How good is traction?

[Godisreal]

Hey fellas. This is me reaching out to everybody who's including traction in their treatment!
How good is it? I'm stuck with a 25 degree dorsal curve and I'm planning on starting hand-traction soon... I've seen NeoV's videos on YouTube and it seems to me that traction is a good thing to include in my treatment. I would really like to avoid any devices or VED.
Anyway, I would really like to hear about your personal experiences, please share your knowledge with a fellow sufferer.
Thank you  

[melting]

My ideas due to personal experience:

Traction is very good.
Figuring out how to wear a traction device can take some time and ingenuity.
Always start on the low end of intensity and time. Increase the time under traction slowly. Only after you reached the maximum time increase the intensity slowly(the stretch). Heat can help for a warm up. Be observant of your penis while in traction. Take pauses when you get cold. Overall it's good to have some consecutive days of doing traction.
Nontheless, I think it's good to challenge the tissue a little bit from time to time after you know what you're doing. Slowly increasing the stretch until it feels a little bit uncomfortable(but never painful)
Me personally would also apply transdermal applications while doing it(I started a thread in my profile).

If you have an upwards curve you might think about adding a fulcrum during traction. That fulcrum would be placed in the middle of your curve and below your penis.. so that you bend towards the opposite direction. For example using an extender you would place a horizontal bar ontop of the vertical bars and below your penis. Such a fulcrum would decrease the wear time a lot though you might not do it all the time you do traction.

[TonySa]

Be sure to read the survival guide.  https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,3180.msg44057.html#msg44057
If trying unusual strategies be sure to be well educated on the subject as DSMO can carry contaminants (even from plastics) into the tissues and blood.

[Godisreal]

Thank you for your replies lads!
melting, After doing some research and reading your message I believe I will try to do mild traction by hand when I take a piss or when I'm in the shower. Since I'm a victim of hard flaccid most of the time I can't do it too much imo.
I appreciate you sharing your experience with traction melting, but I would prefer staying out of any devices for now - and since my curve increased significantly after I re-injured myself after a harsh doctor's examination, I'm still not sure if I should maybe wait for it to heal properly and focus on diet and stay low on carbs or if I should start traction immediately...
What do you think?
Btw my injury is (most likely) a series of minor injuries that never got a chance to heal and it then caused the scar on my front side that then ultimately lead to the increased curvature

[melting]

If you're in an active phase and with hard flaccid issues, you want to rather focus on getting inflammation down. Any stretching etc. might make it worse right now.
If you stretch then make sure that your pelvic floor isn't getting tight in response but that you "give in" into the stretch. Ease into every stretch. Never abrupt stretching(which docs love to do!).

I'm very convinced on transdermal applications, if in inflammatory stage, then transdermal anti inflammatories, like iodine and others that are safe to take, combined with DMSO.(which many will tell you is an "alternative treatment" with dangers, so educate yourself )

[TonySa]

G, do you have peyronies or is it a cogenital curve?

[NeoV]

Traction is the #1 therapy to me, besides fasting or diet. The results are radical in many cases.

[Godisreal]

I've had a small congenital upward curve my entire life. But it became a lot worse and I have pain that comes in waves maybe once or twice a day... very weird
Btw I have a noticeable hard scar that is causing the sharp upward curve which appeared after a doctor's examination made it worse, before that I only had a few soft lumps that didn't cause any change in shape or anything. But my dick was definitely hurt before the examination after potential semi erect masturbation, I'm not sure tho. How this evolved from the start is a fkn mystery...
but I'm afraid the doctor started some kind of process in my dick since it was already sore.
My situation hasn't gotten worse at all after that tho. But I'm pretty sure I'm not "stable" since I feel pain, I have hard flaccid occasionally and my dick is very warm most of the time.
I believe that states there's an active inflammation going on.
This was me telling very shortly about my situation.
Thanks for your help guys
- Godisreal

[melting]

The soft plaques often go hard which might be the progression you observe.  

Most logic to your observations would be to do anti inflammatory steps now. Don't do anything that could create further damage until your got rid of the inflammation. Until then I wouldn't use traction either.
Anti inflammatory supplements orally and transdermaly would be my suggestion.  
Iodine might be a good idea and can be used without a transdermal agent like DMSO directly to the skin.

Once you got the inflammation down you can keep doing supplements but something mechanical like traction along with it is advised. Basically focusing on working against the curve without creating any further damage.

[Woodynson]

"Never abrupt stretching(which docs love to do!)."

My doctor stretched my dick, by hand, abruptly. I asked him if it was supposed to be that way. He said it was...
I've been hurting my self for months, and the scar got worse.

Now i'm going very easy...

You guys be very carefull with doctor pulling your dicks.

[P1992]

Fernando,


who is your doctor? If you can't expose his name around here for ethical reasons, please drop me a PV

[Godisreal]

Do y'all believe there's a big difference in success rate between traction by hand and tracion-devices? I'd prefer traction by hand all day but I'm not sure which tactic has the best success rate.
Or maybe it's pretty much the same?  

[TonySa]

I'd say traction w devices because it can be done longer periods of time.  Although you'll find those who swear by hand traction, and if that's what you prefer why not give it a shot in conjunction w other treatments such as pentox and low dose nightly PDE5i?

[Godisreal]

Seems like an accurate approach TonySa. But I'm not sure how viagra/Cialis would benefit those who already get random erections during nighttime and so on... I mean, it's not the PDE5i that helps remodel the plaque, it's the actual erections, right? Which those with Erectile Disfunction can't seem to get, so ultimately they have to get help in form of Cialis/viagra.
Is my statement correct?
Thanks again for answering  

[samsung]

Tony more knowledgeable than me but is my understanding that Cialis, etc. useful because it is bringing more blood to area, can help to remodel plaque. Not just for function of inducing erections.  

[Godisreal]

I understand, would you recommend me getting a prescription of cialis or viagra? Or should it be "enough" to stick with coq10, vitamins and ALCAR + low carb diet to hopefully remodel soft plaque? I would believe that would do a great difference? I'm talking about me personally now, I know it's different for everybody. I'm gonna start traction as soon as inflammation is pretty much non existent...

[samsung]

That would be a question for the doctor. And I don't know enough about your history. Sorry.  

[Godisreal]

I'm speaking theoretically man... if the supplements I listed along with a low carb diet has the potential of remodeling and dissolving new plaque forming? Or is an individual with acute stage peyronies forced to involve pentox or cialis to even have a fair chance of counterattacking the plaque forming?
That's more accurate. Might still be hard for you or anyone to answer that question lol  

[melting]

The logic behind taking cialis etc. is also that it grants a constant blood flow to the penis.
The big problem with peyronies is that the inflammation is trapped in the penis, compared to lets say inflammation in the arms, legs.  
So whatever you take orally might not even reach the plaque in amounts that can dissolve it. (That's why I personally am very convinced of transdermal application of supplements, if possible, but that can be very cumbersome DIY..)

Acetyl L Carnitine is surely a good oral supplement for it's abilities to take up fats(low carb) though and taking the supplements orally is still better than not taking them.

[Godisreal]

Thanks for your input melting. But if you're personally in favor of transdermal application of supplements, what supplements would you recommend? I mean I'm a fan of massaging my dick with olive oil, feels like it's doing good for inflammation... but what else could I apply the transdermal way?
Thanks again

[melting]

I made a thread in the alternative treatment forums "DMSO + X".
Theoretically all supplements that can help, don't irritate the skin and have a low molecular weight that can be penetrate the skin with the help of carrier ( DMSO - which needs DIY and understanding - lot's of info on the forum )