Even just one oral therapy stops progress? Advice appreciated

[2young4this]

Hello all, not sure which Board I should've used but here goes.

So, according to some studies I have read (mainly this one on the use of antioxidants as oral/topical/injectional therapy: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5530853/) there seems to be at least the stoppage of progression to the growth of peyronie's plaques when atleast one antioxidant is supplemented (vit. E, silymarin, etc.).

In short: is this something that is actually true? So many people here claim that even though doing so many oral/traction/heat etc. therapies combined, nothing worked to stop the progression, so how come there are such reports in those studies?

I am myself in the acute, early stage, only noticing bending and pain in the flaccid/semi-erect state, can feel some small lump/lumps at the bend, denting area. And I am on vit. E, silymarin, ginkgo, fish oil, detralex (vein supplementation), l-carnitine, more importantly I am on strict therapeutic keto and have 20-21 hour fasts each day. I am losing weight rapidly (not welcomed as I am super skinny already). Stopped any masturbation, though I do want to have sex (1-2 every two weeks).,

I am also doing traction. Is this something I should be doing considering I am probably at the starting line and probably inflamed (have flaccid pain). Or should I just leave my member alone and not touch it at all?


Is it true that doing any therapy/combination of therapies stops the progression of Peyronies Disease? Does someone has inverse experience and could elaborate?

[TonySa]

Adding treatment modalities increases chances for success.

[melting]

Obviously for some people there's just one thing missing that fits their case. If you lack some vitamin or mineral that causes inflammation.. and then you take it might solve the issue. Or if you cut out something.. people report progress with fasting(cause they avoid eating something?), it might stop the issue too.

But 'Attacking' from all possible angles, without creating more harm, in an individual way, is probably the highest chance way?

[2young4this]

Thank you to both of you, guys.

Yesterday I decided to instead heat up, cold up (cold lowers inflammation), too reduce acute pain. I also went to the sauna, cooling myself in cold shower after each cycle. I ate beef throughout the day after a long time and I drank one multi—mineral dissolvable tablet. And I was not doing traction for 2 days in order to give time for healing.

Something out of this must have been a bad idea. In the norming, after 5 hours of sleep I woke up with a painfull erection, which due to the pain went away right away before I managed to check curve. Howevere I was left with almost twice as big semi erect curve due to loss of girth on my left side of my member. I checked erection with porn and iit seemed Ok, kind of sensitive and not right - feeling like before but no curve. It is like if my right side all of a sudden fills up much faster then my left side, especially the dented area about an inch long seems to be filling up last. This has definately not been before (3 months back) and causes the curve. I also think the indentation is getting bigger. Cant stop OCD checking it.

Any ideas?

Also melting, any idea as to what might be missing, could potassium deficiency be causing this? Or maybe too much of other mineral/vitamin?

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[melting]

Sounds like a lot of stress which might show up in your pelvic floor too. Can show focused on one side too.
The filling up problem can happen if the blood inflow is occluded. 2 main arteries bring the blood into penis on two sides. If one side is occluded by tense muscles it might be influenced. Cold - contracts. Just so you know..  might not be your case.

PF relaxation, stretching, massage etc. rarely hurts( only if it's done imbalanced way).

I have no idea what might missing. You can do bloodtest, hairtest and other, that might hint to something.

[Godisreal]

I experience flaccid discomfort, but only in the root of the penis/pelvic floor; between the pubic bone & root of the penis, basically.

[melting]

Always helpful to look at different anatomical diagrams on google images to pinpoint the place of the issue.

[2young4this]

Thank you very much for your inquires guys. Especially to you, melting. Will look into blood test possibilities thanks for the idea.

I am aware that my problems might be caused by tight PF/Pelvic muscles. I went to a physiotherapist to address this and he only speculated that my central stabilization muscle system might be weak. However I don't know because I can do a crap ton of pull ups and exercise boxing. My core might be weak but it definitely is stronger then that of most guys my age.

I have however found out that my glute muscles are quite tight. To anyone who is experiencing similar symptoms, try getting a tennis ball or maybe even a harder rubber ball, like one you would get for a dog and roll your glute/pelvic muscles on it pressed to a wall/floor, finding tender and painful spots and holding there until it releases. It might help you, to me, it does not make that much of a difference. I am also stretching and trying to release my pelvic floor but have been finding few benefits out of it.

I am going to try to get a doppler this week and should I (hopefully) hear that my circulation is OK and no damage is done to my penis (doubt it), I will be looking into getting that kind of S shape stick one sticks into his ass and releases pelvic muscle tightness from the inside (ouch). Therawand I think it is called or a similar product.

BTW I gotta say I managed to tone down my symptoms via doing traction again and using the rice sock for 30 minutes. Even so that I managed to have sex a couple times and do not feel any significant discomfort the following day.

Any other tips? Thank you to all.

I am still wondering about whether combined oral therapies, traction, heat and diet does at the very least halt all progression of scar formation.

[melting]

I am still wondering about whether combined oral therapies, traction, heat and diet does at the very least halt all progression of scar formation.

Once you got an injury it's hard to get a tissue that is the same as the one prior. No problem with most body parts but with the penis it is a big one due to the need for flexibility.

But yeah, all points to a well rounded "attack" on the issue.

The whole pelvic floor thing as you see has a lot of levels to it. Imbalances in the hips can have an impact on the PF and then penis.
Tight glutes could be a good hint that deeper in the PF its tense(hard to notice vs. tense bigger muscles).
Many yoga type exercises aide a lot with this too. yoga+pelvic floor.

I thought I had it all figured out but only managed to release the whole PF 1-2 years ago.. Another thing you might research is "reverse kegels" which is a conscious ballooning/stretching of the pelvic floor inside out. Breath plays into it too.(abs are also indirectly connected)

[Holistic]

I thought I had it all figured out but only managed to release the whole PF 1-2 years ago.. Another thing you might research is "reverse kegels" which is a conscious ballooning/stretching of the pelvic floor inside out. Breath plays into it too.(abs are also indirectly connected)

Hey Melting,

What was your specific approach to the PF? did you see a manual therapist? reverse kegels only? Youtube yoga channels?

Just curious as to what you found and used. I def feel i releasea little tension in my perineal area during the day. Bringing awareness to that area helps identify how much I tense that area...who knew. But its interesting to see how PF influence has on the fibrosis of the tissue in the penis.

[melting]

Yes, the indirect factors count a lot with peyronies. Just imagine having a cut on your feet and only full blood circulation to it 4-5 times a day..

PF: I did everything you can find on the web. No contact to a therapist but I read about them, so it's a possibility to do.
Yoga, I mean.. check this: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yoga+pelvic+floor hundreds of vids about YOGA+PELVIC FLOOR to follow along, mostly for females which work on males generally too but there are some for males also I came along.
Tennis ball massage. But best imo is reverse kegels. I think I had, without knowing, a tight pelvic floor for most of my life.
So I started to reclaim the PF during the day remembering to relax and expand it cause at the start the PF will go back to tight automatically until you reach a certain threshold.

And btw. perineal area is not enough.. The whole PF back to front, left to right, is connected and needs to be balanced.

[Holistic]

PF: I did everything you can find on the web.

And btw. perineal area is not enough.. The whole PF back to front, left to right, is connected and needs to be balanced.

Just did a PF 15 min stretch from youtube. Will deff look more into it and have more stretch times and will look into tennisball and reverse kegels.