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Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« on: August 04, 2020, 12:55:10 PM »

Ok, maybe this is a futile question, but I was just wondering...

Coping:
Cancer: people understand you're passing by a difficult time and get very supportive. Your family, your friends... They understand you're fighting a really difficult battle. If you win, you are a hero. You get a party with lots of hugs and tears of joy from your friends and family. Yay.

Peyronie: nobody knows what it is and nobody understand the pain you suffer. You don't tell anyone cause you're ashamed. Your wife gets mad and wants divorce. Or maybe no. Maybe she'll just bang your neighbor. If some people get known about your situation, maybe you will get a new nickname: captain hook! How funny is that?

Pain:
Ok, cancer "wins" here. I think.

Death:
Cancer: if you die, you die from cancer. If you survive, you're a warrior. People want to know about how you overcame this battle.

Peyronie: don't kill you, but makes you want to kill yourself. "Winning" here means having a deformed penis but able to penetrate without pain. You live in the shadows and nobody will care whether you overcame this disease.

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So, what's your opinion? Overly dramatic? Futile topic?
Have you ever had cancer? If so, please share your opinion.

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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2020, 02:04:56 PM »

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It's worse than the average cancer. There are some. Forms of cancer that are extremely lethal and ugly and they are much worse. People will get offended by this comparisons because they don't understand the many variables one cna take into account. In my case as someone with severe depression and dysmorphia over their body and appearance, always had, peyronie's is worse than cancer. I think about suicide every day anyway. The hero thing is very true and at a you NG age in particular the sexual destruction of peyronie's takes away much more of what it's like to be human than cancer in its most common form. With peyronies you just suffer in silence.

I do however believe that it's imperative to mention age as a factor in this. It's insane that 65 year Olds get to be compared when it comes to suffering from peyronies. I would find that offensive tbh. Its severetiy also depends on sexual lifestyle, how high one's libido and desire is, whether one prefers monogamy or not, all these factors.

And that's exactly the bottom line, winning in peyronie's means accepting a "there is my to life than sex" bluepilled attitude that is in itself toxic and not at all realistic. It's about deluding yourself that it's no big deal and that other people "also have bad problems" which is of course not true most of the time. Nobody wants a tiny dick with deformities are you kidding me

Think of that what you will. My genes have ruined my life and I don't care about this its all about your attitude BS anymore
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2020, 06:38:23 PM »

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It's even worse, the average normal 20 year old actually wants sex to be good, sex for the sake of having fun. The idea of a woman putting a relationship over sex, implying that good sex is not possible or that it could not be good enough and satisfying should be enough to not enter a relationship. That's basically the definition of sexual inferiority which we pretty much are. It's beyond me how anyone can rationalize not being depressed over this.

There is nothing I notice you'll hear, the same old same old someone else has it worse, there is a life without sex and intimacy, blablabka. As if someone could just delude themselves this far. That simply does not work.

Imagirn how some people whine around because of a girl who wasn't into them or cheated on them, feeling inadequacy and insecurity for a while. Imagine your whole life like that. When I was young I though rejection from someone you liked hurt. Then I realized that genetically blessed men don't get rejected in the same way, dating is hard for everyone they say but it's the king of BS. Really one has to pay attention to social dynamics especially in young adulthood to realize how this works.

I mean what's worse than losing your sexuakity? And who am I going to talk about it, my friends who talk about how they bang a different girl every night? Every single. One of them would have surrendered already and so will I very soon
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2020, 09:55:14 PM »

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There is no wonder treatment for peyronie's and there is no cure. I don't know why you talk about it like it's just a matter of finding the right surgeon. Even with the best surgeon on the planet, options are very much limited. For example I have severe hourglassing and indentations and the only thing to fix this is grafting surgery. Which at my age is an absolute nightmare, devastating. You might sound motivational and inspiring but only at first sight. Then one's realize those phrases don't actually help and you're still here, completely left alone with this crap and unable to cope. That's the reality. I wish it was different
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2020, 11:25:28 PM »

Have either of you gentlemen had cancer?  MANY members of this forum have including me.  So if I follow the non-logic of Peter that no one can know what something is like unless they exactly experienced that thing in that same way then as he would say, Peter is delusional.  He never faced cancer.  He has no idea except his imagination of what a cancer diagnosis is like or the treatment and the journey.  You do the very thing you proclaim others have no right doing because their Peyronies Disease is different or they got it at a different age but you know what a journey through a cancer diagnosis is like.  Incredible and hypocritical

But you wont see it because you are blind to your own situation.
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2020, 06:10:56 AM »

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Yeah I think getting your dick deformed, constant pain and shame, never being able to have proper sex again, being totally emasculating, cancer can't be any worse. It's also hypocritical of you bc how would you know what it's like to have peyronie's at 22 combined with depression and body dysmorphia. It's pure hell, I think. About how and when to kill myself every single day. Cancer can't be any worse
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2020, 08:11:27 AM »

I already told you that according to the rules Peter lives by you are NOT entitled to an opinion because you don't have cancer, and never had cancer so you can't possibly know.  You are just trying to imagine and are therefore delusional by YOUR OWN DEFINITION that you apply to others.

Peter which of the 9 suggestions I took time to offer have you even tried?  Let me guess.  NONE!
Why, because you are not here for help.  You are not here for helping others.  You are here to spread your CHOSEN brand of misery to others.

The interesting part is that your misery has little to even do with Peyronies Disease.  You were depressed and talking about suicide even before Peyronies Disease.  It just so happens that you also happened to develop Peyronies Disease after the fact.  You need serious professional intervention which is not the role of this forum.

You also refuse to follow even the simple written forum rule on using full quotes of previous posts.   You just ignore all warnings like rules dont't apply to you.

Think about why you are here.  It does not seem to be to accept help or give help.  I feel for you pain but like the misery of world hunger it is far beyond the scope of this forum and it might be time to move on.

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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2020, 08:40:13 AM »

Back to the original question by Tortão Pra Direita before Peter took over the topic.

Your premise is false.  You form and think out a mental picture of a man with cancer who has an ideal support system and loving family and then paint a picture of an man with Peyronies Disease who either has a superficial slut for a wife or who choose to drive his wife off because of things he had complete control over.

I not only had cancer but it has recurred twice and will likely kill me unless something else beats it to the punch.  It is true that I have had some support but that has come mainly from my wife.  She is the same wife who not only stood by me as WE worked through the challenges of Peyronies Disease and Erectile Dysfunction but she supported the weeks and months on end that I spent launching this forum and assuring it was the largest such forum by far on the internet to help others.  She never ran around on me.  We drew closer not further apart as we worked together.  Cancer and Peyronies Disease and Erectile Dysfunction all caused me moments of depression but through refusing to surrender and despair, life remained great.  Intimacy remained great. Today the Peyronies Disease and Erectile Dysfunction are past memories of a battle won.  The cancer for now is but a threatening killer stalking me with the promise of future torture and death.  I will not focus on the negative and allow the negative challenges in life to rob me of the good parts of a great life.  I will instead, enjoy the good health I feel at the moment and choose to focus on the positive aspects of my life that I am very thankful for.  That is what I choose to focus on.
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2020, 12:59:04 PM »

I had cancer, and i'm only 26 years old. I had cancer when i was 17.

Peyronie's Disease is WAY MUCH WORSE. Pay attention: as peter said, Peyronies Disease is worse than the average cancer, so it means that if you have a type of cancer in which you do your therapies and after 1 year or something like that you're cured, well, i would go through cancer again like the past to overcome peyronies.

Obviously, there are some types of cancer which are WAY WORSE than the average cancer and, well, in comparison to these, Peyronies Disease is like a joke.

But as a cancer survivor, i can 100% say that, for my personality, Peyronies Disease destroyed my life 1000000 times more than cancer.
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2020, 01:22:09 PM »

Lets be clear Peyronies Disease is a condition confined to your penis.  It cannot kill you, it cannot keep you from anything unless you have a serious case of Peyronies Disease.  Then, it can keep you from intercourse but not from sex or intimacy. So, NO, Peyronies Disease cannot destroy your life.  Only you can do the by ruminating catastrophic thinking until you feel like crap and then act out on those feelings and drive people from your life.  Peyronies Disease canNOT do that but men who happen to have Peyronies Disease can do that.  When they do, they like to blame Peyronies Disease rather than manning up and taking responsibility.  It is just the easy way out.  It requires no maturity or self examination.

I think I had at least moderate Peyronies Disease and severe Erectile Dysfunction and was treated and returned to a full sex life so that now when I think of my penis it is positive so no, it is not near as bad as cancer to me.  Even severe Peyronies Disease would not be.

Hope974, I am not sure what you call average cancer or average Peyronies Disease but about half of men diagnosed with cancer die from cancer so that is average cancer.  This does not count those who die from heart attacks or car crashes or other means while they have cancer.  It is also not a fast painless death but always one that saps victims of being able to crawl out of bed, needing constant care and depletes the victim and the family of energy and resources in the process.  Oh, and totally unable to have sex of any kind.

I would agree that Peyronies Disease is worse than most basel cell skin cancer, so is a sprained ankle.
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2020, 02:28:40 PM »

this is insane to me. sure, you can say that getting peyronies at such a young age. do you honestly believe you have an idea what it is like to get this disease at 20? that makes all the difference. seeing and feeling in my hands how my dick got progressively thinner and thinner and I want to remind people that it is now just barely over 4 inches in length and I have lost substantial girth as well. it does not feel like my penis anymore. its disgusting. and yeah, due to my small starting size, peyronies did make intercourse for me impossible. I have lost so much girth in the middle that it became extremely unstable.

the easy way out? can you not imagine that for some people there might not be one? not everyone can FORCE themselves to be fine and happy having an implant and major invasive surgery to the penis implicating loss of size and sensation. it also depends on what other things have been going on in your life.

you were right in your last message Hawk. I did have clinical depression and mental health issues before peyronies. and I would not be fine if I didn't have it. however, I wouldn't be so ridiculously overpowered and overwhelmed, it would have made the world of a difference if I had a functional penis. especially since the body dysmorphia and depression has its origin in sexuality etc. thats the culprit of irony but I can't laugh at that irony, for me its dead serious and like I said, I can't cope anymore at all.

just listen what you are saying. you returned to a normal sex life? respectfully man, for my age having surgery and an implant is not a normal sex life, having no spontaneous erections, having to pump your dick up, sure thats a great thing when you are old but its laughably destructive for a young man. you dismiss the understandable depression and hopelessness because you cannot put yourself in the shoes of someone in a widely different situation and stage in life
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2020, 04:17:34 PM »

I had cancer, and i'm only 26 years old. I had cancer when i was 17.

Peyronie's Disease is WAY MUCH WORSE. Pay attention: as peter said, Peyronies Disease is worse than the average cancer, so it means that if you have a type of cancer in which you do your therapies and after 1 year or something like that you're cured, well, i would go through cancer again like the past to overcome peyronies.
My grandma had cancer too, but it was something minimal. It really depends on which kind.

Lets be clear Peyronies Disease is a condition confined to your penis.  It cannot kill you, it cannot keep you from anything unless you have a serious case of Peyronies Disease.  Then, it can keep you from intercourse but not from sex or intimacy. So, NO, Peyronies Disease cannot destroy your life.  Only you can do the by ruminating catastrophic thinking until you feel like crap and then act out on those feelings and drive people from your life. 

So what it can't kill you? 
I'm sorry, but seems you forgot what peyronie is. I wake up at night with pain in my dick. I'm young and cannot have sex cause my penis hurts. Even if I had, the last girl complained of pain. This was when my dick was 30º bended to the right. Now it's 45º.
I don't know what kind of intimacy you're talking about, but I can't have something like this nowadays. What can I do in sex? Oral and fisting? Then my dick gets hard and while I lick the p~$$% my penis hurts? There's a vagina in front of me and I can't penetrate otherwise I hurt myself and the girl. Come on, this is torture.

I don't know how old are you, but seems you have lived an entire life. I doubt you would think like this if you had my age.


Btw, why my last post (and the response from that brazilian guy) got deleted? You could let them and demand for a translation... well, but's ok.


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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2020, 04:51:34 PM »

You know Hawk, i have A LOT of respect of you. Seriously. You've created all this, and this forum saved my life, literally. But sometimes, you give me the impression that you don't undestand Peyronie's Disease really in his core.

Let's be clear. Sometimes, dying from a disease IS NOT WORSE than living depressed and destroyed for the rest of your days. Lets make some points:

1. There's a clear difference if Peyronies Disease happens at 20 (like me) or at 50-60-70. TREMENDOUS DIFF!
2. There's a clear difference if Peyronies Disease happens with Erectile Dysfunction (like me) or without. If it happens at 20 and brings Erectile Dysfunction, you're f'~c<+d. Literally. You can't afford ANY implant (and you don't want any) and your sexual, social, relational life is f'~c<+d up forever. No joke.
3. There's a clear difference if Peyronies Disease happens and brings you hard depression (like me) or not. If it does, it penetrates through all the fields of your life. You begin to not go out with girls anymore, you don't want to go to parties, you perform worse at school, you perform worse at sport, and so on. So everyone thinks you're a crap man or maybe just an average guy, even if you know inside yourself that you have HUGE potential in your life, but trust me, depression destroys anything and no, you can't just swallow 50mg of some SSRI and get out of it. It just doesnt work like this.
4. Even if you afford an implant, please go with a cool girl and explain to her that you got a 12 cm bent penis and that, if you want to get an erection you have to pump an implant at 20 years old. 75-80% of girls (not everyone, luckily!) will run ASAP from your house and laugh behind you.

...And i stop here, even if i could continue.

As i said, i've got a cancer. And trust me: psychologically, it was devastating like 1/100 in comparison to Peyronies Disease. Physically, well, as you said, Peyronies Disease is confined to the penis, but will soon destroy your brain too and doom you to depression, loneliness, inner pain and this brings many other issues.

Peyronies Disease, in some cases, is worse than cancer. Maybe it is an unpopular opinion, but as a cancer survivor, that's my idea. Sorry.
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2020, 05:31:24 PM »

I mean, some discussions here are so confusing. Guys whats the point of comparing diseases? If we say that peyronie is indeed worse than cancer, would that make you guys feel better? Or your just discussing this out of nothing?


I mean, ok, an abnormal condition like peyronie or congenital curvature can for sure bring you down. But whats the point of discussing crap like cancer x Peyronie or spreading around How depressed you are like thats gonna do anything good (spoiler: it will make you feel worse). Hope794, " 75-80% girls Will rum away and laugh behind you. Dude, you brought this number straight from your mind, or do you know any study about rejection involving peyronie? Yes dude, there will be girls that wont like It, but there will be girls that wont care at ALL.

Let me tive you some real numbers: 1. A study from Journal of Sexual Medicine found that Erectile Dysfunction affected about 26% of Men under 40. So, following your logic, Just 74% of men under 40 have no problem during sex.

2. A study publisher in 2017 about prevalence of peyronie showed that 13% of a group of 650 Men (30~80yo) had peyronie. In such a small sample they had 13%, so, following your logic, 13% of Men are dealing with a dissesse thats worse than cancer, keep women away and make life horrible. Wow, 13%, and um not even counting guys with congenital curvatures bigger than 30°.

Something doesnt make sense here right? Yall acting like the Men in this forum are doomed to failure in life, like god chose us to be the men that suffer the most. Well, you reap what you plant. If you guys wanna see yourselves as doomed guys with no hope of a happy life, go on then, doom yourselves even more. I Just cant understand how diminishing yourselves would help at ALL. "Omg, i have a disease worst than cancer" - ok, hows that gonna help anyone, "omg, 80% of girls Will reject me" - random number, probably bases on what you read around here, not gonna help also, "omg, im depressed, want do die" - ok guys, we all are somehow, this abnormal condition is really messed up, but how the hell spreading this around would help anyone? You might think that finding people that feel like you would help, but, believe me, it probably will make It worse. And If yall saying this to receive help somehow, Its so clear that yall dont accept others opinions really well.

Lastly, keep this in mind: would It hurt If yall started to think positive and stop overcomplaining about this issue? Because that wont make any difference, or yall think that anyone here is grateful to have this issue? Or do you think that, after hundreds of thousand years of humanity we are the doomed group that were chose by god to have a disease thats worse than cancer? Yall aint that special guys, Just imagine How many thousands of dudes overcame this crap in the last hundred years?

Just stop making It worse for nothing, we already know how tough it is, whats the point of shouting that for everyone? Yes, life is going to be difficult for now, but Its your choice to stay like that forever.

A Lot of people spend their lifes chasing happiness and complaining of how crappy are their lifes, they chase that like a dog chasing a car, It can spend the entire life running, barking, stressed, but he wont know what to do when the car stops. It mau sound cliche, because it is, but sometimes you need to listen to that: you dont chase happiness, happiness is the way.


A LOT of men overcame this, why it would be different with yall?




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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2020, 09:32:37 PM »

Like we all know. Not everyone with peyronies is in the same situation. If you can come out of this able to penetrate with decent size then you are lucky. Peter is young and potentially losing the prospect of a healthy sex life. Let the guy vent and show him some understanding. Peter, we are all routing for you, and I hope sometimes you can find some strength and confidence in yourself. You seem to be a very smart and articulate guy. You are also bi-lingual, wish i could speak german. If we hang in there maybe it will be better for us down the road. The pain for me seems to be less now a days and i feel like i can actually do some traction, hopefully i can regain some lost size. Be strong Peter.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2020, 11:11:34 PM »

Casey your point would be well taken if this was a first post or even if it were a once a month post.  In Peter123's case this represents hundreds of posts over 4 months including jumping on new member introduction topics and making their cry for help about himself.  This is counter productive for the forum and serves no purpose for him or others.  Many members have complained and my toleration for this is growing very thin.  Popopo is no longer here for that very reason.

This is a help forum and only open to those seeking help or intent on helping others.  Once a member convinces me that they are not interested in either after our best prolonged efforts they are gone.  Peter flatly mocks any and every attempt at help and attempts to discourage others and hijack every topic on the Psychological Aspects board and other boards. He best start posting on the forum's Off Topic Board because his posts here do not even fit the board description.

I refer you to https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,14002.0.html
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2020, 11:51:17 PM »

Soxora, What a breath of realism.  I thank you profusely.

The realism of your council is profound compared to the imagined thoughts spewing out of several members posting here. 

I also want to educate those that know NOTHING about implants.  There are men all over the forums who have sex after implants and their partners never know.  There are also men on the forums who tell girls straight up about their implant and the girls love it and keep coming back because they can go forever if they want.  I have always been a highly-sexed multi-orgasmic man (up to 5 orgasms on one continuous erection when I was 18-25).  I am as happy with my dick now as I was then.  I only occasionally have 2 orgasms straight now but I can have sex until my body quits.  If I wanted I could roll over and let her keep going.  That's why one girl called it the new improved Male 2.0 She said it takes all the stress or anxiety off of women and they can concentrate on their own enjoyment and not think about their BoyFriend's performance or timing.

These Young men's problem with youth is not that girls would reject them.  It is that their immature brains cannot see past their fear to reality.  That is just the biological facts.  Male brains are not even fully developed until 26 or 27 and that is just physical development of the brain not maturity and wisdom.  If I could go back to 18 with this dick and this brain I would easily have sex with twenty five times the girls I did the first time around. 

Even by their own silly made up statistics they say 80% of girls would run.  That is silly but even if it was true and they talk about getting a girl every night like their friends.  That means in 5 nights they would find a girl who would stay.  It is just crazy talk.

Only a true lack of wisdom and ignorance would ever say.  "Peyronies Disease MADE ME DEPRESSED".  If you do not suffer clinical depression from a genetic disorder then you have power to change your depression through Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and some of the 8 things I posted on the last post on this topic https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,7857.0.html
Don't tell me how depressed you are and then tell me you are not willing to cling to any effort to improve.  I have about 50 years experience interacting with severer clinical depression and multiple suicide attempts by multiple people. I don't spout nonsense to hear myself talk.  I don't speak with authority about things I don't have experience with.  Don't tell me I don't get it or you know more about implants, or depression.  That is just another fantasy so you can feel uniquely cursed in life.

Many of the men I mentioned who had sex without the girl knowing they had an implant and many of the men who told girls upfront about their implant were in their 20's.  I suppose you will tell them they don't know  what they are talking about also?

I have seriously considered and discussed with the moderators and PDS Board Members the option of just deleting this entire Psychological Aspects Board.  That might tell you how intense my degree of being fed up to my limit is.  I have decided I will not let 3 or 4 men ruin this board or this forum for 20,000 members and 80,000 guests.  The time has come to weed out those that are not interested in getting anything from the forum or in helping others.

A warning to All -  Don't disrupt this forum by posting on this forum unless you are either willing to seek and try ideas that can help OR at least willing to give help to those who are seeking it.  We have 20,000 members and 16 years of helping those who want  to help themselves.  This tendency to want to turn this forum into a hopeless perpetual bitch session is relatively new and IT STOPS HERE!


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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2020, 08:28:26 PM »

I’ve had both. For me, mentally and emotionally, Peyronies is far worse. Shame, humiliation, lonliness, and dismissal rule. Little to no sympathy, compassion, understanding, or encouragement. It truly is a struggle that (most) men face completely alone.
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2020, 10:16:06 PM »

Empty1,  Welcome to the forum.  I hope you find the information and support you need to heal and have a great, productive life.

Shame is something that is reserved for something you did wrong when you knew better.  There is no shame in losing your legs or having epilepsy or having Erectile Dysfunction or Peyronies Disease.

Since this is an area for suggesting and searching for things to help us get heather emotionally and psychologically, share with us what you have tried to help with these emotions and have you though about any things you might try?
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2020, 01:34:54 PM »

Shame is something that is reserved for something you did wrong when you knew better.
I wish it worked like that. Unfortunately, for many people, the subconscious doesn't follow nice logical rules like that. I know I have no good reason to feel shame, but I feel it anyway.

Something like Peyronie's can deeply exacerbate existing mental health issues. I think comparisons aren't really helpful and I'd never want to disrespect cancer survivors. That said, I think a genital deformity can be uniquely isolating - doubly so when you're male. When I had to excuse myself from work to get the injections, I didn't dare tell my (wonderful) boss what I'd been up to; I'd have been glad to tell him if it was for any other health condition.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2020, 10:19:55 AM »

There are lots of things I would not tell a boss because they are private.  That does not mean I am ashamed.  There is no reason to discuss intimate details with even a great boss.

Our subconscious is like a computer in that it does not make value judgement to the accuracy of input.  Garbage in garbage out (GIGO) and old computer term.  It will relentlessly replay and process the data it is fed without logic or reason.  That is why a hypnotist can take a suggestive subject who is timid in public and give the the equivalent of 20 years of public speaking experience in 10 minutes.  The hypnotist programmed the subconscious to think they were a successful public speaker.  That person gained zero education, skill or talent BUT their subconscious let in a different or vision that the subconscious then guided that person to live.

Who programmed your subconscious?  Was it you or parents or teachers?  Did they feed it untrue destructive images?  Did the program your guidance system to relentlessly and systematically propel you toward failure or success?  What information passed through your conscious filter to your unconscious mind?

The point is that you CAN program your unconscious mind.  In fact that is one of our responsibilities as human beings, to manage the mind we are given.

Mindful meditation can be a VALUABLE help.  A very old but interesting book is Psychopsybernetics.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2020, 11:35:57 PM »

@Hawk these are great points, but re-programming your subconscious isn't a quick fix for everyone.
I've been doing years of emotional health work with various teachers and modalities, and I'm still nowhere near being able to just "switch off" illogical shame.
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Re: Generally, is peyronie worse than cancer?
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2020, 08:49:57 PM »

I never suggested it was a quick fix.  Its work but it is work that has to be done because it is foundational to happiness.  As a matter of simple fact you can be happy with a flawed dick and a healthy mind.  You cannot be happy with a perfect dick and an unhealthy mind so fixing this becomes the absolute priority.  It deserves the most time, and the biggest investment of money, energy, etc.

I see men willing to get an extra job to save $25,000 for an implant and dedicate hours a day to ritual therapy to rehab their penis.  Those who suffer depression, shame, divorce, very seldom put that vigor into cultivating a healthy mind.
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