Old Man explained it to me, and from what I could tell myself, the "A" tube is stretching the penis lengthwise in a way no natural erection can stretch the penis.

I completed my first protocol several weeks ago, and I am now into my second protocol.  I found that after a lot of practice (months), I was able to use the "A" tube more effectively than I did in the beginning.  

Never overpump, and just pump until you know its time to stop even though your penis' engorged state is not as large as your natural erection state.  I think you should feel free to use the "B" a few times in place of the "A" tube in order to help you out psychologically.  I know I did this several times.  But, generally, you should follow the protocol to the "letter" (but, some substitutions are fine every now and then, IMO).  

I think it took me about a month to officially start the protocol, after discounting practice and starting and restarting to get it right.

CF

[Old Man]

parajack:

I had written you an answer to your post, but in the meantime, CBF jumped in and answered your question. He has been through the "training period so to speak" with the protocol and knows the ropes now.

Follow his advice and you should soon see your desired results. Patience in getting used to vacuum therapy is really not a piece of cake = it takes dedication and perseverance to learn how to properly do the exercises. So, take your time, use the proper procedure using plenty of lube especially when using the small A cylinder.

The A cylinder as CBF states is one of the most important steps in the VED therapy. It sort of trains ones penis to be pulled lengthwise as much as possible to exert the most stretching as possible in that direction. The B and C cylinders allows the penis to be stretched lengthwise and in girth.

Hopefully his post and this one will help you get started on the right path. Let us know if there is anything else we can help with for you.

Old Man

[parajack]

Thanks CBF and Old Man...  I get what you're saying and I'll stick with the A cylinder.  On another front, I'm now the proud owner of my first Viagra prescription.  Is their a good thread to read up on the best way to use the V in my treatment?  My wife saw the bottle and I caught her eyes lighting up even though she tried to hide it...
Jack

[Old Man]

Jack:

You should get an answer from the guys that are using Viagra in the mix with the VED treatment. It did nothing for me since I had a radical prostatectomy way back in 1995. It left me totally out of the picture sexually due to a non nerve sparing surgery. Today, with the robotic surgery, nerves are more likely to be spared, but then they were mostly removed to get all the cancer.

I am sure that you will be getting all kinds of recommendations about using Viagra though. For those who it works for are really enjoying their newfound source of sexual activity. However, one should follow the prescribed dosages and not use more than is necessary to produce the desired results.

The above is just my take on using any ED pills. All three of them can and will produce good results, they all just have different side effects.

Old Man

[cowboyfood]

Is their a good thread to read up on the best way to use the V in my treatment?  

Yep, read the "oral treatments" thread, or just search w/ keyword "viagra", and I suggest an advanced search that specifies a member name, in particular Tim468, Hawk, or George999.

I started using 25 mg (a 100 mg pill cut into four pieces using a pill cutter bought from CVS) each night right before going to bed.

Now, I am using 25mg Viagra every other night.

Any further discussions on Viagra should be moved to the oral treatments board.

CF

[Bart2]

Hello Everyone,

I would like to start off by stating that I have been posting in various threads about my condition. To get this thread up to speed with my course of action; my uro prescribed pentox, L-arg, and a VED...for which I am supposed to go in for "training" on how to use it at the beginning of the new year (Also when I am supposed to purchase it). I also bought balanced vitamin E. Based on these posts, I will be hesistant to buy a VED from the uro unless it is a 3 cylinder model, and I will likely resort to purchasing that Vitality Plus 3 cylinder model anyways.

One of the major things I wanted to ask, which I will post a duplicate of in the traction device forum, is whether anyone has ever considered attempting a treatment regiment consisting of concomitant use of a VED with a traction device? Reading the previous posts, everyone seems to suggest that less is more and that one needs to be careful with how much stress one puts on their member, and that duplicating treatments at the same time may not tell you which one is actually providing results, but if one approaches such a "double" regimen conservatively could it not be beneficial? I am 23, I have a downwards curve of about 60-70 degrees and a leftwards curve of about 15-20 degrees. The troubling part for me is that I cannot really feel a plaque, and neither could the uro, so unless the plaque is internally located then I may have a congenital curvature (And honestly I am no expert but it almost does look like the left corpora is bending the whole penis because it is possibly shorter). So in my case, a traction device would seem more of a plausible treatment approach, but with the uro's suggestion and many positive results on this forum, I have been considering the VED as well. That's why I am wondering, if I am to invest a lot of time (And money) into trying to treat this, then I really want to approach things fairly aggressively, and when I say aggressive not to the point where I cause trauma myself. There is almost that depressing belief that if nothing has changed after 6 months, then not only has time and money been wasted, but where has it lead one to? Although I am not afraid of surgery, I do not want 6 months of using one treatment as an almost deciding factor on whether I go for surgery or not.

What are peoples' opinions of this combinatorial approach? Although there are seemingly no studies detailing the effectiveness of either physical therapy, except maybe those FastSize studies and quite possibly some SizeGenetics studies in Europe, can people provide an objective, rather than biased subjective opinion? Being a VED thread, I would hope people do not jump to the conclusion of preferring one treatment over the other. Thanks a lot guys,

Bart    

[olddog]

Folks ...

Can't prove it to 100%, but after purchasing a (very satisfactory and high quality) Augusta Medical VED from Fitzz I've received a very large increase in erectile-dysfunction-related email spam.  There's a good chance they sell their customer lists.

The easy way to defeat this is to get an throw-away email from Google or Hotmail for the purchase period or for similar junkmail uses.

OD

[Old Man]

olddog:

I have asked the Fitzz company about them selling their mailing lists where the customer shows their email addresses when placing an order.

Their answer from their president is that they never do that, but have had this happen in the past. Seems like some hacker tapped into their resources and "stole" the addresses, etc. This may have happened again. So, you might want to report this to the Fitzz company by email or phone.

Old Man

[cowboyfood]

All,

I thought I'd pass along some observations I made during the first six months of VED usage with regards to the A tube because some members/guests may experience some difficulty using this tube because of its narrow diameter.

First, make sure you have sufficient lubrication.  

Second, press the pressure release button while you place your penis inside the VED.

Finally, (and best practice for good stretches IMO), do not remove the VED from your penis after finishing a "cycle."  In other words, start with your first cycle; when you're done pumping and holding for that cycle, release the negative pressure but do not remove the VED from your penis; let your penis relax in the VED for a bit, then proceed with the second cycle.

I hope this is understandable.  I noticed when I removed the VED after a cycle, my penis would only get stretched about three-fourths of the way.  But, when I do not remove the VED, I can usually get great stretches.

Any additional observations from others would be appreciated.

CF

[Tim468]

Good advice CBF.

Standing to get started and then lying down later helps too. Starting while in bed can make it harder to get it started as well.

Tim

[skunkworks]

CBF - Have you seen any results after using the VED for six months?

[cowboyfood]

skunkworks,

From what I could tell, I had about a 25 degree upward bend beginning around the last third of my penis...this presented just about a year ago.  Also, an indentation on the right side about an inch below the glans.  I did not have much if any of a left, right or downward bend, only the upward bend.  I started the VED the end of the following  April.  

The following are my observations.  My upward bend is basically gone.  I do not notice it visually, and the photos I took indicate it is pretty much gone.  

The indentation progressed to the left side from the first of the year until about July.  It's kind of an hourglass, but when I'm fully erect, it's barely noticeable on the left side, and somewhat noticeable on the right side; so, the dent is noticeable when I'm getting erect, and not that apparent when I'm fully erect.  

Erections began improving towards the end of last May, and continued to improve to this very day.  In fact, they are probably better than when I noticed this condition last December.  Nocturnal erections are almost nightly; and, I don't think they were nearly that frequent pre-condition.  My erections can occur without any manual stimulation during the daytime.

My treatment has been the VED protocol, adding pentox and viagra last May, and daily intake of L-arginine and ALC...I added D3 and niacin during the summer.

I'd like to post some photos on the web for others on the forum to see.

So, my indentation remains, but is not that visually noticeable.  The upward bend is much less, if not eliminated, and erections are better.  

Speaking of the VED, I'm off to do an "A" tube session.

CF

[Iceman]

CBF - great news - sounds like its working for you.....also it would be good to see some pics of improvement so i can compare

[need_help]

Hi guys. I have recently (past few weeks) been trying to use a VED to treat my peyronies disease and ED. However, I have been having a lot of trouble getting an erection with the VED - I can only get one if I have a lot of visual/mental stimulation, otherwise it barely works. Impossible for me to get an erection 10 times (one for each cycle of the treatment protocol) even with the visual/mental stimulation

I have read through this forum and tried all the tips recommended - I have trimmed my public hair, I apply a lot of lube but still not much luck although the vacuum is definately tight.  I am wondering if I am doing something really wrong because apparently it should work without any visual/mental stimulation. Or is my peyronies/ED too severe (seems unlikely?).

Bit of background about me - I am 34 years old and believe the peyronies started about 10 years ago but it wasnt diagnosed till about 7 years ago. ED slowly progressed but has been a real problem since about 3-4 years ago. Probably have lost about 1 inch in length, and some girth too. Am in the early stage of a relationship with a girl that means a lot to me - the first "proper" girlfriend since the peyronies started. I was hoping that the intimacy of a proper relationship would help things to work out, but so far erections havent been great, and dont sustain although we havent tried to have full intercourse yet. Hoping that the VED will provide some improvement and I think it is - but would like to use it more effectively.

[skunkworks]

I am slowly getting used to the A cylinder, but am still somewhat skeptical that it is a good idea to be putting 2" wide penis into a 1.5" wide tube.

[jackp]

needs help

Are you breaking the seal between cycles? Could be a leak in the cylinder or at the attachment.

Which VED are you using.

Jackp

[need_help]

Hey jackp.

I do keep the seal between cycles as people have suggested, just release the pressure. I am using the 3 cyclinder soma model, I think its the soma "correct" ? I prefer to do the excercises when sitting on the edge of my sofa - it doesnt work well if I'm standing up. And I do the 5 pumps then wait 5-10 seconds technique, but this doesn't seem to work unless I'm visually stimulated. Maybe I should pump for longer but after a while it doesn't feel like its adding anything to my erection, or lack of it. How long do you normally pump for?

Tried the pump on my abdomen as a test and it definately pulls that fine, and doesn't appear to leak.

[LWillisjr]

need_help....

PM Old Man...   he is the expert on the forum for VEDs.  My understanding is that you should not need any stimulation for an erection. If the seal is tight and the vaccum correct, then blood should flow into the penis and casue an erection as a result of the vacuum. I've not used a VED however, and is why I encourage you to contact Old_Man

[jackp]

need help

You need to PM Old Man. I have not used a VED in almost 14 months since I had my implant, and I used a different model.  

Old Man is the expert.

Jackp  

[skunkworks]

Wow, seems I've gained back almost a full centimeter!!

Whether it is because of better quality erections or from stretching via VED and traction, is impossible to tell. But it is quite heartening to see.

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

You did not say in your post below, but did you get my PM about some tips on using the VED properly? Let us know so the forum can be told what helped for you.

Patience with using any model VED for Peyronies Disease and ED is of the utmost importance. You simply cannot hurry the procedure or else you can and will cause further trauma. In addition, you will not get the desired results with improper use as you already know from your experience.

So, let us have your take on how things are going for you now with the VED protocol.

Old Man

[Old Man]

NOTE TO ALL:

I AM USING CAPS FOR THIS POST TO DRAW MORE ATTENTION TO IT.

I HAVE JUST BEEN INFORMED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE FITZZ COMPANY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED TO RAISE THE PRICES OF THE VITALITY PLUS THREE CYLINDER MANUAL MODEL VED WHICH IS LISTED AS SKU AM1000P ON THEIR WEB SITE.

THE CURRENT PRICE OF THAT MODEL VED IS NOW $254.00 AFTER RECEIVING A $75.00 DISCOUNT FROM THE LIST OF $329.00. THIS PRICE WILL BE GOOD UNTIL JANUARY 31, 2010. ON FEBRUARY 1, 2010, THE PRICE WILL BE $279.00 AFTER A $50.00 DISCOUNT FROM THE LIST PRICE OF $329.OO.

THESE DISCOUNTS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO FORUM MEMBERS BY MENTIONING THE COUPON CODE OF ''PFORUM'' AT THE TIME OF PLACING THE ORDER. SO, MAKE SURE THIS CODE IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AT THE PLACEMENT OF ORDERS FOR THE ABOVE VED OR ANY OTHER PRODUCTS FROM THIS COMPANY. PRESIDENT MARK OSENGA OF THE FITZZ COMPANY REGRETS THIS PRICE INCREASE IS NECESSARY, BUT THE MANUFACTURER HAS RAISED THIER PRICE SO HE HAS TO INCREASE HIS ACCORDINGLY.

SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE THIS PLACES ON ANY FORUM MEMBER. THIS POST CARRIES MY USUAL DISCLAIMER THAT I DO NOT RECEIVE ANY COMPENSATION OR MONETARY CONSIDERATION FROM THE FITZZ COMPANY IN ANY REGARD. I ONLY WORK WITH THE COMPANY AS LIASION TO ASSIST MEMBERS WITH ORDERS AND ANY PROBLEMS THAT MAY ARISE.

Old Man

[Bart2]

Hey guys,

Old Man, are they having any Christmas sales at Fitzz haha joking.

I want to apologize for my convulted post last time unless people took time to read it no one would know what I wanted to ask from it.

All I wanted to ask is whether people have ever considered, or know of someone on this forum that actually has used the VED and traction devices in combination? Also, what are more experienced members opinions' on such a treatment protocol? This is something I am considering and something that has been brought up before me so I was hoping to get any advice/opinion on it.

Many thanks,

Bart

[Bart2]

I wanted to mention that I can see that additional stress could be harmful on the penis, so of course the regimen would have to be conservative. Of course time is a big factor too, especially for the traction device.

[Angus]

  I don't remember anyone here actually using traction and a VED system at the same time, but there are some who used one then the other. I had success with the VED so if any personal bias shows through it's because I have no experience with a traction device. I know there are those who have used traction without injury and there are many who have used a VED without injury, so it would seem that the two techniques could be used during the same time period. All warnings posted about VED use (conservative pumping, no pain, etc.) should be applied in spirit to traction as well I would think as both are a type of physical therapy that absolutely needs to be done with no pain or extreme pumps (VED) or settings (traction). If you get no replies from any who have used these two things at the same time and you decide to move forward with this, remember that when we say "less is more" we're referring to resisting the temptation to pump up an extreme erection or set a traction device with an extreme pull thinking that this would hasten penile rehabilitation. As in any type of rehab, there is no magic, quick bullet in the VED or I would think a traction device; the VED takes time and dedication to see improvement and I would think the same applies to a traction device. The risk of injury with these things is heightened by any extreme settings or pumping, so your thought of conservatism is good. Just go easy and stop if you start to have pain and re-evaluate the settings and what you are doing. Stop and ask questions here if you feel discomfort with the therapies before moving on.  

[skunkworks]

skunkworks:

You did not say in your post below, but did you get my PM about some tips on using the VED properly? Let us know so the forum can be told what helped for you.

Patience with using any model VED for Peyronies Disease and ED is of the utmost importance. You simply cannot hurry the procedure or else you can and will cause further trauma. In addition, you will not get the desired results with improper use as you already know from your experience.

So, let us have your take on how things are going for you now with the VED protocol.

Old Man

I hadn't actually noticed the PM. What I am doing with the A cylinder is only using it on days when I am pretty sure I won't get an erection during my VED session. If I feel like I will get hard, I use the B cylinder. It seems to be working out pretty well, but I am only doing it because having an erection while in the A tube was quite uncomfortable given it was 1.5' wide and I am 2' wide. The one thing I do like about the A cylinder is that it forces a lot of blood into the head of the penis.

I am taking it easy with the pressure, and no longer have the issue of no nocturnal erections after using the VED. In fact it is quite the opposite, erection quality is through the roof.

Bart15 - I use VED and traction. I work from home so using it is no issue, and I tend to use it two hours a day. No idea if it is helping or not but it definitely isn't hindering.

[Fred22]

NOTE TO ALL:

I AM USING CAPS FOR THIS POST TO DRAW MORE ATTENTION TO IT.

I HAVE JUST BEEN INFORMED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE FITZZ COMPANY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED TO RAISE THE PRICES OF THE VITALITY PLUS THREE CYLINDER MANUAL MODEL VED WHICH IS LISTED AS SKU AM1000P ON THEIR WEB SITE.

THE CURRENT PRICE OF THAT MODEL VED IS NOW $254.00 AFTER RECEIVING A $75.00 DISCOUNT FROM THE LIST OF $329.00. THIS PRICE WILL BE GOOD UNTIL JANUARY 31, 2010. ON FEBRUARY 1, 2010, THE PRICE WILL BE $279.00 AFTER A $50.00 DISCOUNT FROM THE LIST PRICE OF $329.OO.

THESE DISCOUNTS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO FORUM MEMBERS BY MENTIONING THE COUPON CODE OF ''PFORUM'' AT THE TIME OF PLACING THE ORDER. SO, MAKE SURE THIS CODE IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AT THE PLACEMENT OF ORDERS FOR THE ABOVE VED OR ANY OTHER PRODUCTS FROM THIS COMPANY. PRESIDENT MARK OSENGA OF THE FITZZ COMPANY REGRETS THIS PRICE INCREASE IS NECESSARY, BUT THE MANUFACTURER HAS RAISED THIER PRICE SO HE HAS TO INCREASE HIS ACCORDINGLY.

SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE THIS PLACES ON ANY FORUM MEMBER. THIS POST CARRIES MY USUAL DISCLAIMER THAT I DO NOT RECEIVE ANY COMPENSATION OR MONETARY CONSIDERATION FROM THE FITZZ COMPANY IN ANY REGARD. I ONLY WORK WITH THE COMPANY AS LIASION TO ASSIST MEMBERS WITH ORDERS AND ANY PROBLEMS THAT MAY ARISE.

Old Man

So you don't use the "team" code anymore for discount?  Instead enter "pforum" instead do you use both codes?

[Old Man]

skw:

You should look up my PM to you which is quite lengthy. I went into a good bit of detail with a procedure that should help your situation much better.

I really do not recommend the procedure you are now using which does not follow the prescribed cylinders for the prescribed weeks on the 26 week protocol. I am not saying that you will not get some results from what you are using, but you would realize more and probably faster if you adhered to the regular weekly schedule. It was developed over a period of time by the manufacturer and a lot of us old guys had input to their research center with our comments of what to do and what not to do.

Angus has stated that the best motto for VED therapy usage is this: "Less is much better than more" when it comes to the amount of vacuum pressure used. That statement should be the watchword for any and all using the VED therapy. Again, I would strongly recommend that you try your very best to tolerate the small amount of inconvenience you have with using the A cylinder and keep it into your routine of exercises. It only lasts for the initial weeks of the protocol anyway. I know from experience that it works best overall to follow the schedule to the letter.

Old Man

[Old Man]

Note to Fred22 and All:

The discount code term TEAM will no longer be used when placing an order with the Fitzz company. The new discount coupon code word is PFORUM.

Be careful to remember this and apply it to any telephone or on line order placed with the company. The company apologizes for having to raise their prices, but they had no choice in the matter. Their supplier raised them in view the economy or something.

Old Man

[skunkworks]

Angus has stated that the best motto for VED therapy usage is this: "Less is much better than more" when it comes to the amount of vacuum pressure used. That statement should be the watchword for any and all using the VED therapy. Again, I would strongly recommend that you try your very best to tolerate the small amount of inconvenience you have with using the A cylinder and keep it into your routine of exercises. It only lasts for the initial weeks of the protocol anyway. I know from experience that it works best overall to follow the schedule to the letter.

Hey Oldman,

Thanks for the PM, I have read it now and replied via PM regarding the A cylinder.

I am very cautious regarding pressure, probably more so than is needed.

[Fred22]

Note to Fred22 and All:

The discount code term TEAM will no longer be used when placing an order with the Fitzz company. The new discount coupon code word is PFORUM.

Be careful to remember this and apply it to any telephone or on line order placed with the company. The company apologizes for having to raise their prices, but they had no choice in the matter. Their supplier raised them in view the economy or something.

Old Man

Thanks Old Man.  I just ordered the Vitality Plus 3 cylinder (SKU: AM1000P) from Fitzz. and got it for $254 total (free shipping,).  This is he right one isn't it?  I'm glad you gave us a heads up because I kept putting it off because of the holidays, etc.  I just hope it doesn't make this pain worse.  I realize I'll have to go slowly and I'm sure I'll need your advice when I start the therapy.  Thanks again!

Fred

[Old Man]

Fred22:

No problem. That is what this forum is all about = helping others when they need it. Yes, from the price you stated, sounds like you ordered the right one. And yes, there is still free shipping from the company when ordering over a certain dollar amount.

Let me know when you get your VED and have questions to be answered.

Old Man

[Fred22]

OK, I got the Fitzz 3 cylinder and it seems to be assembled properly.  I'm getting ready to start the 26 week protocol.  Just a couple of questions.  The directions (in 26 week protocol) say "engorge the penis" and hold for 5-10 seconds.  This may vary from person to person, but approximately how many pumps should it take to engorge the penis in the A cylinder?  Also is just trimming the pubic hair around the penis sufficient or is it better to shave? Thanks.

[cowboyfood]

Fred22,

The number of pumps required to fully engorge the penis using the A tube, or any size tube, may vary depending on several factors.

I found the following routine to work best for me using the "A" tube in particular:
First, lubricate the tube and your penis.

Second, insert the penis into the "A" tube.

Third, begin your first cycle.  Start by pumping several times (but, be conservative, maybe 2-4 pumps, this varies).  Wait about 3 to 5 seconds, and then pump a few more times.  Continue the pump and wait until you feel the penis is about as engorged as it will get during this cycle.  I find that it takes me anywhere from 3 to 6 cycles to get fully engorged depending on many factors.  Generally, I do not "count" my first several cycles and consider these "warm-ups."

Fourth, (and most importantly when using the "A" tube IMO), release the pressure and let your penis relax while inside the "A" tube.  Do not remove your penis from the tube before beginning the next, or any subsequent cycle.
This particular method seems to work for me.  If I remove my penis from the VED in between cycles, my penis gets "stuck" about halfway to three-quarters of my maximum lengthwise stretch point.  But, if I don't remove my penis, I can get about a 25% to 50% longer stretch.  I don't know why this is the case.

Fifth, Begin the next cycle.

So, I have found that the number of cycles to get to a fully engorged state in the "A" tube varies.  Maybe it's the weather, or many other things.

In any event, if you are just starting, you may find it takes you a lot of practice (weeks to months) to fully "master" the "A" tube.  It took me a long time.  I'm in my second protocol and I'm getting excellent stretches using the "A" tube; whereas I did not get great stretches during my several attempts using the A tube during my first protocol.  In fact, I quit using the "A" tube for a while, but returned to its use after discussing my frustration with it with some veteran users.

Now, I almost always get great stretches with the A tube.  

Also, use of the "A" tube limits the size of the engorgment due to its narrower diameter. But, the "A" tube provides a nice lengthwise stretch.  The lengthwise stretch is the purpose of this tube.

Hope this helps.

CF

[Woodman]

I ve had the VED since June of 08. Ive tryed using it consistently but have had to stop numerous times due to pain. Either the pain from the Peyronies or a combination of the two. I will use the VED for approx. a week or two then it will feel like I ve used too much pressure then I will get additional pain and have to stop for a couple weeks or so till it calms down then start over. This seems to be a continuous cycle for me.

I often have a problem with the VED wanting to pull in my scrotum & or testicle while pumping up. I ve tryed using both rubber inserts. Sometimes the big one will work better. Sometimes the smaller one will and sometimes neather will work. I cant seem to figure out what Iam doing wrong. I ve tryed diffrent positions like penis touching the bottom or top of the cylinder. I also tryed moving it a little to the left or right of the base of the penis.

I notice that having the problems with the rubber inserts seem to effect how the penis stretches in the cylinder. It seems since the skin isn't staying in the right position its stopping the penis from stretching fully.

Also I ve noticed even when I am getting the technique right for the most part it seems that different times the penis stretches to different sizes. Sometimes it will stretch out pretty good others it will barely stretch out. Has anyone experienced this with the VED?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts

Woodman

[Old Man]

Woodman:

From your description of how things are working out for you with the VED that you definitely are having a problem. There are many posts back in the VED board on several topics that explain very much in detail how the VED is supposed to be assembled and used.

However, I will try to assist you with a few tips that have worked for me and other guys on the forum. It appears that you may not be using enough lube in the right places to help you get your shaft into the mouth of the cylinder(s). This is how I use the lube: Place both sizing inserts into the assembled cylinder(s) when using the small A cylinder and place lube inside of them and well on up into the cylinders as far as you can reach (some guys use a small brush to place the lube further out, etc.) You should use enough lube to provide a good slippery surface on the shaft as it is being drawn into the cylinders. Another thing is that you should use both the small and large sizing insert unless your shaft is just too large to fit into the small one. The small one prevents the penile skin from being drawn into the opening between the nested cylinders. Be extremely careful to keep the lube from getting on your scrotum so that it cannot be drawn into the cylinders while pumping. But, get enough lube on the head and shaft to allow easy slipping into the VED.

As you are ready to insert your shaft and head into the cylinders, use a small amount of vacuum to help pull the penis on into the mouth, etc. Jockey the whole VED around a bit while pumping to help position the cylinder better. Work slowly and let the blood flow build up so your penis can expand and get a good tight seal in the inserts/cylinder mouth. This is a case where less pressure it better than more. The time may vary between exercise cycles and or sessions to get a full erection going so that you can repeat the pumping cycles successfully.

Take your time when doing the sessions and I am sure that you will see better results if you do the above suggestions. I know that it seems like the procedure is difficult to get the hang of, but it will get better if you devote time and effort to learn the right steps. Feel free to ask any and all questions you may have and I will be glad to work with you in arriving at a solution.

Regards, Old Man

[skunkworks]

I often have a problem with the VED wanting to pull in my scrotum & or testicle while pumping up. I ve tryed using both rubber inserts. Sometimes the big one will work better. Sometimes the smaller one will and sometimes neather will work. I cant seem to figure out what Iam doing wrong. I ve tryed diffrent positions like penis touching the bottom or top of the cylinder. I also tryed moving it a little to the left or right of the base of the penis.

One thing that might help with that is making sure the very base of your penis and the sizing insert do not get any lube on them. Also having a partial erection can help.

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

I disagree with the statement in your post to Woodman about not getting lube on the base of ones penis or the sizing inserts. This can only lead to irritation of the skin and possibly the upper part of the scrotum. The shaft of ones penis must be able to slip easily into and out of the mouth of the cylinder(s) and if no lube is on the sizing insert, it just will not slip easily. I know, have been through many trial and error periods with VED usage and have experienced just about any and all problems. Lastly on this thought, the lube provides a better sealing action to allow for more vacuum pressure without pumping many cycles. The seal must be maintained at all times during the entire therapy session or else leakage of vacuum occurs and the pressure is lost. This has been a problem with many guys new to the VED therapy.

There are many posts in the VED board under the various topics that strongly suggest that no lube be gotten on the scrotum to prevent it being pulled into the cylinder during pumping exercises. And, there are many posts suggesting that plenty lube be used on the shaft and inside the cylinders to prevent any irritation while pumping cycles are being performed to preclude any possible injury to the skin, etc.

Anyway, hopefully, he can get his exercise cycles back on track and see some success with the VED therapy. VED therapy is not for those who are looking for an overnight "cure", it just doesn't happen that way.

Old Man

[skunkworks]

I just find that if any lube gets on the very base of the penis (where it meets the scrotum) and the bottom of the sizing insert (the rim), it is far more likely that the scrotum willl be pulled in. This is just my experience though. I should have said only with the larger inserts, as noone should be having issues with the scrotum being pulled in while using the smallest tube and insert.

It's a pretty safe bet that you should be listening to old man over me though

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

Yes, you are right there about the sizing inserts. Caution is the watchword in any VED exercise. One must be careful not to overpump the pressure or hold the pressure too long at a time. Edema can and will result when the pressure is too high or held too long. VED therapy is a case where less is better than more.

So, again use caution with VED therapy, whether or not you dealing with the pressure or the lubrication factor. Lubrication in the right places is the key to successful therapy sessions. However, one should not allow the scrotum tissue to be pulled into the cylinders and at all costs.

Old Man

[Jackieo]

Hi, guys.
I feel I need to voice an "option" to the guys who, like me, are experiencing the occasional problem with their scrotum skin being sucked into the VED.
I found a "ball strap" at a local leather shop (no....that is not my "thing" and I was a bit nervous walking into the shop....).  The straps come in various widths and lengths as well as snap-fasten or Velcro.  I have not had any problems since I started wearing the strap.
Also, I found that there are many different qualities of water-based lube available.  At the upper end of the expense meter is one by brand name "Maximus".  I have not had any pain (or burn sensations) since using it.
Best of luck.
JackieO

[skunkworks]

Hey that is a really good idea!