Can anyone comment on how the circumcision effected them after plication?

[ruff]

I am worried that the circumcision part of Dr. Levines plication surgery. Can anyone comment on this?

[TDix]

Circumcision cut, or actual circumcision?

[ruff]

Circumcision cut, or actual circumcision?

Actual circumcision. Dr. Levine recommended I get a circumcision with the plication

[TDix]

Oh ok, sorry I have no idea.  I've been circumcised my whole life

[MarkDS]

I had circumcision with my Lue incision and grafting.  It was recommended to aid recovery. However, I regret having it done.  Not necessarily due to loss of sensation, but the fact that my flaccid length has reduced, and now the tip of my penis constantly rubs on my clothes.  It's been 9 weeks since surgery, and it still really distracting, and uncomfortably, especially when cycling.

The circumcision scar is also painful still and very lumpy.  

[TonySa]

I would absolutely find a doc who can handle the surgery without resorting to circumcision.  We have enough problems with our penises without adding loss of thousands of nerve endings, keratinization (hardening w loss of sensation) of the glans; and inability to have intercourses without using lubricant!

[Beemer790]

I had surgery in December of 2018... over 6 months ago. It was a de-gloving with excision of the plaque, and tissue implant. While the surgery worked, and I am pleased with the correction, I have numbness in the tip (on the top, not on the bottom thank goodness!). It is very difficult to maintain an erection, and it can take me over an hour to orgasm, sometimes I don't even get there.

Just had my first sexual encounter with a women (recently got divorced) in over 2 years. Several attempts and just could not perform, even with some viagra.

Someone please tell me the numbness will eventually go away!!  I'm so scared it may be permanent...

I don't want to resort to an implant. I would even be willing to give myself a shot prior to sex if that would work.  Please HELP! This is so disheartening!    

[TonySa]

Beemer, were you circumcised during the surgery?

[jan.schaller1958]

I would absolutely find a doc who can handle the surgery without resorting to circumcision.  We have enough problems with our penises without adding loss of thousands of nerve endings, keratinization (hardening w loss of sensation) of the glans; and inability to have intercourses without using lubricant!

What in the world is this? An intactivist website? Go sell this to Marilyn Milos of NOCIRC or Bob Van Howe or all the others. But, you don't need to. They've been saying this garbage for over 30 years. And it's flooded, virtually entirely unquestioned the internet for over 30 years, but is largely ignored by real doctors who operate on the penis everyday for Peyroines. And don't bring up that phony 20000 lost nerve endings nonsense claim that that dead quack Paul Fleiss just made up out of thin air for that old 1998 Mothering Magazine article. In the lay Magazine (not peer reviewed) he cited a 1932 article to support his phony "20,000 lost nerve endings" claim, when his citation didn't even say that. He invented that number out of thin air. He was a convicted felon who let two girls in his care die unnecessarily of AIDS in the 2000s when the disease was treatable because of misdiagnosing them (and was brought up on charges of malpractice before the CA medical board over it and almost lost his license over it). His stupidity and incompetence as a doctor killed two babies. Wonderful doctor to get advice from. I'm surprised he wasn't charged with involuntary manslaughter because thats what it was. He was quoted as saying, with respect to whether HIV caused AIDS, he "could be convinced either way."  Brillant guy. And loss of sensation of the glans means what? Loss of sexual pleasure? Prove it. You going to invent a sexual pleasure meter and hook it up to men's penises and measure their sexual pleasure as a test? Sure. No such test exists and never will.  Incidentally, I oppose infant but I don't resort to fairytales to oppose circ. I don't need to. It's a human rights issue and that's enough to win the argument. Don't ruin a good cause with idiotic anecdotes and fairytales. It just weakens the case.

All these false claims just come from stupid US run special interest ,,Intactivist" groups, or better ,,attactavist" groups  which are just small cults, like the Jim Jones cult, and dominate the internet spreading lies and nonsense and making up garbage they call ,,science", which is not science. Everyone just ignores them. One of their own followers commuted suicide because of their lies, and they didn't give a crap. It's pseudoscience. It's wrong to circ babies. True. It should be illegal, but the rest of the claims are unproven and unprovable garbage.  

[TonySa]

Jan, It's simple anatomy and physiology.  Read up on the number of nerves that are severed and the impact of keratinization of the glans (all decrease sensitivity).  Medical facts are just that regardless of your reaction to them.

[jan.schaller1958]

Jan, It's simple anatomy and physiology.  Read up on the number of nerves that are severed and the impact of keratinization of the glans (all decrease sensitivity).  Medical facts are just that regardless of your reaction to them.

There is nothing simple about anatomy. Another fairytale. Oh, I've heard all the loss of nerve endings arguments too: some say, 100,000, some 50,000 some 40,000, some 20,000, some 10,000. The fact is the intactivists don't know. They haven't a clue.  How in the world could they know? Simple.  They  don't know. They lie and make thus nonsense up. Loss of glans sensitivity means what? That's  recently been disproven in a recent study of over 4500 Ugandan men. Either way it means nothing. Loss of glans sensitivity, if any, is minimal and temporary. It doesn't continue for life and has zero effect on sexual pleasure or the sexual experience. Ive talked to several guys who were circ'd at ages 21, 22 and said he noticed no difference before or after, and another said he noticed better sex and more, not less, sensitivity. So explain that. I've heard all this garbage for over 30 years and it has been thoroughly disproven, years ago.  

[jan.schaller1958]

Jan, It's simple anatomy and physiology.  Read up on the number of nerves that are severed and the impact of keratinization of the glans (all decrease sensitivity).  Medical facts are just that regardless of your reaction to them.

Sure, and Brian Morris, PhD of Australia has studied this for 30 or more years would disagree with you too. So, there you are. He's read all the scientific literature on the subject as well, and has been published in peer reviewed medical journals. So, it's not so a matter of "simple anatomy and physiology" at all. Because anatomy and physiology are incredibly complex and not "simple" in the least. In fact, to even use the word "simple" and human anatomy and physiology in the same sentence is oxymoronic.  

[TonySa]

Are you saying the medical world hasn't identified the average number of nerves inner sting the foreskin?  You're asking three or four guys is anecdotal and a very tiny sample size.  What about the known loss of sensitivity by keeping the glans exposed?  What about not needing lube w a foreskin.  Sorry, but to me you seem like the individual w a radical point of view and nothing to back it up except having spoke with a few guys.  

[jan.schaller1958]

Are you saying the medical world hasn't identified the average number of nerves inner sting the foreskin?  You're asking three or four guys is anecdotal and a very tiny sample size.  What about the known loss of sensitivity by keeping the glans exposed?  What about not needing lube w a foreskin.  Sorry, but to me you seem like the individual w a radical point of view Nd nothing to back it up except having spoke with a few guys.
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The medical world hasn't identified the number of lost nerve endings removed in a circ, and whose circ are you talking about anyway? (All circs are different anyway). And, even if they did know it would prove nothing. Nothing about sexual feeling.  And I've not just asked a couple of guys about adult adult circs. Last week I went into Kaiser's chief urologic surgeon. I asked him if he ever did adult circ's. He said ,,Oh gosh, several a week." Then I asked if anyone ever came back and complained about anything, anything like loss of glans sensitivity, loss of sexual pleasure? He said ,,No. never." So, I asked how many has he ever done, and he said ,,Oh gosh...hundreds over the last several years at least."  I asked ,,Ever had anyone complain of loss of sexual pleasure, loss of glans sensitivity?" He said, ,,Oh, there is pain for about a week. And glans sensitivity for a month or two, then it goes away. Other than that never a complaint even once."

And this guy does this for a living and is board certified in urology and even does Peyroines surgery. He knows all about anatomy and physiology and he's not talking about a few men, but hundreds over a decade (if not more).  

[TonySa]

Your position is so interesting, especially since (correct me if I'm wrong) you are  restoring your foreskin and willing to Forego peyronies surgery in order to continue.  Sorry, I just don't get it....but again there should be no body shaming of circumcised men.  Is that perhaps the issue here...that anti circumcision arguments seem to be doing that?  Thanks Jan, Tony

[jan.schaller1958]

Your position is so interesting, especially since (correct me if I'm wrong) you are  restoring your foreskin and willing to Forego peyronies surgery in order to continue.  Sorry, I just don't get it....but again there should be no body shaming of circumcised men.  Is that perhaps the issue here...that anti circumcision arguments seem to be doing that?  Thanks Jan, Tony

No, I'm not restoring anything. I have tried stretching my foreskin to make it longer, but that's all. I know my position sounds unique. But it's really simple. I don't think a circ does anyone any harm OR any good if done properly. It's purely cosmetic. And it should be reserved as a last resort to treat a real medical condition where all conservative options have failed. Just like with any other surgery. And circ'd guys shouldn't be body shamed over just being circ'd, especially if they had no say in the matter (which is immoral). But none of these are harm arguments. I had my gallbladder out 2 months ago for a medical reason, but I don't think I'm less intact than anyone else. And I don't think anyone thinks like this either. That's because no one cares about gallbladders. But they do about penises. So, yes, I can be opposed to circ and still not think it any more harmful than a rhinoplasty.  And I personally like the look of an uncircumcised penis.  

[TonySa]

Ok, please keep us posted if the surgery may make restoring more difficult which will be good to know.  Best of luck to you!

[jan.schaller1958]

Ok, please keep us posted if the surgery may make restoring more difficult which will be good to know.  Best of luck to you!

Again, I'm uncircumcised and I'm not restoring anything. I was stretching the foreskin. Because mine was shorter than I liked. Apart from all that,  I looks like you've been though a lot with this awful Peyroines. I never even knew what it was till I was 56. Then my mom told me my dad had had it. So, I think there's a genetic link of some kind. A genetic predisposition I mean, because it tends to run in families. I wish you the best with it.

They say the average age of onset is 55. Gosh, and I was 56. I couldn't imagine what it would have been like getting it at a younger age. Yikes. Don't know how old you were when it hit you.  

[jan.schaller1958]

Ok, please keep us posted if the surgery may make restoring more difficult which will be good to know.  Best of luck to you!

A urologist on an online site said Lue offers surgeries not requiring circumcision, so scar formation seems inevitable.

Thanks again, and best wishes to you.  

[TonySa]

I'm thinking there should be no scarring in your outer skin...Your remaining foreskin...so likely not a problem but ask for sure.

[jan.schaller1958]

I'm thinking there should be no scarring in your outer skin...ESL exusting foreskin...so likely not a problem but ask for sure.

Not sure what you mean be remaining Foreskin (it's all there), but I'd be happy to return to a humble 6 inches if possible (which I used to think was puny, or just average. Then I found out average was like 5.25-5.5 inches in Germany anyway.

[Beemer790]

First, on circumcision, IDK, I've been cut all my life. Never had a problem. Prior to my surgery, I could cum in literally two minutes if I was watching porn...

OK, I'm about 18 months post surgery. Update. The tissue inserted has gotten more natural feeling. In the first year or so you could see and feel the tissue..like it had not grown into the surrounding natural tissue. The shape is good. I had no choice but to get surgery, as prior to it would basically be impossible to have sex with a girl.

I commented before that my major issue is that I lost sensitivity on the top of the tip. This persists. However, I (think) slowly the nerves are returning. I've been tracking sensitivity and recording progress on drawings. In the first 6 months after surgery, you could take a knife and make a 3mm deep cut on the top and I would not feel it. Now, if I pinch or scrape, I can sense pain in the layer below the very outer dermis. So I am hopeful.

However, the surface layer is still numb, and a problem. I dated a girl for several months last fall. The good news is that I could stay decently erect for hours, but I could never come through intercourse or oral. I had to jack off watching porn while she waited. She was good about it.

Then, last week, an absolutely stunning woman came to my place. It was evening and I had had a few drinks. I could not get hard for her. It was devastating. I told her about my surgery and while she was nice to listen, I've not heard from her since... I think that I need several sexual encounters with a woman before my mind will let me get hard...like it's too much pressure on the first try. I think maybe the next opportunity I may let the girl know before we try so we can agree to several weeks of attempts before she dumps me..

So I throw the question back out to the group. Has anyone had a similar experience? Did the numbness lessen after 2 years?  After 3 years??

Please tell me there is hope....

[TonySa]

Continuing to see improvement seems to be a good sign...hopefully it will continue.  If it plateaus for many months then you may not have any more improvement.  After my excision and grafting (also had implant) sensation has continued to improve for over a year.