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Eric_C

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Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« on: November 07, 2019, 03:24:03 PM »

Late last week I began my first two sessions of VED prep before beginning the proper daily protocol. In order to be super super careful, I thought I would just pump to 50-70% of an erection to keep it safe. I followed the instructions. 2-3 pumps then a 10-15 second pause.

I experienced no pain or swelling, but the feeling of the vacuum pulling against me was definitely a strange sensation. I figured everything was hunky dory and was pleased to start my therapy.

Unfortunately my penis has not responded well to this. After my first session I had a significant Hard Flaccid. My penis was flaccid, but very small and quite dense. Urination became slightly harder to commence the flow.

I figured it's just my tissues getting used to the therapy as I had read in the literature.

I had only used the C chamber, and never even became fully engorged. I never held the erection for more than about 20 seconds before releasing and having a good long wait before beginning another cycle (only did 3 or 4 cycles too).

After a day's rest, I did another session. Repeated the same kind of thing. Again, no pain, not 100% erect. No swelling, no bruising.

But afterwards I had a feeling of being stretched within my shaft. And then afterward I had Hard Falccid/a short, dense, semi-turtled flaccid.

I'm almost a week out and it still feels sore and irritated on and off. I daren't even think of masturbating. To be honest, I'm scared to get an erection. It seemed a bit better yesterday so since I hadn't ejaculaterd for about 11-12 days I thought I'd see what was going on, as it got to about halfway erect I felt a stretching sensation mid-shaft which concerned me - so I halted my investigation.

I'm absolutely gutted now. Wishing I had never tried it. I really could not have been anymore conservative or diligent with my technique either.

My flaccid penis is now sore, it's almost like there is no shaft at all, or, it is in a state of Hard Flaccid. I have no idea what this means, and to be honest, I have no real faith that anyone else does either.

I'm just gonna leave it alone and hope for the best.

I'm guessing my inflammation has re-started. It had been fine for a good while on that front.

I'm seriously troubled and disheartened by this.
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2019, 07:25:44 PM »

Less vacuum. I don't like how most of these are advertised. Someone starting out should start on the lowest end, 1-3 hg, 5 minutes.. and some of the people used to it can take a lot more incrementally(especially in time under pressure). Same with traction.
 
Possibly your pelvic floor reacted to it. If you would pull on your penis the pelvic floor reacts by pulling it back in/resists, tensing everything up..
This might've happened and sometimes the body keeps that state chronic. Relax your Pelvic Floor.(there are some exercises around)

If it's due to tensing there then also low bloodflow and hence low oxygen etc. which then favors inflammation.

Obviously don't give up in your way to betterment..
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2019, 08:34:09 PM »

I wonder if heat before and/or after VED may help?
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2019, 09:35:53 PM »

Tony, it surely can. It loosens up the tissue and has a well researched effect on collagenous tissue in other body parts.
Clearly heated pumping creates an easier ability to expand the tissue. The only downside is that it also allows lymphatic fluids to enter the skin easier(bloating).
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 09:11:18 AM »

Melting: Yes that sounds like a better approach, although I'm not familiar with the pressure increments (hg).

I feel like 3 full pumps was way too much for me. I was only ever an average size and I've lost a good chunk of that volume so it would not take much to pump that up. 1 pump then a 10 second wait would have been a safer method for me.

I watched a video by Neo V and he talks about even half pumps can be used and I'm inclined to agree. I put the VED against my hand and even a half pump has a fair impact.

I feel like I have disturbed a structure (the scar/plaque?)/some lining within my shaft and have now got inflammation.

My pelvic floor was actually checked recently and is in good kilter. However, I did have hard flaccid on and off for years. So I believe a rectal pelvic floor clean bill of health does not necessarily equate to freedom from Hard Flaccid.

The 3 more penile parts of the pelvic floor in the frontal zone that directly attach to and form the penile root can be in a state of tension or fright, I beleive, and this is what casues the symptoms many of us witness.

I plan to release muscular tension in the surrounding muscles and work on breatrhing exercises to aid this.

Hi TonySa,

How can I use heat to treat the area without heat soaking my testicles? I dont like the idea of a rice sock. My unit is too tender to manually handle at the moment. I would not want to do anything to it at all to be honest. But at times I've instinctively felt heat would help, and hot baths are not an option. Showers, yes. But showers and stanmding still both induce hard flaccid.... sitting or laying relieves it (somewhat).

Thank you both, very helpful input.
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2019, 10:08:29 AM »

Agree on everything you said reg. pumping.

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I feel like I have disturbed a structure (the scar/plaque?)/some lining within my shaft and have now got inflammation.
That's possible, if you think about it the tissue surrounding the plaque could be the first to be inflamed. Get that inflammation down before doing anything(lots about anti inflammation found here, maybe take Pentox if you can..)

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My pelvic floor was actually checked recently and is in good kilter. However, I did have hard flaccid on and off for years. So I believe a rectal pelvic floor clean bill of health does not necessarily equate to freedom from Hard Flaccid.

The 3 more penile parts of the pelvic floor in the frontal zone that directly attach to and form the penile root can be in a state of tension or fright, I beleive, and this is what casues the symptoms many of us witness.

Yeah, there doesn't need to be any injury to have PF imbalances/tension. Reminds me of shoulder tensions many people have. Can be as chronic, subconscious and "weird". Your observation on the parts is very good. In essence you would want to be able to relax the whole area within your hips from the tailbone and abs down. To get there I think expanding/stretching it with the help of breathing is helpful. (though the resting/relax point is at the end of the exhale) (You might try this: https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,12619.msg115954.html#msg115954) Of course there might be more exercise or even help of a "pelvic floor specialists" needed.

Reg. heat application(not recommended while your are inflammed) You can wrap a heating pad around the pump prior to using it(not too hot)
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2019, 05:33:38 PM »

This is why I haven't been using VED; I'm afraid it will aggravate my hard flaccid. And I'm at a point where my entire focus is relieving myself of the condition, so I don't want any setbacks.

That being said, I would definitely suggest to anyone reading this to use heat before using VED. Buying a VED with a pressure gauge should also come in handy. I've never heard of the issue you're facing after using VED, Eric, but I hope it goes away sooner rather than later. Keep us posted.
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2019, 08:10:26 PM »

I found wrapping the shaft of my penis w “hothands” worked well.  It doesn’t need to cover it completely-the heat radiates outward.  Don’t use tape w adhesive, try the non adhesive stretch ones—such as Coflex.
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 07:12:19 PM »

Melting: Thanks for the input. Yes you nailed it there with the word expansion. I could definitely benefit from regular breathing exercises to improve my function there. A boost to the parasympathetic nervous system might loosen up overall muscle tone and decrease hard flaccid.

I think my penis is definitely inflamed, I might visit the GP about it and see if she'll prescribe Pentox. Although it's not commonly prescribed here for penis related stuff. I might even get on ibuprofen as it's been 1 week now and I'm still not back to normal. Could Pentox exacerbate my symptoms at all through extra blood-flow? I'm starting to think I should just leave it alone and let it stabilise. Thjats all I've done to it so far this last week.

Yes you're right I think, stay well away from heat for the minute.

TonySa: Thanks for the info man. I'll bear that in mind if I require heat in the future. Too sore for the moment though. If I tied something to my penis now I feel like my glans might just fall off. The whole thing just feels super fragile/weak).

You're definitely smart JS1991 to hold off on VED until you've resolved/improved HF. That was my initial intention - but I started reading about how you must get on VED sooner rather than later if you want to see results, and I started to think my angle was increasing, so I got on the case quicker. I never rushed or anything and studied this for quite a long time.

So I'll keep you guys updated, hopefully it passes and things return to normal. Not a lot I can do, I made the best decision I could at the time and was as cautious as I could be.
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2019, 07:21:54 PM »

Oh yeah, our great health systems in europe :/
Yes, Pentox will most probably help you. Insist on it(you are sure it will help you) and at worst game the system by making something up that it is indicated for.

You might check my posts in the alternative treatments forum regarding DMSO and transdermals which I think could help focusing on the area of the inflammation.(lot's of DIY though)
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Re: Discouraging Response to First VED Use
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2019, 04:22:52 PM »

I’d recommend following the VED protocols here quite closely...unfortunately many have had setbacks by over inflating. https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/board,38.0.html
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