Should I be doing counterbending downward if I don’t have a curve?

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Trapper

Hey guys,

I think I am one of those guys with a circumferential scar. There is a band of tightened tissue mid shaft. The tissue is hardest on my left side where when fully erect you cannot see it but I can feel a hinge in my erection which seems to be becoming less prounounced with time.

My questions are

1) Do I continue traction against the dent even though it's not that visible?

2) see photo 2 do I counterbend downward to get rid of that tightened tissue on the top of my shaft? It's not causing curverature but is harder to get erect past it?

3) if I do do traction downward it (hopefully) won't change the angle of my erection which is straight (pic 2) right?

Pictures for reference

https://imgur.com/a/ft8IbN9

Thanks for any replies
33 years old, symptoms started early 20's but never really bothered me until the last two years
Trimix worked well but caused more scarring. 
Titan 24CM XL+ 1 CM RTE'S Dr. Hakky 4/4/23
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Sonic

Never seen a case like this before. Very weird how in the flaccid state the skin in that particular area looks so wrinkly and tight yet with an erection it seems to fully fill out?

Sorry I can't give you an answer, just an observation. Fully erect you can't really detect it which I would assume is a good sign!

I would be very interested in what Dr.Trost had to say about that.
30 years. Sudden rightwards curve detected in June 2020
Narrowing on right side and about a 20° curve to the right.
ED + instability due to narrowing.

Trapper

Thanks for your observations Sonic! Yeah I think I could literally fill up Dr. Trost's comment section with questions lol.

What you can't see is it doesn't get as firm and feels weakened in that area and is less stable (worst part) and my erection goes away quickly.

I thought/think traction is helping but I don't know because sometimes I get burning at the plaque and my erections seem even less stable maybe because it's softening and remodeling the plaque? Other times it seems to strengthen my erection just the other day I had a great full feeling morning wood.

But it's effecting my mental and physical health bad man I'm fixated on finding a solution to this problem.

33 years old, symptoms started early 20's but never really bothered me until the last two years
Trimix worked well but caused more scarring. 
Titan 24CM XL+ 1 CM RTE'S Dr. Hakky 4/4/23
Hyaluronic acid penis filler by Dr. Hakky June 2023

Sonic

That is the big issue. I have a quite big indent on right side shaft, dick looks pinched in half way up the shaft! Our indented parts do not fill out with blood so the penis has uneven pressure which causes that dreaded instability and Erectile Dysfunction!

It is the dent that has ruined me. When I just got diagnosed it was just s rightwards curve but dick was still symetrically even and no Erectile Dysfunction. Since the hourglassing/indent I can't have sex..

Narrowing is a major issue and an incredibly hard thing to treat. I would like to try out the ETG procedure but no one in sweden does it..
30 years. Sudden rightwards curve detected in June 2020
Narrowing on right side and about a 20° curve to the right.
ED + instability due to narrowing.

Trapper

That rough sonic. I wish there were more surgeons around the world  that treat this. Does ETSg provide stability or is it just cosmetic? Maybe better for me to try that instead of IPP? But how long you have to wait until after injury? Isn't it like 6-12 months?
33 years old, symptoms started early 20's but never really bothered me until the last two years
Trimix worked well but caused more scarring. 
Titan 24CM XL+ 1 CM RTE'S Dr. Hakky 4/4/23
Hyaluronic acid penis filler by Dr. Hakky June 2023

Sonic

At this point I am confused as some say it can provide structural support while others say it's purely cosmetic.

There may be a chance in the near future where implant is my only option left but I am deeply frightened by that surgery.
30 years. Sudden rightwards curve detected in June 2020
Narrowing on right side and about a 20° curve to the right.
ED + instability due to narrowing.

Trapper

I was the same Sonic. I saw a female urologist after one episode of injury (not the current one) and she said implant may be my only option and I got angry. She also said I might be "guilding the lily" or doing to much to the penis. Ultimately, she was right and I got better after stopping trying to make it better.

It is a hard call but I think if your erections are not to your satisfaction then it can provide the most satisfying outcome if your surgeon is good and you are not unlucky for complications. As you see in my photos cosmetically I look alright but I need more support in that area. I watch Dr. Trost video on ETG but I am not sure if I fall in "mild", "moderate", I do not think severe hey mentions but maybe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmdi2s_L9Uw
33 years old, symptoms started early 20's but never really bothered me until the last two years
Trimix worked well but caused more scarring. 
Titan 24CM XL+ 1 CM RTE'S Dr. Hakky 4/4/23
Hyaluronic acid penis filler by Dr. Hakky June 2023

Pfract

Hey trapper.

I don't think i have seen photos of what you have before, but i have seen it described here. In your case the VED is definitely warranted. There were members here that had great success in filling dents. Traction could be beneficial too? Straight traction seems to work for many members. In your case it would be about keeping size, since you don't have any problems in that part.

Also get on daily cialis 5mg as soon as possible and stay on it as it helps immensely with your ED. If you can also combine it with L-arginine for even better erections.

Trapper

Thanks for the info pfract! I have a soma ved system that I have been too scared to use but I may give it a try.

Been doing 20mg cialis daily but I think that along with nicotine pouches and being sedentary due to depression is causing some cardiovascular side effects that if I reverse may help too. So I'm taking the cialis every other day.

My goal is to correct the instability that occurs in the areas you see tightened. Do I go into the pump semi hard or fully hard and try to pump? The manual only describes how to use it for sex.
33 years old, symptoms started early 20's but never really bothered me until the last two years
Trimix worked well but caused more scarring. 
Titan 24CM XL+ 1 CM RTE'S Dr. Hakky 4/4/23
Hyaluronic acid penis filler by Dr. Hakky June 2023

projectpd

Hmm the restriction is obviously lateral not longitudinal. If you would not rule out stretching in principle, lateral stretching would make sense to me. I can't imagine ow longitudinal stretching would help. You can only do it by VED or twisting the penis. For me it feels good and leads to better erections. But obviously like with anything in life it is probably important to progress gradually, although I haven't had any adverse effects.  In the PE forums this is also referred to as bundled stretches.  
Age 57, Onset 2010, 2" shortening, shrinking and angulation of glans, weaker erections, 30 degree bend. Mild pain few months, but far from worst symptom. Tried many ideas, not just from here, but not consistently. Moderate improvement, maybe 40%

Trapper

ProjectPD,

That is what I am thinking too lateral stretching would be good. My reasoning behind the longitudinal stretch is the indention is most prounounced on the left side although the hourglass circles all the way around but it is deepest on the left. Do you think doing traction downward could worsen me or pretty safe?

I've been considering VED too and have used it for previous injuries to the same spot but not this time yet bought a whole new 300 dollar system that I haven't even touched yet. Here is my personal experience pro/con on both.

Traction:

Pro's
-Makes penis longer
-Makes indention on the left look less bad (counterbending right)
-Sometimes makes erection stronger

Cons
-Sometimes makes erection weaker like my penis is too stretched to get hard this will sometimes last a few days
-Sometimes slight burning pain at plaque

VED

Pros
-Makes erections harder
-Makes erections thicker
cons
-Sometimes makes erections weaker for days like traction (overpumping?)
-Petechiae (small red dots on my penis)
33 years old, symptoms started early 20's but never really bothered me until the last two years
Trimix worked well but caused more scarring. 
Titan 24CM XL+ 1 CM RTE'S Dr. Hakky 4/4/23
Hyaluronic acid penis filler by Dr. Hakky June 2023

projectpd

What I would suspect is that longitudinal stretches, even with counterbending, may not have much effect on these hourglass / waisting effects.. The reason for thinking that is the tunica comprises two layers.  One of them has longitudinal fibres, the other has lateral (circumferential) ones.  The traction I would expect should probably only have a signifiant effect on enlarging the one that limits expansion in that dimension, and maybe improving scar flexibility also mainly in that dimension.  I would think that would be why this study reported no increase in circumference,
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090305080516.htm
If you did use downward countebending it might still be good for length. I suppose logically, if it's effective enough,  it could eventually even begin to generate a downward bend, but then you could do ventral counterbending, restorex actually has a video showing that.

Age 57, Onset 2010, 2" shortening, shrinking and angulation of glans, weaker erections, 30 degree bend. Mild pain few months, but far from worst symptom. Tried many ideas, not just from here, but not consistently. Moderate improvement, maybe 40%

Trapper

Quote from: Sonic on January 17, 2023, 08:11:43 PM
Never seen a case like this before. Very weird how in the flaccid state the skin in that particular area looks so wrinkly and tight yet with an erection it seems to fully fill out?

Sorry I can't give you an answer, just an observation. Fully erect you can't really detect it which I would assume is a good sign!

I would be very interested in what Dr.Trost had to say about that.

Dr. Trost has reviewed these photos and doesn't think I have Peyroines but my other urologist that did the doppler said I do an have mid septal scarring and subtle narrowing under it. IDK man nobody knows what is going on. I have decided to stop traction for now as my penis feels skinnier after it. Maybe I have this hard flaccid thing I just don't know. I think I will try just one trimix shot tonight and see if it relaxes the area to go back to normal it has worked before a year ago. I am under tremendous stress and anxiety which is the cause of HFS? I will post the results.  
33 years old, symptoms started early 20's but never really bothered me until the last two years
Trimix worked well but caused more scarring. 
Titan 24CM XL+ 1 CM RTE'S Dr. Hakky 4/4/23
Hyaluronic acid penis filler by Dr. Hakky June 2023