Garlic and Ginger

[AlterEgo]

I have been reading various posts on regular daily usage of fresh garlic and ginger and have read many are healing and restorative results with this due to anti-inflammatory and oxygen and N.O.generation in cells.  Can anyone share their experiences in consuming daily fresh garlic and ginger daily and how long it took to get results and what results you got.  Thank you.

[webfoot35]

I too have been curious about these two supplements. If anyone as taken (or eaten) garlic and ginger on a long-term regular basis, I would really be interested in your results.

[Tortão Pra Direita]

In theory, it should help a bit. Peyronie is an inflammatory disease, so eating anti-inflammatory foods or supplements should help.

[jan.schaller1958]

Wait a minute Tortao. Who ever said Peyroines was an inflammatory disease just by itself? It depends on what you mean by that.  It's a wound healing disorder, like keloids. By ,,inflammatory disease" do you mean auto-immune disease? It's clearly not that. An inflammatory disease is like rheumatory arthritis. Wound healing disorders are not necessarily inflammatory disorders in all cases.  How do you define ,,inflammatory disease"?

Now before you go crazy on me, I will admit many sources say this, ,, Inflammation inside the penis results in the formation of fibrous scar tissue that causes curvature in the erect penis, making penetration during sexual intercourse difficult or impossible. However, what causes the inflammation is not known with certainty." That's from the Merck Manual.

There might be inflammation in the tunica albugenea initially, but it isn't necessarily a constant condition. In the early stages, fine, I suppose you can say there is unknown inflammation, but what about chronic stages? It's not perpetual inflammation. But, however you want to describe it, there is no evidence that garlic or ginger have any impact on the course of Peyroines once it sets in or even in the early stages.  

[Tortão Pra Direita]

There might be inflammation in the tunica albugenea initially, but it isn't necessarily a constant condition. In the early stages, fine, I suppose you can say there is unknown inflammation, but what about chronic stages? It's not perpetual inflammation. But, however you want to describe it, there is no evidence that garlic or ginger have any impact on the course of Peyroines once it sets in or even in the early stages.

I've not seen, yet, evidence that garlic or ginger has any impact on Peyronie's. This is the reason I said "In theory, it should help a bit.".
Please, read carefully things people write. There's a big difference between saying things like "it cures", "it treats", "it may help".  

[jan.schaller1958]

Tortao,

You're  just speculating because you don't know. We say ,,Spekulation ist für die Katz", speculation is for the cat. It's worthless. You think you are helping people with speculation but you're just hurting them. You're  afraid to say ,,I don't know, I'd be speculating and that means nothing". You want to sound like you know it all. And then you side with godisreal, who is a maniac, some crazy person, your buddy and NeoV, your expert on diet like diet is everything.  Diet means nothing when it comes to Peyroines. NeoV should have won the Nobel Prize in Medicine by now if he had a clue what he is talking about,  but he doesn't. He relies on weird garbage he reads of the internet and thinks he's a Peyroines specialist after 39 minutes of internet research. That's so obvious it's pathetic. Then you run Peter123 off the board or get the moderators to mute him because he's the most scientifically researched and competent member of the board. Shame on you and godisreal when I had to school you too on Peyroines.  

[Olive]

Why Jan is allowed to continue his hateful postings? Registration rules for this forum says that you are not allowed to make hateful posts and that is all that Jan does here. And Peter123 account is muted but he made new account called "Akbard".

[jan.schaller1958]

Why Jan is allowed to continue his hateful postings? ...And Peter123 account is muted but he made new account called "Akbard".

Hateful postings?  My postings are not hateful. They are skeptical. But hateful? Just look  what Tortao and godisreal said about me and Peter123. That was hateful. That was the most horrible thing I ever read in my life. And they never got muted. I'm just trying to provide the other members here useful information and counter the pseudoscience the others throw out all the time unchallenged.  

[Tortão Pra Direita]

Tortao,

You're  just speculating because you don't know. We say ,,Spekulation ist für die Katz", speculation is for the cat. It's worthless.

If you don't know, let me explain to you (again): the scientific method begins with a hypothesis. So you are wrong (again) in your statement.
Seriously, would be nice for you to learn basic science.

You think you are helping people with speculation but you're just hurting them.

Care to explain how? Am I forcing OP to eat a shitload of garlic or saying something wrong? I said in theory it should work. Just that.

But I see what's happening here. You're trying to reply to me with the same things I replied to you before. I said to you that your bold statements related to diet and Peyronie's were wrong (proved wrong) and dangerous. You're trying to say the same thing to me but you can't find how, so you came with this nonsense.
Man, you just make me happy every time I enter here. It's funny as hell to see an old guy acting like a teenager and getting his ass beaten by a guy half his age. The more I beat your ass, the more you love and pursue me in the forum.

Big kisses  

Why Jan is allowed to continue his hateful postings? Registration rules for this forum says that you are not allowed to make hateful posts and that is all that Jan does here. And Peter123 account is muted but he made new account called "Akbard".

If they act like this in real life, then probably they are lonely. No one can stand this negativity and teenager behavior. So they turn to forums to spread their toxicity. You can see that it's not just one or two guys here that can't stand them. It's everyone on the forum.

[jan.schaller1958]

Tortao,


,,Man, you just make me happy every time I enter here. It's funny as hell to see an old guy acting like a teenager and getting his ass beaten by a guy half his age. The more I beat your ass, the more you love and pursue me in the forum."

You are kicking my ass? That's the funniest thing I ever read. You're the guy saying ,,Gee, yeah garlic might help with Peyroines....." You're not serious are you?

That's the goofiest thing I ever heard. People still say that about Vitamin E, but that studies on that have proven Vitamin E worthless. So, you think garlic has a chance over Vitamin E?

You say in theory it should help. Why can't you be honest and say there's no evidence that it can help. It's never been studied instead of giving us your dumb theories? You're the one making a fool of yourself, Tortao. You and your silly diet theories. Real doctors and scientists wouldn't pay attention to your nonsense for 2 seconds. If I went into Dr Lue and asked about garlic helping Peyroines ,,in theory" because I learned it from Tortao on the Peyroines Board he'd either laugh or ask me why I bother listening to people like that. That's because he works in the world of real science, not make-believe maybes and pseudoscience, like you and godisreal and Neo.  

[TonySa]

Jan, there actually are multi-modal Peyronies Disease treatment studies that show improved outcomes when adding anti-inflammatory supplements to xiaflex or traction.  The more added, the better the outcomes.

[jan.schaller1958]

Tony,

Tortao is trying to be an Alleswisser, know it all here, and I'm just trying to tell him he should learn basic science and not toss around unproven theories saying ,,this in theory should help" when he doesn't know. He should just say, ,,You can try it and a lot of things but there is no evidence that it helps", unless he can cite a study. And when you say ,,improved outcomes" that's a far cry from a cure. I mean, I'm not even sure what that means. Improved in what respect and to what degree? And then he's talking about being half my age, as if that meant anything. LOL.  

[TonySa]

The studies report degree of curvature reduced for example.  Such studies are referenced in the forum-you just need to google.  Given that Peyronies Disease is an inflammatory disease-theoretically an anti-inflammatory may help.

[jan.schaller1958]

Tony,

Like I said anyone can try anything they like, but I'd be surprised if garlic and ginger did anything.  

[TonySa]

Here's one such study by adding antioxidants of blueberries and propolis:

https://www.longdom.org/open-access/pentoxifylline-associated-with-other-antioxidants-multimodal-therapy-on-patients-with-peyronies-disease-results-of-a-controlled-study-2167-0250.1000123.pdf

[jan.schaller1958]

Tony

Okay, I skimmed through that small study. These types of studies are all over the board. Some say Pentox helps, others say not. Same goes for Vitamin E and other oral treatments.  It's really impossible to draw any conclusions. I'm not against trying these things. I tried Pentox for a few years (1-2 maybe, I forgot) and I honestly don't know if it helped. It might have, since the hourglassing went away, but I can't say it was due to the Pentox. Impossible for me to say. But it was no cure all, that's for sure. I will say it didn't hurt anything. It's just a blood thinner. So, if these oral therapies have no side effects, I have no objection to anyone trying them. That's up to them. They just shouldn't expect big, quick or even certain results. That's all.  

[TonySa]

Absolutely, I agree that w Peyronies Disease there is NO absolute, quick or certain cure alls.

[Tortão Pra Direita]

The studies report degree of curvature reduced for example.  Such studies are referenced in the forum-you just need to google.  Given that Peyronies Disease is an inflammatory disease-theoretically an anti-inflammatory may help.

That's what I'm saying, but the german guy is not here to discuss ideas and treatments. He's here to attack. I think the best is just to ignore him.  

[jan.schaller1958]

Tortao,

Well, I prefer some science behind these theories of yours. This garlic business is a bit of a stretch to say the least. You might as well say eating a potato can help Peyroines. You can try that one if you like, it doesn't bother me.  

[Godisreal]

Yes Tortão, lol.
Ignore him and let him tire himself out.  

[jan.schaller1958]

Godisreal,

You and Tortao just like to run good people off the Board. You are the one who says you've got a god brain but human body. How sane is that? One would think you could at least heal yourself. My goodness. Lol.  

[LWillisjr]

All, I don't read every post on the forum. And for the most part everyone is civil and not directly attacking. But interactions involving age or kicking someone's ass is borderline. If you want to disagree with other take it up through a private message. Let's all be civil to the original poster and not take over his thread.

Any questions of complaints please message me.

[jan.schaller1958]

LWillisjr,

Well. I'm glad you can see how off base the behavior of Tortao and godisreal is.  

[Holistic]

Hey guys, We are all looking for the same thing which is some sort of resolution to this penile condition. No one on here has a 100% grasp on this so some intellectual challenge on what we find should be natural when establishing any kind of treatment. This is not a condition in the medical world that will be put at the top of the research list so it is up to us to do what we can for now. I would say almost all of what we discover to be helpful in this entire forum is some degree of speculation.

That being said, we each have different backgrounds. However; it is important to understand the others perspective and be humble when addressing each others findings.

In regards to stages of tissue healing, Jan makes a valid point. Acute tissue inflammation lasts only so long unless it is some sort of autoimmune or rheumatoid issue. The keloiding response in this "chronic" stage is not a form of inflammation as the tissue is already scarred and possibly stabilized. I read that there can be variable progressions person to person and it may never stabilize. I agree with Melting, who left a bit ago, when he stated that dietary or oral supplementation may not be a strong component when it comes to penile tissue health. I dont know for sure, but the logic makes sense and if anything is presented to counter that, then I can consider. Does it help? It doesnt harm. But im sure you would have to have a TON of fresh actual garlic or ginger to have any therapeutic effect. Which is why companies try to synthesize the beneficial compounds in foods. I spoke to my Uro about the Coq10 and other anti-inflammatories plus blueberries I was taking last year and he didnt object. But I still seemed to have gotten a few more nodules since taking them. Still trying to figure out my specific underlying pathology (mechanical or biological). I am very fascinated by how my keloidal condition is specific to my penis. I have vanilla sex and a healthy nutirent dense diet but things still seem to take its own course. What is fascinating is that sometimes massage "irons" the nodule out almost as if its regular tissue again but the next day can go right back to its firm circular structure.

We dont have to agree with each other, but lets all realize we are in similar positions.  

[jan.schaller1958]

Well, holistic, at least you understand what I was getting at. There are so many unknowns about Peyroines and its causes, and treatments, that it becomes virtually impossible to speculate about what might or might not help. I had a doctor, an internist, tell me Peyroines was something like keloids. I think that's the best analogy I can think of. I don't think the cause of keloids is known, but all we know is they are benign tumor-like growths arising from skin that has been injured. And they occur externally, on the skin. One example that comes to mind are cosmetic operations, like facelifts. A small percentage of people who have facelifts develop keloids on the small scar like where the incisions were made for the facelift. It's fairly rare, but when they occur they just sprout up like a mushroom. They're harmless,  but unsightly. And you can't just cut them off (the most common sense thought that would come to mind) because they just grow back. It's a wound hearing disorder. (I think keloids are treated with steroids? Not sure). If Peyroines is related to micro trauma, one fairly commonly considered theory, it would put Peyroines in the wound-healing disorder category and take it out of the inflammatory category, at least after the acute inflammatory stage (which can last 6 months to around a year, but never just constantly progressing for a decade. That would sound more like an auto immune disease like rheumatoid arthritis and all the other auto-immune diseases, which Peyroines is clearly not. We know that. But, suggesting diet, vitamins, minerals, let alone garlic and ginger, are going to help with Peyroines is preposterous. How can you explain a 22 year old getting peyroines and another guy getting it at 56? That blows that diet and vitamins nonsense out the window.

I also think that this devastating disease (and lets me honest it IS devastating, both physically and psychologically) has gotten far too little study probably because it is benign (you're not going to die of it) and I think it's because it affects men. I know people here disagree, but I think more research goes into women's diseases than men's).  

[Holistic]

One-hundred percent with Peyronies being a wound healing disorder. Makes the most sense to me. I was looking into the pathomechanics of Peyronies along the line of a healing dysfunction where collagen is not layed down properly. Makes the most sense during and after the initial phases. I have been splitting my research in both the collagen layout/keloiding and the chemical side.

As far as dieting goes, I do think there are positives on it. Anti-inflammatory dieting can be benificial. There have been reports of pain decreasing and disease alterations but no significant resolution. So for symptom management, A good diet can help. Plus the diet is something that has to be implemented with consistency over time. Not just a 2 year keto diet and return to carbs. The penis is a part of the body as a whole so there has to be something natural that can have a slow effect. Plus keeping everything else in the body working well can help.

But I avg 1 clove of garlic a day along with a finger width bit of ginger in my morning breakfast daily for general health. My efforts are currently Vit C/DMSO with heat/manual traction and nodule massage since my presentation is mainly multiple fibroids versus an hour glass shape. Research and other peoples posts on here show that DMSO seems to have an affect on the keloids. only downside is that no one keeps it up past several months except Melting who did a TON of applications over years. Playing the long game with this.

[jan.schaller1958]

Sounds like you are on the right track, Holistic. Particularly comparing Peyroines with keloids. And taking a little garlic and ginger every day is healthy. I recall when people were pushing garlic in the 70s/early 80s for high blood pressure. Not sure if it did anything, but it didn't hurt. That's all disappeared now with the wide variety of high blood pressure pills one can choose from.