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Ive been reading over various threads on this forum and others and it seems there is mixed opinions on gaining back full size and girth from pre peryonies with treatment whether involving surgery or not.

Some say do treatment and hope for the best and don't fear the worst outcome which I think is good advice, and it is shown that getting length and girth back to a degree is possible with traction, VED, surgery, and certain oral treatments.

However ive read more then several accounts of people that have even lost several CMs gaining all their pre Peyronies length and girth back. Some even with photos of before and after, some not. But all seemingly valid posters that have a longer history in the forum and most don't seem to be bullshitting. Some that make these claims are also much older in age and still made that progress.

Even if it takes sliding technique surgeries, grafting and replacing badly damaged tissue, and a subsequent penile implant in some cases. If everyone is suffering from the same issues of fibrosis and some people who lost a good amount of girth and length were able to get it all back with proper treatment over time. And human bodies generally are the same in how they function for the most part.

Then doesn't that mean anyone can restore their pre Peyronies girth and length with the appropriate treatment they respond best with, even with a longer time period of getting there?  Even if it means resorting to surgical methods if need be, it seems some of those methods can help to regain old girth and length too . And if grafting surgery causes Erectile Dysfunction  you can still get the penile implant which will elimanate further Erectile Dysfunction and other issues. Although not everyone is comfortable with that, I understand.

My point of the post though from my reading and research into all of this is that theoretically if multiple people can go back to their pre Peyronies penis size, even years after getting Peyronies or not getting immediate treatment. Should it not be theoretically posssible for anyone to be able to restore that? Even if it takes finding the most appropriate treatment for their needs and most importantly just giving it time?
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Re: Regarding length and girth loss and getting back to pre Peyronies size
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2019, 02:44:31 PM »

Hey man, I apologize in advance as this reply doesn't really answers your question but if you don't mind I'd like to ask you something about the disease since I'm new to the forum and you seem informative about it

does the disease always causes penile shrinkage to anyone who gets it?
I'm 28 years old and I've peryonie disease+ libido/erectile issues for probably a decade or more, I've never really checked it out medically because for most of the time I didn't know of the disease and for the most part I just neglected it because of depression + was never sexually active, so kind of didn't care, and I got used to just having semi-hard erections when masutrbating.

I cannot remember when I got this disease or what size was my penis before the disease, because really I may have gotten it when I was a teenager or even before, I really can't tell.

So is there a huge chance I probably lost size without ever realizing it? does it cause the shrinkage to everyone?
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Re: Regarding length and girth loss and getting back to pre Peyronies size
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2019, 02:56:39 PM »

Hey man, I apologize in advance as this reply doesn't really answers your question but if you don't mind I'd like to ask you something about the disease since I'm new to the forum and you seem informative about it

does the disease always causes penile shrinkage to anyone who gets it?
I'm 28 years old and I've peryonie disease+ libido/erectile issues for probably a decade or more, I've never really checked it out medically because for most of the time I didn't know of the disease and for the most part I just neglected it because of depression + was never sexually active, so kind of didn't care, and I got used to just having semi-hard erections when masutrbating.

I cannot remember when I got this disease or what size was my penis before the disease, because really I may have gotten it when I was a teenager or even before, I really can't tell.

So is there a huge chance I probably lost size without ever realizing it? does it cause the shrinkage to everyone?

Don't think it causes noticable size and girth loss for everyone. If you did have it and that was a consequence of it. You would likely best tell by knowing where you were at before. But it doesn't sound like you have a previous baseline knowledge so I wouldn't stress it too much. I responded to your thread about seeing a specialist to check for damage. You could have other issues causing your symptoms too such as a venous leak.

 Regardless most of these issues are all treatable so if it's a concern I would see a Peyronies specialist and get an exam and consultation  done to see what's causing your issues.
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30 yrs old, peyronies diagnosis Aug 2019. Daily pentox, cialis, arginine, traction therapies. Started with dent and pain, top half penis thinned. Upward curve from pre peyronies natural left curve.  2 inch loss of length. 8 in to 6 inches. Nightmare.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2019, 04:32:44 PM »

Don't think it causes noticable size and girth loss for everyone. If you did have it and that was a consequence of it. You would likely best tell by knowing where you were at before. But it doesn't sound like you have a previous baseline knowledge so I wouldn't stress it too much. I responded to your thread about seeing a specialist to check for damage. You could have other issues causing your symptoms too such as a venous leak.

 Regardless most of these issues are all treatable so if it's a concern I would see a Peyronies specialist and get an exam and consultation  done to see what's causing your issues.

Well yes, I cannot recall my size before the disease nor can I recall when I even got it, I just know I've had it for many years.
but the issue is that I've always had a fairly small penis, as far as I can remember, to think that I may have lost size due to this disease is depressing, but what scares me more is if there is a chance it might cause me further size loss.
as someone with a small penis, any loss even if it's 1 cm is crucial. life can be cruel to some of us.

Is there a chance the disease will keep taking away the size of the penis?
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2019, 05:00:51 PM »

Well yes, I cannot recall my size before the disease nor can I recall when I even got it, I just know I've had it for many years.
but the issue is that I've always had a fairly small penis, as far as I can remember, to think that I may have lost size due to this disease is depressing, but what scares me more is if there is a chance it might cause me further size loss.
as someone with a small penis, any loss even if it's 1 cm is crucial. life can be cruel to some of us.

Is there a chance the disease will keep taking away the size of the penis?

If there is a disease process of Peyronies and it continues unchecked then it can keep taking away the size of the penis by additional fibrosis which prevents full stretch of erections. However there are treatments available to help prevent worsening fibrosis and also to remodel and soften plaque so size can be restored. Both surgically and none surgically .

I also read your other post response on your other thread so to answer that question. You said would I recommend surgery myself? Well I would never suggest to others what to do for themselves that's a personal decision. However for myself I have no issue doing a penile implant if it means I can keep all my original size and never have to worry about worsening Peyronies disease again.

You mentioned that you never get full erections though and that it causes too much pain. Although painful erections and Erectile Dysfunction can be attributed to Peyronies there are other things that can cause that as well. So it's important to be checked out and evaluated by a Peyronies specialist. Regarding penis size. If you can't get a 100 percent erection then you don't really have an idea of what your full penis size is . Flaccid penis length or a semi hard penis is not the full size that would be measured as the actual erectial size of your penis. Peyronies affects the erectial size of your penis by scar tissue being inelastic and thus preventing a full stretch of size someone had before the scar tissue hundred that full healthy stretch.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2019, 06:29:26 PM »

If there is a disease process of Peyronies and it continues unchecked then it can keep taking away the size of the penis by additional fibrosis which prevents full stretch of erections. However there are treatments available to help prevent worsening fibrosis and also to remodel and soften plaque so size can be restored. Both surgically and none surgically .

I also read your other post response on your other thread so to answer that question. You said would I recommend surgery myself? Well I would never suggest to others what to do for themselves that's a personal decision. However for myself I have no issue doing a penile implant if it means I can keep all my original size and never have to worry about worsening Peyronies disease again.

You mentioned that you never get full erections though and that it causes too much pain. Although painful erections and Erectile Dysfunction can be attributed to Peyronies there are other things that can cause that as well. So it's important to be checked out and evaluated by a Peyronies specialist. Regarding penis size. If you can't get a 100 percent erection then you don't really have an idea of what your full penis size is . Flaccid penis length or a semi hard penis is not the full size that would be measured as the actual erectial size of your penis. Peyronies affects the erectial size of your penis by scar tissue being inelastic and thus preventing a full stretch of size someone had before the scar tissue hundred that full healthy stretch.

Does a penile implant keeps a natural normal feeling to the penis? or for example if a person performs sex with another when they have a penile implant would it be noticeable to the other person?
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About the erections, it's not that I never got full erections, it's that I very rarely ever get them, but when I got them throughout the last several years, penis size seemed to be the same as I rememebred (from the last time I measured my erection size), although this was all during the existence of the disease, I do not remember my size before the disease.

I am gonna get this checked but I don't have high hopes because I don't think there are good or any peryonie disease specialists in my country. (I'm not from the states). and flying out the country just for counseling is problematic and expensive. but I'll go step by step and first see how it goes with urgologists here.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2019, 06:53:06 PM »

Does a penile implant keeps a natural normal feeling to the penis? or for example if a person performs sex with another when they have a penile implant would it be noticeable to the other person?
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About the erections, it's not that I never got full erections, it's that I very rarely ever get them, but when I got them throughout the last several years, penis size seemed to be the same as I rememebred (from the last time I measured my erection size), although this was all during the existence of the disease, I do not remember my size before the disease.

I am gonna get this checked but I don't have high hopes because I don't think there are good or any peryonie disease specialists in my country. (I'm not from the states). and flying out the country just for counseling is problematic and expensive. but I'll go step by step and first see how it goes with urgologists here.

Penile implant is virtually unnoticeable with a Titan implant which inflates. Low testosterone can also cause weak erections loss of morning wood and depression, so that could be something else worth looking into. Regarding the size issue if jt hasn't gotten worse all these years if it was Peyronies that's great and then less likely it would get worse from here. Taking action now will help to figure out what's going on and the best method of treatment moving forward.

You should check out the Peyronies survival guide and see if you can get on the regiment suggested there. A urologist can help prescribe the Pentox and Cialis as well, which will be a huge asset if it is indeed Peyronies. Along with traction and VED you would definitely see improvements.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2019, 11:04:25 PM »

Penile implant is virtually unnoticeable with a Titan implant which inflates. Low testosterone can also cause weak erections loss of morning wood and depression, so that could be something else worth looking into. Regarding the size issue if jt hasn't gotten worse all these years if it was Peyronies that's great and then less likely it would get worse from here. Taking action now will help to figure out what's going on and the best method of treatment moving forward.

You should check out the Peyronies survival guide and see if you can get on the regiment suggested there. A urologist can help prescribe the Pentox and Cialis as well, which will be a huge asset if it is indeed Peyronies. Along with traction and VED you would definitely see improvements.

Unfortunately I'm not a fan of being on drugs because they will come with side effects. I haven't checked into pentox and cialis yet but I'm sure they could cause some unsightly side effects.

About testosterone, if you ask the doctors they will say my testosterone is fine because it's in the range, but if you check online and see average testosterone for men by age groups, mine is much lower.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2019, 12:15:08 AM »

Unfortunately I'm not a fan of being on drugs because they will come with side effects. I haven't checked into pentox and cialis yet but I'm sure they could cause some unsightly side effects.

About testosterone, if you ask the doctors they will say my testosterone is fine because it's in the range, but if you check online and see average testosterone for men by age groups, mine is much lower.

Fair enough but there is not much treatment for Peyronies disease that works well without the risk of some side effects but Pentox side effects are pretty benign over all. Low dose daily Cialis is actually used by some for bio hacking as a life enhancing supplement with lots of health benefits outside of erectile strengthening. So I definitely wouldn't stress on that one, only downside is price.

The Pentox can potentially affect immune function though which stops when you get off so it's important to see a doctor while on that. I personally would rather just deal with the side effects of the drugs being that they aren't too bad , compared to leaving Peyronies disease without the best treatment I can manage. Im not in a long term stable phase like you though.

In fact I'm not even 100 percent sure if I have acute Peyronies or just a healing penile injury but either way the erection pains and slight indentation , even without noticable fibrosis or felt scar tissue. I'm treating it as if it is. To prevent worsening of the condition and healing of injury whether Peyronies directly or not. My urologist technically diagnosed me Peyronies though. Said would wait 6 to 8 weeks to re check for scar tissue built up. Most likely there won't be any as thats coming up quick and I still don't notice anything.


I'm on TRT and have been the last 6 months. Nornal range does not always mean healthy for your age. I had the test levels of a 65 year old at 29 years old so qualifed through a private clinic and have hopped on ever since feeling so much better. Until this stupid Peyronies issue came up for me, which F^@$!ng sucks lol
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2019, 01:05:26 AM »

Fair enough but there is not much treatment for Peyronies disease that works well without the risk of some side effects but Pentox side effects are pretty benign over all. Low dose daily Cialis is actually used by some for bio hacking as a life enhancing supplement with lots of health benefits outside of erectile strengthening. So I definitely wouldn't stress on that one, only downside is price.

The Pentox can potentially affect immune function though which stops when you get off so it's important to see a doctor while on that. I personally would rather just deal with the side effects of the drugs being that they aren't too bad , compared to leaving Peyronies disease without the best treatment I can manage. Im not in a long term stable phase like you though.

In fact I'm not even 100 percent sure if I have acute Peyronies or just a healing penile injury but either way the erection pains and slight indentation , even without noticable fibrosis or felt scar tissue. I'm treating it as if it is. To prevent worsening of the condition and healing of injury whether Peyronies directly or not. My urologist technically diagnosed me Peyronies though. Said would wait 6 to 8 weeks to re check for scar tissue built up. Most likely there won't be any as thats coming up quick and I still don't notice anything.


I'm on TRT and have been the last 6 months. Nornal range does not always mean healthy for your age. I had the test levels of a 65 year old at 29 years old so qualifed through a private clinic and have hopped on ever since feeling so much better. Until this stupid Peyronies issue came up for me, which F^@$!ng sucks lol

Well, are we supposed to take cialis and pentox for a life time?  if so it's even more problematic, you have to consider what if you also take other drugs or will need more drugs for future issues, what all that combination could do to your body over time, that's why I'm not a fan of taking drugs, especially for a life time.
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TRT- well that's also why I'm worry about it, cause once you start TRT you have to stick to it for a life time, plus if I take TRT it will probably make me go bald even faster, and give me some other problematic side effects, like more body hair, shrinkage of testicles and so on, TRT does all that.
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lastly, about the surgery, from what I see it doesn't restore size, and I don't quite understand, you mentioned something about a surgery without touch method will not cause any further shrinkage, what is the "no touch method"?
and also, what exactly is the penile implant? from what I see they also have to implant a pump? meaning after surgery you won't be able to achieve an erection on your own? you'd have to activate a pump?

god this sounds awful, especially for a young guy to have to be in such condition.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2019, 07:31:30 PM »

I’d give pentox and PDE5i 6 months to see if their effective.  Once you’re improved, you can d/c them.  Just because you start TRT, doesn’t mean you can’t go off of it-if you do you’ll just pick up where you left off after a period of time to start producing T again. Be sure to read more here to get all your questions answered.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2019, 01:56:54 PM »

Well, are we supposed to take cialis and pentox for a life time?  if so it's even more problematic, you have to consider what if you also take other drugs or will need more drugs for future issues, what all that combination could do to your body over time, that's why I'm not a fan of taking drugs, especially for a life time.
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TRT- well that's also why I'm worry about it, cause once you start TRT you have to stick to it for a life time, plus if I take TRT it will probably make me go bald even faster, and give me some other problematic side effects, like more body hair, shrinkage of testicles and so on, TRT does all that.
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lastly, about the surgery, from what I see it doesn't restore size, and I don't quite understand, you mentioned something about a surgery without touch method will not cause any further shrinkage, what is the "no touch method"?
and also, what exactly is the penile implant? from what I see they also have to implant a pump? meaning after surgery you won't be able to achieve an erection on your own? you'd have to activate a pump?

god this sounds awful, especially for a young guy to have to be in such condition.

The Pentox and Cialis are benign medications but it's up to you if you want to choose them or not. It does help to clear fibrosis though, and remodel tissue. You wouldnt have to take other drugs on top of them. And you can get off them at anytime. But it's up to you If you feel comfortable choosing them or not. You should be given blood tests at points with a doctor using Pentox.

The TRT does have the potiential for some of those effects. But testicale shrinkage can be prevented with HCG. Which also helps preserve fertilility for people on TRT long term. There are innumoerous benefits as well though but it's a personal choice to pursue that . If you are very young it should be the last option after trying natural ways to help bring back optimal T levels. Read the TOT Bible by jay Campbell if you want to learn more about all of that .

Surgery with grafting, sliding technique and other methods can help to restore some size. But the other biggest ways to do that are traction and VED. Yes a penile implant requires a pump, and once you do it there is no turning back. However for some people that's what they need with severe Erectile Dysfunction or severe Peyronies   . And almost everyone that ever got it done has never regretted it. If you are having Erectile Dysfunction issues my first suggestion would be to go to a doctor and get checked for a venous leak and see how blood flow looks in and out of the penis with testing. Will give you a better idea what's going on. Along with getting checked for psssible fibrosis
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 05:58:01 PM »

The Pentox and Cialis are benign medications but it's up to you if you want to choose them or not. It does help to clear fibrosis though, and remodel tissue. You wouldnt have to take other drugs on top of them. And you can get off them at anytime. But it's up to you If you feel comfortable choosing them or not. You should be given blood tests at points with a doctor using Pentox.

The TRT does have the potiential for some of those effects. But testicale shrinkage can be prevented with HCG. Which also helps preserve fertilility for people on TRT long term. There are innumoerous benefits as well though but it's a personal choice to pursue that . If you are very young it should be the last option after trying natural ways to help bring back optimal T levels. Read the TOT Bible by jay Campbell if you want to learn more about all of that .

Surgery with grafting, sliding technique and other methods can help to restore some size. But the other biggest ways to do that are traction and VED. Yes a penile implant requires a pump, and once you do it there is no turning back. However for some people that's what they need with severe Erectile Dysfunction or severe Peyronies   . And almost everyone that ever got it done has never regretted it. If you are having Erectile Dysfunction issues my first suggestion would be to go to a doctor and get checked for a venous leak and see how blood flow looks in and out of the penis with testing. Will give you a better idea what's going on. Along with getting checked for psssible fibrosis

theoritically speaking if I take both meds, would it stop the disease from getting worse? or can the disease still get worse even if I'm active with the meds?
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long term us of TRT can cause fertility issues? I never knew that. so if I take TRT I should also take HCG?
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when you say to get checked for fibrosis, it's basically to get checked for the peyronie disease?

few more questions if you don't mind (I greatly appreciate all the help you give me)
if one goes through that surgery, would they still be able to use traction and ved methods? or would that be dangerous because of the implant inside?
also, just for general knowledge, and I'm sorry if I'm being ignorant here but I genuinely have no idea- assuming you have that pump and implant, how do you activate the erection? do you have like a button or something?

how exactly does the fibrosis shrink the size of the penis? does it only shrink the erection size because basically the normal tissue becomes fibrosis that does not inflates with blood flow? so tissue that would normally grow with blood flow becomes tissue that doesn't? is that what makes the erection size be smaller? because less tissue is being affected?

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2019, 03:53:06 AM »

theoritically speaking if I take both meds, would it stop the disease from getting worse? or can the disease still get worse even if I'm active with the meds?
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long term us of TRT can cause fertility issues? I never knew that. so if I take TRT I should also take HCG?
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when you say to get checked for fibrosis, it's basically to get checked for the peyronie disease?

few more questions if you don't mind (I greatly appreciate all the help you give me)
if one goes through that surgery, would they still be able to use traction and ved methods? or would that be dangerous because of the implant inside?
also, just for general knowledge, and I'm sorry if I'm being ignorant here but I genuinely have no idea- assuming you have that pump and implant, how do you activate the erection? do you have like a button or something?

how exactly does the fibrosis shrink the size of the penis? does it only shrink the erection size because basically the normal tissue becomes fibrosis that does not inflates with blood flow? so tissue that would normally grow with blood flow becomes tissue that doesn't? is that what makes the erection size be smaller? because less tissue is being affected?

It will stop things from getting worse, or in the least worse then it would have progressed without it. For some it reverses a lot of the sidease process as well. But in the least halts it. Along with traction and VED therapies it's an added component to help remodel scar tissue and develop healthier tissue again.

Yes it can, and most people on TRT also take HCG.

Get checked for fibrosis which encompasses Peyronies disease, but also get checked for Erectile Dysfunction issues like of you have a blood flow problem or venous leak.

I have no idea regarding traction but since the internal tissue is mostly taken out it wouldnt be as needed. I think some do VED after though. Cycling the implant itself can also help add more length after as well.

Button that's in the sack that you press to turn on and off. Erection lasts as long as you keep it on. Literally can have sex and stay erect after ejaculation and get it as hard as you want. which is pretty damn cool perks and would drive women nuts.

It affects size due to the penile tissue around the scarring and scarring itself being inelastic tissue. So it doesn't stretch as much and thus makes the erection lesser quality , both in blood flow and in elasticity. It can also lead to atrophy of tissue around the scarring due to poorer blood flow overtime.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2019, 05:14:15 PM »

It will stop things from getting worse, or in the least worse then it would have progressed without it. For some it reverses a lot of the sidease process as well. But in the least halts it. Along with traction and VED therapies it's an added component to help remodel scar tissue and develop healthier tissue again.

Yes it can, and most people on TRT also take HCG.

Get checked for fibrosis which encompasses Peyronies disease, but also get checked for Erectile Dysfunction issues like of you have a blood flow problem or venous leak.

I have no idea regarding traction but since the internal tissue is mostly taken out it wouldnt be as needed. I think some do VED after though. Cycling the implant itself can also help add more length after as well.

Button that's in the sack that you press to turn on and off. Erection lasts as long as you keep it on. Literally can have sex and stay erect after ejaculation and get it as hard as you want. which is pretty damn cool perks and would drive women nuts.

It affects size due to the penile tissue around the scarring and scarring itself being inelastic tissue. So it doesn't stretch as much and thus makes the erection lesser quality , both in blood flow and in elasticity. It can also lead to atrophy of tissue around the scarring due to poorer blood flow overtime.

And if I take both meds and there is an improvement, does that mean I'd have to stay on them for the rest of my life and that if I stop it will go back to how it was?
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I'm getting overwhelmed lately because it's like going from 0 meds to tons of meds out of the blue, assuming I go on trt, from what I learnt it can have harsh side effects and it's usually not just TRT, could also be HCG like you said but also estrogen blockers, so then my body will be taking a cocktail of drugs out of the blue, trt, pentox, cialis, hcg, estrogen blockers, and that's just for 2 problems, and I'm only 28, that would probably put my overall long term health and a huge risk. also taking so many drugs will be hard on the liver.

to me it looks like it's just going from 1 hell to a different hell, and that it's not real solution for neither peyronie disease nor low testosterone issues.
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I saw an urologist the other day, as I feared it was useless, he told me there is no real cure or treatment that actually helps, regardless to that, in my country there are barely any doctors that focus on the disease, basically none at all, he told me there was one but he passed away out of the blue half a year ago (just my luck).
I asked to do the dopler ultrasound but he said no one does it in the country plus it won't change anything because it won't change the needed treatment and it's only mainly done before doing the surgeries for better accuracy, and said that doing it just to see the fibrosis won't change the possible treatments so it's pointless, to his words.

he did check my penis physically, and he said he felt a hardened or firmer like "chord" all across the upper side of my shaft, from base to head, but said he is not entirely sure it's peyronie.

now I don't know what that means, from what I saw from peyronie pictures and pics of the fibrosis, I've never seen pics of the fibrosis being so big that it goes from the base of the penis all the way to the tip of the penis.

either way it seems like I'm screwed because there aren't really any doctors in my country focusing or knowing much about the disease, and going overseas just for counseling is extremely costly, which I don't have the money for.
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Re: Regarding length and girth loss and getting back to pre Peyronies size
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2019, 02:39:44 PM »

If your doctor thinks it may be peyronies, and doesn’t feel it’s another process that would contradict the VED and traction, I’d go ahead and give those a try.  Add low dose nightly Viagra or cialis to help remodel the plaque if you can.
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2019, 09:00:31 PM »

Sure, the moment the plaque and scar tissue is gone the tissue can fill again and expand like it's used too. Theoretically..
 
Of course it's possible the tissue lost it's ability to stretch or the veins, artery, smooth muscle deteriorated. Like many people when getting old loose size..

You can increase the size of the tissue in girth and length through the means so called Penis enlargement communities use. Pumping and traction devices are part of that. Other manual exercises that "train"/expand the tissue can work too.
I saw a discussion on the Angion Method here, which works the arteries and veins-

The big problem is that many people run the risk of doing it in a way that makes matters worse. They lack the motivation to gain the knowledge and then apply it with common sense, responsibility, observance and discipline. That's the hard truth and why most will never get where they were before peyronies.

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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2019, 11:30:43 PM »

NO, don’t use any other enlargement techniques other than traction and VED as they can result in peyronies and Erectile Dysfunction.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2019, 07:38:27 PM »

Sure, the moment the plaque and scar tissue is gone the tissue can fill again and expand like it's used too. Theoretically..
 
Of course it's possible the tissue lost it's ability to stretch or the veins, artery, smooth muscle deteriorated. Like many people when getting old loose size..

You can increase the size of the tissue in girth and length through the means so called Penis enlargement communities use. Pumping and traction devices are part of that. Other manual exercises that "train"/expand the tissue can work too.
I saw a discussion on the Angion Method here, which works the arteries and veins-

The big problem is that many people run the risk of doing it in a way that makes matters worse. They lack the motivation to gain the knowledge and then apply it with common sense, responsibility, observance and discipline. That's the hard truth and why most will never get where they were before peyronies.

Most people that come here and take things seriously are doing VED, and Traction along with the supplements and certain pharmacuticals. Even the diet and life style changes, as well as surgery if need be for certain cases.
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2019, 12:10:00 AM »

Stratt_mat1, yeah I see a lot of people doing good things that make sense!

Sorry for the rather frustrated shot at the end of my comment. Wasn't directed at someone particular. (I answered you in the other thread)

It's just not easy to get rid of the impact the plaques have on your own. Takes a lot and like TonySa notes, it could lead to more problems. I did some crazy Penis enlargement techniques, that NO doctor would recommend, and that's why I'm bigger and better functioning than before.
For example, I wore an extender for many months everyday for 8+ hours. Sometimes at high intensity. I still was careful but I guess if 100 people would do that some would make their condition worse. That's why docs only "prescribe" the milquetoast approach which leds to many people then declaring it can't be done.. I'm sure if I listened to the docs that were available to me in Germany I would be miserable today. Maybe a different thing in the USA
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2019, 06:18:37 AM »

Stratt_mat1, yeah I see a lot of people doing good things that make sense!

Sorry for the rather frustrated shot at the end of my comment. Wasn't directed at someone particular. (I answered you in the other thread)

It's just not easy to get rid of the impact the plaques have on your own. Takes a lot and like TonySa notes, it could lead to more problems. I did some crazy Penis enlargement techniques, that NO doctor would recommend, and that's why I'm bigger and better functioning than before.
For example, I wore an extender for many months everyday for 8+ hours. Sometimes at high intensity. I still was careful but I guess if 100 people would do that some would make their condition worse. That's why docs only "prescribe" the milquetoast approach which leds to many people then declaring it can't be done.. I'm sure if I listened to the docs that were available to me in Germany I would be miserable today. Maybe a different thing in the USA

Didn't even think of anything that came across negative , but in terms of your traction experiences, it seems many here that are serious will do the traction devices and ved daily. And if using the traction devices then wear them for hours at a time similar to what you mentioned especially as they can be worn under clothing without harm a lot of the time. Most see good improvement with that as well.

I think you have to push things pretty far to risk further damage or do something more risky. But wearing a traction device for a strech and keeping it on for many hours isn't exactly damaging. So long as you aren't stretching an erection. All the research shows nothing but positive results for people that start Ved and Traction right away even in the acute stage. I personally am doing manual traction. For now until my esl40 comes in the mail and then seeing how that goes from there. Maybe invest in a Ved from there as well.
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2019, 06:26:39 PM »

Yes, as long as you are aware of what you do and apply common sense it's hard to injure yourself. I always ended an extender set when I got cold or had the slightest sense of pain. Easy to overpump too but hard to injure.

I still think reading through some reports that many could do some more intense sets. I was never able to use my extender for longer than an hour without re-strapping, always pushing the limits, but that's not for every person and situation.   
There's the chance that you don't do enough and have no impact on the plaque/scar tissue nor the healthy tissue and basically waste time. But doing a lot of time and high frequency can be the safest bet instead of going for some intense stretching or pumping. Always increase time before increasing intensity.
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2019, 02:37:20 AM »

Yes, as long as you are aware of what you do and apply common sense it's hard to injure yourself. I always ended an extender set when I got cold or had the slightest sense of pain. Easy to overpump too but hard to injure.

I still think reading through some reports that many could do some more intense sets. I was never able to use my extender for longer than an hour without re-strapping, always pushing the limits, but that's not for every person and situation.   
There's the chance that you don't do enough and have no impact on the plaque/scar tissue nor the healthy tissue and basically waste time. But doing a lot of time and high frequency can be the safest bet instead of going for some intense stretching or pumping. Always increase time before increasing intensity.

Agreed there is also NeoVs approach which you can learn about from his yotube channel. Talks about angles of stretching rather then time under tension or intensity alone. Worked extremely well for him and others he suggested too.
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2019, 03:54:17 PM »

Oh yes, I used fulcrums while using an extender to focus the stretch towards the plaque area.
That's very important and can make a difference. NeoV knows what's up.
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