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Re: Hirudoid has helped me immensely
« Reply #150 on: June 04, 2022, 10:13:07 AM »

You want scar tissue broken down, not healthy tissue. This is what the manufacturer and 2 doctors explained to me. The cream might not target just scar tissue but collagen in healthy tissue too.
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« Reply #151 on: June 05, 2022, 02:09:47 PM »

How is it misinformation when I quoted the manufacturer and I've been told by two doctors??

I said it CAN break down collagen, not it DEFINITELY WILL - although given those sources i think it is likely it would .Just trying to communicate that this is a bad idea and that other alternatives for pain are much better and safer. Jeeesh.

I appreciate that your concern is coming from good intentions but I do not think you are expressing them in a constructive way for this forum. What you are doing is taking vague anecdotal evidence and interpreting it as fact. You could have stopped a few posts ago by simply saying 'I would advice against it but it is up to everyone to decide what they want to apply to their own bodies'. Full stop.

Instead, you take something that is extremely indefinite and make the argument that peoples' penises will be weakened and that people 'will probably need an implant'. THAT is misinformation.
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« Reply #152 on: July 11, 2022, 08:27:11 AM »

In a desperate attempt to help myself with this to remove the scar tissue plaque I gave this a shot:

Day 1: Moderate amount applies to the hard-bone-like area of scarring on the left side of the shaft, a few other small areas, an the midsection which is... well... partially 'bent' from a 'minor fracture/injury' a year ago approx. Nothing much to report.

Day 2: Same amount same areas, possibly a negligible amount of change or reduction in spider-veins.

Day 3: Although reduced feeling is an anticipated thing when there is scarring on the penis, applying this cream may have temp reduced the feeling even more just slightly. Same deal, possibly I am noticing some slight reduction in plaque volume.

Day 4: Skip.

Day 5: Just applied it 10 mins ago.

Has anyone else here noticed a slight reduction in feeling from using the cream?
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« Reply #153 on: July 15, 2022, 09:28:03 PM »

If you think you have lost sensation then why on Earth would you continue?

I would stop now.
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« Reply #154 on: July 25, 2022, 07:46:52 AM »

^I had reduced sensation previously due to the scarring, with this, I *may* have noticed a reduction in swelling, pain (presumably because of a slight numbing effect, I don't think this is a side effect but rather just part of the product/ingredient), possibly scarring which is what I tried it for. The loss of sensation isn't a loss of feeling exactly it's that numbing effect which is why other users here report that it helps pain. It also like another user said, made the erections temp 'soft' but I CAN still get a full one.

Idk, you're right I think i'll give this a miss, castor oil didn't do much either because it won't absorb, coconut oil maybe?

With that injury, plus very minor "wear and tear" (?) injuries since then, the shape of my downstairs area is, seriously, quite bent, even more so to the left than previously since using the cream although I can't see how this could make it worse, if anyones guess, it may have 'dissolved' the scar tissue which held the structure of the CC in place somewhat, which in turn caused it to become lopsided. yeah... my main concern is the scarring, i'd really like to get rid of that. hopeful thinking to think this would work, i'll just get rid of it.
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« Reply #155 on: August 17, 2022, 07:15:58 AM »

Hello my dear guys,

On the occasion of a little few days return on the forum, and before a big annual post about my progress and what could help our community, I just wanted to make you a little Hirudoid (Forte version) update here.

So here's the summary of the events:
- For about 6 to 8 months, I applied the cream and/or gel daily in copious amounts, from tip (including glans) to base, often times several times a day. The anti-inflammatory and painkiller effect was huge, immediate, systematic and unprecedented. The only little side-effect I had to report, apart from a minor tingling on the penis, was a little rise of general allergic sensitivity (something with very little significance compared to the unheard benefits after years of daily pain).

- These last 6 months, as the pain has greatly subsided and just flares up with energic sex or masturbation, I have switched to gel only (which I finally find a little more effective and much more convenient), which I still apply in very generous amounts, especially when I use it as a masturbation lubricant. Still no side effects to report, and I deem the histaminogenic effect is now even gone or very attenuated.

In conclusion, I still, and will never be able to stress enough how much this crap has been an unsuspected miracle for me. I don't know how exactly how it works (it's suppose to alleviate vein inflammation... Which is supposed to be peripherical or irrelevant in Peyronies Disease?!), I don't know if it will work for a large part of our community, but I deeply hope so as it works wonders for me and contributed to give me back my life. I really, really encourage anyone with acute or chronic pain to try it, even in small and progressive amounts at first if you do want to, although I can now state with a pretty amount of certainty that this thing is totally cock-friendly.

Hope it will help bros; I'll be around for the next few days if you have any additional questions :-) !!

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« Reply #156 on: August 31, 2022, 10:12:04 PM »

Hello everyone im quite new to this forum. I recently bought the hirudoid forte gel 4,45mg..

I only tried it once two days ago, and my erections are so soft now my penis is extremely elastic which i at first thought was a good sign, but my erections are super soft i am not sure whats going on down there, am a bit worried..
Applied it to the glans and everywhere on my penis
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« Reply #157 on: September 01, 2022, 09:07:37 PM »

stay away from this gel/creme for gods sake, i believe my healthy tissue is breaking down
if you google "hirudoid broke down my penis" and on JustAnswers you will find several others with the same issue..
This is outrageous and i deeply regret trying this. I hope it will be fine only did it once

edit: check out this: https://www.justanswer.com/medical/j9cg0-used-hirudoid-forte-penis-suggested-men.html
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« Reply #158 on: September 03, 2022, 11:19:46 AM »

stay away from this gel/creme for gods sake, i believe my healthy tissue is breaking down
if you google "hirudoid broke down my penis" and on JustAnswers you will find several others with the same issue..
This is outrageous and i deeply regret trying this. I hope it will be fine only did it once

edit: check out this: https://www.justanswer.com/medical/j9cg0-used-hirudoid-forte-penis-suggested-men.html

Multiple people warned about the absolutely retarded idea of rubbing this on your genitals when it has ZERO scientific evidence is does anything against penile fibrosis. You will be fine, trust me. Only thing you need to do now is to completely forget about it and never try such stupid ideas again. The last thing you want to do now is panic because then your anxiety will only lead to softer erections again and again.

Relax and believe me when I say you will be fine. Only trying it once is almost impossible to create the kind of damage you are talking about.
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« Reply #159 on: September 05, 2022, 03:25:44 PM »

How many more guys is it going to take to harm themselves with this stuff to get this thread or any thread mentioning Hirudoid banned???

There are a bunch of guys on here that say it made them soft. There are threads on Just Answer of guys  speaking with  actual doctors  saying what this stuff did to them and that  it might be permanent.

I find the OP and Gabriel to be very suspect in the promotion of  this cream - a cream that the manufacturer states SHOULD NOT BE USED ON THE GENITALS. A cream that NO UROLOGIST RECOMMENDS for the use on the penis for Peyronie's. And a cream that through my own research in speaking with the manufacturer and discussions with my own doctors is capable of breaking down collagen (thus the more elastic, softer penis effect.)

Steen, I am sorry for your experience with this. Do not ever use it again. However, I agree with the other poster that it probably will be temporary, but may take some time for it to heal and strengthen again. The body is an amazing marvel at healing itself.

Best of luck.

Anyone new reading this, please go through this entire thread and pay attention to all of the warnings. Hawk said this may be a prank from the start. Ask your doctor for a safe FDA approved solution to your pain and STAY AWAY FROM HIRUDOID! 
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« Reply #160 on: September 05, 2022, 04:25:06 PM »

@Hawk

I agree with Moochalaki. I don't think it helps anyone on the forum when threads like these get started. As the poster above stated the cream specifically says not to apply it on the genitals yet posters on here and various other forums go try it out and I cannot judge them because I know the desperation many take to try and overcome this disease. Just my two cents.

I do not for one second believe anyone who says this helped them to battle fibrosis in the penis..
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« Reply #161 on: September 06, 2022, 07:45:29 AM »

Regarding legit actors i was following neos youtube channel he definitely seems legit and he liked this cream

its been a week. Feels like am walking around without a penis, not sure if i feel like a young boy or an old man. The structure seems to be gone or its very loose. I have an appointment thursday with urology, will take ultrasound and possibly mri.


Not sure if its smart to continue with cialis and citruline and near infrared light currently
Im looking into HGH or ibutamoren mk677 i have the latter available so think i will start using it. It seems promising for healing tissues

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« Reply #162 on: September 06, 2022, 09:10:16 AM »

Neo disappeared after making that video on Hirudoid. He hasn't really been on here or YouTube since. He talked about it making his penis feel really "elastic." He claimed to be rubbing it all over. If anyone could get a hold of him, I'd love to know how his condition is but he has been MIA for about a year after being a frequent presence here.

Neo, if you are out there, can you chime in please?

It seems that people who only applied to the troublesome spot on the shaft didn't suffer any difficulties. It is the guys that apply to the glans that seem to have the trouble, probably because it makes it's way inside whereas the penile shaft skin might just be enough to keep it from penetrating the tissues.

I would hold off on using anything until you see a doctor. Good luck, man. I hope things turn around. I think they will.

And anyone else reading this,  please DO NOT USE HIRUDOID. There is no good reason too. It isn't meant for the penis and it has harmed several men at this point.



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« Reply #163 on: September 06, 2022, 09:32:20 AM »

Neo disappeared after making that video on Hirudoid. He hasn't really been on here or YouTube since. He talked about it making his penis feel really "elastic." He claimed to be rubbing it all over. If anyone could get a hold of him, I'd love to know how his condition is but he has been MIA for about a year after being a frequent presence here.

Neo, if you are out there, can you chime in please?

It seems that people who only applied to the troublesome spot on the shaft didn't suffer any difficulties. It is the guys that apply to the glans that seem to have the trouble, probably because it makes it's way inside whereas the penile shaft skin might just be enough to keep it from penetrating the tissues.

I would hold off on using anything until you see a doctor. Good luck, man. I hope things turn around. I think they will.

And anyone else reading this,  please DO NOT USE HIRUDOID. There is no good reason too. It isn't meant for the penis and it has harmed several men at this point.

Thanks for the well wishes.

Ive seen Neo occasionally, if he had a negative experience with it surely he would be the type to go out and warn everyone about it. I used the geln not the crem maybe he used the cream and it didnt really absorb as well into the tissues as the gel, I dont know, hope he chimes in
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« Reply #164 on: September 06, 2022, 10:29:45 AM »

Where have you seen him? He hasn't made anymore videos, I know that. No new videos since last summer - when he made the Hirudoid video. And he hasn't posted since 10/21. Idk. Maybe he has shifted his focus to something else.

Anyways, this cream is A BAD IDEA and NO ONE should be promoting it anymore. That much is certain.
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« Reply #165 on: September 06, 2022, 10:39:45 AM »

Speaking of Neo I hope he is doing well. Havn't heard anything from him in a year.
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« Reply #166 on: September 06, 2022, 10:50:05 AM »

Where have you seen him? He hasn't made anymore videos, I know that. No new videos since last summer - when he made the Hirudoid video. And he hasn't posted since 10/21. Idk. Maybe he has shifted his focus to something else.

Anyways, this cream is A BAD IDEA and NO ONE should be promoting it anymore. That much is certain.

You're right the hirudoid video was in june 2021 and he stopped posting in october 2021, i must have mixed him with another account.
Anyway he clearly had no issues with this cream, or else he would have said so. but yeah this thing sucks, part of me hopes its the peyronies that got worse, but I don't think its a coincidence that my penis suddenly is like rubber right after
starting hirudoid, clearly others have the same issue.
I feel so stupid now obviously. There were warnings, but was kind of desperate, and many others recommending it made me more comfortable trying it
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« Reply #167 on: September 06, 2022, 11:31:55 AM »

Who knows really what happened with his experience? Just interesting that he disappeared shortly after his video and right about the same time men started reporting bad results..... All I know is is that trusting some anonymous(or pseudo anonymous like Neo) dude on the internet instead of a real life doc who can be held accountable for suggesting something harmful is just not a good idea. Neo is not a doctor, nor are 99% of the people on here.

If it occurred right after using the cream then yes, of course, there has to be a connection. Your Peyronie's would not just progress that quickly.

The good news is that body is always working to get back to homeostasis so anything that has changed (strength, shrinkage, etc) I would guess will regenerate and you'll be fine.

Just don't do anything else unless you get a doctor's approval.

That is the thing - so many of us are in agony over this and are sometimes desperate (especially  with the awful nagging pain) for things to end that we seek answers because the real FDA, doctor approved ones aren't fast enough or work as well as we hope they will.

Hang in there, bro.
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« Reply #168 on: September 06, 2022, 11:36:14 AM »

Who knows really what happened with his experience? Just interesting that he disappeared shortly after his video and right about the same time men started reporting bad results..... All I know is is that trusting some anonymous(or pseudo anonymous like Neo) dude on the internet instead of a real life doc who can be held accountable for suggesting something harmful is just not a good idea. Neo is not a doctor, nor are 99% of the people on here.

If it occurred right after using the cream then yes, of course, there has to be a connection. Your Peyronie's would not just progress that quickly.

The good news is that body is always working to get back to homeostasis so anything that has changed (strength, shrinkage, etc) I would guess will regenerate and you'll be fine.

Just don't do anything else unless you get a doctor's approval.

That is the thing - so many of us are in agony over this and are sometimes desperate (especially  with the awful nagging pain) for things to end that we seek answers because the real FDA, doctor approved ones aren't fast enough or work as well as we hope they will.

Hang in there, bro.

The problem is finding a doctor that is qualified to evaluate this matter.  if you see the recommendations the people get from different doctors on Just Answer it seems like they don't know either they are just guessing and they have different takes aswell
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« Reply #169 on: September 06, 2022, 12:07:13 PM »

The problem is finding a doctor that is qualified to evaluate this matter.

Boom. Not more I can add to that. Every single urologist I've seen over here in Sweden, I would get better help seeking advice from a brick wall or a tree.

Over half the percentage of men do not even seek help for this condition, I have read that estimations are that a very much larger amount of men out there suffer from this than we know because over half do not seek medical attention and those who do there is a very large amount who get treated like we are absolute morons by the doctors. They palpate your dick and send you out the door with a prescription of tadalafil..
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« Reply #170 on: September 06, 2022, 02:16:25 PM »

Sonic, our "condition" is a "taboo" for the general population, is something that nobody talks about, how the hell they suppose to find a "cure".
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« Reply #171 on: September 07, 2022, 04:13:39 AM »

Can someone else who has been damaged by this cream please chime in, i want to know if theres any hope. I know user "forgen" whos last post last post was one year ago had the exact same issue.
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« Reply #172 on: September 09, 2022, 08:11:29 AM »

It has come to my attention that Hawk banned user forgen for fear mongering and deleted Hirudoid threads who was desperately trying to warn us about this cream
Why the [email protected]< would you do that??
This could easily have been avoided, I'm distraught my penis is gone..
You shouldn't be moderating this forum, im feeling sick in my stomach...

And why cant I find "alternative treatment of Peyronies Disease in the menu" anymore?
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« Reply #173 on: September 10, 2022, 06:38:45 AM »

I'm 99% sure Hawk himself thinks the idea of rubbing this garbage on your penis to reverse peyronies is a stupid idea so it's unfair to shift part of your blame on him.

You are saying you put hirudoid cream once on your penis and it's gone... I'm not sure what to believe now at first I thought you were genuinely serious now it sounds like you are trolling over here.

I wil repeat, if you are serious you need to STOP WORRYING. You will be 100% fine if you did indeed only try it out once.

As for the Alternative Treatment board it is still there!
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« Reply #174 on: September 10, 2022, 08:45:40 AM »

Hey guys,

Work i starting to ramp up again so I'll have to be less present here for some time, but before that, after reading the dual-monologous answers by Steen and Moochalaki, I strongly wanted to make a few things clear here:

- If anyone here had to "take only your doctor advice and don't try anything out of the tracks", I think that less of 20% of the folks would have improved their condition whatsoever. By history and now almost by definition, Peyronies Disease has almost no strong academic, randomized-control data to support any proper treatment that would be safe and efficient. That's precisely why we are all here. If I had to just take my doctor's advice, I would still be in excruciating penile pain everyday, with a sexlife reduce to nothing and a never-ending depression (and I saw 3 of the finest Peyronies Disease urologist in Europe several times).

- Steen, man, from reading your sentences, it seems pretty clear that you are taken over by a lot of anxiety, which is totally normal and understandable. Nevertheless, this leads you to irrational claims, speculations and warnings, that can turn terribly counterproductive for the community: ie, no, Hirudoid has not "harmed so many men already"; no, it's not by never experimenting something out of doctor's recommendations (or absence thereof) that you will multiply your chances to get out of this living hell (eg if it wasn't for my own research/testing, I would never have discovered curcumin and boswellia which also did wonders for me); and no, this topic is not a prank, Neo is not dead somewhere in Kyoto's mountains from penile-melting for having rubbed his junk with some cream, and for myself, after all the time, energy, devotion, honesty and positivity I've been trying to give to this forum for 5 years now, I find your allegations highly preposterous.

- Again, I have applied and still apply when needed copious amounts of Hirudoid everywhere on my penis, sometimes several times a day, with no more effects than an immediate relief in pain. If it was'nt for trying this stuff out of the blue from an obscure recommendation of an obscure new member here, I would still be down in deep hell. So just follow common sense: at the time you deplete all the basic advice and processes listed in the Peyronie's survival kit on the forum, experiment cautiously any thing you deem possible, using simple reflexion and basic scientific method (ie, for instance with any cream or onguent, apply a small dose somwhere on your skin outside of your penis, then a higher dose at the same place, then a small dose on your penis, then a higher dose, etc. etc.; evaluate the effect, then discontinue the treatment for one or two weeks, and then go back to it: as for supplements or any wannabe treatment, this is how you ensure that something is working or not, and in a safe way).


So, hope this helps clear things; Steen, bro, you can't imagine how much of Erectile Dysfunction is psychological, even when you seem 100% sure that the cause may be physical and consecutive to a tangible event (I've learnt that the hard way along those painful 5 years). Good news is, beginning a psychological path with a professionnal can be an efficient and wonderful adventure, that can dissolve some underlying causes of anxiety that you didn't even figure to be possible, with later positive impact on your sexual life and EQ (that's precisely what happened to me).

Good luck, and stay strong,

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« Reply #175 on: September 10, 2022, 08:40:36 PM »

I have watched this thread and become fascinated with it because I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN. I knew something was fishy and I knew we'd see an other man become a victim of this stupid, terrible idea.

Gabriel, stop promoting this cream. Do not make another post about how much you love it. If it has saved your sex life, great. Now go away and f*ck into the sunset.  There are several men on Just Answer that have had conversations with real doctors about how this weakened their penises. And these doctors say it should never be used on the penis. Go look it up.

THE MANUFACTURER OF THIS CREAM STATES NOT TO USE IT ON THE GENITALS. What more do you need?

There are a few men (possibly more that haven't sounded off) on here that have said this weakened their erections.

Any mention of Hirudoid needs to be banned from this site. Now.

Hawk, do you want this on your conscience? Is it worth it for the sake of your beloved forum to allow Gabriel to keep shouting the glories of this cream when it seems NOBODY ELSE has benefited from it and that some men have been permanently harmed???

Shut this down now. Enough is enough.
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« Reply #176 on: September 11, 2022, 05:37:31 AM »

There are a few things here that need to be clarified:

- I want to reiterate that hirudoid is not a potent cream, it is a light anti-inflammatory cream used for varicose veins. It does not break down healthy tissue

- People are free to try it out if they wish, some people report feeling better after using it, others do not

- This cream targets the skin and it is highly unlikely that it reaches the actual corpus

- Since it targets the skin, it is advised not to use it on sensitive skin, i.e. around the eyes or genitals because it might cause skin irritation, not because it breaks down your penis.

- Neither Gabriel nor I am promoting the cream or singing its praise, we are simply pointing out how far particularly moochalaki and steen go in terms of wanting to ban this cream and accusing the forum moderators of 'hiding' the harmful effects of this over-the-counter cream.

- We cannot ban the discussion of different treatments on this forum. The whole premise of this forum IS to discuss various treatments and share information and insights.
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« Reply #177 on: September 11, 2022, 07:05:23 AM »

Forgen and Steen have been harmed. Why isn’t that enough?

Hirudoid goes to the dermis later.

“Scientific studies have shown that the MPS in Hirudoid penetrates to the dermis layer in effective concentrations to heal bruises fast.”

https://hirudoid.com.sg/hirudoid/

This is not some harmless cream like a superficial moisturizer. It goes down deep and gets your to blood vessels. It is a blood thinner and should not be mixed with pentoxide, cialis and any other blood manipulation drugs or supplements.

No one should use it. Doctors and the manufacturer state not to use it .

Why do you insist on defending it, Curve? If one guy has his dick messed up for life why isn’t that enough to say DONT USE IT GUYS? But now we have multiple men claiming they have problems because of it. Why would men on here and Just Answer make this up? There are enough testimonials not to declare this UNSAFE.

And why has the never shy Neo gone missing? Who made a video saying this stuff is great -his second to last video?

Besides Gabriel and the OP (who disappeared after 1 week of posts) that has “rubbed it all over including the glans “ has benefitted?

Forgen,Sanabo, Steen, and a few others have talked about negative effects. That should be enough.

Oh yeah and ummmm DOCTORS and the MANUFACTURER SAY NOT TO USE IT!

Stop defending and promoting this NOT MEANT FOR THE PENIS cream.

Ban any mention of this cream now please, Hawk. Something is rotten in Denmark.
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« Reply #178 on: September 11, 2022, 07:12:38 AM »

And Gabriel is absolutely singing it’s praises. And he is the only one. NOBODY ELSE sees any benefit. But several state harm.

And you are absolutely defending it for some unknown reason.

Do me a favor - call 3 doctors, 3 pharmacists  and and contact the manufacturer and then come back here and tell us if they think this should go on your dick.

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« Reply #179 on: September 11, 2022, 10:53:58 AM »

random semi-related update:
I still have sensation in the penis and can feel pleasure from sex to a degree but I can't feel pleasure from masturbation as much, so yes DON'T USE IT but if you have I think you'll be fine. The cream, well, honestly and worryingly it probably made it slightly worse but I've stopped using it and the sensation is coming back to it's previous level which was slightly better; the scar tissue or plaque does basically make it much harder to feel anything given that the sensory nerves as I'm sure ya'll know are behind it.

Hello everyone im quite new to this forum. I recently bought the hirudoid forte gel 4,45mg..

I only tried it once two days ago, and my erections are so soft now my penis is extremely elastic which i at first thought was a good sign, but my erections are super soft i am not sure whats going on down there, am a bit worried..
Applied it to the glans and everywhere on my penis
Same thing.
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Can get an erection.

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« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2022, 03:06:57 PM »

FlatteningTheCurve,

Thanks man for clarifying the sky a little here, because it is clearly getting cloudy...

Moochalaki, Ballasto, I've been on this forum for a long time now, relentlessly experimenting things and reporting in the most methodolical way I could in order to help a maximum of our friends. Go read my few but very thorough topics. I do have the pride to think that they are worth providing me a degree of trustworthiness that trumps a few alarmed, unexperimented, anxiety-intense and offensives posts around a cream that very likely does absolutely nothing to the integrity of your penis.

Now, if you don't want to try it, don't; anyway it does seem like it works for small number of us, maybe due to an unknown special characteristic of our condition (I know for instance that I am among the very few here for whom the pain never went away after 2+ years). But once again, and for the last time, if I haden't try 1000 unexpected things to counter this hellish disease, including this cream, I would still be in a terrible physical and mental state here. Food for thought.

May you find something that works for you too.

All the best,

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- Pain almost cured with Hirudoid cream and diet/lifestyle changes (see my topics on this); deformity still here, but partly reduced with traction + VED.

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« Reply #181 on: September 11, 2022, 03:48:49 PM »

Ok, Gabriel. So what do you say to Steen, Forgen, Sanabo, Unsureincognito, healthy consumption, and graggaxy who have had varying negative experiences (from sensation reduction to soft erections) then?

Why are there several Just Answer discussions with doctors where men are saying they have permanent damage and the doctors tell them that the cream could have destroyed the tissues?

What I think is the case here is that men that only apply to the shaft are ok. Men that apply to the glans seem to be the ones that have the worst reactions.

But you are pretty much the only guy that says it works well. Neo and Zuckermann fell off the face of the Earth aftr promoting it so it is suspect that they had positive experiences. Maybe they ruined their dicks and can't bear to show their faces.

Most people say it did nothing or that it caused some degree of harm. Very few people besides you sing its praises.

I don't believe you for a second that your experience is true. And I think with the number of men that have bad experiences that if you have any decency you will consider yourself lucky (again, if you are telling the truth at all) and not promote this anymore so that this thread will disappear down the list and newbies won't even see it.

Enjoy your relief (if real) and let this topic fade away.

This cream is too much of a risk for anyone to take. That is plain to see.

Please, stop promoting this.
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« Reply #182 on: September 13, 2022, 04:46:45 AM »

There is no way an OTC cream damaged the tissue in your penis. Dr Trost doesn't even believe a tablet could have any effect on peyronies.

The user above who stated "I still have sensation in the penis and can feel pleasure from sex to a degree but I can't feel pleasure from masturbation as much, so yes DON'T USE I" - This sounds like a psychological issue

Neo has been less active on the forum and youtube for a while, this isn't related to his hirudoid post.

Be open to the fact that, you guys may be overthinking it, suffering from anxiety, or your condition is simply worsening over time (very common).

Any therapy here which has been tried by members, but not researched, is to be taken at their own risk. Most common treatments which have been studied are: VED, traction, cialis daily, Trental - stick to them (at your own risk).

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« Reply #183 on: September 13, 2022, 11:04:39 AM »

JJ,

Are you a doctor? Do you work for the manufacturer? Are you a psychiatrist? Have you used the product ALL OVER your penis including the glans?

Because if you are not any of the above then you have absolutely no evidence/grounds to refute:

  • the bad experiences of several men on this forum and elsewhere on the internet
  • the manufacturer's statement that this should not go on the penis
  • that this is simply anxiety
  • that this cream is a harmless OTC product akin to a topical moisturizer

This cream reaches the dermis. Nearly any other cream mentioned on this site besides DSMO is a topical agent meaning it only gets into the top layer of your skin. Reaching the dermis means it goes deep into the tissue and accesses blood vessels. This cream is designed to dissolve the collagen in scars and to take action on blood vessels.

Here is a direct quote from the manufacturer when I asked about the safety of this product:

In addition, clinical experience has shown an effect of MPS on hydration and a loosening or softening on scar tissue. A clinical study applying Hirudoid in hypertrophic scars and keloids improved the appearance of these scars specifically their hardness and elevation compared to placebo (Shimzu 1974).  When applied on surgically treated keloids there was an improvement in wound healing and scar formation (Larsson 1986). Another study found an association between accumulation of hyaluronic acid (a different mucopolysaccharide to that of Hirudoid), and decreased collagen in the Achilles tendon of rabbits, indicating a collagenolytic activity. I was not able to find specific information on the activity of MPS, but given the clinical effect on scars, it is likely that Hirudoid is able to break down collagen as well.

Here is a direct quote from a doctor on Just Answer:

it tends to dissolve the excess collagen but the risk is that it reduces the structural integrity of the ligaments and connective tissue

Here is what the manufacturer says about use on the genitals and mucous membrane (glans):

SHOULD NOT BE USED on: Sensitive areas of skin, such as near the eyes, mouth or genital areas.
Mucous membranes, such as inside the mouth or nose.


So, do you think you are more qualified then all those resources?

Also, why isn't it available AT ALL in the US?

So, if you  are so confident it's harmless why don't you order some. rub it all over yourself and then come back and tell us how you're doing.

Until then, can you please stop discrediting and disrespecting people that actually have used it and are reporting back that it isn't safe? And also, discrediting and disrespecting the authoritative resources that are far more qualified then you - and just about everyone here - to speak on the potential dangerous effects it may have on a man?




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« Reply #184 on: September 13, 2022, 08:20:31 PM »

There is no way an OTC cream damaged the tissue in your penis. Dr Trost doesn't even believe a tablet could have any effect on peyronies.

The user above who stated "I still have sensation in the penis and can feel pleasure from sex to a degree but I can't feel pleasure from masturbation as much, so yes DON'T USE I" - This sounds like a psychological issue

Neo has been less active on the forum and youtube for a while, this isn't related to his hirudoid post.

Be open to the fact that, you guys may be overthinking it, suffering from anxiety, or your condition is simply worsening over time (very common).

Any therapy here which has been tried by members, but not researched, is to be taken at their own risk. Most common treatments which have been studied are: VED, traction, cialis daily, Trental - stick to them (at your own risk).

J



Ridiculous comment. I had hard erections just before applying the gel, the next morning my flaccid was like rubber and still is and my erections are soft. A condition doesn't just worsen that much over night.
I have no issues with my mental health. Maybe Hirudoid interacted with Cialis or citrulline or whatever supplement am taking but its clear that this has done significant damage.
I find hope that people have seen improvements over time.

Stay away from Hirudoid!
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« Reply #185 on: September 14, 2022, 06:47:18 AM »

I'm certain a doctor will tell you the same thing, that it's unlikely hirudoid will have any effect on peyronies, especially overnight.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, just that the guy who suffered Erectile Dysfunction from applying hirudoid once, may benefit from being open to the fact that the Erectile Dysfunction, may be psychological.

Hoping your condition improves nonetheless.

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« Reply #186 on: September 14, 2022, 07:18:53 AM »

I'm certain a doctor will tell you the same thing, that it's unlikely hirudoid will have any effect on peyronies, especially overnight.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, just that the guy who suffered Erectile Dysfunction from applying hirudoid once, may benefit from being open to the fact that the Erectile Dysfunction, may be psychological.

Hoping your condition improves nonetheless.

J


Youre talking like a doctor is our god given authority and has all the facts. Which doctor is truly qualified to evaluate such a specific matter where they have no prior cases and no knowledge on what this particular gel can do alone or in combinations with cialis for example?

My penis is reduced to lose skin immediately after applying gel, of course a doctor would tell me its just psyclogical, its must easier than for his ego do admit that he just doesnt know and even if he did theres nothing he could do anyway. My urologist even encouraged me to use this gel after i took it to his office and showed it to him.
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« Reply #187 on: September 14, 2022, 07:19:59 AM »

@Steen

I know it's easier said than done but you need to find a doc to perfrom an erected ultrasound to confirm 100% wether something is wrong or if serious damage has been done.

Nothing will get better by complaining in this thread daily. Try to get this done and then update us with the results.
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« Reply #188 on: September 14, 2022, 01:25:10 PM »

Hi everyone,

I am Forgen. Hawk banned me because I reported the exact same effects Steen is now reporting about one year ago.

What happened to me was real. It was not psychological and, although I have seen some improvements, I am not back to normal.

If I was not discredited, maligned and kicked off of this site then Steen wouldn't be writing you about this today.

I tried to warn everyone because I did not want anyone else to have to go through what I experienced.

If you delete me or kick me out because you don't like the fact that I am telling the truth then you are all choosing to allow men to get hurt.

Leave this post for others to see, please. Do the right thing.

What does anyone have to gain by saying don't use this? Why would I care so much if someone chose to use a harmless cream? It makes no sense for me or anyone else to come on here and say no this cream is dangerous.

This cream can cause you serious harm. Trust me. It's the truth.

If you ban me administrators, then you are guilty in the future suffering of other men.

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« Reply #189 on: September 14, 2022, 02:03:06 PM »

*correction for previous post

It makes no sense for me to come one here and say no don't use it, it is dangerous just to stir things up. If it were a miracle cream for pain like Gabriel says it is I would fully support it.

But it isn't and it will hurt.

Those that tried it and didn't get hurt probably only applied to the shaft and you dodged a bullet.

DO NOT USE HIRUDOID!
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« Reply #190 on: September 14, 2022, 10:40:08 PM »

It could be possible that you guys have been suffering from vascular issues and thus, the cream has had a pronounced effect on your condition.

It may be a good idea to see a vascular surgeon about this.


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« Reply #191 on: September 15, 2022, 12:02:55 AM »

It is unbelievable that those guys are still insisting on this issue. Come on? This thread is not serious anymore.
It is a banned-fakes/self-righteous-suspicious-newbies paradise. They keep bashing reputed veterans users over and over, arguing that they vanished in guilty and sorrow because of this cream. It is so blatantly trolling that is starting to becoming a meme here.
Anyway, I’ve used plenty of tubes of this product (both gel and cream) and it did nothing for me. Perhaps it helped with superficial pain, perhaps not. But definitely it didn’t do anything wrong. But I obviously would choose to trust on Gabriel, a serious user with amazing posts for quite a long time rather than those newbie trolls. But everybody is free to read all points of view and make your own mind. This is the alternative treatment tab, after all. No promises or certainties here. Be an adult and do anything at your own risk.
In conclusion, I recommend this thread to be permanently closed, if possible. Nothing new will come out from this discussion. Those who like will still using. Those that don’t will keep bashing it over and over.
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« Reply #192 on: September 15, 2022, 09:36:29 AM »

Hey Winter,

Long time since we've spoken. Since you are maybe one of 4-5 advocates (maybe you're all the same guy for all we know) of this NOT DOCTOR APPROVED, NOT MANUFACTURER APPROVED, NOT FDA APPROVED, non-penis cream, I have a question for you:

How come anyone that reports a negative effect is considered a troll?

Maybe I should consider you and Gabriel trolls. That seems fair doesn't it?

You seem to like dismissing anyone with an opinion/experience contrary to the one you prefer as a troll. Why is that?

Do you think me, Steen and the few other guys here and the other guys in other places around the internet are all making up these negative reactions because its fun for us?

That's ridiculous. I am not a troll. Steen isn't a troll. We've spoken, we are real, honest men, and we are trying to help each other in our recoveries.

If you like Hirudoid, rub it up and down your dick for days, but please stop calling men that have been badly affected by this cream trolls. It's insulting and kind of suspicious, frankly.

There should be the freedom to report experiences and express opinions here without the fear of being dismissed, labeled a lying rabble-rouser, or banned.

Please, stop calling us trolls and be respectful of our experiences, our research and our opinions.
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« Reply #193 on: September 15, 2022, 10:32:12 AM »

And also Winter, instead of calling us trolls, maybe you could be supportive and kind and say "man, that sucks, I hope you guys get better. I wonder why that happened to you? Maybe I got lucky. Maybe applying to the glans increases the risk of a bad reaction. Get well, soon, man!"

Maybe you could be open to the fact that this cream THAT NO MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDS for this disease caused several men to have varying degrees of bad reactions. Maybe it interacted with cialis or pentox or other things. Don't you think that is possible?

This should be a place people come for support and acceptance. We should be able to report our experiences - good or bad - without being attacked or belittled.

So thanks, for calling me and others trolls simply because you don't like what we have to say. Thanks for dismissing my experience and calling me a liar.

Real nice of you. Class act.
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« Reply #194 on: September 15, 2022, 10:34:41 AM »

And JJ,

I was rock hard before using Hirudoid. Soft immediately after. Same for Steen.

So, no, we did not have vascular issues. The cream caused our problem. End of story.
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« Reply #195 on: September 15, 2022, 11:22:01 AM »

This discussion is going nowhere, therefore I will lock it.

Hirudoid cream is for superficial thrombophlebitis. This is swelling or redness due to blood clots and is NOT to be used on areas of sensitive skin (I think genitals would fall into this category). And blood clots have NOTHING to do with Peyronies Disease. If you disagree with this, then you don't understand the cause and effect of Peyronies Disease.
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