Why is an implant considered the last resort? (Answer - It Isn't)

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Curvekiller94

I'm 26 years old I am in my active phase have been for about 6 months. I have an indent under the left side and a 28° curve left and about 28° upward curve up. Mri and ultrasound was unable to show plaques, and the plaques were also not palpable. Given that no palpable plaques can be felt there is no good pace for xiaflex.

I currently use the restorex haven't been seeing results thus far, and this is no way to spend the second half of my 20's. I'm 26 years old soon to be 27 this month. Even from light masturbation I have reinjury. I don't want to risk further injury and potentially shortening and girth loss as I already experienced mild. Am I a good candidate for an implant? I have erectile function but they are sub par and with the angle being so close to the base I am very prone to reinjury. Is there risks with being so young and getting an implant?  
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

Curvekiller94

To me a surgery every 10 years or so is worth having a sex life where I can have a girl on top or whatever postion I feel like without risking injury.

One other thing I was concerned with is how often is it acceptable to use your implant per week? I'm young and consider myself a pretty sexual dude  
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

Hawk

You are young for an implant IF you get reliable erections and your bend still allows you to have intercourse.  Only you and a very good high-volume surgeon can make that decision, however.

Regardless of age, if you cannot have mutually satisfying sex then an implant is always an option.  Have you tried daily Cialis?

The topic of whether an implant is the last resort is thoroughly examined here. link ---->  https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,10557.0.html
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Curvekiller94

I have not yet, I believe it's not going to make a difference due to some rotation I have while erect. But I will ask my doc for that. I do t believe it'll solve my problem though due to the dent at the base.
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

Braveguy

My curve is just like you. It curves to the left and up. My head also have a rotation to the left. It's like a weirdly tilted banana. I don't have a problem in getting erect tho. Do you have any kind of Erectile Dysfunction? If so, than I guess you should ask your doctor about getting an implant. Also if you're dognosed with Peyronies Disease, than contact a Peyronies Disease expert asap.

Here's the link from dr perito's website. In one of the answers it says ," a person diagnosed with Peyronies Disease loses 0.5 to 5 cm of length every month". It's serious bro.

https://peritourology.com/peyronies-disease-frequently-asked-questions/

21 , born September 1999. BPEL : 16.5 cm X 12.7 cm or 6.5 inches X 5 inches.
NBPEL : 6 inches X 5 inches. I've a curve to the left. My girlfriend feel pain when having sex. I too have discomfort. Looking for a permanent ,least invasive solution.

Bud luck

Braveguy, are you serious?."A man diagnosed with Peyronies Disease loses 0.5 to 5 cm of length every month",  if that's true, then I won't have a penis by now.  
My first symptoms started early in 2019
I tried Traction device, Pentofixiline, Q10, TRT, L-Argenine, cialis
I have narrowing/dent/hinge on the left side of my shaft
My ED is getting worse
Had a PRP shot Aug 2021
I have a girlfriend
Age 46

Braveguy

I don't know man , check the link. Dr perito says this. He's one of the top guys.
21 , born September 1999. BPEL : 16.5 cm X 12.7 cm or 6.5 inches X 5 inches.
NBPEL : 6 inches X 5 inches. I've a curve to the left. My girlfriend feel pain when having sex. I too have discomfort. Looking for a permanent ,least invasive solution.

Hawk

It just occurs to me we need a good flow chart which will take some considerable work.  No general statement fits every individual because life is more complex than that. This, however, is my assessment.

If you are under 38-40 and cannot have mutually satisfying intercourse
1. Reason is - deformity alone (strong reliable erections) - A. try some of these: (VED, Traction, Supplements, Xiaflex) -B. then consider a well-known Peyronies Disease grafting surgeon.
2. if you have -  Erectile Dysfunction alone A. try different oral PDE5 inhibitors - B. then consider a great High-volume implant surgeon
3. If you have Erectile Dysfunction and deformity, try 1. and 2. (A). Then B consider contacting a great High-volume implant surgeon

The older you are, the more (B) begins to lean toward the implant surgeon because the need for revisions is reduced, and Erectile Dysfunction is likely to become a bigger factor.  At 80, I think you would be a fool to consider grafting as an option (B). at 80, you would even spend less effort on option (A).  You would also eliminate Xiaflex as part of option (A).  Time is running out.  Get an implant and in 3 or 4 weeks, get on with life.
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To the question: Can a young guy cycle an implant daily?

Presumably, the more you cycle an implant, the faster it wears out.  There is evidence that is not true of every component, but that is the assumption.
Many men cycle daily the first year to increase the size, so age is not a factor - cycle it for size or for sex.  It is the same.
There are exceptions, but few females at any age want sex every day after about the first month, so regardless of the man, he is likely not having intercourse every day for years.
Standard/classic masturbation is very possible with a Titan without inflation because there is enough firmness there.  

Anyone with or without an implant can have intense orgasms while flaccid if they have Erectile Dysfunction.  All it takes is a strong vibrator and desire.    
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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Braveguy

Hey I'm a data science student , I can prepare some visualizations for you guys. It'll need some research tho. Can you tell me what to include and what to not? Also if you know some resources, that'd be good too.
21 , born September 1999. BPEL : 16.5 cm X 12.7 cm or 6.5 inches X 5 inches.
NBPEL : 6 inches X 5 inches. I've a curve to the left. My girlfriend feel pain when having sex. I too have discomfort. Looking for a permanent ,least invasive solution.

Hawk

Quote from: Braveguy on March 11, 2021, 05:23:05 AM

Here's the link from dr Perito's website. In one of the answers, it says," a person diagnosed with Peyronies Disease loses 0.5 to 5 cm of length every month".

That statement is VERY misleading.  That certainly could happen in a given month but to suggest that is going to happen month after month is completely false.  Once in the stable/chronic phase there is not any loss and men often gain from traction or VED in any given month.  

The Doctor quoted might be a good surgeon but his ethics have been repeatedly called into question.  There is strong evidence that he places a higher value on money than on alleviating human suffering.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Hawk

There are a lot of great resources in our Resource Library.

These 2 videos are both worth watching.   They are 20 - 30 minutes each.

While doctors and surgeons would disagree on the best approaches they both provide a good overview of surgical and non-surgical options.
link ---->     https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,15306.0.html
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

SW01

What a bunch of c#$#. Click on the link and go there and it does not even say that.

Just sad.  
Dealt with ED, Peyronies, & venous leak for 3 yrs.
implant on March 7, 2019 w/ a Titan 18 cm plus 1cm RTE
Revision after hernia surgery. Dr. Andrew Todd, Richmond KY
Removed Titan and put in LGX 18 cm plus 2 RTE's, 20 cm total.

matty1998

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Hawk

Quote from: matty1998 on March 14, 2021, 09:28:14 PM
Dr Mills (I believe that was his name) stated in his video, which Hawk posted: ,,Pyd + Erectile Dysfunction=  implant good choice. Pyd + no Erectile Dysfunction = implant bad choice." That's my assessment too. It's very fact driven.

Good presentations and overviews by both doctors, but that is where many world-class surgeons and I would disagree with Dr. Mills.  It is far too simplistic of a statement. If you read the journals, you will see we have men here who feel their relationships, if not lives, were essentially saved by implants even though they had no Erectile Dysfunction.  A 30-minute surgery for an implant versus a 3-hour grafting surgery with a considerably lower success rate gives a man a lot to think about.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Curvekiller94

Yeah it's certainly a choice I will have to weigh heavily not jumping into it as my first option that's for sure.

However, I worry about reinjury during sex and I want to be able to have a girl on top while I'm still in my 20's.  I want to be done using traction devices that don't seem to help me and make my dick hurt. Im torn forsure but I almost want to pull the trigger before something bad happens and I lose more length or my indent gets larger(which it has been recently). I also have mild ed. They just aren't as strong as they used to be
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

Hawk

If you have a 28-degree bend and reasonably reliable erections, then you can have intercourse with no problem.  To be talking about an implant in your twenties when you have a functional penis so you can have risky intercourse is an indication of emotional or mental issues.  

No legitimate surgeon will do that.  

The purpose of an implant is not to improve a fully functional penis.  
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Curvekiller94

It's not just that... intercourse for me is very painful and causes further injury. Even while being very gentle. The indent causes a lack of stability that is very unsettling.
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

Curvekiller94

And the indent seems to get bigger after every time I ejaculate. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been able to finish in the last 6 months do to post pain I don't like sex anymore and it's affecting my life.
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

Curvekiller94

Xiaflex not an option and it doesn't help indents, restorex is causing me pain and I'm unable to burry the lines due to pain, i take all the supplements and pentox etc, I wake up from painful erections

It's just that the "treatments" offered to me do absolutely nothing and cause pain with spotty results. And potentially just harm me further.

Grafting surgery is extremely risky, I just want to be able to have normal sex at 26 and you call me mentally ill? That's not nice or accepting. I said early in my post that I wouldn't jump into anything. I was simply asking for an opinion.  
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

seaturtle

why does everyone say xiaflex does not help for indents when there are studies showing that it works? it is just plaque that affects the circumferential fibres instead of the longitudinal right?  
28 yrs old
diagnosed with Peyronies in early 2020
Indentation and curve to left side
Mild to severe ED (position dependent) suspecting venous leak. VED attempt without success
Chronic flaccid pain very disturbing

Curvekiller94

Mine is near my urethra on the underside close to my body and my doctor doesn't think it's a good fit To inject there.

The grafting surgery to me is super scary as far as the loss of sensitivity and erectile function. I'd rather just have an implant and get revisions. "You can't mend a broken nervous system" -Dr. Fronkenstein
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

Hawk

If you have a ventral curve or a dent on the underside of the penis it would require injecting around or through the urethra which is NEVER an option.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

matty1998

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Hawk

Matty, I have absolutely no doubt that is exactly why he said what he did.  It is also exactly why many men with implants and many world-class surgeons disagree.

I think it is a very faulty conclusion and poor reasoning for MANY men.  Saying you can never get an erection without an implant is a totally moot point if you have an implant.  I equate it with saying to a guy considering a knee replacement that this should be the very last resort if you can manage to hobble around because you will never walk normally again if you don't have a knee replacement in your knee ???  And the point is what?  The obvious response is, of course, BUT I will always have a knee replacement, and thus I will run up and down stairs while the guys around me hobble.

Likewise, I will always have an implant, and my every wish be my dick's command, or my partner's every wish will be my dick's command.  

Keep in mind it is a 30-minute surgery that will result in intercourse within 3 weeks.  It is covered by most insurance and Medicare.  Women love it because they can relax and be stress-free.  Timing is never an issue. They can get lost in their own pleasure. Unlike a knee replacement, not one cell is removed from your penis.  Every cell, nerve, and piece of tissue is still there.  On the off chance that they ever do tissue regeneration of tunica or cavernosa, you are as much of a candidate as anyone else.  That is assuming you wanted to go through the process.

Finally, if you have full erectile functioning, you will still get raging hard, engorged spongiosium and glands with the least arousal.  Telling a man of forty, with a 100+ degree bend in his penis, he can't have an implant because his dick gets hard like ring bologna is not only crazy, it is cruel. You are deceiving him if you convince him you have a good chance of fixing him with your 3-4 hours of dissection and patching in the operating room.  You cannot deny a man a 30-minute surgery that restores his ability to that of an 18-year-old unless you have an equally satisfactory solution with as little risk of failure.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

GaussRifle

Hawk im not sure what you said about Xiaflex for ventral  curves is true. In the impress trials xiaflex was not considered for ventral plaques as it was thought that there is a risk to the urethra,  now doctors frequently use xiaflex for ventral curves as long as they can spare the urethra. Dr. Trost even said in his videos that he has found that xiaflex works better on ventral curves and provided more improvement.  I have a ventral curve and my doctor my doctor is a peyronies specialist from Mayo Clinic, Rochester and he has proposed me xiaflex for my ventral curve since in his practice he has been able to spare the urethra. I have an appointment on March 26th with him.
26 year old
45-50 degree downward curve with an indentation on one side when erect.
Using RestoreX and Xiaflex injections
Taking coq10 with daily Cialis 5mg.

Hawk

Gausrifle,

I appreciate that input.  I was going off of what the well-known Dr. Mulhall told me about my ventral curve and Verapamil injections.  "He said I was not a candidate for injections because injecting around the urethra is a strict NO."  I extrapolated that to Xiaflex.  It is good to know that is wrong because a dorsal curve is not that uncommon.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

seaturtle

i was always against implants at a young age but the more time passes, year after year, the more i realize that i will probably need one too. persistent Erectile Dysfunction with a deep indentation left and curvature with rotation, total lack of stability and shortening. ifthis goes on for another year i will chose the implant over never having sex before turn 30 even though i could probably never accept myself ever which sound like a pure nightmare to me
28 yrs old
diagnosed with Peyronies in early 2020
Indentation and curve to left side
Mild to severe ED (position dependent) suspecting venous leak. VED attempt without success
Chronic flaccid pain very disturbing

Curvekiller94

That's the thing I feel I will need one I'm gonna continue traction etc. but I don't want to finish my 20's being afraid to have sex in a year and a half if it's still a problem I'll get an implant. I can't handle further damage and would like to preserve what I hsvv be e got my mental state. No ved's no pumps no pills. I may have pain but At least I wouldn't have to worry about shrinkage or not having a strong enough erection etc. Just a surgery every 10 years sounds clear to me. I need sex I can't settle for the way things are right now. I need to know things aren't getting wirse. This uncertainty is a lot to handle as a young man. I'm trying to get a career off the ground. I can't have this too worry about too I'm finally getting my life together I won't let it.
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

GaussRifle

CurveKiller, while I understand your sentiment and I am in almost the same shoes as you, and would probably get my implant myself if they continue, I just want you to have realistic expectations about implants. Yes, they are great ! But for young people it means getting revision surgeries and revision surgeries are not as easy as they make it out to be. Out of all 3~4 or even 5 revisions in your lifetime you would have increased risk of complication like infections/erosion etc.... that might be something to consider. I was reading an article that I can't find now but will later post, that most of the patients who had penile implant extrusion/erosion were patients who were undergoing revision surgery and had more than 1 penile prosthesis in the past. The tissue in the penis can gradually get eroded especially when getting an implant at such a young age, over time.
Again, not telling you to not get an implant, might get it myself, but know that we have to set realistic expectations, complications can occur and just getting revisions throughout your life doesn't guarantee that you have will have a working implant till you reach old age.  
26 year old
45-50 degree downward curve with an indentation on one side when erect.
Using RestoreX and Xiaflex injections
Taking coq10 with daily Cialis 5mg.

curved

I am one of the guys here that got an implant even though I did not have ED. I did have a pretty bad case of Peyronies Disease with a 90 degree upward bend.  Intercourse was possible but not at all satisfactory.  I considered plication but ultimately went with an implant after a consultation with Dr. Eid. I spoke to three different, well respected surgeons and 2 agreed with implant and 1 said plication in my specific case. I did not consider excision and grafting based on my conversation with Dr Eid. He believes successful outcome of grafting is not assured and there is a higher risk for infection.  Very Important to note that several members have had success with PEG. Part of my reasoning behind getting the implant is the fact that the majority of men with significant Peyronies Disease will most likely get ED at one point .... so I figured let's just take care of this once and for all. I still do not have ED and am able to feel the sense of erection and engorgement. Curvature is now approx 20 degrees upward and intercourse is great.  Happy to answer any questions for those that may be considering an implant but do not have full blown ED. For me the key determining factor would be if you can have satisfactory sex in your current state.
51 yrs old; diagnosed 3.5 yrs ago; 90 degree upward bend
But I had no ED
tried all pills, VED, traction, Xiaflex PRP, ESWT, H-100 & stem cells; IF diet. implant surgery with Dr. Eid 3/28/19
to correct deformity - 20 CM Titan 2cm RTE / 1 cm RTE

seaturtle

for me a key factor to consider it at a yong age would not just be the fact that one would need revision surgery due to normal use during intercourse down the line but to consider that using it more often than average(young age, higher libido etc) would cause deterioration even quicker than normal. to put it differently what happens if i get an implant at 28 and masturbate 2-3 times a day every single day for the next 10-15 years? and if one has to limit their sexuality due to durability of the implant i believe that makes it completely unacceptable to me. basically the question is how does frequency of use affect durability? i think thats an even more important thing to consider. and i am afraid i would not like the answer

also what happens if you get infection or erosion, is the worst case result a financial burden aka more surgery etc but same result or will it be potential loss of functionality and size?

these two points are much more important than whether you will get a semi erection during the night which really is kind of pointless anyway
28 yrs old
diagnosed with Peyronies in early 2020
Indentation and curve to left side
Mild to severe ED (position dependent) suspecting venous leak. VED attempt without success
Chronic flaccid pain very disturbing

GaussRifle

Seaturtle, I believe the Coloplast titan in flacid state is hard enough to masturbate with without the need to pump it. Hawk will correct me if I'm wrong. As far as usage is concerned,  we would likely need to limit sex at 2 times a week to have it run 10 years which is honestly fine by me.  
26 year old
45-50 degree downward curve with an indentation on one side when erect.
Using RestoreX and Xiaflex injections
Taking coq10 with daily Cialis 5mg.

seaturtle

surely you must be joking? limit masturbation to a non hard penis and sex at a young age to twice per week and still onlx have it last for  a decade? then this thread should be closed immediately and the idea of an implant for men under 40 should be thrown in the trash right there if what you say is even remotely true. but that gives me a good understanding why my doctor told me he would never do an implant in my case, it seems like a solution for older men with very limited sexual activity and whos sex drive will decrease even further in the near future allowing them to limit sex even further. but anyone proposing limiting sex to twice a week with severe alterations in masturbation habit and still requiring revisions should be ignored and debated.

gaussrifle, i am glad this is no unacceptable for you but also realize you are an extreme outlier and it is unfair to extrapolate onto other people and when i am reading your posts i cannot stop to shake my head and burst into laughter of confusion  
28 yrs old
diagnosed with Peyronies in early 2020
Indentation and curve to left side
Mild to severe ED (position dependent) suspecting venous leak. VED attempt without success
Chronic flaccid pain very disturbing

Curvekiller94

28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

Curvekiller94

It's crazy they can't make the lifespan be at least 20 years. I guess it's delicate or something  
28 y/o
sex injury - gradually got worse
Hard flaccid, Indentation bottom left close to my body,  mild twist left
28° up 28° Left
official diagnosed @26 peyronies w/pain
Pentox, cialis, NSAID, tramadol(as needed)
Sciatic  pain radiates penis to foo

seaturtle

if it was 10 years and could be used like a normal penis multiple times a day, every single day then it would at least be fine. but what gaussrifle said, is kind of hilariously bad outcome for such a huge step
28 yrs old
diagnosed with Peyronies in early 2020
Indentation and curve to left side
Mild to severe ED (position dependent) suspecting venous leak. VED attempt without success
Chronic flaccid pain very disturbing

Hawk

Seaturtle,

First off, no one is trying to convince you or anyone to get an implant.  Just because you don't want one is no reason to close this topic.  It might be a reason for you to leave the discussion, but we will decide when we want to end the conversation.

Although I have no proof, I do not believe that you have to limit sex to twice a week for an implant to last 10 years.  Implants can malfunction after 6 months with minimal use if you are very unlucky.  They can last two decades.  I do not believe the life expectancy is a straight-line correlation to the amount of use.  Many men inflate twice a day for a year to increase penis size.  That would equal 7 years of use if that were true.  

The other thing is that if you would not masturbate twice a day with a somewhat firm penis without inflating, then you might have a little bit too much of a love affair with your hand.  It does not affect the intensity of the orgasm, so I guess you are into fantasies of looking at your penis regardless of the cost.

The final point is one of personal philosophy.  Let's propose a hypothetical question.  If a penis genie came to you and said, "you can have perfect penis function for 10 years of your life, but that would be the limit of your intercourse,".  Would you save it until 50 - 60 - 70 when you are retired and have time to slowly enjoy every minute (assuming you don't die first), or would you take it at 20 -30 or 40 when you are looking for a spouse, raising children, or meeting lots of young chicks?  Although no one is limited to just 10 years of implant, that is the sort of philosophical question you have to answer.  No one can answer that question for someone else.

If I could not have intercourse that is the time I would get an implant.  If I got ten years that would be a win but if I lived I would likely get 30 -60 years with a few revisions.  Who knows, in 35 years maybe I could order a designer tissue replacement penis from Wake Forest.  On occasion, I have sex 4 times in 3 days and they are not short encounters. I have had my implant 3 1/2 years.  If it failed today I would not have one single regret.  It was still the best sex or intimacy decision I ever made.

Of course, if you can have somewhat mutually satisfying intercourse now, then you should not even be posting on the Implant Board.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

seaturtle

this decision will be completely different dependant on age and how sexually satisfying your past sex life was. in my case i am basically a virgin(not quite) so it is brutal to get peyronies and be left with zero confidence in your abilities and understandably so. but as long as you do not get an implant you have a non zero chance of improvment with injections, xiaflex, natural healing which is a thing, traction. aftrrplacement of the implant these have all perished and it is irreversible. if i was 50 years old and had a normal sex life and in a stable relationship and that genie came then i too knew what to do. but for others this is an entirely different situation. and what does happen with infection, erosion, will you just be able to get it fixed or will it mean loss of the penis entirely? because then i would rather have a half functioning penis from 28-70 than a functioning from 28-40 and none at all thereafter. you say yourself that it is a myth that sex is over at 50.so that idea of potential total loss of functionality or size is a huge issue as well. and the uncertainty. frankly i believe that especially when it comes to sexual issues older more experienced men have many more tools to cope with this qs is with many things in life. nobody expects an old man to function perfectly and you are compared to men of your age based on functionality by women.

but i think it has been very clear now that OPs initial statement of getting an implant not being the last solution is false. thereare severe limitations to it and not being able to get random natural erections are by far the most minor one
28 yrs old
diagnosed with Peyronies in early 2020
Indentation and curve to left side
Mild to severe ED (position dependent) suspecting venous leak. VED attempt without success
Chronic flaccid pain very disturbing

Hawk

I don't agree with all of your statements, but you made your decision.  It only applies to you, not to anyone else of any age.

If you have decided implants are not for you at this stage of your life that is great progress.  You are one decision closer to what you are looking for.  Go post on other boards instead of this one.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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GaussRifle

Seaturtle.... you are saying we have a non zero chance of improving with traction, xiaflex and with time. Do you actually think, I was telling people to go for an implant skipping all of this ?. I am doing traction myself and will have xiaflex soon. If that fails or I'm unhappy with the indent hinge then  I will talk to my doctor about plication with extra tunival grafting for hourglassing indentation. If doctor feels my hourglass, indent is too severe to resolve by that then I will wait for a year or two and hope for spontaneous improvement. Only then will I choose an implant. And why won't I,  unlike you I an not happy with a dick that I can only masturbate and not have penetrative sex with.
26 year old
45-50 degree downward curve with an indentation on one side when erect.
Using RestoreX and Xiaflex injections
Taking coq10 with daily Cialis 5mg.

seaturtle

28 yrs old
diagnosed with Peyronies in early 2020
Indentation and curve to left side
Mild to severe ED (position dependent) suspecting venous leak. VED attempt without success
Chronic flaccid pain very disturbing

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GaussRifle

Matty , you are stating the obvious. If you have mild peyronies you dint need an implant. For a candidate like me who has 50 degree curve with hourglassing and indentation, sex is impossible. I am going to try xiaflex and traction , if I don't get rid of hourglassing, I might consider surgery... while making the decision an implant will also be kept in mind. What happens if I undergo plaque excision / incision and grafting and get ED ? Wouldn't an implant kill two birds with one stone ?
26 year old
45-50 degree downward curve with an indentation on one side when erect.
Using RestoreX and Xiaflex injections
Taking coq10 with daily Cialis 5mg.

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Quote from: matty1998 on March 19, 2021, 08:10:01 PM
... is the fact that they are irreversible. What if you change your mind about one after you've had the surgery and don't like it? There's no going back. It's like leaping a bridge. Once it's done, it's done.

You are right.  It is individual.  Your post actually caused an audible laugh.  Knee replacement is irreversible, so is an appendectomy, Hysterectomy, circumcision, kidney removal, amputations, LASIK surgery, penile grafting, and about 40 other common procedures performed a thousand times more often than implants.  Are you against knee replacements?  If not? why not?  It is exactly like jumping off of a bridge.  :D

The difference is the implant is the ONLY one of those where nothing is removed.  Since implants are very well documented and you can hear directly from men who got them, have you ever heard of a man with a properly installed implant that changed his mind and wished he could go back to no implant?  Did you ever even hear of one man who did not praise the day he got his implant?  Answer: NO, you haven't, so that was also a bizarre statement based on a non-existent hypothetical.

If a man cannot have sex and can have his penis restored to the reliability and full sensation of an 18-year-old at an orgy, I say it is just plain backward for him to conclude for him and his wife "Intercourse is just not for us.  But as you said, it is clearly individual kinda like gender reassignment :)  or maybe more like people who would rather risk a child dying than giving them a vaccine. (Which by-the-way, is also irreversible)

Since hypotheticals seem fair game here, how about this one. Let's take this hypothetical, a man's wife's vagina collapsed so she could not have sex.  She could have it supported by an internally hidden implant of some design (in a 25-minute outpatient surgery), so it was just like when she was 18.  Her clitoris still worked great.  She could have orgasms just from intercourse. Even her childbearing was restored.  She thought about it and opted not to care for her husband or the relationship enough to do that. It would be hard for most of us to get our heads around that.   In fact, if she willingly threw their chance for intimate intercourse away, there is a good chance she would lose him to the neighbor lady who did decide to get a vaginal implant. :)

That's how crazy this conversation has gotten!
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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Tortão Pra Direita

Quote from: gaussrifle on March 19, 2021, 10:51:23 PM
What happens if I undergo plaque excision / incision and grafting and get Erectile Dysfunction ? Wouldn't an implant kill two birds with one stone ?

I'd kill 2 birds with one stone. Actually, it's 3 because you're preventing new deformities with the implant.

1993 born. Brazil.
Peyronies since Sep 2019.
Penis developed curvature, lots of plaque, loss of size and axial rigidity. Severe peyronie.
Mar/21 TEP + Titan Touch 20 cm + 1.5 RTE.

Surgery done by Dr. Marco Tulio Cavalcanti, in São Paulo.

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Bud luck

Matty1998, you seem like a wise man. About the vasectomy, I agree with you 100%. After I got my vasectomy years ago my erections and libido were never the same, but the "urologist" said that was in my mind. About the implants, like anything else in live, some guys love them, some are ok, and some regret them. Having an implant is a risk like everything else.

Bud luck, You are either very easily duped or you are a co conspirator
My first symptoms started early in 2019
I tried Traction device, Pentofixiline, Q10, TRT, L-Argenine, cialis
I have narrowing/dent/hinge on the left side of my shaft
My ED is getting worse
Had a PRP shot Aug 2021
I have a girlfriend
Age 46

TDix

For what it's worth, I love my implant.  I don't think about it most days, and it's always there ready for action like I was up until Peyronie's hit me
47 yrs old, 3 yrs diagnosed
Xiaflex w/original uro resulted in a fracture
Excision/grafting by Dr Faysal Yafi 3/26/19
Implanted by Dr Yafi 8/11/20, Titan 20cm + 1cm RTE

Tortão Pra Direita

I bet there exists, but I haven't seen dissatisfied men with implants done by high-volume surgeons.
Of course, you can see screwed jobs, as you can see with every kind of surgery. There's a guy on FT that lost a lot of size. But if you read his history, it's shocking the lack of communication between him and his surgeon. His doctor was totally unprofessional. This is why people here strongly advise others to seek high-volume surgeons.

You must remember that when a man gets an implant, it's because his currently penis is not working the way it used to.
If he gets his penis working again with an implant, why would he regret it? Some situations come to my mind: some nerve pain, loss of size, unreal expectations... if you get a high-volume surgeon, the probability of these issues happening is highly diminished.  
1993 born. Brazil.
Peyronies since Sep 2019.
Penis developed curvature, lots of plaque, loss of size and axial rigidity. Severe peyronie.
Mar/21 TEP + Titan Touch 20 cm + 1.5 RTE.

Surgery done by Dr. Marco Tulio Cavalcanti, in São Paulo.