VED doubts: red dots / reduction of night-time erections

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aquintance22

Ok guys, here's the situation:

I have a non-calcified plaque right below the glans on the left underside of the penis, so quite at the top. This led to an identation on the left-underside of my poenis right below the glans where the plaque sits. The VED I use is a Augusta SomaCorrect.

So I started with the B cylinder and used that for 2 weeks-:

- session length ~ 15min
- always to ~ 80% of erection, more was not possible due to the size of the cylinder
- no pain, no discomfort
- no red dots (broken capillaries?) after pumping
- session length ~ 15min

After these 2 weeks, I switched to the C cylinder for another 2 weeks, but I experienced the following problems:

- a feeling of "stretch" / some discomfort (no real pain or stinging) arises very soon
- I can pump to 80%-100% erection, but this comes with a real "stretchy feeling", especially on the site where my indentation / faulty tissue sits
- my dick is always slightly numb and cold after pumping
- I get red dots (broken capillaries?) after every pump session with the C cylinder, these go away after 12 hours
- BUT: reduction/loss- of night-time errections (!)


So in summary:

Especially the reduction of NTEs and the occurence of the red dots (is this deterioration of the blood vessels?) makes me wonder, if this is the right regimen for me because I do not want to give myself permanent ED by using the VED of course.

My urologist (Peyronies Disease specialist in Germany) said always pump to a full erection and leave it in this state for ~ 15minutes, but I really doubt that'll help because the symptoms it gives me outlined above.

I consider switching to Old Man's protocol but I honestly have my doubts because due to the fact that my intendation/plaque sits almost at the top of the penis, maybe the "soft protocol" won't give me any tissue stretch there by only pumping to 50-80% and hence has no positive healing effect at all ...

Anyone experienced a similar situation and has some recoomendations? Appreciate it ! (Y)

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Monty

Hi, yes i had similar, I think its bad practise to leave penis under vacuum pressure for more then 10 seconds, you could try pumping up hold for 10 seconds release, repeat for no more than 15 minutes session, try different protocol and find the one that works well with you, we are all different, protocols are just a guide, use them, but they are not compulsory word to word.  
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jj21

I have had the numbness and cold feeling after pumping too. For me this was a sign of over-pumping.

How long are you holding the erection each cycle? And are you giving your penis breaks before pumping again?

I think a few members here got swelling and even hernias from holding the erection int he pump too long, so it could be that.

Maybe try a diff protocol and see what works for you.

J
34 Years Old...Peyronies for 4 years. 20 Degree left and upwards curvature, major dents and narrowing, ED.

Implant + Tunica Expansion Procedure, 7th Feb 2023, Titan 22cm +1cm RTE, Partial revision 27th June 23 (fix pump, remove 10ml reservoir).

PeetyPeet

The cold feeling is due to the same blood being trapped in the penis for 15 mins. I'm unsure of the science behind it, but somehow a VED-induced erection does not work the same way as a normal erection. People - including myself -  who use constriction rings for sex often report cold and numbness after the 10-15 minute mark. The numbness is presumably due to trapped nerve endings.

VED use affecting erection quality and nocturnal erections is quite common. No-one is sure why, but my own theory is that when you use a VED you are also stretching the emissary outflow veins. These are the veins that allow blood to flow out of the penis during flaccid but are compressed by the tunica albuginea during an erection. I reckon due to stretching by VED use, these veins don't close completely.

Based on my own experience, it seems to be temporary and everything returns to normal after a few days of not using VED.

You could try any or all of the following:
- not pumping to 100%
- not holding for 15 mins
- not doing VED every day

Hope this helps

aquintance22

Quote from: jj21 on June 03, 2020, 07:02:04 AM
I have had the numbness and cold feeling after pumping too. For me this was a sign of over-pumping.

How long are you holding the erection each cycle? And are you giving your penis breaks before pumping again?

I think a few members here got swelling and even hernias from holding the erection int he pump too long, so it could be that.

Maybe try a diff protocol and see what works for you.

J

Thanks four your reply. I was holding the erection for 1-3 minutes with very short breaks in between (~ 10 sec.)  and yeah, I think that was too heavy on my dick.
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aquintance22

Quote from: PeetyPeet on June 03, 2020, 07:31:37 AM
VED use affecting erection quality and nocturnal erections is quite common. No-one is sure why, but my own theory is that when you use a VED you are also stretching the emissary outflow veins. These are the veins that allow blood to flow out of the penis during flaccid but are compressed by the tunica albuginea during an erection. I reckon due to stretching by VED use, these veins don't close completely.

Based on my own experience, it seems to be temporary and everything returns to normal after a few days of not using VED.

Hey man that's an interesting theory but also not really encouraging regarding VED use at all. :P

One can also interpret this in an extreme way, namely that in the long run, an "overuse" of VED can give you possibly a venous leak and hence, full blown ED.  ???

I think I'll take a definitive break first before continuing any VED whatsoever.
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PeetyPeet

Used carefully and safely, I don't think long term VED use will cause you any injury. I think there are members of this forum that have used VED for years without any negative effects.

Sorry, my bad, I see that you're not holding for 15 mins, but rather 1-3mins with a 10 sec cycle. If not doing so already, you could try removing your penis from the pump between cycles. I do this as I find it helps get more fresh blood in on repeated cycles.

Not pumping to 100% will most likely avoid too much stretching on the emissary outflow veins.


jj21

Definitely advise to take a break from VED for a few days then try with the protocol here... It's recommended to only hold for 10-15 seconds to avoid injury... That's the protocol that the most people have had success with.

Best of luck, hope you see results and report back for us all.

J
34 Years Old...Peyronies for 4 years. 20 Degree left and upwards curvature, major dents and narrowing, ED.

Implant + Tunica Expansion Procedure, 7th Feb 2023, Titan 22cm +1cm RTE, Partial revision 27th June 23 (fix pump, remove 10ml reservoir).

aquintance22

I was just taking a look at a German forum for PE where they also have a VED sub-forum: There are quite some guys without peyronies reporting about a reduction in erection quality after VEDing - all pumped to full erection for several sessions (if not more).

Normally it goes back to normal after quitting these habits some days as it seems. But this incidence is quite in favour of the protocol where you pump only to a certain point and not to a full erection.

Quite interesting: They also recommend using only pumps which have a display (analog or digital) for the negative pressure applied. They also provide some ranges and some max levels of vacuum pressures one shouldn't exceed.

I think it's really bad that all these high price medical VED come without such a display...
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Monty

Hi think you will find that the high quality unit come with a built in pressure release system, which should prevent you from damaging your dick.
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PeetyPeet

Quote from: aquintance22 on June 05, 2020, 09:16:18 AM
I think it's really bad that all these high price medical VED come without such a display...

I agree. I think a lot of medical products for male sexual dysfunction are overpriced. The materials and build quality just doesn't justify the price. They get away with it because they're marketing to desperate people who are willing to pay....

I use the SomaErect VED. I like it.....but it's not worth £200.


melting

Peety, great info!

After some days or weeks of use it's also possible that you stretched the tissue a bit. To the point that it doesn't get as hard as easily. That's not necessarily bad and should be alleviated after 1 or more days off.

Doctors and manufactures protocols are often what works for the average person. You might need a lot less time and intensity(or more). 15 minutes is a lot right from the start. I don't understand why docs and manufactures don't tell people to start with 3 minutes and go from there..
Also doing 3 times 5 minutes and then lightly massing inbetween sets can mitigate most problems.

And yes, what penis enlargement and pump aficionados use is often as good if not better than the overpriced "medical" systems.
Just avoid the very cheap sex shop stuff.
I own two Standard Penis Pump Cylinders from "thickwall"(uk) which work fantastically.

Generally I would say, once you got accustomed, going for a slight stretch, never painful, is good. When I got really into it, extending too, I would, after some warm up, go for some seconds or minutes into a really challenging territory and then cut back.

Daily Transdermals and Traction/VED solved my Peyronies Disease https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,12587.0.html (DMSO+X)