Phallosan Forte, penismaster pro or restorex?

[Mr man]

Hello guys
I'v been using the andropeyronie device. It's ok, but my job is physical. I'm frequently driving and going up and down a ladder. Andropeyronie keeps getting pulled down by my trousers. At first I thought the extra.traction would be beneficial, but it's too much and too unstable. It causes traction 'pressure' to fluctuate far too much. Causing Peyronie's symptoms to become worse. I'v gained 15 degree of bend!

It's time for a new traction device. Have narrowed it down to the above 3 modals. Phallosan Forte and penis master pro seem comfortable to wear for work.

On the other hand. I could do a 1 hour session at home with restorex. Job done

If you own any of the above devices. Please could you give me feedback? In particular.for comfort. Marks out of 10 and build quality. Marks out of 10.

[TonySa]

I'd go w restorex as much less time each day and studies are showing relatively quick improvements.

[Mr man]

I'd go w restorex as much less time each day and studies are showing relatively quick improvements.

That's true. Those studies have been done by the product developer. Am not saying there not true but they may have been bent a little? I.e: bias. Also, according to the instructions. Once you've achieved your goal. A streight appendage. Your required to use the device for the remainder of your life. Albeit 1 hour a week. Doesn't sound like the cure other traction devices do. Results are often permanent. Just looking at the pros and cons.

[edgar]

On RestoreX, I've used it for almost a year as directed (twice 30 minutes a day). Lots of glans skin irritation and no improvement in my specific case, neither in curvature nor in length.

My gut feeling is that if you're already pretty curved, most of the traction force from straight pulling goes through the short side anyway - can't picture much added benefit from the rotary action of RestoreX. But my urologist recommended it and I went by it.

Recently consulted with Dr. Levine (Chicago) and he seemed to think that duration of traction is much more important than angle, which makes sense to me personally.

At this point I'd personally just go with whatever I can comfortably wear (with adequate tension forces) for 6+ hours a day.

[edgar]

Anyway, I also own a Penimaster Pro but it's really difficult to apply to my glans (maybe because of my tapering "arrowhead" shape and plenty of foreskin - it keeps sucking in my ventral foreskin instead of the base of the glans).

If anyone could post a comparison between Phallosan Forte and Penimaster Pro based on personal experience, I'd highly appreciate that!

Or any experience of uncircumcised guys with Phallosan?

[Olive]

I'm uncircumcised and I use phallosan. Just pull your foreskin back, what's the problem?

[edgar]

Thanks for your reply! Is the Phallosan comfortable?

Just pull your foreskin back, what's the problem?

I had a lot of problems with the Penimaster Pro sucking the foreskin in and causing swelling (and I really did everything they say about preventing this in the manual). Yes I pull the skin back while I put it on, but the shape of the chamber and the "sluice" thing is such that it will always suck some foreskin in while I wear it. It's a little better if I hold it and wait 5-10 minutes before actually applying tension, but not much.

Just ordered the Phallosan device, I'll report my experience here.

[Olive]

Yes I think it is as comfortable as traction can get. I have Jes Extender too and it's pure torture, burns like hellfire. If you have problems with foreskin, you can use those protection silicone caps that come with phallosan. I would recommend you to buy good quality silicone sleeves from lghanger to use with phallosan. Phallosan forte's own condom sleeves suck, they become loose quite soon and start to loose pressure. So, phallosan forte and lghanger sleeves are all you ever need.  

[NeoV]

Penimaster Pro is absolutely fantastic, I'm about to upload a short review on it. Unfortunately Phallosan causes swelling and redness, and is harder to put on. It is nice however if you want to walk around the house or even go outside wearing it.

I do not trust the restorex study since it did not take into account whether one used the "counter bending" or not.  

[Olive]

Yes, phallosan has that unfortunate side effect that it makes your penis bigger, sorry ladies if it's too big.  

[NeoV]

I'm uncircumcised and have no issues with either device. That said, PMP is much easier to put on than the Phallosan.  

[TonySa]

In several studies restorex is showing greater improvement than traditional traction devices which require much more wear time.

[NeoV]

That's because it allows for counter bending most likely. I don't think all men can benefit from it but hard to tell until I buy it. 500 dollars for Restorex or around 300 for PMP. I only recommend Phallosan to men who want to wear it all day while moving around the house or going outside, or, possibly for men who have a side curve but not too critical. Phallosan is over 400 dollars and for Phallosan Plus, even more.  

[Olive]

I fail to see what's the difference with these products? You just attach penis head and stretch. PMP and phallosan both have rod and belt and restorex only has rod plus that violent bending. Is there some secret that I'm not aware of? You just stretch and it doesn't even matter which way you stretch because when you are doing decent enough stretch every part of your penis is stretched. I think it's just a matter of what is the most comfortable way of attaching your penis head so you can do some stretching, that's it, am I wrong?

[NeoV]

PMP and Phallosan are completely different in how your penis is sealed or locked. PMP does not actually "pump up" your glans, and this is important because it means it does not cause swelling or blisters easily. From my experience, Phallosan requires your glans is pumped up and this usually causes swelling. It's also very hard to put on. I like the Phallosan but beyond the quality and function of its belt, the PMP is simply far superior.

I'll experiment more with the Phallosan but that's my general impression using them both.

[Olive]

I think you just have to use phallosan more so you learn all the little tips and tricks. It takes me less than a minute to put phallosan forte on and I have never had any blisters from using it. What's great about phallosan is that I get erections really easily while I'm wearing it (the plus+ add-on). So it keeps my penis stretched, allows good circulation the whole time and I get erections while wearing it.  

[NeoV]

I'm glad you like it Olive, actually I like Phallosan a lot too.

I injured myself with a VED many years ago and am sensitive to swelling, so that's part of why I mostly prefer the PMP, but I do love how Phallosan feels. The stretch feels really good, like it stretches the whole penis.

[edgar]

For me, the PMP either only locks the tip of my glans (medium sluice, thin chamber rim ring), or sucks in and swells up way too much ventral foreskin (large sluice, no ring). In either case, if I apply enough vacuum that it stays on, I'll get pumped up in an hour and it's all white and puffy when I remove it.
Any tips?

Anyway, I'll soon receive the Phallosan and see if it works any better on me.

[LuisFernandez]

Good info on this thread. I JUST received my totalman all in one kit. It includes an all day stretcher.
It has all the necessary suction cup sizes, the stronger sleeves, a rod system, a belt system, and a hanging system.

I've tried the vacuum all day system with the ankle strap and it's super comfortable and works great. All of that for a lower prices than the PMP and Phallosan.

I followed their taping guide so hopefully I won't get blisters or anything.

I've also heard of using the sizegenetics rod system with the TLC tugger for best results for uncircumcised men. I also have the RestoreX which has helped with he curve but I'm hoping more hours of traction and stretched passive healing will help make it even straighter.

[Olive]

@NeoV

Has your penis head slipped out when wearing penimaster pro, I mean does it stay on as long as you want without any adjustments? Have you had to order any replacement part for it yet? Do you have any idea how long do those parts last that need to be replaced at some point? Does it show what tension you are currently using?

[Olive]

Also how easy it is to clean penimaster pro? I just read it's manual and it seems to me that after cleaning it the drying process is difficult. Do you take those latex parts off for cleaning?

[NeoV]

My glans no longer slips out. The latex parts seem to last quite a while but will update. I like the device so much I wouldn't mind buying more parts, and it comes with spares.

Cleaning is easier than the Phallosan unless you're taking all parts off, which I only do once in a while. It's very very easy to clean (that's not to say that Phallosan is hard to clean either).

[Olive]

Thanks NeoV, maybe I will try it at some point. Oh by the way, I remember you saying that when you started traction, your curve initially worsened at some point. Do you remember how long it took when it started to get better?

[edgar]

Okay, I've received and tried the Phallosan, and unfortunately I think it's worse in every way than the Penimaster Pro (which still isn't great for me, but it's borderline tolerable).
I'm a little tilted that you can't return it if you tried it on even once. In hindsight, maybe they ship out of the micro-state Liechtenstein to escape European Union regulations - this should have been a red flag.

[peter123]

So guys if one were to buy a traction device it'd be best to buy the Penimaster pro right?  

[NeoV]

Olive: yes a little bit when I began by hand and even with the PMP.

Edgar: I 100% agree. The PMP is vastly superior.

[TonySa]

I'd go w restorex as only 30 minutes a day-can't beat that.

[Olive]

I'd go w restorex as only 30 minutes a day-can't beat that.

Let's picture a hypothetical situation, a man has captured your whole family and says, "I give you three months time to get your penis 100% straight. If you fail to get your penis completely straight in this time I will rape, torture and kill your whole family.".

In this situation would you use just Restorex 30 min per day because it sounds so awesome deal? I would wear some traction device as many hours I could every single day, not just 30 mins per day, LOL.

What do you think?  

[edgar]

Let's picture a hypothetical situation, a man has captured your whole family and says, "I give you three months time to get your penis 100% straight. If you fail to get your penis completely straight in this time I will rape, torture and kill your whole family.".

Oh man, that's pretty dark. There are some severely depressed brothers on this board already, let's try not to go there.

Peyronie's really sucks, but it isn't (or shouldn't be) a matter of life and death. Some of us aren't quite willing to do *anything at all* to make it better. Many of us are, but it's tricky to stay motivated day to day.

TBH I'm a little tired of some doctors/vendors using what I call the "patient non-compliance fallacy": saying that a treatment is great, and the only reason the numbers are poor is that patients didn't stick to the instructions. Even if it's true, that's strike against the treatment. It's long-term real-life results that count, and how tolerable a treatment is is part of the package.

If RestoreX could achieve in 60 minutes per day (two 30-minute sessions) something close to what other traction can do in 4-9 hours, that would be a game changer. But that's a big "if" IMHO.

[Olive]

If you want to master any skill or become the best at something, you get there by practicing hours and hours every single day. This applies to everything in life, even in Peyronie's.

I don't trust Restorex at all. If it's too good to be true it probably is. People are just lazy, they don't want to spend hours doing traction, they just want quick easy fix and here's Restorex ready to grab your money.  

[Mr man]

Hello guys,

Thanks for all your experiences. Thought you might like to know. I went for Restorex. It's ok, but ultimately it s just another tractiion device. Was sold because the extra strech given by the counter bend feature looked awesome. Alas, the counter bend does not align to my bend. Which is a bummer.

Thought I'd try an all day stretcher. Paid £60 for something called  jelqtogain.com  it works great. Was wearing it for a few weeks prior to the arrival of Restorex. Love it. Is really comftable to wear for 5-6 hours. Results were also excellent. Curvature reduced to 20 degrees! Was shocking, but it didn't stay. Not sure where I went wrong here. Anyway the jelqtogain device is easy to put on and off, but using both jelqtogain and restorex is overdoing it. Poor penis experienced worsening symptoms. So sticking with Restorex for now.

[TonySa]

Olive, I couldn't disagree more.  There are studies supporting less time working w Restorex.  Of course, affordability is an issue.

[Olive]

Every traction study that I have read has clearly shown that those who were able to do traction many hours every day got the best results. If you are able to do traction at least six hours every day you get fantastic results and less than three hours, not so good.

[TonySa]

Olive, you are correct but those studies were not w the restorex device.  The restorex device studies show improvement w 30-60 minutes/day.  Likely because restorex has more tension and a counter bend capacity unlike the other devices.

[seanman35]

Interesting discussion. I went through xiaflex injections in 2016-17. Curvature went from about 60 to 25 degrees (upward), but I continued to see reductions in length. Went back to see my Mayo Clinic doctor (Florida) 5 days ago. He brought in two traction devices - restorex and US-physiomed. He recommended the latter to regain length, over the restorex, which is more geared to reducing curvature. I don't see many recent threads on the US-physiomed device, but wanted to provide my doctor input.

Not sure if anyone else has used this device for only linear traction?

Thanks    

[peter123]

So you continue to lose length for basically ever?? This disease is truly worse than cancer, it's not even a disease its a massive joke of a disease  

[TonySa]

No Peter, not all do-but if it's happening at all they start traction and or VED along w other treatment modalities.

[peter123]

No Peter, not all do-but if it's happening at all they start traction and or VED along w other treatment modalities.

But do you keep losing length in the chronic phase?  

[Seanman]

I don't fully understand the various phases, but I lost about 1.5 inches the 1st few years and it looks like another .5 inch since then. Don't notice continual loss though. I did use VED everyday while going through the xiaflex. Stopped about a year ago. Now want to try and regain some length back. VED works at the moment, but does not seem to be a permanent solution.

[peter123]

the first few YEARS??? i thought it is accute phase for 12 months and then stable suposedly? if thats the course of peyronies then i just wnat to have cancer and die. please  

[TonySa]

In the chronic phase most are stable w no worsening of symptoms.

[Mr man]

If RestoreX could achieve in 60 minutes per day (two 30-minute sessions) something close to what other traction can do in 4-9 hours, that would be a game changer. But that's a big "if" IMHO.

Hello bro, I have been using restorex about 6 weeks. Exact to instructions provided... No major changes yet, but I get the feeling some might come... Anyway, yes... Nothing much has arrived...  I do believe if you stick to the prescribed regime. Inspiration can hit you. Other ideas form. Right now it creating my own traction device. To make a counter bend. You should go with it.