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I absolutely hate traction devices they are not safe for any purpose. Manual traction i found much better for Peyronies purposes.
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2021, 04:42:55 PM »

The only manual traction I have ever known of are simple stretches of the penis out and then in the opposite direction of your curve.  Is there something more elaborate you are doing?  How often and how long? 
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2021, 07:32:24 PM »

I share the same opinion. Traction devices made my Peyronie worse.
Manual traction, on the other hand, is improving my condition and making me hopeful.
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Mar/21 TEP + Titan Touch 20 cm + 1.5 RTE.

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I improved one area and injured another with manual traction, you have to be careful.
How nice it would be for us if someone investigates a treatment once and for all
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2021, 08:20:34 PM »

I cant even do manual traction without getting an erection
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2021, 07:06:17 AM »

Hate to sound stupid, but how exactly do you do manual traction?   Is there a system/method?
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2021, 07:32:11 PM »

I do counter bending like it's shown in the #2 Counter-traction (but using my hand)
https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S1743609520309395-gr1.jpg
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Penis developed curvature, lots of plaque, loss of size and axial rigidity. Severe peyronie.
Mar/21 TEP + Titan Touch 20 cm + 1.5 RTE.

Surgery done by Dr. Marco Tulio Cavalcanti, in São Paulo.

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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2021, 09:31:10 PM »

What can I say? I completely agree  8)

I've talked to a lot of men who have bought all the main devices and still prefer hand traction.

Hand traction also has the benefit of letting you be able to protect your inguinal area (something I kind of need).

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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2021, 11:33:41 PM »

What exactly is the inguinal area? I have heard of inguinal hernias can cause pelvic floor problems and penile pains and wonder if I have a inguinal hernia.
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2021, 06:06:25 PM »

No one will ever convince me manual traction is more effective or safer.  Every medical form of tissue expansion and every successful cultural form of tissue expansion and remolding involves low to moderate stretching over very long sustained periods of time.  There are no examples to the contrary.
See:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3901915/  Tissue expansion in reconstructive surgery
https://www.icdo.at/the-mursi-tribe-and-lip-plates/           Mursi tribe - Lip plates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayan_people_(Myanmar)     Kayan Lahwi tribe - neck rings

I used mechanical traction and manual traction over many years.  I have also taken breaks from traction for months. 
No one can maintain a consistent traction tension when manually stretching the penis.  I have tested my estimate of how much tension I am exerting with a hanging scale.  Without looking at the dial, tension gets very inconsistent and eratic.  It ranges from too intense to very low tension. 

To look at any examples of successful tissue expansion or remolding and think that could be accomplished manually daily tension is silly.  That would defy everything we know about tissue remolding or stretching of scar tissue.

As far as I am concerned, the only value of manual traction is to use it occasionally during the 1-hour breaks in wearing manual traction so that the tissue does not really get a full 1-hour break in traction.  That helps you extend mechanical traction while still giving the penis a break in being cinched in the device.
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2021, 04:05:09 AM »

manual traction with wrist as fulcrum helps counter bending more effective. However, i agree with Hawk, using traction device  (slow traction for longer hours) is necessary for tissue remodeling and healing.
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2021, 09:00:53 AM »

Manual or mechanical traction? Both were useless to me. Untill I started taking Pentox. Now both are useful.

While at work I can wear a manual traction device comfortably for my 5 hours. (5 hours is currently the time my penis is responding well too). I can go a lot longer.

Manual is helpful when stretching in different directions. It feels like the the scar tissue is getting stretched where devices can't reach.

Both useful tools from the box
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2021, 03:14:44 AM »

I have a noticeable vein on the middle of my penis
After starting manual traction for while I I noticed that
The base of the in is bursting and become more prominent 
Is this normal
And for how long should I practise stretching ?
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2021, 06:01:57 PM »

I share the same opinion. Traction devices made my Peyronie worse.
Manual traction, on the other hand, is improving my condition and making me hopeful.

I just want to add that I was thinking it was improving. Actually, what happened was the left side started to develop plaques, so my penis became more straight for this reason (but thinner).

Traction is dangerous IMO, but you do what you want. IMO, VED is a much safer approach.
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Penis developed curvature, lots of plaque, loss of size and axial rigidity. Severe peyronie.
Mar/21 TEP + Titan Touch 20 cm + 1.5 RTE.

Surgery done by Dr. Marco Tulio Cavalcanti, in São Paulo.

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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2021, 02:21:04 AM »

I’m starting to believe that doing anything to the penis while it’s inflamed will only make things worse.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2021, 02:53:48 AM »

I did manual traction (a few days) on my foreskin to restore circumcision, my orgasms and erections improved remarkably. now I feel a slight burning, I think my scar has softened, and is going to harden again, this has already happened to me.
I feel half way, I can fix my problem but only temporarily, I can't stop it from hardening, this is what medicine has to research
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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2021, 11:57:42 PM »

Tobyg: other than placebo effect, there is nothing out there in the medical literature saying that stretching your penis by hand will improve your condition. I don't mean to be offensive, but i simply don't think it is reasonable for you to make such bold claims just from a few days of hand stretching.

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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2021, 12:55:24 AM »

is that this happened to me several times already, no 1 ... it is like I "break" the fibrosis (as perhaps a shock wave does), my penis improves for a few days, and then it hardens again.
I'm just saying that it doesn't work, it has to be combined with some treatment that prevents scarring again.
all treatments are honestly waste of time.
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Slight curve, narrowing and retraction in flaccid and semi-erect.
Loss of sensitivity due to peyronie and circumcision  moderate erectile dysfunction, pain.
I improved the pelvic floor with kinesiology.

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Re: F** traction devices. Manual traction is much safer and more efficient
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2021, 01:48:26 AM »

no manual traction is no way near safer dont do that.
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