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Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« on: March 01, 2011, 04:52:56 AM »

I noticed last June that my penis started curving to the left.  I went to a urologist and he recommended me get traction therapy so I did.  I followed the directions well originally, but sometimes I would miss wearing it due to real life events.  I still kept increasing the length, though.  I think eventually it was too much and it just caused more damage..

Now I feel like my penis is barely elastic at all.  I feel like I feel vertical lines of hardening from the base to the tip, multiple bands, etc.  My penis has definitely shrunk as well.. and it feels like some bands are pretty deep into the base of my penis.

:(  Has this happened to anyone else, and do you think the traction device made my peyronie's worse? 
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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2011, 08:28:59 AM »

According to several Male Sexual Function Specialist the traction device has caused damage for lots of men. It is not FDA approved.

In the blog from Men's Health Boston the doctor writes. "If we put a traction device on a terrorist we would be accused of torture."

I have been working with a young man (under 30) that the traction device caused a lot of problems for. He ended up having an implant with modeling. His before and after pictures are amazing.

Any device you use on your penis beware it can cause problems. Traction worked well for Les the VED worked well for me.

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2011, 01:51:31 PM »

Also, as your penis started to bend to the left, and then you started traction, it may have been a continuation of that process. The peyronie's process can last for a long time, and any treatment that you undertake at that time may not be responsible for negative occurences immediately after that time.

All mechincal treatments have positives and drawbacks. My gut instinct would be the VED would be a better treatment to start on for those new to peyronie's (since it stretches AND helps with erection strength in my view). Where that doesn't work after a period of time, traction might be useful. Both treatments have improved the condition. Men with made good improvements using both.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 05:50:53 PM »

I agree newguy.  I think that anybody in the active phase should take any therapy, either ved or traction slowly.  There seems to be mixed results in terms of traction.  Some guys do really well with it, but it does put more force on the penis in much longer duration throughout the day.  Since scar tissue is still in the process of inflammation and remolding, traction can aggrevate it.  I now think anybody new with the disease should do a 26 week protocol first, just because it's easier on the tissue and takes a lot less time.  If they finish and are not in the inflammation stage anymore, then perhaps they can try traction and even add it to another protocol if results aren't satisfactory.  It seems to work the best for guys that are stable, have scarring more towards the base, and not too many plaques. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 07:18:51 PM »

I agree newguy.  I think that anybody in the active phase should take any therapy, either ved or traction slowly.  There seems to be mixed results in terms of traction.  Some guys do really well with it, but it does put more force on the penis in much longer duration throughout the day.  Since scar tissue is still in the process of inflammation and remolding, traction can aggrevate it.  I now think anybody new with the disease should do a 26 week protocol first, just because it's easier on the tissue and takes a lot less time.  If they finish and are not in the inflammation stage anymore, then perhaps they can try traction and even add it to another protocol if results aren't satisfactory.  It seems to work the best for guys that are stable, have scarring more towards the base, and not too many plaques. 

Dr Levine did email me ages back to say that even for those in pain, traction is okay unless it makes pain worse. I try to be on the conservative side though, and my thinking for those new to peyronie's is that it's impossible to both exercise the penis, and get good erections. The VED effectively achieves both. Many men with peyronie's find that the quality of their erections is hindered, so in that respect I think the VED works on multiple levels. For men with more stable conditions, I think it's more of a level playing field, so I agree with your take on it. I often see posts saying, I tried treatment X and it didn't work for me. I think it's useful that there are multiple options for people, some of which or more suited to some men than others.
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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 08:13:44 PM »

Any device you use on your penis beware it can cause problems. Traction worked well for Les the VED worked well for me.

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And the advice for both is the same.... don't overdue it. The instructions with the traction devices are aimed at penile lengthening, and have a steady agenda of continuing to add the lengthening posts. Which at some point will cause a level of discomfort. Dr. Levine always told me to just wear to a "comfortable stretch". And that stretching to the point of tolerance wasn't necessary.

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2011, 09:09:18 PM »


Dr. Levine always told me to just wear to a "comfortable stretch". And that stretching to the point of tolerance wasn't necessary.

Les

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Lots of guys want to improve their situation in ays or weeks, when at a minimum we're talking months. An approach that is too full on is likely to do more harm than good. 

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2011, 10:15:31 PM »

One urologist told me to "treat this like a sports injury" and think for the long term rather than the short haul. I have a bad knee that gave me serious trouble a few years back and is now fine since I've been careful with it while still maintaining a good exercise routine. Same goes for the ding dong, I imagine.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2011, 12:02:21 AM »

I think even though I do not have experience in traction devices. That the same rule should apply that has been adopted and well versed through oldman and protocol with the ved. At any level of discomfort you should back of pressure  traction should also be considered in the same fashion as the ved protocol and dangers..You have heard the statemant no pain no gain.we are treating a wound you don't jump on a broken leg if you gather.What good would that do you?

Take caution in any remedy you consider to treat your wound. Take time and precaution with all you try.Remember pain is not your friend when treating this as likely it is the cause! How often have you felt pain there? Only time I did is when a nail ripped through it when sliding down a tree.Kicked in the nuts many times pain in my penis never. Until I got Peyronie's many years later.I remember what caused the pain I know the cause of my Peyronie's. Be warned anything that causes you pain is telling you somthimg is definately wrong.

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 04:52:51 AM »

Wow, thanks for all the replies guys!  :)

I think I'm going to stop wearing it for a while now.  I agree that maybe it should be reserved for more stable scars.  In the case of the new plaques/bands, traction probably would not be optimal.

I will be visiting the urologist again on Thursday.  I will ask him if I can get on a therapy of pentoxifylline 400mg 3x/day, L-arginine 1000mg 2x/day, and cialis 2.5mg 1x/day.  I started taking Coenzyme Q10 100mg 3x/day a few days ago.

This just came out in the Journal of Andrology on February 24, 2011 about the current non-surgical treatment for Peyronie's.  Click Full Text on the upper right hand corner to read the article:  ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21350241 
This is another study that came out February 16, 2011 about PDE5 inhibitors where they used tadalafil (cialis):  ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21324095

Just want to share some of my findings from researching intensely about Peyronie's the past few days :)  Hope it helps!
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 11:32:41 AM »

I read the two studies linked below.  The cialis study is very interesting.  Also the Hopkins summary seems to agree (finally) the coQ10 (better ubiquinol I'm sure) and Pentox are very promising.  So maybe we call the new "Gold Standard" cocktail the "CUP" - Cialis, Ubiquinol, Pentoxifylline ;-)  I know that I am taking all three.  Plus ALC and L-Arginine.....
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2011, 03:03:36 PM »

I read the two studies linked below.  The cialis study is very interesting.  Also the Hopkins summary seems to agree (finally) the coQ10 (better ubiquinol I'm sure) and Pentox are very promising.  So maybe we call the new "Gold Standard" cocktail the "CUP" - Cialis, Ubiquinol, Pentoxifylline ;-)  I know that I am taking all three.  Plus ALC and L-Arginine.....

Ahh cool :).  How long have you been on those medications?  Has it been helping?
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2011, 01:02:00 AM »

I discovered Peyronies Disease in Oct 2010, denied it, had it formally declared by a Uro in dec 2010 and started ALC, L-A, Cialis, vit e + D in january.  added pentox and ubiquinol in feb. So very recent.  Hoping to stop the three plaque areas from getting bigger, and reverse them.  We shall see.  Nothing new has developed in last 30 days.....
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 02:15:26 PM »

I noticed last June that my penis started curving to the left.  I went to a urologist and he recommended me get traction therapy so I did.  I followed the directions well originally, but sometimes I would miss wearing it due to real life events.  I still kept increasing the length, though.  I think eventually it was too much and it just caused more damage..

Now I feel like my penis is barely elastic at all.  I feel like I feel vertical lines of hardening from the base to the tip, multiple bands, etc.  My penis has definitely shrunk as well.. and it feels like some bands are pretty deep into the base of my penis.

:(  Has this happened to anyone else, and do you think the traction device made my peyronie's worse? 

Peysufferer,

I can relate to you exactly!!!

I started with my traction device about a yr ago (and stuck with it for about 10 months). I started off conservatively, and as often as possible,
I wore it under my jeans too. But, then I met with Dr. Levine and he said to wear it as often as possible, for as long as possible. He also said
to have it at the longest length (very taught). Dr. Levine said the effects of wearing it past the 3 hr mark increased your results immensely.
Well, I stuck with it as he said (average 8 hrs a day), but my results were bad over time. After talking with Dr. Levine's assistant, she asked
if I took 15 minute breaks during my sessions. I did not. The only breaks I took were for using the bathroom. However, she didn't seem too
concerned that this would've been a huge factor in my current state.

My ability to keep and maintain have worsened, and physically the inner penile muscle tissue is now more firm (should be softer/flaccid).
I have definitely lost girth near base and mid (flaccid and erect), I just accept it at this point. I stopped with the traction device all together
about 2 months ago. I have had some improvement - less rigid penile tissue. I do keep using VED therapy to help with circulation and
several oral medications/supplements, Pentox, L-Carnitine and going to try Ubiquinol. My physical condition has not been worsening
since I stopped the traction device, but I have had more sporadic pain as of late.

P.S. - I recently added "Repair Enzymes" (by a company called Enzymedica) to my list of pills. It seems to really be helping with inflammation.
I will make a separate post about that soon.

Good luck my fellow Peyronies Disease folks. This condition sucks. Everything is trial and error, with little or no reward - for me at least.  :-\
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2011, 01:52:04 PM »



My comments regarding my results from a year's worth of traction are in exact agreement with Peysufferer's original posted comments at the beginning of this discussion-thread... "now my penis is barely elastic at all"  and  "My penis has definitely shrunk as well".  These same things happened to me on traction, the internal penis material just doesn't stretch like it used to. 

I have never tried the VED treatment, but as long as I don't shrink further as I did on traction, then perhaps it will be worth a try.
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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2011, 11:14:50 AM »

Friends

I used the traction devices when I didn't have a problem just to enlarge my penis and I am now in trouble with peyronies. You can hurt yourself using traction devices. I have a pain after each ejaculation for days. I believe that it is very risky. If you don't have any alternative then surgery maybe it is worth to try  but I think it is one of the primary reason of injuries.
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2011, 10:52:19 PM »

To all

Any device can cause damage. The first damage for me occurred using a sex shop ved that a VA doctor told  me to purchase.After the dammage recieving a medical device from the Va go figure and watching a movie also.

Traction can probably cause peyronies like the ved.This is why you need to gain knowledge and use responsibly.

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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2020, 01:06:22 PM »


My comments regarding my results from a year's worth of traction are in exact agreement with Peysufferer's original posted comments at the beginning of this discussion-thread... "now my penis is barely elastic at all"  and  "My penis has definitely shrunk as well".  These same things happened to me on traction, the internal penis material just doesn't stretch like it used to. 

I have never tried the VED treatment, but as long as I don't shrink further as I did on traction, then perhaps it will be worth a try.

not thinking about suicide intensely when having peyronies at a young age is laughably impossible. lol, just think about how insanely fascistic this disease is. there is no F^@$!ng treatment and people aren't even united about what can make it worse or help at all. my deformity is getting worse and worse, my penis is thinning out like crazy and im applying for a grafting surgery once it has stabilized-and I am still alive which in itself is kind of unlikely at this point. so what is it? does traction help, does it MAKE YOUR ENTIRE PENIS LESS ELASTIC? seems like a significant think to know
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2020, 02:00:37 PM »

probably.  if you read all the penis extension forums, it seems traction increases flaccid length before it increases erect length, which is reducing elasticity, I guess ,technically.  Increasing erect length is much more difficult, but still, does/can happen.  for me I don't care at all about flaccid length, increasing only elasticity would be just great.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2020, 11:31:59 AM »

My urologist is not super experienced with Peyronies Disease, but I trust his experience and judgement. He cautioned me that for Peyronies Disease, he has never advised traction but always tells his patient that it is an option that has worked for some. His experience with his patients is that traction, done carefully and moderately, usually has no affect that cannot possibly be just the natural improvement of Peyronies Disease over time or some other therapy, like xiaflex, that he was using at the same time. He also has had many patients that got worse with traction and some who had penile fractures etc. that required emergency service. So, despite the many positive stories on this website, I have stayed away from traction while on my xiaflex therapy. I do "model" ever day that I am not sore from the injections, but my modeling is basically getting hard hard with my hands, masturbating, etc. Keep in mind that I have an hourglass double indentation and not much of a curve, but a hinge effect that greatly destabilized my penis. I am reporting on the xiaflex under my other thread, but short story is it is working, plaque and indents are smaller, but I am no where near I was or want ot be in terms of stability - after my third series of injections.
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2020, 11:37:11 AM »

Sounds like your urologist is a massive moron that doesn't understand scientific studies and his subject as a whole very well.
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2020, 11:50:18 AM »

That would be one way to interpret it....
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2020, 11:53:29 AM »

I was thinking about this too...
My penis curvature has stabilized in 45º degrees to the right for the last 3 or 4 months.
Last 2 or 3 weeks I started traction exercises and my penis is now something like 70º. Really, how this crap happenned?
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2020, 12:17:40 PM »

According to several Male Sexual Function Specialist the traction device has caused damage for lots of men. It is not FDA approved.

In the blog from Men's Health Boston the doctor writes. "If we put a traction device on a terrorist we would be accused of torture."

I have been working with a young man (under 30) that the traction device caused a lot of problems for. He ended up having an implant with modeling. His before and after pictures are amazing.

Any device you use on your penis beware it can cause problems. Traction worked well for Les the VED worked well for me.

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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2020, 07:08:10 PM »

And what's the theory for traction making it worse, the pressure? During an erection the pressure is much stronger yet getting erwctiosn doesn't worsen the disease

There's no traction during sex, much less traction in a flaccid state.
I don't know any theory, I just know traction worsened my curvature. Maybe I applied too much force? Maybe. But I prefer to stay away of traction devices for now.
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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2020, 08:15:21 PM »

but there is loads of pressure during getting an erection on the tunica albuginea, much more stretch than with moderate traction. this is the most terrible disease I can imagine. I just want to be dead. some people get better some worse with treatment, what the [email protected]<
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2020, 11:24:57 PM »

but there is loads of pressure during getting an erection on the tunica albuginea, much more stretch than with moderate traction. this is the most terrible disease I can imagine. I just want to be dead. some people get better some worse with treatment, what the [email protected]<

You've been whinning for a long time on this forum. Guess what happenned? Nothing.
You're dealing with this, I'm dealing with this. There's no god to answer your whimps here. Maybe if you really pray something can happen, I don't know. But certainly, talking like this in this forum won't help you. What do you expect? Someone here with a miracle cure designed to you?
The fact is you lack for attention and are trying to fulfill it here. I'm not gonna judge you, I don't know what kind of problems you've dealt in your life. I've dealt with A LOT, belive me. But, again: the way you're behaving won't help you. If you wanna make friends here, ok. Act like an adult.

I'm sorry for this slap, but I think it's necessary.
For peyronie, get a great doctor and make an appointment. There are some surgery options that can restore your lenght and girth. They are not cheap, tbh. "Oh, but what if I develop Erectile Dysfunction..." Then you put a F^@$!ng implant in your penis and become a p~$$% terminator. Sh1t, people lose their members everyday in this world. Bomb here, mines there. They have to adapt. Life won't be the same for someone that loses a leg, for example. But they must adapt. Btw, this comparision sucks a lot because a penile implant will give you a functional sex life, but a leg prothesis won't give you a good functional leg. Go try to play football with a metal leg. A match with your friends? Nevermore.

I could keep whinning like I was weeks ago, but I decided to waste this time researching. There are things that even experienced people here don't know, like MOST and Egydio 2.0 technique. Sh1t, Nesbit should be banned but still being the most prescribed surgery for Peyronie. And people here still do this crap, most of the times because they lack knowledge and rely on their ignorant doctors. So go F^@$!ng learn something and try to correct yourself.
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Symptoms started around September 2019. Peyronies Disease developed quickly. After one complete year, the pain is almost gone. Current regimen: manual traction and VED daily, Cialis every week. Excellent erections, but a 70º degree (approximately).

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2020, 11:26:36 PM »

Too much tension can worsen Peyronie's. Also, your symptoms may APPEAR worse, or be temporarily worse if you don't do it enough IN MY OPINION. With the PMP, I noticed some new bending after using it but then after I continued using it, it went away and my penis is straighter than before. Traction changes your penis structure and it kind of has to re-arrange itself, like correcting a broken bone. Now, this is my opinion only and you should be careful and go with what you think is right or what your specialist thinks.

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2020, 03:12:24 PM »

I seriously have begun to loathe myself.

I had a cumbersome albeit manageable curve, stable for 5 and a half YEARS. I tried to improve it by traction, massage, etc. All it did was flare up my symptoms and start a new, much more destructive curve, and Erectile Dysfunction.

I am beyond myself with grief, and do not know what to do. Take my anecdotal advice for what it is, but I reiterate, trying to model, stretch, or massage my penis--even lightly--has just caused inflammation and calcification of my plaques. If your penis is bent but still functional. Roll with it and don't do anything to inflame it.

has anyone else experience a "re-acuting" phase?
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25 y old. Injury during sex 2014 and since then, an upwards bend, 20-35 degrees. Haven't tried more than occasional manual traction. Losing my mind.

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Re: ¿Peryonies que empeoran la tracción?
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2020, 06:12:04 PM »

When I started manual traction I was very excited about the changes, curve / girth / better erections / better orgasms / improvement in my pelvic floor.
Today I feel that my penis no longer has elasticity, I feel more retraction, pain, hardened glans, bad orgasms, more obstruction when urinating.

I do not regret it because I had to try something, I no longer have cards to play, in my opinion short-term traction can get improvements but sooner or later you will end up damaging it more.
I don't know what happens to traction with devices, in the long term.

you find something motivated here?
https://www.urotoday.com/mens-health/peyronie-s-disease.html

I had an adult circumcision and it made my penis function much worse, I would not have peyronie's surgery.
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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2020, 01:36:30 AM »

After 6 weeks of traction on andropeyronie. My curvature reduced by 5 degrees, but my penis also wilted. Like a old cucumber from the back of the fridge. It took about 6 days rest to recover

Restorex also damaged my penis, but that also recovered. I returned to Restorex. This time with lighter use. It turned out fine, but there has not been any benefit d
So far.

With rest you'll be fine.

Lesson here is take it slow, and traction can have some benefits.

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Age 45. Symptoms began August 2018. Started andropeyronie reduced curve by 5 degrees. Before penis wilted and shelved a/peyronie's. Starting DMSO formula with traction and VED therapy. 30 degree bend. Target to reduce to 15. By April 2021. Fingers X.

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2020, 01:54:14 AM »

I personally think that it is much easier to hurt yourself with a device than by hand.
I also think that traction by hand is still the most powerful and effective way to reduce symptoms, but that's just my opinion.

Very excited to try Restorex here soon though.

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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2020, 10:00:13 AM »

Case by case.. For me my curvature had kinda stayed put till I used it.. It caused me a ton more pain and the narrowing came in fast. If your plaque is high on you shaft near the glands like mine I’d run for the hills!
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35 yrs old Onset 05/01/20 diagnosed 05/14/20. Taking Pentoxofylinne, trental, multivitamin, Zoloft & Tylenol .Traction was painful and made it worse. Lateral plaque by glands 20 degrees left/ narrowing. Lost about 2cm length

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2020, 10:42:37 AM »

I don't understand why so many people seem to get worse with traction. If you look at the rc studies that would surely show in outcome VS placebo group especially in the studies with chronic phase Peyronies Disease as the placebo group should largely stay stable by nature, if the traction group has a significant percentage of people getting worse, this should be seen shouldn't it? And how would it make it worse? Every time you get an erection, there is more pressure on the tunica albuginea in length and girth than with traction. Your not stretching the tissue any further than it would be stretched during a nocturnal erection. Also, if traction makes people worse during active phase, why is it recommended after surgery to prevent scaring and preserve length, there the wound is more newer than a chronic peyronies plaque. Just trying to understand these findings
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onset of symptoms in February 2020 initial pain when flaccid only which has since improved. 20deg left curvature, loss of girth indent
started oral treatment in march, currently on Potaba 12mg 1200mg Pentox, 2.5mg Taladafil and L-arginin
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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2020, 02:59:49 PM »

If your plaque is high on you shaft near the glands like mine I’d run for the hills!

That is very interesting. My plaque is located in just such the place and I also worsened from traction, with restorex.  You may be on to something here.  Basically, it all depends where the plaque is.
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43 Yrs old, Peyronies Disease Onset 11/2019, Diagnosed 1/23/2020.  Stabilized 6/2020.

Dent/Hourglassing distal and dorsal side, 15 deg bend left, 90 deg bend up, lost length and girth top half.

CoQ10, Propolis, L-Citrulline/L-Arganine, Pelvic Floor Therapy

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2020, 05:19:25 PM »

I don't understand why so many people seem to get worse with traction.

I think it's cause people push too hard.
I haven't read studies about traction, but probably you can find the mean force that the patients apply. If you find it, then you should apply this force (approximately) in your traction exercises.

I'm using VED and I find it much safer, even though some people also get worse using VED. Well, remember that the same principle applies to VED: don't force too much! People should focus on small gains and give a lot of time to recover. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
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Symptoms started around September 2019. Peyronies Disease developed quickly. After one complete year, the pain is almost gone. Current regimen: manual traction and VED daily, Cialis every week. Excellent erections, but a 70º degree (approximately).

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2020, 07:05:46 PM »

The only time traction hurt me was when i over did manual traction a couple of weeks after my injury. First it was too much tension, for too long, too soon.

After that i have had times when i almost hurt myself, but honestly you have to stop being scarred and just start the therapy already. I wish i would have started therapy as soon as possible and not be so scared about it.

With something like RestoreX i would start as soon as possible. The more you wait the worse the scar tissue gets.
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Started RestoreX and VED 2 months after injury.
Taking 10mg daily cialis, pentox, coq10, vit-e.
Loss of girth, but gain of length (1in) with consistent traction.
Continuing VED to try to restore girth

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2020, 08:08:01 AM »

If your plaque is high on you shaft near the glands like mine I’d run for the hills!

Hey,

That is indeed interesting. I am onto my 3rd week with Restorex and my main plaque is located on the upper half of my penis, a few cm below the glans while erect, while other smaller ones have emerged along the shaft.

I have complied with the instructions and taken it quite slow, sometimes not wearing the device for as long as recommended etc. So far, the main result from the Restorex is a weird pain in the pelvic area along with a new semi-hourglassing at the bottom of the shaft. To continue or not continue the treatment is the question at this stage. I have a consultation with the specialist who recommended the device later this week and will see what he has to say about it.

In the meantime, any advice?

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Early 30s, diagnosed with Peyronies in 2017 after trauma during sex. Upward curvature, currently multiple plaques. Restorex, VED, 5mg Cialis, L-arginine, Coq10, Bio -Pycnogenol, Propolis

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2020, 06:35:21 AM »

Sometimes I get a mild but sharp pain in the groin area but high towards the hip while using restorex. When it happens I back off the tension a notch or two or if I'm towards the end of the session just stop. Heat helps with stretching before traction. People have different methods they use for heat. I apply traction after hot shower.


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Hey,

That is indeed interesting. I am onto my 3rd week with Restorex and my main plaque is located on the upper half of my penis, a few cm below the glans while erect, while other smaller ones have emerged along the shaft.

I have complied with the instructions and taken it quite slow, sometimes not wearing the device for as long as recommended etc. So far, the main result from the Restorex is a weird pain in the pelvic area along with a new semi-hourglassing at the bottom of the shaft. To continue or not continue the treatment is the question at this stage. I have a consultation with the specialist who recommended the device later this week and will see what he has to say about it.

In the meantime, any advice?
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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2020, 08:48:22 AM »

CAD - thanks for the advice. How long have you been using that approach with the Restorex? Any visible effects?

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2020, 12:57:50 PM »

The weird sharp pain in the groin area I got at the higher settings...where the device is stretched as far as the rods allow. I suppose that started about midway through the recommended 12week regimen. I started the traction after hot showers maybe at the same time...at about week 6. I've had some success with restorex but not the 10 degree correction or more I was hoping for and I'm about to start month 5.
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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2020, 04:38:25 PM »

CAD - I appreciate you sharing your experiences, this is useful for me (and others) to know. I was hoping there'd be more positive effects of Restorex overall, but it does seem to vary a lot from person to person. I would be interested to hear how you are getting along with it moving forward, and whether the effects change over time.

Best of luck until then!
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Early 30s, diagnosed with Peyronies in 2017 after trauma during sex. Upward curvature, currently multiple plaques. Restorex, VED, 5mg Cialis, L-arginine, Coq10, Bio -Pycnogenol, Propolis

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Re: Traction Worsening Peryonies?
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2020, 05:27:28 PM »

   I think the reason traction appears to worsen the curve sometimes when you first start to use it, is it stretches the parts of your penis that aren't damaged by scarring first and the scars/plaques either don't stretch or take a long time to catch up with the healthy parts. That's what i've found anyway. It's a marathon not a sprint and the sprint can be scary at first.
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acute since dec 17
taking alot of the recommended supplements.
VED and traction
went from 30 degree curve to 60 during acute stage,but seems to have stabilised since may 19

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« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2020, 08:27:27 AM »

Philtered - Interesting regarding the plaque/non-plaque areas, I hadn't thought of that!

My issue is that it seems like using traction made a recently formed secondary plaque (discovered it in Jan 20) 'angry', resulting in this new hourglass. I am therefore worried that things will get worse before they get better, if they get better at all. Could it be that this other plaque is in the 'acute phase' now? I'm not sure whether I should refrain from using traction at the moment.

Anyone had similar experiences?
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Early 30s, diagnosed with Peyronies in 2017 after trauma during sex. Upward curvature, currently multiple plaques. Restorex, VED, 5mg Cialis, L-arginine, Coq10, Bio -Pycnogenol, Propolis

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« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2020, 04:12:02 PM »

Traction is recommended during the acute phase.  Just back off if pain.
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2020, 08:21:41 AM »

TonySa - Great, many thanks for the confirmation. Will proceed accordingly
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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2020, 04:39:39 PM »

Just a an update:

I proceeded with traction (with heat pad), VED, Cialis and various supplements to counter the original dorsal curve. The immediate result was the above mentioned indention by the non-calcified plaque that was not visible before, further down the shaft and closer to the body. In the past week, I have noticed a 45 degree turn of the whole penis at the base, around that new indention, mainly visible while erect.

I have taken it very slow, even slower than the recommendations in the Restorex manual and tried not to push it.

Do I continue with the treatment or not? For you Restorex users, should I apply the device differently and go for more of a traction from the side rather than combatting the main dorsal curve? I am really at my wits end here as I thought I was doing it correctly.
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2020, 05:22:25 PM »

Sounds unusual, maybe try emailing Dr Trost (the researcher) through the restorex website for advice.
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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2020, 08:12:06 PM »

my plaque/hardened lump seems to have reduced in size a good amount recently. Also, I now have two much smaller plaques where I once had the larger one...makes me wonder if it split in half. That what it feels like to me. I still get the sharp pain on occasion in the groin area...again..I just back off the tension a couple of steps. As far as your recent development I agree with Tonysa's advice to be safe. The restorex manual says to work on the worse curve first. Unlike was mentioned above in a post, I believe the traction pulls on the scar tissue before healthy tissue as scar tissue has less elasticity. However you can still hurt healthy tissue if overdone...IMHO.

CAD - I appreciate you sharing your experiences, this is useful for me (and others) to know. I was hoping there'd be more positive effects of Restorex overall, but it does seem to vary a lot from person to person. I would be interested to hear how you are getting along with it moving forward, and whether the effects change over time.

Best of luck until then!
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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2020, 12:04:15 AM »

Even if you hurt healthy tissue you want to keep doing traction so that any potential new scar tissue forms in an expanded state. I also believe that traction pull on scar tissue before healthy tissue. But at some point the scar tissue becomes tough so you want to more precisely target it and not target healthy tissue.

I do believe that RestoreX remodeled the scar and possible broke it off and disconnected it from the tunica. This is why you're seeing changes in other parts of the penis. Just keep at it and keep attacking the deformities.

I also developed a torsion on my penis, though only about 15 degrees or so clock-wise. What i did to combat it was to twist my penis counter clock-wise where the head of the penis was about 30 degrees counter clock-wise. Then i would clamp the RestoreX device and did straight and curved counter traction. The idea is to expand and break off the scar tissue. This has helped with the torsion.

I think it's good that you're not overdoing tension. You want to use the least amount of tension to keep remodeling the scar. If you use too much tension too soon not only do you risk injury, you strenghten both healthy and scar tissue IMO.

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Started RestoreX and VED 2 months after injury.
Taking 10mg daily cialis, pentox, coq10, vit-e.
Loss of girth, but gain of length (1in) with consistent traction.
Continuing VED to try to restore girth
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