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lanyc

Anyone grab one yet?  Pitching it as a great way to help/cure Peyronies Disease. It was on sale yesterday!  But would love to know some opinions. Thx
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AlterEgo

Quote from: lanyc on October 07, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
Anyone grab one yet?  Pitching it as a great way to help/cure Peyronies Disease. It was on sale yesterday!  But would love to know some opinions. Thx

I didn't know it was on sale.  I imagine it will take some time to use before seeing plaque reduction.  I do believe shockwave is a part of teh future of therapy as these shockwaves can break apart the plaques with other diseases.  However I know gainswave is not true shockwave, only acoustic wave and doctor Goldstein said gainswave is a shame.  Must use true shockwave.  But I imagien if used often and over time this could help.  Has anyone called the company? Heck I have spent more in supplements would love to get some feedback on someone who has tried this for a few months  
42 male
main symptoms are hollow feeling shaft
scar tissue on corporas shown on ultrasound
Loss of girth, weak flaccid skin sensitive

pey ron

what was the sale price? The full price right now is $849.00
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TonySa

Shockwave has not shown any promise w Peyronie's.
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

AlterEgo

Quote from: TonySa on October 08, 2020, 10:55:04 PM
Shockwave has not shown any promise w Peyronie's.

No posting disinformation here TonySa I am not sure how studied you are on shockwave, I am years in studied of shockwave.  Please delete false information.  Just a 10 second google search will show you. And this was in 2016, more advancements and clinical trials since then  For example "LiESWT remains a useful and valid minimally invasive treatment option for men with Peyronies Disease who have failed conventional medical therapy and are not keen to undergo surgical intervention. In a carefully selected group of men with Peyronies Disease, LiESWT appears to be safe, has moderate efficacy in improving penile curvature and pain, and is associated with high level of acceptance and patient satisfaction rate." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4893523/
42 male
main symptoms are hollow feeling shaft
scar tissue on corporas shown on ultrasound
Loss of girth, weak flaccid skin sensitive

Bachelek

Few years ago I had a treatment with Shockwave for Dupuytren in my hand from a official therapist.
NO SUCCES, waste of money!
66 yr, 30deg left curve.

TonySa

Alter, from your article:

Comparative studies between LiESWT with other treatment modality showed that LiESWT is not superior to other options (1,11,12) and when used in combination with other therapeutic options such as intralesional injection or tadalafil for men with Peyronies Disease and ED, there were improvements in erectile function score and quality of life score while the plaque size and curvature were unchanged (24).

Basically it says it MAY prove helpful in a very small subset of patients: acute phase, young men w only a slight bend...
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

AlterEgo

The new protocol is to do it with erect penis everyone is doing shockwave in flaccid state is not going to get same results.  acoustic impedance  
42 male
main symptoms are hollow feeling shaft
scar tissue on corporas shown on ultrasound
Loss of girth, weak flaccid skin sensitive

TonySa

Well, at its best it seems to be in its infancy and is very expensive.  If one could easily afford it-great, just add other strategies with better current outcomes.
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

stopthismadness

this seems interesting, but upon further reading it seems that it's not quite the same as real shockwave therapy; if it's like the gainswave it uses acoustic waves even though they still market it as shockwave it's not true shockwave. Still, I would be willing to try it if I could afford it, anything at this point really if it doesn't cause more harm.

AlterEgo

Wish someone would buy it so we know if any improvement.  
42 male
main symptoms are hollow feeling shaft
scar tissue on corporas shown on ultrasound
Loss of girth, weak flaccid skin sensitive

tigranesii

A lot of disinformation here. 1. Acoustic waves = shockwaves. 2. Treatment need not be performed on an erect penis.

I purchased The Phoenix today and will provide an update in the coming weeks.
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NeoV

Shockwave is not too promising. Ultrasound is more promising, if at all.

Dr. Trost mentions in one of his videos that he thinks shockwave is possibly more harmful than good. No way I'm going to try a 1000$ device like that until I have a bit more reason to.

AlterEgo

Quote from: tigranesii on February 07, 2021, 11:39:14 AM
A lot of disinformation here. 1. Acoustic waves = shockwaves. 2. Treatment need not be performed on an erect penis.

I purchased The Phoenix today and will provide an update in the coming weeks.

You are spreading misinformation.  Acoustic wave does not = shockwave.  All acoustic wave means is sound wave.  GainsWave is not shockwave for example.  A shockwave is s specific type of wave that has the following properties:  a shock wave (also spelled shockwave), or shock, is a type of propagating disturbance that moves faster than the local speed of sound in the medium. Like an ordinary wave, a shock wave carries energy and can propagate through a medium but is characterized by an abrupt, nearly discontinuous, change in pressure, temperature, and density of the medium. 2.  You are incorrect for it to be effective it does.  I refer you to Dr. Goldstein's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLI6CY_NxAo&feature=emb_logo who has done clinical trials in both flaccid and erect state and this is his conclusion after workign with hundreds or thousands of patients with shockwave  
42 male
main symptoms are hollow feeling shaft
scar tissue on corporas shown on ultrasound
Loss of girth, weak flaccid skin sensitive

tigranesii

Quote from: AlterEgo on February 09, 2021, 09:27:56 PM
Acoustic wave does not = shockwave.

"Shockwaves (SWs) are acoustic waves that carry energy and when propagating through a medium, can be targeted and focused noninvasively to affect a distant selected anatomical region." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3607492/
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AlterEgo

Quote from: tigranesii on February 10, 2021, 11:48:24 AM
"Shockwaves (SWs) are acoustic waves that carry energy and when propagating through a medium, can be targeted and focused noninvasively to affect a distant selected anatomical region." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3607492/
Let me clarify the basics of physics.  Shockwave is s TYPE of acoustic wave.  Acoustic wave is a broader term than a specific wave type aka shockwave.  Gainswave is not a shockwave it is only an acoustic wave it does not carry the same wave structure as a shockwave.  Urogold 100 does carry the unique shockwave acoustic properties and it is a shockwave, which again is a type of acoustic wave.  Hope that helps.  Shocwave has verified results when done on erect penis as shown on ultrasound that scar tissue has diminished.    
42 male
main symptoms are hollow feeling shaft
scar tissue on corporas shown on ultrasound
Loss of girth, weak flaccid skin sensitive

john.doe.550

Are not the Phoenix Pro and Phoenix instruments for erectile dysfunction? If true, then why post this in Peyronie's Disease TREATMENT discussion board?
Age: 65. Peyronies Disease in MAR 2019. 90 dgree upward curve.. Immediate &  severe. Xiaflex, APR 2019 to early 2021, slow but minor improvement through 2021. Incisional corporoplasty surgery completed in late 2022.

AlterEgo

Quote from: john.doe.550 on February 20, 2021, 09:26:07 PM
Are not the Phoenix Pro and Phoenix instruments for erectile dysfunction? If true, then why post this in Peyronie's Disease TREATMENT discussion board?

If you just bother to look at the website it says also for peyronies lol my lord
42 male
main symptoms are hollow feeling shaft
scar tissue on corporas shown on ultrasound
Loss of girth, weak flaccid skin sensitive

T6pilot

Phoenix products are made the Gainswave people, apparently.

Has anybody tried Phoenix Pro?  

Any pics to post showing results, before/after?
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jj21

TonySa - the study still says Shockwave can help. Also has promising results for ED which many of us are also suffering.

Definitely worth posting. I'm goign through it now - 3000 shocks for peyronies and another 3000 for ED (diff procedure).

Have noticed slight reduction in pain and a litttle bit of Girth improvement.  I have done 5 of the 12 sessions so far.  
34 Years Old...Peyronies for 4 years. 20 Degree left and upwards curvature, major dents and narrowing, ED.

Implant + Tunica Expansion Procedure, 7th Feb 2023, Titan 22cm +1cm RTE, Partial revision 27th June 23 (fix pump, remove 10ml reservoir).

projectpd

Shockwave machines from China are not expensive, under $300 I think, so less than any of the better original extenders, if not vacuum devices. I would consider to buy one if safety was not a concern. Most of the many published studies that I read about actually are positive, but certainly one was not, which was criticised, and it may be that much depends on the settings used. So for anyone open to risk and to "take one for the team" it would be great to hear about it. As with the extenders the kit could be re sold so the total cost could be minimal.  
Age 57, Onset 2010, 2" shortening, shrinking and angulation of glans, weaker erections, 30 degree bend. Mild pain few months, but far from worst symptom. Tried many ideas, not just from here, but not consistently. Moderate improvement, maybe 40%

jj21

Project - im going through the treatment now - will keep updating.  
34 Years Old...Peyronies for 4 years. 20 Degree left and upwards curvature, major dents and narrowing, ED.

Implant + Tunica Expansion Procedure, 7th Feb 2023, Titan 22cm +1cm RTE, Partial revision 27th June 23 (fix pump, remove 10ml reservoir).

thecrookedone

is there any data to show that it works for ed ? for people with high bmi , obesity , heart issues etc ?

i saw a video on youtube about arterial plaque in the penis and this device was recommended for the same.

how do we know / detect presence of arterial plaque in the penis and

how do we know this device helps break it down ?
Age : 36

Congenital Penile Curvature. Ventral. 80-90 degrees.

Plication Surgery - Aug 2022

BMarc

Quote from: tigranesii on February 07, 2021, 11:39:14 AM
A lot of disinformation here. 1. Acoustic waves = shockwaves. 2. Treatment need not be performed on an erect penis.

I purchased The Phoenix today and will provide an update in the coming weeks.

Did you ever report back and say how it worked out for you?
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projectpd

I suppose, one of the most basic questions could be, can you focus ESWT energy to target scar tissue only, or do you think it doesn't matter?
Age 57, Onset 2010, 2" shortening, shrinking and angulation of glans, weaker erections, 30 degree bend. Mild pain few months, but far from worst symptom. Tried many ideas, not just from here, but not consistently. Moderate improvement, maybe 40%

Bud luck

So causing micro trauma on a penis with scar tissue helps?, my penis is deformed because of a trauma, why a device that is not FDA approved that cause micro trauma would help?
My first symptoms started early in 2019
I tried Traction device, Pentofixiline, Q10, TRT, L-Argenine, cialis
I have narrowing/dent/hinge on the left side of my shaft
My ED is getting worse
Had a PRP shot Aug 2021
I have a girlfriend
Age 46

Mr man

Please can you update. Has shackwave helped? Much appreciated  
Latest routine. Started l-lysine 3mg daily, l-proline 5mg daily. Increased vit c intake. Accompanied with almost daily vacuum therapy. Pumping to 100% Exercise caution! Made good progress. L arginine supplements and prescribed potaba are helping.

lasko66

I purchased Phoenix from the site directly. I can say that while I was using it, it helped with sensitivity slightly. But as soon as I stopped, that went away. So it may have been placebo. Certainly not a long term solution. I imagine if someone doesn't have peyronie's, it could add a little umph to their game. But for Peyronie's folks... nada...
29yo, symptoms since 23. Mild plaque. Terrible EQ.
successful erections only via VED.
recently experienced intermittent occurrences of morning wood after regular core and stability exercise implementation
left CC has less blood flow than right CC.

Christopher1

I have one. I find it way too loud. And a treatment is about 30 minutes.  Too much time.

I think the in-office treatments are more effective. My Phoenix is collecting dust.
Snake Diet + 5-day fasts + pentox + NeoV's stretching routine + Mito Red Light. Curvature 99% gone.

I also used Todd Capistrant's "Fascial Distortion Model" to help my curvature. Start slowly.

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I had 11 sessions of LiESWT specifically for Peyronie's.  It did NOT help curvature.  However, it did help with erections.  I did not have ED issues, but the erections were still more firm than they were before the treatments.  In conclusion:
ED help = yes  
Peyronie's help = NO
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