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Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« on: December 16, 2020, 12:13:14 PM »

Hello,

I'm sorry again for publishing.

As you must know for sure, I am not satisfied with my old Nesbit operation done in France and I would like to correct the residual curvature.

Which surgeon do you advise me in Europe? Knowing that some of you have been on this forum for a little while now.

I've read a lot about Dr. Kuehass but there is not a lot of photo evidence, and besides this will be my 2nd surgery, can he make up for it?

I also wanted to know if any of you know a guy on this forum who did traction after a Nesbit surgery.

Thanks again!

Bye
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2020, 09:02:33 AM »

I have just read so many contradictory opinions about Dr. Kuehhas, I am completely lost...
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2020, 09:12:48 AM »

Be aware that developing Erectile Dysfunction after a second operation is more likely to happen. So think twice before going for it. I can’t reccomend any surgeon in Europe
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2020, 10:58:57 AM »

dr schwarzer in munich has some decent reviews
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2020, 03:26:25 PM »

I had a consultation with him and I didn’t get out of the office with the best impression. He’s decent and he told me he does roughly 60 surgeries per year which is good but this doesn’t make him a high volume surgeon to me. Thus he got his own way to see things: he doesn’t believe in venous leakage and he’s strongly against implant (well, like most of doctors in Europe). At least he was honest warning me surgery would have mean facing some probability to worsen my erection function, which was already very bad at that time
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2020, 07:02:32 PM »

Thank you for your answers.

It's still a pity not to have a reference in Europe...

In America I hear about Dr. Gelman, but I'm afraid it's also a fad like Kuehhas, isn't it?

Jack I saw your bad experience with Dr. Kuehhas I'm sorry ... I thought basically he could have been my savior ...
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2020, 08:52:22 AM »

I have seen that many people have had good experiences with Dr. Gelman in the United States,
Do you think this is reliable?
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2020, 01:14:21 PM »

What do you mean? You mean you didn’t find many gealman patients online?
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2020, 11:53:44 AM »

No precisely on the forum many people say good things about Gelman

Do you think it's like Kuehhas? And it's BS?
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2020, 12:30:59 AM »

Thank you for your feedback,

But I find that there is still a lack of feedback About Gelman

From what I understand, the cost of surgery with Gelman is very high ( 18 000$ D
of what I could read on the forum)

But if it can save my life, I find that it's a price to pay.

I am a finance student in my final year, I can eventually take out a loan and pay it back over 3 to 5 years.

But I just want the best for my penis and to be able to have a normal life.
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2020, 06:21:18 AM »

Professor Ralph in London would be a better option. Very experienced surgeon and respected expert in Peyronies. He would be a lot cheaper as well.
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2020, 07:01:53 AM »

Thank you for your answer sky!

Does this doctor use the plication with grafting method? Do you have permanent stitches or not?

I am trying to find the best solution
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2020, 04:13:09 PM »

All opinions are welcome.
I have more confidence in the surgeon in France, I am desperate...

Gelman seems to be the best compromise? Knowing that it is an operation review
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2020, 11:43:51 AM »

I had the Lue procedure (incision and grafting) and not Plication, which has gone very well.
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2020, 11:58:30 AM »

Ok, so it's a graft, I'm looking to do a surgery and where traction is allowed afterwards, because for nesbit nobody can tell me if traction is allowed.

Because with all the misadventures I see on the forum.

The best is still to stay in France and make a Nesbit again ...
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2020, 01:26:35 PM »

Grafting is only recommended for curvature > 60 degrees due to the potential impact on Erectile Dysfunction.
I would suggest that traction would be fine with a permanent stitch after Nesbit. Nevertheless, you should speak to a urologist first to be sure.
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2020, 09:16:02 AM »

Yes, I'm not thinking of doing a graft.

I was able to see another surgeon today (doctor beley) who told me to do the Yachia surgery himself, he also advised me why by redoing the surgery with the first surgeon who operated on me (doctor faix) but that would involve a new Nesbit.

I'm pretty confused, because I read the story of guys who had done several Nesbit and the result was disastrous.

And then on this forum Nesbit just seems to be a plague.
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2020, 04:40:14 AM »

I would like to point out that this Dr. Beley allows traction after his Yachia surgery with permanent internal stitches.

I would like to clarify this for all those who do research on this forum as I have been able to do. To see for Nesbit, I will continue anyway. I hope to have at least 17 cm (my original size) before a future surgery.

Merry Christmas!
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2020, 06:47:50 AM »

Hi Alex,

I'm also looking for the right surgeon for my congenital curvature. I agree with you that there is very limited feedback with actual surgery here for Dr Gelman. If i recollect correctly only AeroT, Daved2 and dixie wrecked have posted their feedback on him. One other member - mst1622 also has had surgery from gelman, but there is no separate thread on his experience, but he has had a very positive experience with Gelman.

From other members who have consulted with Gelman and but didn't go through with him for surgery is because of lack of insurance options (mostly). those members also speak very positively about Gelman.

Im from india and gelman had quoted 18000-25000 usd as cost of surgery one year back. Do reach out to him for a consultation and share your feedback. im still strongly considering him because he is the only surgeon doing the surgery with fully absorbable sutures. Im under a risk of bleeding due to an existing medical condition, hence a little scared of permanent sutures and its risk of suture failure.

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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2021, 07:31:12 AM »

What's fishy Heretoknow

It is that you provide information without detail, you have only 3 messages on the forum.
Excuse me but your statements are worth nothing to me, you do not provide any proof.
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2021, 02:32:18 PM »

Dude, I'm not calling you a liar, until I think that on this forum you have to speak with evidence. Because as you know many people have read good things about Kuehhas here and we know the rest.

Moreover a guy published just before me something about Gelman but then deleted it, why? Weird
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2021, 09:59:50 PM »

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hi thecrookedone,

happy new years mate!! I got ur personal messages regarding kuhhas and gilman. u asked me if i could connect u to the patients who had done surgery with both gilman and kuhhas. I actually only know one patient who went through surgery with gilman and one patient who had surgery with kuhhas. They both told me they are not willing to speak about this matter with anyone but they gave me the green light to illustrate how they are doing now in life

kuhhas patient= desperate, depressed, single, unusable penis, residing in a mental illness facility as a result of the surgery trauma

gilman patient= happy, hopeful, married and his wife is pregnant in the 4th month, living life to the fullest

if u search the internet u can clearly find where gilman did his fellowship, under which mentor etc....

if u search the internet u cant find any info regarding kuhhas, so it seems to me that kuuhas does not have any fellowship training

So... They told you all that but they are not willing to speak about it with anybody else. Just you! You were the chosen one, out of everybody in this board to know about these two guys stories in full detail, but obviously they told you that they do not want to talk with anybody else. How convinient!

And yet again, we have somebody with a few posts registering just to bash Kuehhas. Like...seriously? this again? another clone, for the exact same subject?  What do you plan to achieve here? Wake up dude

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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2021, 06:24:03 AM »

So... They told you all that but they are not willing to speak about it with anybody else. Just you! You were the chosen one, out of everybody in this board to know about these two guys stories in full detail, but obviously they told you that they do not want to talk with anybody else. How convinient!

And yet again, we have somebody with a few posts registering just to bash Kuehhas. Like...seriously? this again? another clone, for the exact same subject?  What do you plan to achieve here? Wake up dude

His messages have been deleted.
I am totally lost . Do you think it was a guy paid by Gelman? Or a Kuehha hater?
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2021, 05:08:11 PM »

His messages have been deleted.
I am totally lost . Do you think it was a guy paid by Gelman? Or a Kuehha hater?

What? :D

Dr Gelman doesn't need any marketing on the Internet. He has enough work to do.

I had some message in the past from one member from here that Kuehhas follows negative opinions about him on the Internet. You can be sue if you write some negatives about him.
I don't know if it is true, but maybe it is the reason why that guy above delete his message.

But look:
-nobody had problems with dr Gelman and you can find only positive feedback about him
-many of people has reported here big problems after surgery with Kuehhas (one of that member was finally corrected by dr Gelman - daved2).

Here is some emails which I have had from dr Gelman:

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I looked at our records just now, maintained by a full time database manager yet always in need of ongoing updates, and have no reported complications of erectile dysfunction or significant curvature after plication.  That would suggest a 0% chance of you having these problems with surgery.  However, certainly it would not be fair to suggest that there would be a 0% change of this in future patients.  Furthermore, not all patients are highly compliant with informing me of their long term progress as asked, and one can not assume that no news is always equal to good news. Moreover, even though I tend to get re-do cases, with the most recent being just last week, most plication surgeries I do have not had prior surgery.  Prior surgery does increase the complexity of the dissection and if all of my patients were re-do cases, maybe my incidence of complications would be higher.

Even though I have been pleased with our results, I never take them for granted and believe that surgery is best only when the curvature is causing some functional interference, as is that case with you.

And daved2 wrote two years ago:
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I just spoke to Dr. Gelman. He went over the surgery, and the intricacies of doing revision surgery, but says that I should have a good outcome. For you Godfather movie fans, he quoted the opening line of the movie, where the Godfather says to the guy: something like: you went to the police first? Why did you go to the police? Why didn't you come to me first?

That is why I recommend dr Gelman for you.
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2021, 02:12:44 PM »

Dr. Gelman in Irvine, California, performed an exam on me. He also phoned me about 2 months later in response to an email that I sent to him. He is serious about his work, appears to be very good at it, and specializes in correcting mistakes made by other surgeons.  Eventually, I will ask him to perform plication surgery on me. There are several reasons for not having the surgery performed, yet. They are: 1) Dr. Gelman relieved my anxiety about the disease and surgery in the aforementioned phone call by saying, "You do not have to race to do the surgery. Your condition is not life threatening", 2) Another urologist is using Xiaflex with me to improve conditions as much as possible to provide Dr. Gelman with the best possible surgery conditions, 3) the COVID-19 pandemic turned many things upside down, and 4) other illnesses I possess take precedence. 
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Re: Which surgeon should I choose (Europe)
« Reply #25 on: Today at 08:39:43 AM »

Another account that posts horrors on Kuehhas with only 1 message posted on the forum, it's just unbelievable.

(His message has been deleted)

I'm afraid it's on behalf of another surgeon ...
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