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Corporal Fibrosis
« on: July 31, 2020, 12:38:59 AM »

Hello, not sure if this is the right forum topic to post this in but wanted to check and see if anyone has dealt with Corporal fibrosis rather than Peyronies.  It appears I probably don't have peyronies after a recent flaccid injury but I am wondering if maybe I could have corporal fibrosis?  What was your timeline of symptoms?  Did you have pain with erections early on?  What kind of imaging did you have done (MRI, Ultrasound?)  and how long did you get it performed after injury?  Any info would be greatly appreciated so I can see if that is maybe what I have and if I should bring the info to the appropriate type of doctor?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Feel free to PM me if you would prefer
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2020, 01:14:20 AM »

Why are you concerned...what symptoms are you having?
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2020, 04:06:44 PM »

No symptoms at the moment but had an injury incident that scared me a few weeks ago and I am obsessing it could have damaged me.  No evidence of peyronie's but my mind has "moved the goalposts back" so to speak and my mind is worrying that my case is deeper in the corporal cavernosa where it can't be felt and maybe symptoms are more vague.  Just thought maybe someone here has had that condition and could fill me in on their experiences/symptoms
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2020, 05:50:15 PM »

Flaccid injuries resulting in Peyronie’s of any type is rare as pressure is so much less in the flaccid penis than when erect.  If you want to do something, I’d take objective measurements as described in the survival guide here and recheck in two months.
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2020, 01:31:02 PM »

Flaccid injuries resulting in Peyronie’s of any type is rare as pressure is so much less in the flaccid penis than when erect.  If you want to do something, I’d take objective measurements as described in the survival guide here and recheck in two months.

When you say flaccid injuries are unlikely to cause peyronie's of any type does that include corporal fibrosis?  I'm still learning the terminology.
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2020, 02:28:04 PM »

Yes.
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2020, 04:02:00 PM »

TonySa,

Ok, I am going to take your advice and just try to forget about it and keep an eye out every once in a while. Do you know if Corporal Fibrosis would also have pain during erection like peyronies would? Sorry to ask so many questions about this but their isn't a lot of info about it online with symptoms, causes, etc so I don't know where else to go
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2020, 11:34:45 PM »

It’s still Peyronie’s but just diffuse instead of centralized into a plaque.  Yes, you could have pain.
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2020, 06:49:39 PM »

It’s still Peyronie’s but just diffuse instead of centralized into a plaque.  Yes, you could have pain.

Oh ok, so basically peyronie's but in the erectile tissue instead of on the tunica?  Maybe that's why it is hard to find info if it is considered a different manifestation of the same issue.
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2020, 08:23:53 PM »

A google search says that corporal fibrosis occurs due to priapism or severe penile trauma. Peyronies can be due to microtrauma. Why does fibrosis of the erectile tissue in the corpora seem to need much more severe trauma to have fibrosis?
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2020, 09:41:32 PM »

It’s still Peyronie’s but just diffuse instead of centralized into a plaque.  Yes, you could have pain.

I am checking in as it has been about 2 months since my flaccid "injury". I was having anxiety attacks and am much better for the most part but still keeping an eye on things and wanted to check in again.  I remember you told me to measure and then wait 2 months and check again.   I was wondering why you mention 2 months.  Is that because the acute or active phase would have noticeable changes by that time frame?
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2020, 12:15:53 AM »

You could do 30 or 90 days...just so as not to focus on it too much and exacerbate anxiety.  So are the measurements stable?
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2020, 12:42:06 AM »

Yes, the measurements are the same.  Would stable size be the be the main indicator of not having corporal fibrosis/scarring in the erectile tissues?



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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2020, 08:21:24 PM »

Is there anything else I should be looking out for other than size changes?  Also, is it a good idea to use cialis for measurements?  Sometimes I am more anxious when doing the measurements and the erections are a little less strong than they normally are.
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2020, 11:59:14 PM »

Stable measurements are good!  What do you mean cialis for measurements?
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2020, 12:31:32 AM »

 Is it a good idea to take cialis to ensure that erections are consistently strong when I take the measurements?  Sometimes I get kind of anxious when I take measurements because of worry about something being potentially wrong and it makes my erections not as strong as when I am not anxious (I've read that erection quality is very related to emotional state).

 I spent the last month trying to socialize and really limit my worries which went OK. I'm wondering if 2 months since the injury is enough time to just forget about it as something obvious and bad would have shown up by now or should I keep monitoring for x amount of time?  I would love to get an ultrasound but it is really hard to get a doctor to perform that and maybe that is just my OCD acting up. I know it isn't peyronies at this point as there is no pain with erection or curvature but I just want to rule out the idea that I could have injured the erectile tissue within the tunica.

I'm not even sure if it is possible to injure the spongy erectile tissue within the tunica without breaching the tunica or showing signs of bruising but that is my worry.  Anyway, thanks again for your help and sharing your knowledge on the subject, i don't have anywhere else to talk about this.  I am ready to put this behind me but I have nagging worries once in a while.

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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2020, 08:04:29 PM »

From what you described it doesn’t sound like you have Peyroines, so I’d forget about it.  With no curvature and no pain, and no shrinkage, I can’t imagine what the worry is about. It’s certainly possible to injure the tissue in the tunica with or without bruising and never get Peyroines. The injury is supposed to heal normally without laying down plaque.

From all I’ve read, to get Peyroines you need a) the genetic predisposition to it (for which there is no gene test), and b) some internal penile trauma to the tunica albugenea. Without both, you aren’t going to get Peyroines. If you are lucky enough to live an entire life and never have any penile trauma to even the slightest degree (highly unlikely), even with the genetic predisposition you aren’t going to get Peyroines. If you don’t have the genetic predisposition, you can fracture your penis, or suffer repeated minor micro-trauma and still never get Peyroines. The penis will just healing normally without leaving abnormal scar tissue behind. It’s not normal to develop Peyroines because of penile injury, which is why only 10% (at best) of men ever get Peyroines.

I liken this to hair loss in men. To wind up bald, or losing hair on the top of your head, a man needs a) the genetic predisposition to wimpy hair follicles on the top of his head (the hair follicles on the sides are always different and strong, which is why bald men never lose hair on the sides over their ears) and b) the androgen hormones that weaken the genetically weaker hair follicles on the top of the head and make them fall out. If you don’t have the genetic predisposition (weak hair follicles on the top of your head), you’ll have a full head of hair your whole life. If you’ve got the wimpy hair follicles on top, but are hormone deficient for any number of reasons (low testosterone due to hypogonadism for example), you‘re not likely to lose much or any hair up top. But, hypogonadism is fairly uncommon.
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Re: Corporal Fibrosis
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2020, 10:13:34 PM »

From what you described it doesn’t sound like you have Peyroines, so I’d forget about it.  With no curvature and no pain, and no shrinkage, I can’t imagine what the worry is about. It’s certainly possible to injure the tissue in the tunica with or without bruising and never get Peyroines. The injury is supposed to heal normally without laying down plaque.


That makes sense, I don't know if I am genetically predisposed or not. I worried because my injury was more of a squishing injury rather than a bend so I thought maybe it could have caused some type of injury to the erectile tissue inside the tunica rather than an injury to the tunica. I haven't heard of this happening much at all on this board or other sites though. I am starting to think I don't have a problem though because it is likely if I hurt myself bad enough to cause injury inside the tunica then I probably would have had some broken capillaries/bruising on the outside as well. I have hard flaccid so I became kind of hyperfocused on my penis and potential injuries...just to give you some background on why I am worried even without symptoms
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