Hirudoid has helped me immensely

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friedrichzuckermann

Hi, bew to this forum,

I just wanted to join to tell my story:

Had peyronies 10 years ago which fully healed on its own, now having it again on the other side of the penis and its not as bad but the ED is there of course plus it hurts this time.

Erections for me are different, sometimes i am fully hard, sometimes im floppy.

So i tried to relieve the infection (because apaprently there is) and tried Hirudoid creme. Its supposed to heal trauma and help with blood vessels (its anti inflammatory).


RESULTS:
I put Hirudoid on the entire penis for two nights straight (bandaged it so it would really soak in it).

After only 2 nights of applying -> pain is gone (I guess it helped against inflammation), the lump is reduced heavily in size (atleast 50%).


I am amazed right now, for people desperate to try new things I ask you to try it and report your findings. I have no idea if it is safe, Im just trying differnt things.

Other methods I am currently trying:
- losing weight, sports,
- Vitamin E


Greetings and good luck to all of you !
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D1990m

I always wondered if scar creams would work. I always figured they're for outer scarring but who knows. They might seep deeper  
30 Years old
injury: October 2017
Progressing every year since

Ved therapy
manual traction
low carb diet
Heat therapy
Very Physically active

Bending very visible during semi erect stage
Minimal bending while fully erect
girth loss and torsion

friedrichzuckermann

Its not actually a cream for outer scars but bruises like hematomas, so its supposed to work under the skin.
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D1990m

Well I'm running to my pharmacy after work and trying this out today  
30 Years old
injury: October 2017
Progressing every year since

Ved therapy
manual traction
low carb diet
Heat therapy
Very Physically active

Bending very visible during semi erect stage
Minimal bending while fully erect
girth loss and torsion

NeoV

Be careful guys. It says not to use it on the genital area.

But that said, I would not be surprised if it helped immensely... Just not sure about side effects. Anyway, keep us updated!

Dressa


LWillisjr

Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
My History

postrocker

hirudoid is amazing for hemorrhoids... Peyronies Disease i don't know.
i'll be waiting for your updates!  
37yo
Congenital curvature plus injury during sex - dec.2019
Curve to the left increase plus pain ~35degrees - nov.2020
Pentox (400mgx3) + Cialis (2.5mg/day) + supplements - dec.2020
Traction - jan.2021 onwards (curve now ~22/25degrees)

friedrichzuckermann

Btw I am not circumcised and it does burn a bit on the glans, my guess is it is not good for the mucuos membrane. However the success is still overwhelming for me, Id rather be able to have an erection, no pain, and no curve. Bet for circumcised people its completely "safe".

Would love to hear from people experiencing heavy pain. This could be a relief for you.

Still applying every night, still no pain, lump still shrunken, had pretty good erections since. Optimism ensues :)
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NeoV

Was the lump a vein/lymphatic vessel? If so, this makes sense.

friedrichzuckermann

No, I have a curve when half erect for 2 months now, slightly ED and pain. So its definitely Peyronies.

Stil applying, lump is still smaller, getting "hot" after erections but erections stronger than every, every day.

Also have to note that I didnt have nightly erections all summer long, so I was expecting something was up.

Applying Hirudoid for the 4th night now! Wish me luck!
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jj21

KEep us updated im iterested in this as well.

I suspect i might have an inflamed vein/lymp
34 Years Old...Peyronies for 4 years. 20 Degree left and upwards curvature, major dents and narrowing, ED.

Implant + Tunica Expansion Procedure, 7th Feb 2023, Titan 22cm +1cm RTE, Partial revision 27th June 23 (fix pump, remove 10ml reservoir).

hope794

26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

jj21

Would there be any risk or harm if the cream got onto your testicles?
34 Years Old...Peyronies for 4 years. 20 Degree left and upwards curvature, major dents and narrowing, ED.

Implant + Tunica Expansion Procedure, 7th Feb 2023, Titan 22cm +1cm RTE, Partial revision 27th June 23 (fix pump, remove 10ml reservoir).

friedrichzuckermann

UPDATE:

Was kind of scared because I didnt have erections at night, and that is what I mostly look for in a healthy penis, however I try once a day to get hard and see what my progress is.

Had the best erection today for MONTHS. No pain, self sustaining.

The lump is still a its smallest.

MAJOR UPDATE:

The 30 degree bend is gone now! The bend was only (but very) visible during a semi erection. Thats gone now


Only worry left: Penis feels hot during the day, not particularly swollen but it feels like an inflammation or increased blood flow. Might be becuase of Peyronies Disease or the Hirudoid cream.

Will apply for the 5th time tonight and then wait if the results will stay for several days.


I would love for others to try it, maybe there is something to this!

Im super stoked by now as I already saw my sex life practically gone. :)
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friedrichzuckermann

Quote from: jj21 on January 22, 2021, 07:33:02 AM
Would there be any risk or harm if the cream got onto your testicles?

I would suspect it would burn a bit. It does tingle on the glans for about 10 minutes or so thats it.
I read it can be harmful to sensitive skin, i.e. if you have ekzemas, rashes, allergies there might be a reaction from the skin.
All good for me so far so Im trying everything to get my dick up and running again ^^
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hope794

I suspect this is a spontaneous recovery. But im really happy for you!!
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

D1990m

30 Years old
injury: October 2017
Progressing every year since

Ved therapy
manual traction
low carb diet
Heat therapy
Very Physically active

Bending very visible during semi erect stage
Minimal bending while fully erect
girth loss and torsion

Asphyxia

Is there a particular reason why you put it on the entire penis?
Do you reckon the effect is amplified if you treat the whole area
Instead of focusing on the troublesome spot?
Age:23. Onset of symptoms: september 2020.
Curve mostly semi erect about 60 degrees, slight pain
Tried short & prolonged fasts, keto,carnivore, traction and most of the supplements.
Severe digestive issues, probably an autoimmune disorder

friedrichzuckermann

Yes, I apply it to the glans for one simple reason: I dont think it really enters the tissue/blood stream through the foreskin only. I have to say I had no allergic reactions or negative reactions from the skin in general. Other people might be more sensitive.

UPDATE:

Pain gone completely
Plaque is down to approx. 10%
Morning erections coming back slowly
erections in general almost back to normal

I applied it for 5 nights in a row and there was definitely something "going" on in the penis, my guess is the cream increases blood flow to such an extreme that the scarring heals faster + the inflammation/scarring gets healed through the cream.

I am so super stoked about my findings, I am 95% sure this is not some random healing but actually because of Hirudoid. I know I sound like a salesman at that point, but I would so love to hear other people have success with it. It would be a medicinal brakthrough and help a lot of people. :D

Currently waiting to see if it was enough for it to heal on its own to 100% (though packaging says for some inner wounds/hematomas it can/should be applied for up to 11 days in a row, several times a day)
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D1990m

I'm having trouble finding that specific brand in our stores. I wonder if another one would work
30 Years old
injury: October 2017
Progressing every year since

Ved therapy
manual traction
low carb diet
Heat therapy
Very Physically active

Bending very visible during semi erect stage
Minimal bending while fully erect
girth loss and torsion

hope794

Bro, no offense, im really happy for you, but u said "Had peyronies 10 years ago which fully healed on its own". You may just have another spontaneous heal. It would be nice to "study" your genetics and understand it, it would be a great resource for the science. Not joking.
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

Bent Ding Dong

I went through a whole tube of this stuff a few years ago, did nothing for my peyronie's.
Age, 40's.

Had peyronie's for more than 10 years. Developed glans lump, then had poor erections and soft glans.

Made a lot of progress over the years with diet and avoidance of sugar and high carbs. Still have the lump but it's much smaller now.

friedrichzuckermann

Quote from: hope794 on January 25, 2021, 04:48:03 PM
You may just have another spontaneous heal.

That literally applies to anyone using medication against a disease. It might be, but I doubt it.

The first time I had it, it took about a year to be completely back to normal. I am currently about 6 months in and it was getting worse and worse. The cream turned it around in a couple of days.

UPDATE: Pain still gone. Cannot locate lump precisely, so no hard lumps anymore, area can still get sore after too much masturbation.
Erections currently back to normal :)

I am still confused about the creams agent, it varies on which you can find on the internet :-\
The brand I use in has  mucopolysaccharide polysulfuric acid ester  as its active agent.



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Asphyxia

Age:23. Onset of symptoms: september 2020.
Curve mostly semi erect about 60 degrees, slight pain
Tried short & prolonged fasts, keto,carnivore, traction and most of the supplements.
Severe digestive issues, probably an autoimmune disorder

Paolo

Interesting, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2141473/

While in normal skin the single administration of heparin and MPS resulted in levels of the same relative magnitude, skin with thinner epidermis and decreased horny layer (keloids) absorbed MPS to a higher degree.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drp/2011/807906/?fbclid=IwAR0zFQv-vX7J2Ma1lpLF77FX2KJtAo7AdWh0IuAp1e9INe4BAh-Z5yLvAzs

Mucopolysaccharide polysulphate (MPS) has been used in medicine as an anti-inflammatory and antithrombotic agent for over 50 years. Its chemical structure permits considerable hydrogen bonding with adjacent water molecules, which effectively leads to hydration of the surrounding tissue. In addition, it stimulates endogenous hyaluronate synthesis, resulting in an increase in water-binding capacity and viscoelasticity of the skin

Typically between 1.7% and 4.6% will be absorbed within 2 to 4 days. Animal studies have also shown that mucopolysaccharide is bound intracellularly within the subcutis.
The types of cells found in the hypodermis are fibroblasts, adipose cells, and macrophages.

My guess is a minimum of 4 weeks is likely required to understand if placebo, or not.

Looking forward to further updates friedrichzuckermann  :)
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

Godisreal

I wonder if a mixture with Hirudoid cream and DMSO would be even more efficient?
It sounds unreasonable to have such an improvement because of this cream.
I'm not ruling it out but it feels like any topical cream would need DMSO to travel further into the tissue.  
30 degree dorsal curve, immobility and heavy loss of girth.
My body seems to get very inflamed when I masturbate too often or eat unhealthy.
Using antioxidants, Pentox and hirudoid cream, as well as manual traction, heat and Cialis.

Asphyxia

Maybe gel would travel further into the tissue?
What do you think?
Age:23. Onset of symptoms: september 2020.
Curve mostly semi erect about 60 degrees, slight pain
Tried short & prolonged fasts, keto,carnivore, traction and most of the supplements.
Severe digestive issues, probably an autoimmune disorder

Paolo

Probably similar efficacy to cream.
If you try it please update thread  :) a 28 day trial will either confirm it as bogus or beneficial in Peyronies Disease.

Movelat Gel also contains Salicylic Acid for those suffering pain.

Also see thread> https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,13394.0.html

Paul.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

friedrichzuckermann

Interesting stuff, but I dont really get your 4 weeks. Cream itself states to apply up to 11 days in a row. Why would it take longer to penetrate the skin on the penis (would guess its faster through the glans)?

I would love for someone  to try it too for like a week and report findings, maybe I was just lucky but it didnt feel like it. Penis felt very different during application, so in my opinion atleast something was going on inside too, some active agent. Would placebo even work in this case? Physical injury?
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Godisreal

Any side-effects, Friedrich?
I want to highlight JJ's questions regarding accidental application of cream on the testicles.
Since, well, I want to try loads of different crap and just apply every day all day etc etc.
But I don't want to accidentally have it on my balls for months and months and end up infertile or something. I know I'm probably reaching but when it's DIY you have to make sure things like this can't happen, don't you think?
30 degree dorsal curve, immobility and heavy loss of girth.
My body seems to get very inflamed when I masturbate too often or eat unhealthy.
Using antioxidants, Pentox and hirudoid cream, as well as manual traction, heat and Cialis.

Juan

Last August 2020, after some days of intense sex, I got the dorsal vein inflamed and hard. The vein got well itself but a lump remained. I used hirudoid for that lump as I thought it could be a trhombus.
But that lump never went away. Its still here annoying me.I think that is a varicose part of the vein.
(All this happened two months before my peyronie onset. I am not saying it was hirudoid the cause)

In fact, I still have half that hirudoid tube. I'll try it untill finish it.
What I have is "HIRUDOID FORTE 4,45 mg/g gel".(bought in Spain)
In the tube says the medicine is "condroitina sulfato de sodio" which in english would mean like "condroitin sodium sulphate".
Is this the same medicine as Mucopolysaccharide polysulphate? or Salicylic Acid?
39 yo. Onset Oct/20. 25º dorsal bend 1cm before glans + high erection angle.
Pentoxifiline 400x3. Tadalafil 2,5. Vit E, D3, K2. Zinc.Omega3. Ubiquinol. ALCAR.
Traction with PMP.

Paolo

juan, Yes, it is the same stuff, but more concentrated, therefore results should come quicker.
Paul.

The product has a 5 Year shelf life lol.

IIRC the OP wrapped his penis to concentrate the cream for a longer period.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

Juan

Paolo, sorry my ignorance , do you mean "condroitin sodium sulphate" is the same (but more concentrated) as "mucopolysaccharide polysulphate" or "salicylic acid"?.

Yesterday I put the cream and the dull pain I was having these days is almost gone.
I didn't wrap my penis. Just put it and let it absorb. Don't want to let the cream touch the glans. Any thoughts about putting the cream also in the glans? In the instructions say to not put in mucosa.

Tonight I'll try again.
39 yo. Onset Oct/20. 25º dorsal bend 1cm before glans + high erection angle.
Pentoxifiline 400x3. Tadalafil 2,5. Vit E, D3, K2. Zinc.Omega3. Ubiquinol. ALCAR.
Traction with PMP.

Paolo

Quote from: Juan on January 28, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Paolo, sorry my ignorance , do you mean "condroitin sodium sulphate" is the same (but more concentrated) as "mucopolysaccharide polysulphate" or "salicylic acid"?.

I didn't wrap my penis. Just put it and let it absorb. Don't want to let the cream touch the glans. Any thoughts about putting the cream also in the glans? In the instructions say to not put in mucosa.

Tonight I'll try again.

I meant to say Hirudoid Forte has 4,45 mg/g of MPS, standard Hirudoid has 3mg/g MPS, that's all.
MPS (Mucopolysaccharide polysulphate) is in skin anyway so I don't see an issue it getting on the glans, may irritate for a few moments but then subside.

Keep us updated, as dependent on you/others I may give it a go, I only have about a 28-30 degree dorsal curve however, lucky in that respect  :)
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

Deek

Hallo Friedrich - könntest Du bitte den genauen Namen deiner Hirudoid Creme nennen - hast Du sie in einer Apotheke oder in einer Drogerie gekauft?

Es klingt wirklich hochinteressant, was Du berichtest - ich würde die Creme auch testen wollen  8)
age: 43
relationship: married
symptoms: ~45 degree bend / curve up
Started October 2019 with bent erection (dent/notch)
Daily Tadalafil
Traction with PMP
VED with one cylinder

Gregd

Quote from: friedrichzuckermann on January 27, 2021, 09:08:02 AM
That literally applies to anyone using medication against a disease. It might be, but I doubt it.

The first time I had it, it took about a year to be completely back to normal. I am currently about 6 months in and it was getting worse and worse. The cream turned it around in a couple of days.

UPDATE: Pain still gone. Cannot locate lump precisely, so no hard lumps anymore, area can still get sore after too much masturbation.
Erections currently back to normal :)

I am still confused about the creams agent, it varies on which you can find on the internet :-\
The brand I use in has  mucopolysaccharide polysulfuric acid ester  as its active agent.

How big were your lumps?
58 yrs old
1st symptoms started after 2 years of using trimix
Developed scar tissue after injections.
Tried most things in the alternative section.
Have ED that somewhat responds to Cialis
Transplanted 6/2/21, Dr. Jonathan Clavell, 24cm Titan

Tortão Pra Direita

1993 born. Brazil.
Peyronies since Sep 2019.
Penis developed curvature, lots of plaque, loss of size and axial rigidity. Severe peyronie.
Mar/21 TEP + Titan Touch 20 cm + 1.5 RTE.

Surgery done by Dr. Marco Tulio Cavalcanti, in São Paulo.

friedrichzuckermann

GENERAL UPDATE:

Pain never to be seen again, though still sore after lots of masturbation (Definitely should tone it down to let it heal, but too interested to test it out now and then)

Lump is now rather a larger spongy area. Sometimes slight curvature can be seen when half erect.

Erections getting better, not quite happy yet, though sex might be possible at this point. Nightly/Morning erections more frequent than in the past 5 months.

Over all it feels like I stopped the so often called "acute" phase. I sincerely hope there is such a thing as a healing phase afterwards because all Im concerned now is my potency, the worsening over the months definitely turned around. Hopeful at last.


Quote from: Gregd on January 31, 2021, 02:11:20 PM
How big were your lumps?

This is tough to say, I believe i still have some plaque from the first Peyronies Disease 10 years ago on the other side, which feels like soft tissue but present when you feel for it. I think the same is happening on the new Peyronies Disease now. There is no hard lump but a larger spongy mass that remains.

Quote from: Deek on January 28, 2021, 09:05:47 AM
Hallo Friedrich - könntest Du bitte den genauen Namen deiner Hirudoid Creme nennen - hast Du sie in einer Apotheke oder in einer Drogerie gekauft?

Es klingt wirklich hochinteressant, was Du berichtest - ich würde die Creme auch testen wollen  8)

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Mehr steht da auch nicht.

Quote from: Juan on January 28, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Paolo, sorry my ignorance , do you mean "condroitin sodium sulphate" is the same (but more concentrated) as "mucopolysaccharide polysulphate" or "salicylic acid"?.

Yesterday I put the cream and the dull pain I was having these days is almost gone.
I didn't wrap my penis. Just put it and let it absorb. Don't want to let the cream touch the glans. Any thoughts about putting the cream also in the glans? In the instructions say to not put in mucosa.

Tonight I'll try again.

That sounds exciting! I put it on the glans in the hope that it would easily enter the bloodstream and also get to the core of the plaque. Keep us updated!
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Mr man

Hyroloid cream is the only.l.cream containing DMSO.
Latest routine. Started l-lysine 3mg daily, l-proline 5mg daily. Increased vit c intake. Accompanied with almost daily vacuum therapy. Pumping to 100% Exercise caution! Made good progress. L arginine supplements and prescribed potaba are helping.

markdubby

any update on this? very interesting to see if other people have had success!
30, ~20-30 degrees right bend beginning of 02/2021. Small plaque under gland on right side of the shaft
04/21 Plaque right side under glans
07/21 plaque by base
10 deg curvature at base + narrowing
1.8 g Citrulline 2-3 g ALCAR, 6-8h daily with PM

BillyJynx

I ordered Hirudoid (MPS 0.3%) on eBay, and have applied quite a bit the past two days. Don't want to jump the gun but my spider veins have faded a lot in flaccid state. No way near as raised and prominent. Can't say much for plaques yet but have had a lot of strong tingling in the area since. So something must be going on.  
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BillyJynx

Day 4 of use, plaque genuinely feels smaller/softer now, harder to palpate for that apple pip firmness. If anything this, alongside mangesium oil and nofap have brought my inflammation down a ton.
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markdubby

has the curvature improved at all?
30, ~20-30 degrees right bend beginning of 02/2021. Small plaque under gland on right side of the shaft
04/21 Plaque right side under glans
07/21 plaque by base
10 deg curvature at base + narrowing
1.8 g Citrulline 2-3 g ALCAR, 6-8h daily with PM

BillyJynx

Not really I don't think. Occasionally have high erection angle but mainly curve when semi flaccid which straightens out. I don't know if Hirudoid is less or more effective on calcified plaques, if it could work safely with DMSO to absorb deeper.
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TWalker

Any update from you friedrichzuckermann?

Have also just started using Hirudoid cream.

Think I'm about 3 months into the acute phase- I have an indentation on circumference of the right side which feels constricted though can't feel a clear plaque there and 3 weeks ago noticed the emergence of an additional indentation on the left side parallel to the one on the right (hourglass developing perhaps) + a pea sized nodule (presumably a plaque?) in that location which disappears into the indentation when erect.

Very keen to hear how friedrichzuckermann and BillyJynx or anyone else is finding the Hirudoid cream and ALSO if anyone has any tips to manage developing indentations- extremely worried and keen to prevent things deteriorating as much as possible so if you guys think VED/supplements/injections of anything could be useful I'm all ears! :)
27, Peyronies Disease started 4 months ago after sex injury- still progressing. Dad had Peyronies Disease
1 plaque on each side opposite each other near base- causing indentations on side and top and thus hourglassing- could be 1 circumferential scar?
Pentox, Cialis, L-Citrulline

AlterEgo

We are mad scientists here lol any updates on the cream?
42 male
main symptoms are hollow feeling shaft
scar tissue on corporas shown on ultrasound
Loss of girth, weak flaccid skin sensitive

Asphyxia

2nd day of using the cream, no apparent results, now its slightly itchy only where the scar is even though i put it all over my dick, normal or allergic reaction?
Age:23. Onset of symptoms: september 2020.
Curve mostly semi erect about 60 degrees, slight pain
Tried short & prolonged fasts, keto,carnivore, traction and most of the supplements.
Severe digestive issues, probably an autoimmune disorder

TWalker

Great that a few of us are trying it now- would be great to have a few more onboard... one positive result is interesting but could easily be coincidence (and update Friedrich or BillyJynx!?) If we can get 10+ trying it and we get a few positives then perhaps we're onto a winner!

I'm using the cream twice a day and really massaging it in to nodule/plaque area for 3 mins.

Fingers crossed amigos...We're certainly mad scientists!!
27, Peyronies Disease started 4 months ago after sex injury- still progressing. Dad had Peyronies Disease
1 plaque on each side opposite each other near base- causing indentations on side and top and thus hourglassing- could be 1 circumferential scar?
Pentox, Cialis, L-Citrulline

Winter

Hi everyone. I should have posted on the introduce yourself first, but I was eager to report my experience on this topic.
I have been using the cream for the past 4 days and I am very excited with the progress.
day 1
A little growing burning sensation scared me at first, but it cooled down after a few minutes. I avoided the glans and testicles. It was a little itchy all night long.
day 2
No burning feeling or itching whatsoever. No changes on the lumps.
day 3
No burning or itching, but I started to few better about my penis. I noticed the lumps slightly softer. Maybe it was just an impression.
day 4
I am very happy today. Feeling the lumps noticeably softer. Less painful as well. Woke up with a huge morning erection that made me very happy.
I don't dismiss some sort of placebo effect, but I don't care.

Eager to use the cream another day. I don't know how long I will apply it. Perhaps 10 days an then rest a bit. Open for suggestions.
Praying for some permanent improvements.  
41 yo, married. Onset on 07/20. Flare up on 07/21. Brand new flare up 01/23. Indentations and hourglass. It still hurts sometimes; No erectile dysfunction. Taking Pentox, Cialis, Supplements, trying diets, fasting, VED and manual traction.
God bless