Shockwave in Canada

[pc154]

Just wondering if there is anyone from Ontario Canada here.  And if so, have you heard of Urogen?  They have a pretty big media ad campaign going right now.

They are offering shockwave therapy and claim huge successes.  Fairly expensive, but would be worth it to me, if it works.

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this place? 

Urogened.com

I have done a search and lots of reading on this forum, but just hoping for some more dialogue.

[Mikel7]

It doesn't matter how they package it, shockwave therapy does not help improve peyronies. Search the forum and you will see for yourself. It is a big $$$ for Dr's.

[BentKnob]

I've had shockwave treatment and found it helps with ED.

It's questionable in whether it helps peyronies or not. Then again any type of treatment may or may not help.

[Fox1]

In Germany ESWT isn't that much expensive like in Canada. If you have a private health insurance it is covered otherwise you need to pay ~ 220 Euro for each 20 minutes treatment (still expensive but maybe a good investment). That is why I put it in consideration for me.

There are a lot of different machines that can be used. My urologist has 5 different machines especially for treatment at the penis. I googled the price and it is up to 40keur for each machine. A nurse is doing the ESWT according to his instructions. I was told to use a couple of weeks in advance Cialis or Tadalafil to increase blood flow. Results are only visible with a delay of a couple of month. It is a complicated deasease, of course he couldn't promise a reduction of x degrees curvature. For some it helps, for other not...

And I agree that it is like always in life: be careful when somebody can earn money with your desperation!

I really hope that I can avoid a surgery. Surgery related risks seems quite high to me. That is why I am currently doinig 8 rounds of ESWT combined with other minimal invasive treatments. If I feel well again at some point, I don't care what helped.

[pc154]

I had a consultation today.

What they say makes sense, but who knows the actual success.  They say they have had a very high degree of success.  Some more than others, but improvement regardless.

They use a positve acoustic machine.  Both radial and focus.  Radial is for deeper scar tissue type issues and the focus for shallower treatment to open up the arteries.

Price is just shy of $5000 cdn with is around $3500 US.

The thearpy consist of 6-8 treatments, 2/week.
Then a 6 week break.
And then 6-8 more treatments, 2/week.
Some have required further treatments, others have had great improvement with less than the 16.

And yes, I have read lots on the forum here.

Lots to think about.

[BentKnob]

The thing with peyronies disease is that no treatment is guaranteed as they are yet to find a cure.

From reading studies on ESWT some people have had improvement in curvature and plaque size reduction.

I've only had peyronies for 3 months so far so it makes sense to use any treatment available while in the acute phase.

I can imagine it gets harder to treat the longer you leave it as plaques get harder and become calcified.

It's £3,000-£4,000 here in the UK for 6 sessions of ESWT performed weekly.

I'd rather give it a go with the chance of improving the condition and stop it worsening.

I think people can be negative on here and jump to the conclusion it's a scam.

Private health care is never cheap. That's well known.

[Pfract]

PC154: fellow Canadian here. Ontario as well. I think I heard about it. But it's not for me.

[Fire guy]

Southern Ontario guy here. Urogen is one of many fancy clinics making the same claims. My urologist told me shock wave therapy was making doctors rich, and it didn't work.

For us Canadians, we are not used to false claims being made in the health care industry, since OHIP covers most procedures.

There is a reason that we have to pay out of pocket for Peyronies treatments-
Nothing is particularly successful, and there is no known cure.

My experience so far-

The success rate of Veraparil injections (2/3 will see improvement) simply not true.
Restorex claims 70% see curvature improvement after 12 weeks- not likely

I guess what I'm saying is follow the advise you find on this forum, not the claims made by highly profitable clinics.

It depends on your primary problem, I have seen some have received pain reduction. Mine is strictly curvature. I can't find anyone on the forum who decreased their curvature with Shock Wave Therapy.

[Pfract]

How did you find your experiences with the urologists you have been to?

[pc154]

How did you find your experiences with the urologists you have been to?

I am still waiting to get into a urologist.

Up to a 12 month waiting list.

[Pfract]

That's the sad part about our Canadian healthcare. Have you considered going into the US?