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Quote from: projectpd on June 16, 2020, 02:40:11 PM

In a study on transdermal serrapeptase, DMSO and Isopropyl Myristate were credited with effectiveness, in a comparison where many other candidates didn't.
serrapeptase has a huge molecular weight. I got some ! it has no smell at all.

Also other general factors are bound to be relevant such as pH, temperature, hydration. Not always in the most obvious way, I read a paper where hydration was thought to be detrimental to the agent's absorption, purportedly it might detract from the hydration gradient that  helped that substance to penetrate.

I have been wondering if other factors would also help, such as while using a stretcher (opens up spaces between skin cells) , VED (same).

3Mhz ultrasound (cheap devices available).

Percussion massager. These go up to 10,000 Hz. Don't really know if this should help, just a hunch.

I researched that a bit maybe posted on the forum about it and I thought it was not feasible to use Serrapeptase. Didn't they use a special form of it?
It's an interessting product though. Nattokinase and Serrapetase. I used 2 bottles of it orally and I have no idea if it helped.. probably had some effect..


Yes, just using dmso+X will most probably not solve peyronies easily. Especially thicker plaques. I often mentioned to use traction, VED etc. along with it.
I used an extender and while stetching applied DMSO+X (dont let plastic or metal come in contact with it)
I doubt it would've solved my Peyronies Disease without traction and VED.
Though I always observed that the plaques itself slowly lost substance after weeks of only dmso+X. The small remaining ones I had are gone after 3-4 months daily excessive applications.

Theoretically, the idea with the utlrasound and massager is to mess with the structure of the plaques. Again, in itself probably not enough but combined could have a compound effect.. The structure opening up allowing the dmso+X to easier get in and remain and then(not so likely) for the body to "reclaim" space with normal blood cells and material. Similar can happen with visible scars on skin.

Making the plaques flexible and increasing the size/stretch of the tissue around them was enough for me to revert most peyronies effects.

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Dipstick

Looking at superoxide dismutase.

I noticed it's molar mas is high? 32 kDa?

That's 32,000 g/mol right? So I doubt it can be used with DMSO then.

I don't understand if that is possible to be used as a transdermal. While its used in H100 cream.
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projectpd

don't know for sure considering serrapeptase.  don't think the study i was referring to used a special form of it. But there were a couple of studies on transdermal SOD using a "conventional liposomes" form by Claus Riedl.  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15982798/
it was a human form , super expensive and only available to labs. only 2mg /day. but a melon derived form looks very cheap at 21mg * 60 for 25$.  did good stuff for hamsters https://www.nmcd-journal.com/article/S0939-4753(09)00108-2/abstract

Age 57, Onset 2010, 2" shortening, shrinking and angulation of glans, weaker erections, 30 degree bend. Mild pain few months, but far from worst symptom. Tried many ideas, not just from here, but not consistently. Moderate improvement, maybe 40%

melting

QuoteSOD using a "conventional liposomes"
That was it! Everything reasonable that can help with no danger one can try. I checked the original study you linked and it seems they used normal serrapeptase, if it works in reality, for us.. I don't know.
That said, what we already have researched and tried is enough,in combination with other treaments(traction+ved+*xyz*) to get rid of peyronies symptoms. Dosage and frequency are important. The more of it, the more often, the better(WITHOUT causing any harm, obviously.).

Quote from: Dipstick on June 17, 2020, 02:52:44 AM
Looking at superoxide dismutase.

I noticed it's molar mas is high? 32 kDa?

That's 32,000 g/mol right? So I doubt it can be used with DMSO then.

I don't understand if that is possible to be used as a transdermal. While its used in H100 cream.

WHY do you look at it?

QuoteSuperoxide dismutase (SOD, EC 1.15.1.1) is an enzyme that alternately catalyzes the dismutation (or partitioning) of the superoxide (O2−) radical into ordinary molecular oxygen (O2) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). Superoxide is produced as a by-product of oxygen metabolism and, if not regulated, causes many types of cell damage.[2] Hydrogen peroxide is also damaging and is degraded by other enzymes such as catalase. Thus, SOD is an important antioxidant defense in nearly all living cells exposed to oxygen. One exception is Lactobacillus plantarum and related lactobacilli, which use a different mechanism to prevent damage from reactive O2−.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase

That sounds not so good in combination with DMSO.

The options available already work and have effects. A miracle stubstance would be great. Overnight dissolve of the plaque and fibrosis. That's what sometimes seem to work with xiaflex.(with the fitting circumstances)

But unlikely. All buy for home ways to get rid of scars on the body takes a lot of time. No known miracle creme, right..?
Cumbersome daily tedious use of several measures. Takes a lot mentally. Need to be healthy and without stress too.

I hope some pharmacist or similar will be able to formulate practical "potions" with transdermals that can be used in a way that fits.

Start with ascorbic Acid. It's one the most important supplement for humans. No Ascorbic Acid = DEATH. 99% of mammals

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melting


QuoteVitamin C is important in wound healing. Without enough vitamin C, a person can get a sickness called scurvy. Lack of vitamin C was a serious health problem on long ocean trips where supplies of fresh fruit were quickly used up. Many people died from scurvy on such trips.

Most animals make their own vitamin C. Some mammals cannot. Those that cannot include the main suborder of primates, the Haplorrhini: tarsiers, monkeys and apes, including humans. Others are bats, capybaras and guinea pigs.

QuoteFunctions of vitamin C in the body
In living organisms, ascorbate is an antioxidant, since it protects the body against oxidative stress.[1] It is also a cofactor in at least eight enzymatic reactions, including several collagen synthesis reactions that cause the most severe symptoms of scurvy when they are dysfunctional.[2] In animals, these reactions are especially important in wound-healing and in preventing bleeding from capillaries.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Vitamin_C_deficiency
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High doses (thousands of mg) may result in diarrhoea, which is harmless if the dose is reduced immediately. Some researchers (Cathcart) claim the onset of diarrhoea to be an indication of where the body's true vitamin C requirement lies.

The small size of the ascorbic acid molecule means the kidneys cannot retain it in the body. Quite a low level in the blood serum will cause traces to be present in the urine. All vitamin C synthesising mammals have traces in the urine at all times.

WHICH MEANS: You are loosing continuously vitamin C !!!

QuoteAlmost all mammals manufacture their own vitamin C in amounts equivalent to human doses of thousands of milligrams per day. Large amounts of the vitamin are used in orthomolecular medicine and no harmful effects have been observed even in doses of 10,000 mg per day or more.

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DMSO+VITAMIN C


Easy to mix, easy to use. If you know how to use DMSO(READ UP ON ITS DANGERS) then it's a very effective way to bring Ascorbic Acid directly to the plaques.
Only side effect, besides dmso which can burn skin in too high dosage(AND MANY CONTROLLABLE DANGERS), is staining of skin, especially in nails with direct contact of dmso+ascorbic acid.
It's the most researched and cheapest 'supplement' in the world. Read up on it.
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melting

QuoteSuperoxide dismutase is known to reverse fibrosis, possibly through de-differentiation of myofibroblasts back to fibroblasts.[54][further explanation needed]
wiki
Interesting

Quote from: Dipstick on June 17, 2020, 02:52:44 AM
Looking at superoxide dismutase.
I noticed it's molar mas is high? 32 kDa?
That's 32,000 g/mol right? So I doubt it can be used with DMSO then.
I don't understand if that is possible to be used as a transdermal. While its used in H100 cream.

It's used for superficial scars and to penetrate them deep I guess.
Theoretically that's too much weight but above Serrapeptase seemed to work too. I guess due to the high weight the total amount transported is minimal.. maybe idk.

I, FOR A FACT, know that almost all of the Ascorbic Acid moved deep into the body. I'm not 100% on all the other supplements I used. Sometimes feels like a lot remains on the skin. With Vitamin C it's ALMOST like I can feel it going through the body. With nails for example it does.
That's cause of it's ultra low weight. I SATURATE all dmso+ascorbic acid potions with ascorbic acid, meaning nothing dissolves and crystals remain clear remaining. 176,12 g/mol
AND it readily dissolves in water in large amounts. 330 g/L !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry_of_ascorbic_acid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C_megadosage#Adverse_effects

QuoteAlthough vitamin C can be well tolerated at doses well above what government organizations recommend, adverse effects can occur at doses above 3 grams per day. The common "threshold" side effect of megadoses is diarrhea. Other possible adverse effects include increased oxalate excretion and kidney stones, increased uric acid excretion, systemic conditioning ("rebound scurvy"), preoxidant effects, iron overload, reduced absorption of vitamin B12 and copper, increased oxygen demand, and acid erosion of the teeth when chewing vitamin C tablets.[1] In addition, one case has been noted of a woman who received a kidney transplant followed by high-dose vitamin C and died soon afterwards as a result of calcium oxalate deposits that destroyed her new kidney. Her doctors concluded that high-dose vitamin C therapy should be avoided in patients with kidney failure.[28]

The woman died cause the vitamin C dissolved/reacted with the calcium in her body(possibly also harmful calcium deposits).
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Overdose
As discussed previously, vitamin C generally exhibits low toxicity. The LD50 (the dose that will kill 50% of a population) is generally accepted to be 11,900 milligrams (11.9 grams) per kilogram in rat populations.
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Which means a 100kg person would THEORETICALLY need 1kg of ascorbic acid to die with a high %.

of course..
Quote6.3  Biological half-life by route of exposure

            The plasma half-life is reported to be 16 days in
            humans. This is different in people who have excess levels of
            vitamin C where the  half-life is 3.4 hours (Dollery,
            1991).

So you need to take a lot of ascorbic acid at once for a long time to create a problem. With whatever excsessive means I used dmso+ascorbic acid I never was anywhere near any toxic amounts and I sometimes used it 1 day all day.

THE KEY with DMSO+ASCORBIC ACID is obviously to use it as often as possible IF you want a lot of ascorbic acid around and inside the plaque. I THINK using it all day once a week or a months in big but healthy amounts can possibly deposit a lot of ascorbic acid via DMSO inside the plaque/fibrosis. CAUSE once it is inside the NOT NORMAL PEYRONIES TISSUE it will stay inside like it stays in nails. I THINK it make sense to use a handful of other healthy supplements+DMSO along with C every other day or application to compliment it. WHILE obviously making sure to use DMSO in healthy amounts.(READ UP ON DMSO and its dangers first 1-20 results google search. )
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melting

OBVIOUSLY

all with your own responsibility. I answer questions and answer to my best knowledge but I AM NO DOCTOR.
It's experimental and DIY and only for smart people who dont freak out without good reason.

IF YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT KNOWN DANGERS in time of google and unlimited access to most information its your problem.
Inform others about mishaps please and dangers you know about.  

But every danger you can read on google first 1-5 pages results and fall victim to, not on accident, you can't blame anyone else.
I burned my dick accidently with DMSO and it was kinda horrible but it's known and was only my fault. Learned from it and carried on and skin was brand new soon.
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hope794

Hello  everyone (especially melting, please read this bro lol)
Finally, today, DMSO and all the stuff arrived. I have:
DMSO ; Purified water ; Vit. C ; ALCAR ; Metformin ; Castor oil ; Xanthan gum; Iodine.
Today, i've tried to mix DMSO and purified water.

First of all, i used 30% DMSO and 70% Water or my arm to see if i had any adverse effect. NO EFFECTS.
After that, i've used 50% DMSO and 50% water on my arm, no effects so far, not even a burning sensation/feeling.
Tomorrow, i will probably go straight up to 70% DMSO, as stated in this post.

Furthermore, as melting said, the solution is really watery. I'll try to mix some xantan. Actually i've already tried to do so, but it came off a strange thing, like the xantan "agglomerated". Strange.

So my questions are:

1. It seems really strange to me that i didnt have any burning even with 50% DMSO. Is it normal? (Note that i've only used like 4 drops, not more!)

2. How many drops / mL must i use on the penis?

3. Should i massage the penis to spread the DMSO all over it (especially the plaque) after i've put the drops?

Thank you really much, i'll update you !!!

P.S. = it was a little bit sad to hear melting say that dmso+x only will not make the work :(

P.P.S = I was thinking about something.. even if i put 6mL of solution everyday, aren't the ingredients still too little for the plaque? Probably only some Milligrams really reach the plaque (like 10-20mg at best!) What do you think about it, guys?
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

melting

Quote from: hope794 on June 17, 2020, 06:46:17 PM

Furthermore, as melting said, the solution is really watery. I'll try to mix some xantan. Actually i've already tried to do so, but it came off a strange thing, like the xantan "agglomerated". Strange.


Yes XANTHAN will clump! You need an electric mixer. That's why it's a 2 part process.
DMSO+ some WATER heat reaction 1 glas. Then mix the X-Supplement with some other water in another glass and add XANTHAN to that AND THEN use a mixer, electric one, the ones you can operate with one hand and mix it thoroughly.
ONLY THEN add it to the DMSO+water mix and stir or shake it all WITHOUT the mixer cause OBVIOUSLY you don't want the metal and plastic of the mixer to interact with the DMSO. You can use a glass stirer or a wood stirer or just shake the glas carefully.

Also if the mix is still too watery you can mix some Xanthan in not much water and add that to the mix to make it more lotion like.

1. totally normal, different for everyone, some burn earlier some not at 95% and react at different points, so still be cautious with private parts. Beyond 90% I got problems. Sometimes problems only happen after some continious days of application. Easy solved.. cut dmso back and dilute with water and the supplement.
2. Enough to allow the dmso+X to reach the plaque.
3. Not necessarily. The dmso will readily absorb. But you can. Just note that this also moves the solution into your hands.

4. It maybe can, especially if done optimally, which I don't know how. But traction etc. surely is an easy way to further destabilize and stretch the plaque and the contracted tissue around it. Note that I stopped after some months when the plaques were still there(smaller though) but everything flexible enough to allow normal erections. I got rid of the last remains with only DMSO+X some months ago after using it again for 3-4 months and I nowhere used traction as much as I did first time. Only some manual + good erections + some VED

5. If you think about vitamin C and 1-3 applications a day coating the area or the whole penis then you actually get a lot that many wont get via diet. Also the amounts the supplement is told to work orally takes into consideration that it will be diluted and moved through the whole body reaching some parts in even smaller amounts. Here we focus it all on one specific part and from there it dilutes into the body.

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hope794

Melting bro, thanks for your reply, you've told me everything i wanted to know.

I've decided to ship back the product i've bought, it sucked, im pretty sure it was a scam. I'll buy another DMSO.
Did you buy from Amazon.de? Can you advice the product you used in PM?

Furthermore, i would like to know how many drops/ml you've applied on your penis. I've read your previous reply, but i'm really scared to make something stupid. Consider that 1ml are about 15-20 drops. How many should i put?

Thank you for your infinite patience.
Ehy, i was thinking about something. What about a Telegram group with all the guys trying DMSO? I think it can be way easier to communicate, share recipes, share experiences, results and so on. What do you guys think about it?
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

Tortão Pra Direita

Is somebody using DMSO + curcumin? I'm just waiting my curcumin to arrive.
I bought a DMSO cream (70% pharma grade DMSO + 30% aloe vera), then I'll mix it with ascorbic acid and curcumin.
1993 born. Brazil.
Peyronies since Sep 2019.
Penis developed curvature, lots of plaque, loss of size and axial rigidity. Severe peyronie.
Mar/21 TEP + Titan Touch 20 cm + 1.5 RTE.

Surgery done by Dr. Marco Tulio Cavalcanti, in São Paulo.

melting

Quote from: Tortão Pra Direita on June 18, 2020, 10:06:06 PM
Is somebody using DMSO + curcumin? I'm just waiting my curcumin to arrive.
I bought a DMSO cream (70% pharma grade DMSO + 30% aloe vera), then I'll mix it with ascorbic acid and curcumin.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/612c/66fc7a928e5edfe95fce473b42e8bcce8771.pdf

QuoteCurcumin has been extensively reported as a potential natural antioxidant. However, there was no data on activity comparison as well as the biological interactions of curcumin with other natural antioxidants. The aim of the present study was to investigate the antioxidant power of curcumin in comparison with three important natural antioxidants; gallic acid, ascorbic acid, and xanthone on free radical scavenging action and their combination effects on this activity. The results indicated that the activities of these compounds were dose-dependent. The 50% effective concentration (EC50) of curcumin was found to be 11 μg/mL. Curcumin showed significantly higher antioxidant activity than ascorbic acid and xanthone but less than gallic acid. Interestingly, curcumin revealed synergistic antioxidant effect when combined with gallic acid whereas the antagonistic effect occurred in curcumin combination with ascorbic acid or xanthone. These results suggest that curcumin-gallic acid combination is the potential antioxidant mixture to be used in place of the individual substance whereas using of curcumin in combination with ascorbic acid or xanthone should be avoid

Just found that first page google. Didn't investigate further. So maybe in the wrong context above but I wouldn't combine it on first look.
I would mix them seperate with the dmso+aloe.

A lot of people reported they bought aloe+dmso 70% but I was never sure if it is effective and didn't heard positive or negative about it. So it sure will have an effect, but how much I don't know compared to normal dmso mixed with X

Quote from: hope794 on June 18, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
I've decided to ship back the product i've bought, it sucked, im pretty sure it was a scam. I'll buy another DMSO.
Did you buy from Amazon.de? Can you advice the product you used in PM?

Furthermore, i would like to know how many drops/ml you've applied on your penis. I've read your previous reply, but i'm really scared to make something stupid. Consider that 1ml are about 15-20 drops. How many should i put?

Ehy, i was thinking about something. What about a Telegram group with all the guys trying DMSO? I think it can be way easier to communicate, share recipes, share experiences, results and so on. What do you guys think about it?

I bought several and all worked. Just buy the one with best rating or research the product company. Medical grade 99% is best.
It's an easy to produce product, very cheap. Makes no sense to scam and sell water or what.. If pure DMSO is in the Fridge then it will freeze above 0°C, sometimes around °6C or 10..

Then just start with one drop. Test and see if any adverse effects. If not, next time add another drop.. people react differently. Obvious if you have adverse effects you might stop immediately.
I sometimes coated my penis fully with it several times within a day or hour and nothing bad happened. A full glass 200ml of dmso+Ascorbic acid I surely did several times.

I personaly have no interest in a chat type fast moving thing. I like to write here where everyone can read it. Though I udnerstand some people want it private but I have no time to help more than a handfull people via pm or email already.
I will write soon anyway a more understandable how to, with pics to show how to mix it and then hope that someone keeps going that path, posting and updating. I read first from a guy talking about a "Doctor Thackers" like some US cowboy movie.
Best would be a doctor or pharmacists with some freedom and liberty to do it. I solved my issues and kind of have no capacity to research much more.

This was a valuable thread but with a lot of confusion and talking ideas. It needs to be consolidated boiled down
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Fix This

Hi Melting

Can I ask what type of Magnesium you use please?

And do you use a pre mixed liquid or powder/ flakes which you add to water ?

Interesting link here fellas regarding the seemingly many many uses of DMSO ( including a mention of peyronies ):

https://pforlife.com/dmso-article-2.html

Thanks again


Fix
47 , penis trauma July 2018 leading to Peyronies. 30-40 degree dorsal curvature, narrowing after plaque. 

I'm attacking it though, and I will fix this!

VED, traction, DMSO, Ultrasound, Acupuncture, meds, herbs

Fix This

Also, does anyone know of a table / chart / list of molecular weights of all of these various compounds ?

Seems to me we could ascertain which substances are more likely to penetrate if we could check their molecular weight every time that compound comes up as a possible treatment ?

Fix
47 , penis trauma July 2018 leading to Peyronies. 30-40 degree dorsal curvature, narrowing after plaque. 

I'm attacking it though, and I will fix this!

VED, traction, DMSO, Ultrasound, Acupuncture, meds, herbs

melting

MgCl2 is the magnesium and I used it in 3 different forms, flakes, 'powder' and pre mixed 'Magnesium Oil'(it's not oil it just feels oily)

You can find most molecular weights easily asking google for "chemical"+"molecular weight". Sometimes it immediately shows the weight without a link

But a list would be great of all supplements that are likely to work with dmso and which are probably too big.
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Fix This

Thanks Melting. I already have some organic epsom salts which are Magnesium Chloride rather than the Magnesium Sulphate  MCGL2 that you are using. Any difference between using these two different types of Magnesium that you're aware of ?

By the way/ I have been using DMSO a lot again this week. 3-5 times a day and at least once a day whilst using the penimsaster pro as traction. It certainly does feel as though it is benefitting and that the plaque nodule MAY be getting smaller. I may also be seeing a slight curvature improvement but will take more time to confirm

I have noticed the horzontal lines/wrinkles quite bad today across my flacid penis. The skin is looking quite red so I think I've been doing too much this week possibly, and posibly too much DMSO. I'm going to refrain from any more DMSO treatment today and possibly for a few days and instead just moisturise a lot instead. Hopefully this will return the skin to it's former state. It's not too bad , but is something that needs to be noted. The percentages that are suitable for each individual will differ as you've pointed out . So I would suggest a slow increase in the amount of DMSO used for those new to this ( or even those not new to it!)






47 , penis trauma July 2018 leading to Peyronies. 30-40 degree dorsal curvature, narrowing after plaque. 

I'm attacking it though, and I will fix this!

VED, traction, DMSO, Ultrasound, Acupuncture, meds, herbs

projectpd

@Fix This, you wrote it the wrong way round, epsom salts is magnesium sulphate, magnesium chloride (MgCl2) is probably preferable though - less toxicity: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7508381_Magnesium_chloride_or_magnesium_sulfate_A_genuine_question
Age 57, Onset 2010, 2" shortening, shrinking and angulation of glans, weaker erections, 30 degree bend. Mild pain few months, but far from worst symptom. Tried many ideas, not just from here, but not consistently. Moderate improvement, maybe 40%

melting

If you get adverse effects due to the DMSO just dilute it. You can just add more water and it will less strong.
And if bad, like too dry or wrinkling use more lotion, whatever healthy type you can find.

Will be different for everyone. Start low and then increase time and % of DMSO. But as said, it already works with 10% but should be fine for most at 70% too.
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Tortão Pra Direita

Quote from: melting on June 19, 2020, 06:01:51 PM
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/612c/66fc7a928e5edfe95fce473b42e8bcce8771.pdf

Just found that first page google. Didn't investigate further. So maybe in the wrong context above but I wouldn't combine it on first look.
I would mix them seperate with the dmso+aloe.

A lot of people reported they bought aloe+dmso 70% but I was never sure if it is effective and didn't heard positive or negative about it. So it sure will have an effect, but how much I don't know compared to normal dmso mixed with X

Man, thanks for your answer. Seems best to avoid vitamin C + curcumin combination. Better safe than sorry.
1993 born. Brazil.
Peyronies since Sep 2019.
Penis developed curvature, lots of plaque, loss of size and axial rigidity. Severe peyronie.
Mar/21 TEP + Titan Touch 20 cm + 1.5 RTE.

Surgery done by Dr. Marco Tulio Cavalcanti, in São Paulo.

melting

I mean it doesn't sound like there's a danger and in any case you should always test all mixes with some drops on your arm or leg skin..
But vitamins and other supplements do react with each other creating new chemical chains. They then might weight more or dilute/change their helping properties. So I mostly used 1 supplement+DMSO. If I wanted another supplement into the regime I used another dmso+X mix in another bottle.

But some combos can be good without much direct interactions.. like vitamin C and E.. certainly worth looking into and researching.
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Fix This

Thanks ProjectPD. Yes, you're right I wrote them the wrong way around

Anyway, I'm going to lay off all of this DMSO treatment now. I've clearly damaged my old boy with this. Despite having used it quite a bit before.I never experienced this before and now aswell as having curvature/ narrowing when erect I also have what appears to be the penis if a 100 year old man when flacid! I'm very much hoping it's not permanent

I'm going to be spending the next few weeks seeking lotions and treatment that will hopefully get rid of these lines and wrinkles, although I suspect this may be a job for a dermatologist after the lockdown.

Mistakes that I may have made to cause this may have been to not wash the mixtures off after half an hour. I think this would have been enough time for it to do it's work and could have made a difference. Aldo possibly pre mixing with the dmso in advance as Melting does. I always mixed just before application as I'd read that that is the point when the DMSO will work . This way it is harder to measure exactly how much you are using and it's 'exothermic' at this point as stated earlier in this post I think . Although I never had this problem in past useage , so I'm more inclined to think that just the sheer frequency that I have been applying ( 4-6 times a day ) is also a factor

If you're reasonably happy with where you are with your junk currently, I would tread very carefully with DMSO. I have to admit, I was pretty happy a few weeks ago with the progress I'd made over the last couple of years . But I do regret my recent use/overuse of DMSO.

I'm not doubting the success that you've had Melting. But need to let the other guys know that this can happen also

I'm pretty determined to fix things when I'm not happy about it. Unfortunately it looks as though I've created something else now that I need to fix! But fortunately where there's a will there's a way



47 , penis trauma July 2018 leading to Peyronies. 30-40 degree dorsal curvature, narrowing after plaque. 

I'm attacking it though, and I will fix this!

VED, traction, DMSO, Ultrasound, Acupuncture, meds, herbs

TonySa

Thanks Fix, I think the caution is very important.  Safe DMSO usage takes MUCH VIGILANCE and perhaps an element of luck.  IMHO
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

MacMathuna

DMSO + Pentox?

Has anybody tried this?

It's water soluble so I guess you could just mix it the same way you'd mix DMOS + Asorbic Acid.  
27 yr/o
Symptoms presented August 20, 2019
Slight bend to the left and down
downward hinging
distal hourglassing
loss of sensation

melting

Quote from: Fix This on June 23, 2020, 09:03:07 AM

Aldo possibly pre mixing with the dmso in advance as Melting does. I always mixed just before applicationas I'd read that that is the point when the DMSO will work . This way it is harder to measure exactly how much you are using and it's 'exothermic' at this point as stated earlier in this post I think . Although I never had this problem in past useage , so I'm more inclined to think that just the sheer frequency that I have been applying ( 4-6 times a day ) is also a factor

You got it! That's the problem with DIY and it sucks. Will happen again and again to people. Too bad most other treatments suck at least outside the US.. I'm sorry.

But ..who said that DMSO works only that way? ITS FALSE!
You can premix and let it sit in a bottle for days depending on the supplement and it will still have it's effect.

I mentioned several times creating the dmso+water reaction before mixing with the supplement well in advance.
If you don't do that it will react with the water in your skin. Depending on the % of DMSO applied it might happen immediately or over time.

I learned it all the hard way burning the whole skin of my dick lol Took some weeks to heal.
I suspect the wrinkly skin is a stage before that but as it's not totally destroyed like with burning it wont replace as directly and obvious.

Again, as mentioned a dozen times, observe your skin and act accordingly. When the skin is bad you can't apply dmso anymore and plaques will get hard again, at least that's what happened with mine.

I need to write one post with all of it in it cause people are not able to read a thread like this whole. That's my fault for not doing it yet.




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melting

Quote from: MacMathuna on June 24, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
DMSO + Pentox?

Has anybody tried this?

It's water soluble so I guess you could just mix it the same way you'd mix DMOS + Asorbic Acid.
You can mix it yes. Of course if it's in pill form, pressed, then you might get a lot of filler material. Not sure if pure pentox is available..(be aware of dosage, AGAIN not personal, but some fool will use 20 pentox tablets at once).
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melting

Quote from: Fix This on June 23, 2020, 09:03:07 AM
I've clearly damaged my old boy with this.

Fix This! look what I found:
https://books.google.de/books?id=1mqZBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=dmso+wrinkles+skin&source=bl&ots=gxXLLSGAXE&sig=ACfU3U0fPu2UJq4c1Cp5UO0iWnFhuja0ww&hl=de&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=wrinkle&f=false

It's a link to a google books excerpt of "DMSO Nature's Healer". Not sure if link works, please note attached pic below.(edit, can't attach, check here: https://imgur.com/a/h3yWQ8c )

"The skin may wrinkle and stay that way for several days". Note the book says it's directly related to the strength of solution. Obviously might also be in relation to the frequency and way of mixing right before application causing the same effect.

I'm starting to think we should recommend to start with something like 25% DMSO solutions, 1 application a day, when starting out and increase from there.

Please use some Aloe vera lotion and/or other nourishing lotions. This might take days or weeks until the skin has renewed.
Theoretically some sort of very soft peeling(there are face peelings that are not as hard has body peelings) might help speed that up.(of course be careful cause it could also aggravate)

If you had the feeling the applications help then think about restarting them with much lower dmso concentrations and pre-mix with water well in advance to have the exothermic reaction prior.

I rarely had problems with it after I burned myself.

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projectpd

if you google it enough , you can obtain the full book (410 pages) as a pdf.   The book even mentioned using DMSO by itself for Peyronies Disease, and that the treatment takes over a year.

I haven't really found DMSO itself too irritating at eg. even 70% but mixed with iodine or ethanol, and acids it is much more so , but those are by themselves anyway.

aloe vera is great, I got some organic gel aloe vera with seaweed extract (Seven Minerals), this is certainly effective for burning/irritation.  

Interesting how long DMSO has been around, there was been a small study (n=12 )with DMSO alone for Peyronies Disease, as far back as 1969, the full text wasn't free though.

apart from DMSO as a transdermal agent, other methods are possible, as, e.g. diclofenac gel spray has been studied as penetrating to synovial fluid in the knee.
Age 57, Onset 2010, 2" shortening, shrinking and angulation of glans, weaker erections, 30 degree bend. Mild pain few months, but far from worst symptom. Tried many ideas, not just from here, but not consistently. Moderate improvement, maybe 40%

MacMathuna

Quote from: melting on June 25, 2020, 07:38:23 PM
You can mix it yes. Of course if it's in pill form, pressed, then you might get a lot of filler material. Not sure if pure pentox is available..(be aware of dosage, AGAIN not personal, but some fool will use 20 pentox tablets at once).

Hmmm... what do you mean my filler material? Is this just other stuff that's in the pill to carry the pentox? Is the filler a problem--could it be bad to have it carried into my skin? Or is it just that there's not enough of the actual pentox in a pill to be worth using with DMSO?

I was thinking I would just crush one or two tablets for a mix. If I'm taking the pentox anyway, it's gonna get in my bloodstream just as well by using it with DMSO as taking it orally, and some of it might reach the plaque, right?

I'm also wondering about certain drugs needing to be processed by the body before they're useful, so applying them directly to the plaque might not be helpful. Like, pentox is supposed to increase bloodflow to your extremities and that's why it might be helpful for Peyronies Disease, but it's not going to dissolve plaque right? (Or L-citrulline is supposed to help your body produce l-arginine, so applying l-citrulline directly wouldn't do anything, just as an example.)
It seems like there's certain drugs that it wouldn't help any better to have them in contact with the plaque than it would be to just take them orally. But would applying pentox topically w/ DMSO cause more of the encouraged bloodflow to be sent to your penis in particular? I don't know how this stuff works. lol
Also, when you apply a drug with DMSO, is more of it going to get into your bloodstream than if you have to process it through your stomach first when taking orally?

So many questions.
27 yr/o
Symptoms presented August 20, 2019
Slight bend to the left and down
downward hinging
distal hourglassing
loss of sensation

melting

Quote from: MacMathuna on June 27, 2020, 10:06:15 AM
Hmmm... what do you mean my filler material? Is this just other stuff that's in the pill to carry the pentox? Is the filler a problem--could it be bad to have it carried into my skin? Or is it just that there's not enough of the actual pentox in a pill to be worth using with DMSO?

I was thinking I would just crush one or two tablets for a mix. If I'm taking the pentox anyway, it's gonna get in my bloodstream just as well by using it with DMSO as taking it orally, and some of it might reach the plaque, right?

right.. obv. see amounts you take in total..

Pentox is a regulated medicament so I doubt the filler material is a big problem. But who knows,.. could be irritating skin..
It has to be in the "side effects letter" what is in it. Pentox amount also what is on the letter.

I did that with some stuff and what happens most time is that the filler material will just remain in the solution and will remain on skin after dmso shuttled in transdermal what it can(low molecular weight). So you can then wash the filler off.
I just grinded the tablets in these cases into the smallest possible powder.



QuoteI'm also wondering about certain drugs needing to be processed by the body before they're useful, so applying them directly to the plaque might not be helpful.


Very good points!

If something works on an organ that then produces something into the bloodstream, yes. No need to apply locally.
Pentox:
Pentoxifylline is used to improve blood flow in patients with circulation problems to reduce aching, cramping, and tiredness in the hands and feet. It works by decreasing the thickness (viscosity) of blood. This change allows your blood to flow more easily, especially in the small blood vessels of the hands and feet.[/quote]

I think it works right there in the blood. A 'particle attaching to blood'. Orally works, but it also is hard on the stomach for many.. anything going in transcendentally will also reach blood sooner or later anyway. So I think transdermal pentox will work too. It doesn't need the stomach itself to function.

I could guess that pentox systemically in blood might still not reach the fine blood tissue in the penis. (that's also why pde's are recommended for many cause more blood flow to the penis helping synergistically). So putting it right there it might react with thick blood in the penis.

QuoteAlso, when you apply a drug with DMSO, is more of it going to get into your bloodstream than if you have to process it through your stomach first when taking orally?

Theoretically if the dmso manages to shuttle it all in then you will get more of the drug than orally cause the stomach is not perfect with taking nutrients.

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Holistic

Quote from: melting on October 21, 2019, 06:54:42 PM

The biggest problem with the DMSO+X(like Ascorbic Acid, magnesium or Vit e) was that it's runny.
With Thackers Formula the biggest problem was that it didn't mix.

I got all the stuff DMSO, Castor oil(cold pressed), vit c, magnesium etc. and now will work on finding a way to get an easy usable solution/creme/wax/lotion to apply the good ingredients without hassle.

Hey melting,

I think im doing this quote thing right....anyways, I have seen a couple posts where you mention Vit C mixed in with your DMSO. Just for clarification, when you say pure Vit C powder, do you mean vit C crystals or do you actually mean powder? If it actually is powder (like consistency of flour), what brand do you use?

Because I take Vit C crystals from the company "Now". I actually tried dissolving it in the castor oil but it was still in crystal form. Wasnt sure if the crystals undissolved are still effective or not. I guess not since theyre still on the skin surface from an over night application
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

Holistic

Quote from: melting on October 21, 2019, 11:00:37 PM
TO THICKEN THE SOLUTION

Would be great to have it more gel like.

In case I might have missed a post somewhere (since there are hundreds of places to go looking for specific info even with the search bar), has anyone considered the gel that is used for therapeutic ultrasound? Seeing as it is used as a conductor on the skin and can be mixed with biofreeze or any medication when using ultrasound...I wonder if that can be used in the DMSO application to make it more gel like....Thinking out loud.
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

MacMathuna

Melting,

Thank you for your thorough reply.

Quote from: melting link=topic=12587.msg123987#msg123987 date=1593282638


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I think it works right there in the blood. A 'particle attaching to blood'. Orally works, but it also is hard on the stomach for many.. anything going in transcendentally will also reach blood sooner or later anyway. So I think transdermal pentox will work too. It doesn't need the stomach itself to function.

I could guess that pentox systemically in blood might still not reach the fine blood tissue in the penis. (that's also why pde's are recommended for many cause more blood flow to the penis helping synergistically). So putting it right there it might react with thick blood in the penis.



Ok, so I'm hearing that pentoxiphylline reacts directly with the blood, rather than being processed by the body and then being turned into something else (like how l-citrulline helps the body produce l-arginine).

I guess I will give DMSO+Pentox a try then.



27 yr/o
Symptoms presented August 20, 2019
Slight bend to the left and down
downward hinging
distal hourglassing
loss of sensation

hope794

i'll try again to make this question:

How much milliliters or drops of DMSO+X do you apply every time on the penis?
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

melting

Quote from: Holistic on June 28, 2020, 12:49:33 PM
Just for clarification, when you say pure Vit C powder, do you mean vit C crystals or do you actually mean powder?

Because I take Vit C crystals from the company "Now". I actually tried dissolving it in the castor oil but it was still in crystal form. Wasnt sure if the crystals undissolved are still effective or not. I guess not since theyre still on the skin surface from an over night application


100 % Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C) . It's hard crystals I guess and your product seems ok albeit a bit expensive? I pay 2.20 $ for 100g.. maybe one of the few good things in germany is that vitamin C is available dirt cheap in every grocery store. I had people in some countries not having it available in a shop.

It wont dissolve in oils so it didn't do anything and just sit on your skin ;). It's water soluble (easily and readily). You have to put in water until you can't dissolve more(saturated). If you want to combine it with oil you need an emulsifier added that "connects" the water and oil. That's basically how many lotions etc. are made and what I presented in this thread. For example Xanthan or lecithin..

Vitamin E for example is an oil soluble vitamin (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fat-soluble-vitamins) which wont dissolve in water and needs oil.
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melting

Quote from: Holistic on June 28, 2020, 12:53:56 PM
has anyone considered the gel that is used for therapeutic ultrasound?

Would love to have more info about it.. ingredients etc. then we can see if there are any possible issues with DMSO. But if its used on skin with ultrasound good chance it's ok. Then we need to see if we can buy it and mix it with dmso..
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melting

Quote from: hope794 on June 28, 2020, 04:32:44 PM
i'll try again to make this question:

How much milliliters or drops of DMSO+X do you apply every time on the penis?

Start with just some drops and see how skin etc. reacts.  
But I basically coat the whole penis with it and then sometimes I did that several times an hour. (after getting used to it)

You have to be aware of how much of the supplement-X you put into your mix. With vitaminC-X for example I can apply bottle after bottle without any worry lol. But for example iodine-X you see what the maximum dosage is and how much is in your bottle. I never worried much about it though cause the amounts are mostly less than I would've taken orally.
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Holistic

Quote from: melting on June 28, 2020, 05:24:59 PM
Would love to have more info about it.. ingredients etc.

Tomorrow, Ill check out what kind of gel we use in our clinic for physical therapy. and try to find this message. I see once I look at the new messages, they disappear and I cant find them anymore.
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

hope794

Quote from: melting on June 28, 2020, 05:28:45 PM
Start with just some drops and see how skin etc. reacts.  
But I basically coat the whole penis with it and then sometimes I did that several times an hour. (after getting used to it)

You have to be aware of how much of the supplement-X you put into your mix. With vitaminC-X for example I can apply bottle after bottle without any worry lol. But for example iodine-X you see what the maximum dosage is and how much is in your bottle. I never worried much about it though cause the amounts are mostly less than I would've taken orally.

Thanks!

I've started the experiment. DMSO + Vit. C 3 times a day. Let's see how it goes.

Very strange: 99.99% pure DMSO, without water, doesnt do anything to my skin. I thought it was a fake DMSO, so i ordered another. Same non-reaction. Furthermore, i have put both of them in the fridge (not freezer!) and, while the water didnt get into ice, the DMSO both turned into ice at 6°. So it's DMSO.

Really strange. I prepared a 70% DMSO and 30% water with some castor oil and Vit. C. I addded Vit. C until i didnt see anymore it diluted.

Furthermore, i didnt feel anything when applying DMSO. I am scared it won't work for me, dunno why. Maybe i'm doing something wrong?
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

Holistic

Quote from: hope794 on June 29, 2020, 09:26:47 AM

Really strange. I prepared a 70% DMSO and 30% water with some castor oil and Vit. C. I addded Vit. C until i didnt see anymore it diluted.

Hey Hope794,

Any chance youre able to convert the percentages into measurements? even if its tablespoons. Also what size tincture bottle are you mixing in, or is it a small bowl?
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

melting

hope794, I rarely felt anything during application. Should be ok. You will surely see some of the mix "going inside" and not everything remaining on the skin(some will..)

People seem to react very different to DMSO and it's %. I guess maybe very light skin types have more problems.. similar to sun exposure..
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Holistic

Quote from: melting on June 29, 2020, 09:58:25 AM
I rarely felt anything during application. Should be ok. You will surely see some of the mix "going inside" and not

I actually tried this morning, castor oil, iodine and a bit of (best i could) dissolved Vit C in water, then put the C paste on my skin with iodine and castor. I know you mentioned an emulcifier was needed but the crystals still seemed solid and on the skin. hopefully some were able to go through. But i Had it on for maybe 30 min and started to feel discomfort in the plaque. Wasnt sure if it was residual strain from sex a couple days ago from being erect or the application of what I did. I wiped it off and put warm compress on it for 5 min and it felt better after. Not sure if it did much. Castor oil Im told takes months before noticible effects to the plaque (if calcified, I guess).

Im off to work but will look into the ultrasound gel and try to find the thread where it was discussed as a base to make a solution more gel like
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

melting

Vitamin C should readily dissolve in water
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry_of_ascorbic_acid

QuoteSolubility in water
   330 g/L
Warm(never hot cause it denatures V-C and also why in my recipe I pre-mix dmso with water to also not heat the VC) water and some shaking stirring. Everything that doesn't dissolve is too much for the amount of water(add more water). Crystals on skin will be "useless".
Did you have it on with dmso? If you had dissolved VC + DMSO then the chances are high some reached the plaque. If without dmso chances are very low.
If you had it with dmso then 30 minutes are not needed. DMSO will have gone through skin within 1second to ~10minutes.

I noticed "movement" and stuff in the plaque all the time when deep into a dmso+X routine. When it changes form or calcification dissolves or "gets off" then the healty tissue might get new "attach-points"/rubbing against the plaque or nerves and blood cells move. Not necessarily bad.

With DMSO+X used a lot I often noticed changes to the state of the plaque within days and I also noticed the plaque getting hard again after stopping within days.(I think the body calcifies the plaque to "cool down" the inflammed fibroid and "excluding"/"isolating" it from the healthy body)

THAT is how I knew DMSO+X(thackers formula back then) works! It somewhat softened but no big changes to the condition but then within days it hardened again noticeably, that's when I knew there was a significant impact and did go all in for many months applying(+traction etc.) and observing the impact on erection lessening more and more.

also mentioned before.. VitC + DMSO on nails will stain the nails yellow as the VC gets trapped in it.
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Holistic

See....this kind of info is gold. i tried to dissolve C in cold water filtered by Zerowater so it has 000 ppm. Ill try again with warm water.

I did not use DMSO, I have yet to purchase any after ive gathered the info i need from here to start my kit. especially getting the right amount and not have anything calcify after stopping using it. I wonder if it hasnt calcified yet, that if using the DMSO and stopping will cause the calcification if it wasnt going to do so on its own..could that even be possible?

So far i have been using castor oil as the method to deliver iodine into my plaque
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

melting

No, I don't see how it could calcify it.
Iodine on it's own can penetrate the skin barrier. Could be castor oil clogs the skin but idk maybe it works transdermally too? With Iodine you might see how it seeps into the skin on its own.
Using vitamin C without a transdermal agent seems rather futile. It might penetrate some layers and if the faulty tissue is very near the skin it might work some but most probably wont get deep enough and with high probability wont penetrate faulty tissue itself.
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Holistic

honestly, i dont notice much absorption. I put one drop that is about 640 mcg. and watch it for a few seconds and tilt the skin so the liquad moves but i dont see anything soaking in. after a min, i use my finger to rub it around the area and gently blow on it to dry it up. then i add the castor oil and put a cotton swab over it and wrap it up and go to bed. I thoguht the castro oil helps deliver the iodine deeper? I thought I read somewhere that it helps deliver but I coud be wrong and it has been a placebo this whole time lol.
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

Holistic

Quote from: melting on June 26, 2020, 07:15:36 AM
Fix This! look what I found:

Hell yeah, I was able to find this book as an audio on my app. Deff going to crush this book. Thanks for the post!!
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

Holistic

Quote from: melting on June 26, 2020, 07:15:36 AM
Fix This! look what I found:

If anyone is looking for this book for free, it is on Hoopla which is a free app download and give you access to a ton of books. all you need is an active library card. Ive save about 1k /year on audio books  
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

Holistic

Quote from: melting on June 29, 2020, 12:09:46 PM


well this sucks, I am unable to load the pictures into this chat.

Gel 1:

Sonigel: transmission gel for therapeutic and diagnostic ultrasound. Sonicator 740.

Its manufactured by mettler electronics corp.

Gel 2:

Conductor transmission gel: Aqueous coupling agent for ultrasound and electromedical procedures. Non-allergenic. "for external use only. use on intact skin only. not intended for surgical use. not for use with defibrillators."

Manufactured by chattanooga

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There is a bar code on the gel 2 with numbers if that is of any use. But other than that, there weren't any ingredients listed. Gel 2 has a bluish tinge to it. Gel 1 is clear.
32 yo. Unknown cause. 1st plaque proximal left base near pelvis 9/19. Expanded and shrunk after 8 mo by 50% (still working on it). Minor bend but malleable. 2nd small plaque 5/20 superficial distal right just under tip. Currently growing. No bend.

projectpd

they are probably made from fairly non toxic stuff but even so would want to know whats in it. google suggested propylene glycol, but here's one you can see the ingredients in the pic , https://www.naturalliving.co.uk/acatalog/eureka-eu-eusg0300-ultrasound-gel-250ml-size-250ml.html#SID=6697.  the purpose is simply to exclude air though so any thick gel should work.
Age 57, Onset 2010, 2" shortening, shrinking and angulation of glans, weaker erections, 30 degree bend. Mild pain few months, but far from worst symptom. Tried many ideas, not just from here, but not consistently. Moderate improvement, maybe 40%