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[Whyisthishappening]

this is  a new topic about dry fasting ,any advice is welcomed i started last sunday and just finished my first dry fasting.i believe is the most potent and realistic possible solution .I am wondering for more than a year now scientific articles about fibrosis genes epigenetics vaccines inflammation new methods to treat our condition or similar with ours but nothing seems to be able to completely reverse  Peyronies Disease even in rat models.After last friday i presented  almost all of my Peyronies Disease related research  thus far and  thought to give a try on fasting.I was on pescatarian IF from july till november of 2018.From november till christmas i tried OMAD. For december holidays i just binge ate and drunk what ever i wanted and i am now on  IF for three weeks.I am planning to start serious research for dry fast and then start  again with the goal of 5 days .My motivation was a girl who treated a tumor after 140 hours on dry fasting.I do not want to do any harm to me  or others out of ignorance,desperation,dogmatism or naiveness.There are other threads in this site with serious research about keto  and Peyronies Disease and water fasting,i hope we make a great thread .

[JS1991]

I'll be doing extended "hard" dry fasting in March, repeatedly. If I lose all my fat I'm going to overeat until I pack more weight on, then rinse and repeat the dry fast until the Peyronie's is gone. Will swap from the water fasting thread to this thread when that happens.

DISCLAIMER: This is dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Guys, please don't just dive into this without doing extensive research. Don't f**k up a great thing for the rest of us. We don't need someone being stupid and hurting themselves.

[popopo]

I agree that fasting can be a great thing for weight loss and health, but how are you sure that losing bodyfat then regaining it is going to heal your peyronies? I would think that even with one meal a day, you'll eventually stop losing fat unless you started to eat less and less over time. Wouldn't it have the same effect to just eat one meal a day, eat all the calories you need for maintaining your current bodyweight and just stick with that?

Also, what is the benefit of dry fasting over a water fast? I think water fasting is easier to do long term and will probably get you in ketosis too. Just my two cents.

[Whyisthishappening]

thank you JS,you are right that's why we have this thread now to have as much information as possible to be safe.Popopo after IF because of work i started one meal per day and still losing fat,but i walked more than two hours per day and drunk 3 double espressos,then every night came back home and ate a very large meal and fruits.But i was fitter and leaner when i was on pescatarian IF and 90min every day of HIIT and 90 min in total  of walking 

[Whyisthishappening]

hi guys just finished 40 hours of hard dry fasting ,my dent is better ,i was hoping for 120 hours but couldn't continue,hope next time to hit at least 64-72 hours.i prepared my self  for 10 days with instructions of filonov dry fasting

[diehardpatriot]

Whyistgishappening: incredible. I’m currently adding weight to prepare for a long fast

[Whyisthishappening]

diehard you don't need to add weight for a dry fast but its better if you do a preparation(a week or two before need a specific diet) ,also if never dry fasted again start with a 16 hour dry fast ,then a 20 hour and then a 36 hour.For every period of dry fasting you beed at least the double amount of time forrecovery and then dry fast again.Also watch out binge eating  one or two days  after your fasting you can have gains  after the fasting period(so eat clean and healthy) .For preparation read the filosonov book, bad written but the only textbook on dry fasting i could find.

[diehardpatriot]

If I fast right now without putting on Wright I will look sickly. My body fat is very low

[TonySa]

Why this, if only one poorly written book on dry fasting it’s orobably not a good idea.  Lots of supportive literature for intermittent fasting though.

[skunkworks]

I've not found any real research on dry fasting and autophagy, it is all random blogs and opinions. Humanity has always clustered around large water sources, being without food for extended periods would have happened regularly, being without water would not.

There are some very shonky opinion blogs about it also. This piece for instance https://perfectketo.com/dry-fasting/

It links to two studies supposedly supporting dry fasting, but if you actually read the studies they are about Ramadan, and water intake is allowed during Ramadan, just not when the sun is up. It is quite dishonest of that blog to link those studies the way they did.

If anyone has real research on why dry fasting is superior to water fasting, please do link it. I have read a lot on this topic now, and zero times have any of the people talking about water fasting linked to research that shows dry fasting accelerating any of the benefits of water fasting.

[Whyisthishappening]

tonysa i am on IF for the last 6 months no Peyronies Disease gains but still on for general health.skunk you really believe there is going to be research for dry fasting it would be unethical.

[skunkworks]

Why would it be unethical? Water fasting research is not unethical.

But as there is no research, why are you doing it? What leads you to believe there are benefits over water fasting?

[Whyisthishappening]

but i saw benefits with less than 48 hours js the same

[JS1991]

Finally dent free from water fasting (before/during fast): https://imgur.com/a/OVkQg2Y (after fast) https://imgur.com/a/Nh11AEs

popopo, the fat is required in order to do the fast without harming yourself. As long as you have fat on you, the body will extract water from it via essentially self destructing the cells. It melts off insanely quick, though. You're looking at about 25 lbs a week.

The idea behind dry fasting is that you are creating an environment within the body where it says "oh crap, resources are limited, everything not needed must go." It runs through fat roughly 3x faster than water fasting, and adds in sick, non-vital cells, anything below a certain threshold of health. Muscle does not get eaten unless you have no fat, although if you don't get enough sleep in that can make you catabolic, and light exercise the first day or two of a dry fast or the entire duration of a water fast keeps muscle on. Your human growth hormone will also spike so high throughout the duration of your fast that it preserves muscle as well. I actually built muscle while water fasting. Scar tissue, loose skin, diseased tissue, all get incinerated. This includes tumors. And so going along with that line of thought, I hope to completely remodel and replace my scarred penile tissue with healthy tissue. Following this, I plan on incorporating VED and a traction device, if needed. My main obstacles in using VED were my hard flaccid and inflammation, but the fasting improved my hard flaccid enough, and lowered my inflammation enough, where I feel comfortable using the therapy. I don't see anything else being required after this, and hopefully my penis is back to pre-Peyronie's at this point; that's the plan.

There is a ton of anecdotal evidence via the Snake Dieting group on dry fasting healing almost anything you can think of. The main source of my knowledge outside of said anecdotal evidence is Dr. Fililov's book, Dry Fasting: Myth vs. Reality (poorly translated, but I scoured it nonetheless). This book led many to dry fast, and all have corroborated the facts contained within. The founder of the Snake Diet bases his entire dry fasting system (which has seen extensive results that I will link below) on Filinov's book.

Here is a study on a 5-day dry fast: https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/357718 There are a lot more studies in Russian, but I don't speak Russian lol. They are at the forefront of fasting, it is literally part of their public healthcare system.

You're not going to find a lot of dry fasting studies in western medicine; it is very new, at least to us, although it is an ancient practice in reality. Pretty much every religion contains fasting in some form. But I ask you this: because it does not have sufficient studies in the English language, does this mean it is impossible for it to work? It's not like there are studies confirming it does NOT work; they just literally don't exist, and the fact that water fasting has been proven to work well led me to think (and, in my mind, confirm with what I could find) that dry fasting works even better. To use a video game analogy, if water fasting is a "healing" ability/spell, imagine you have now upgraded that to be 3x as effective and unlocked the ability to heal things the water fast could not heal. I throw myself behind this as a guinea pig and will put my theory on the line with my body, as you all have seen in my duration on this forum.

Some of the Snake Diet anecdotal evidence, and this is also recent:

Loose skin devoured over 1 year by daily intermittent dry fasting: https://www.snakediet.com/blog/dry-fasting-heals-loose-skin

Cancer cured with regimen of 3-4 day dry fast/3-4 day refeed per week (to keep weight up) on skinny girl: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bcb1TCjF1xj/

Leader of snake diet group cured his herpes with dry fasting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FMWp5e9KNY

Science of Fasting documentary on YouTube (mainly water fasting, but GREAT documentary nonetheless): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1b08X-GvRs

Dr. Filinov's book, Dry Fasting: Myth vs. Reality (poorly translated): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4tJ7C56vOnxYTVmZjVjY2ItMDk3YS00NDdiLTk2MzctYzMyYTMzZmY3MjJh?hl=en_US

And as you've seen, I completely rid myself of a painful dent I had via water fasting; I can only assume dry fasting will work better.

This is the protocol the cancer girl used, which is what I advise anyone underweight to use to dry fast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0o8HB9WFSc I'll be using a similar protocol, only extended out to 7 day fast / 7 day feed or longer with the goal being to dry fast as many days consecutively as possible. I will break the fast if I feel like crap. That specific protocol, however, is a 3/4 day alternating cycle of dry fasting, then stuffing your face. It's pretty damn hard to damage yourself if you're only doing a 72-96 hour dry fast, so that should allay some of the fears of those who are hesitant to partake in an extended dry fast. Remember, however, that you should accustom your body to extended water fasting before attempting any dry fasting. It is also VERY important to know how to prepare for a dry fast, and especially, how to come out of it. You don't want to get refeeding syndrome (essentially just a major spike in zero-level electrolytes via stupid food intake post-fast); that can be very harmful.

Again, if anyone wants to know exactly what this is doing to your body, do yourself a favor and watch the "Science of Fasting" documentary I linked above (starts a little slow, but gets VERY good and informative after the first 5-10 minutes. Takes place in Russia and Germany, with English narration. Doctors, studies, etc. all contained within). Dry fasting is basically that on steroids. There are a lot more anecdotal accounts of dry fasting healing crazy things, but I don't feel like digging any more than I already have at the moment. All I know is, I'm not disregarding all of that information just because of a lack of [email protected]<ing studies outside of the Russian language. I'll be the test subject for our community; I'm that confident it will work. Throughout my life my BS detector has gone off at basically everything outside of mainstream medicine. It did not so much as budge after beginning my research on fasting. If anyone has any questions or comments I'll be happy to discuss. I will be doing a long, long feed of about 2-3 weeks to get my weight up, then start my dry fasting. I'll keep everyone updated, as usual!

[Paolo]

I for one admire your commitment, seems you are getting great improvements 

Look forward to further updates.
Paul.

[skunkworks]

Finally dent free from water fasting (before/during fast): https://imgur.com/a/OVkQg2Y (after fast) https://imgur.com/a/Nh11AEs

My man, please do put this information somewhere a bit more visible like your own improvement thread or something. Maybe people will start to believe us about fasting if they see visual documentation like you have now provided. Respect.

[Whyisthishappening]

js great news, guys what about a step by step guide?

[JS1991]

paolo, thanks!!

skunkworks, roger that, I'll do it now!

Whyisthishappening, I am going to write out a full Peyronie's Survival Guide, or Fasting Guide in great detail, I already have a draft written up. A lot of what I am going to be saying though is just a collection of knowledge from things I have already linked to. I'm also going to coach people as much as I can; I've been guiding diehardpatriot for a month or two already.

I honestly would like to help as many people here as I can. Yes, I want to cure myself, but if I can help others that would be almost as satisfying. I hate seeing suffering and if I can lift the physical and mental burden from other men suffering from the condition, that would make me very happy. Helping others motivates me almost as much as helping myself. I feel for every one of you. That is literally the only reason why I kept a timeline from the start and document everything I do in such great, exhaustive detail: to provide knowledge to the community, in the hopes that it will help you guys, even a little bit. Speaking of which, I've finally updated my timeline, although you all are probably aware of everything I've done in recent months if you follow these fasting threads.

[Whyisthishappening]

hello to everybody just finshed a 36 hour dry fast,i saw a slight improvement when i woke up.I do not think i can handle a prolonged dry fast right now,but every time i try is easier never past the 48 hour mark though.

[JS1991]

Do you think you cannot handle it because you are underweight, or because it is literally difficult for you to physically get through? If it is because you are underweight, use the Snake Diet Block Fasting protocol I linked above. If it is because you can't physically, well have you ever done a 72 hour water fast before? You need to complete that to get through the crazy keto flu and enable you to fast longer; it's a one time thing and it won't come back after the first time. You're essentially just adjusting your body to full-blown ketosis. It is step #1 in the snake diet protocol: Complete a 72 hour water fast.

[Whyisthishappening]

 i feel i can't physically do more than two days dry.never tried  72 water fast. my goal is 120 hours hard dry fast.do you believe it is easier to first do 72 hour water fast then 120 hour dry fast,or after water fast one week IF and then the prolonged dry fast .

  filosonov says water fast for one or two days before a prolonged hard dry one but i think i should experiment to see what suits me better .thus far it was my fourth dry fast ,the second of more than a day 36 hours actually and far easier than my first 40 hour dry fast,but with some exceptions.the first one (40hours) was hard dry,the second one 36 soft.also i was doing physical activities all the time and did not got bored ,socializing,and having fun,.the first one was very boring just staying home  reading books and magazines.

 and something else for anyone who wants to experiment.you will see gains if any even after breaking the fast so be very careful to do not binge eat or drink ,stay on paleo raw vegan IF or keto and avoid junk food and sugar ,its very important how you break your fast and the period after it,remember we are doing it for a health issue and not to get lean ,like  an athlete who tries to make weight or a person for weight loss.
 my best wishes to all of you

[JS1991]

The reason you need to do a 72 hour water fast is to force your body into full blown ketosis and overcome the keto flu, break your sugar/carb addiction, etc. Your body needs to adjust to being in full ketosis, so you're going to feel like crap at first. I'm assuming that is what you're feeling, if I'm wrong then I would assume you don't have enough fat on your body. Just jump straight into a 72 hour water fast, then break it and eat, then dry fast as you please. Intermittent fasting sucks don't even mess with it for healing; it should be how you eat daily on refeed days. Trust me, do the 72 hour water fast and you'll feel 10x better. Don't over exert yourself during it. After that, you should feel absolutely fine during the first  72 of a dry fast. Also, be easy with physical activities while dry fasting and always listen to your body.

In terms of filinov/starting/breaking dry fast, the only reason he suggests sandwiching a dry fast between 2 day water fasts is to make starting and breaking the dry fast easier. Break the dry fast with coconut water, then an hour or so later knock back so baking soda in water to alkalize your body (you should start it like this as well), then you can move onto fruit later in the day, and the following day ease into solid food.

Also, if you get any kidney pain whatsoever, you can fix that by knocking back some apple cider vinegar, lemon juice and baking soda. Just drink the lemon juice through a straw you don't [email protected]< your teeth up (it's extremely acidic). Just search youtube for Snake Diet dry fasting videos, they have it down to a science and can answer all of your questions.

Edit: And do you have fat on you? What do you weigh? If you don't have enough fat DO NOT fast. You will eat away at muscle and this includes your heart.

[Whyisthishappening]

for 5 day dry fast how fat do i need i am about 10% right now

[popopo]

Is it even possible to go 5 days without water?

[JS1991]

popopo, Longest recorded is 18 days but I do not suggest going anywhere near that lol. I don't know where the mainstream got "3 days without water will kill you," they're retarded. Play by play of a 7 day dry fast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3LNSryj0E

Whyisthishappening, I don't go by body percentage, I go by actual weight, whether you can see your abs, just how much extra fat is obviously on the body. During the 7 day dry fast I linked above, the person lost 25 lbs, so I highly suggest you gain at least 10 if not more. 15-20 would be better.

[popopo]

What's the benefit of dry fasting over water fasting for healing? And what you guys think would be better for example: going 5 days without food and water once (prolonged dry fast) 2 times in half a year or do intermittent fasting (water and coffee allowed) for a period of half a year. I know the benefits of fasting and the theory that it regenerates cells. I'm just curious if a more extreme version will have better results or if IF which is easier to do long term will have the same or better results. What do you guys think?

[skunkworks]

I just haven't seen even an attempt at an explanation for why dry fasting would be better. I don't expect studies, but if there isn't even a hypothetical biochemical explanation for why it could be superior I don't know why anyone is attempting it.

For example, there are no studies on Peyronie's and fasting, but we can explain the biochemical processes which could help. It's not based on nothing.

Right now, dry fasting being superior to water fasting is based on nothing.

[TonySa]

So much is tried out of desperation, I’d def put dry fasting in that category.

[JS1991]

I've said it many times, but I'll repeat myself again on what is essentially going on when you dry fast (and of course, there are a lack of studies on dry fasting specifically, so I can't "prove" scientifically what I'm saying).

With dry fasting, you are getting the exact same benefits as water fasting, only the autophagy effect is tripled. Literally. What we are doing here is forcing the body to create it's own water via destruction of it's own cells. This valuable water is only allocated to essential processes within the body. Inflammation requires water to thrive. This means that areas of inflammation, starved of water, become no longer inflamed. The body rapidly incinerates any non-essential cells, including bacteria, fungi, cancer cells, anything foreign or unhealthy, especially scar tissue, which it replaces with your own stem cells. The effect is much more dramatic than water fasting, because of what I previously stated and because the body is in "emergency" mode and does all of this very rapidly. It is extreme for sure, but so is the healing. We are cheating the process to our benefit. Personally, I believe it is an evolutionary tool that we (and pretty much every other animal) have had for a long, long time. When severely injured, an animal (or human for that matter) would just lie there for days and rest, not consuming anything at all. Eventually it would gather the strength to make it to a water source. Then it would start eating again.

I don't know why I'm even linking this because it's obvious that nobody watches any of the videos I link, but here is a guy that got laser eye surgery, didn't take a single ointment, eye drop or medication the doctors gave him, and completely healed his eyes from the surgery in 3 days via 72 hour dry fast instead of the usual 6 week period it takes to heal up from said surgery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKSCD-Q60Go

Where did this knowledge come from? Mainly the Russian medical community. Which was then verified via anecdotal accounts of dry fasting healing on the internet. Which was then further verified via the Snake Diet group extensively testing dry fasting to heal different things. Which will hopefully be further verified by myself/others. If you guys require any other information specifically on the biochemical process of dry fasting, just ask!

popopo, intermittent fasting is trash for healing, dry fasting is best, but if you're hesitant just do extended water fasting; that is tested and proven to work.

Tony, although every treatment we try to heal our Peyronie's can technically be considered "out of desperation" due to the lack of effective, medically-proven treatments, the way you are making it out is as if I am saying, "maybe if I starve myself AND dehydrate myself it will work better than water fasting." Which is very far from the truth. Literally everything I do is based on hours and hours of research. In reality, weeks and months of research.

Let me ask you guys a question. The majority of my Peyronie's effects still remaining are hard to capture via before and after photos. If I manage to heal myself via dry fasting, will you accept my testimony, or will you reject it like every other anecdotal account I've linked? I feel like unless I manage to conduct or supply a full-blown scientific study (which would take years, and won't be initiated anytime soon in my opinion; they're still studying [email protected]<ing intermittent fasting with a few extended fasts and I don't have time to wait for that BS; I'm 27 and have things to do) none of you will accept anything I say regarding dry fasting. Please, at least look watch/read what I've linked in this comment and others in this post with an open mind. I am convinced that there is no way all of this is false, or all of these people are lying.

Edit: This crap aggravates me so much that I decided to dig and found the following:

Anthropometric, Hemodynamic, Metabolic, and Renal Responses during 5 Days of Food and Water Deprivation - Abstract - Forschende Komplementärmedizin / Research in Complementary Medicine 2013, Vol. 20, No. 6 - Karger Publishers

Effect of dehydration on Klotho expression: http://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajprenal.00037.2011

Fluid-restricted fasting accelerates ketosis / The dehydration treatment of epilepsy: https://digitalcommons.unmc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1180&context=mdtheses&sei-redir=1&referer=https%3A%2F%2Fscholar.google.com%2Fscholar%3Fstart%3D10%26q%3D%2522dehydration%2522%2B%2Bketosis%2Bmtor%2B%26hl%3Den%26as_sdt%3D0%2C33#search=%22dehydration%20ketosis%20mtor%22

Differential effects of fasting and dehydration in the pathogenesis of diabetic ketoacidosis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11229425/

Cell hydration and mTOR‐dependent signalling: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1748-1716.2006.01547.x

And feel free to look through Dr. Filinov's book (posted in a previous comment I made in this thread) and CTRL+F search different keywords such as "scar" or "inflammation". I can also link more studies pertaining to water fasting, although there's no point in my opinion, because we already know it works. Hope that helped.

[skunkworks]

Why is autophagy tripled though? By what mechanism? No-one has even attempted to explain a hypothetical process by which autophagy would be tripled with dry fasting, not with any sort of scientific basis at least. You're talking about studies when I specifically said I was not asking for that or expecting that.

Seriously, I am someone who has had results from fasting and I am asking an extremely legitimate question. Inflammation does not require water to thrive, at least not in any amount more than would be in your body if you weren't dead.
 
Eg.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26957750 which shows zero difference with regards to inflammatory markers between the dehydrated and non dehydrated athletes.

Or https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26042828 actually shows an increase in inflammation with dehydration and elevated sodium


So when you say "If you guys require any other information specifically on the biochemical process of dry fasting, just ask!" then I have to say yes, yes I do. The same question. Because the above explanation doesn't even come close. Do you have a link to anyone else attempting to explain it?

[suicidecomingsoon]

So much is tried out of desperation, I’d def put dry fasting in that category.

Yeah,  it is desperation. I agree

[popopo]

I do believe fasting has healing properties and I'm sure you've done your research. The only thing I think is very important here is that people aren't going to starve or dehydrate themselves just because it might work. I say the same about for example high dose testosterone. Anything that could potentially work is worth it, unless the risk is bigger than the reward. I'm sure most of you can do prolonged fasting without a problem and there might be some evidence, but I don't want people to start starving and dehydrating themselves just because there is a slight chance they might heal. Especially if the mindset is that the longer the fast the better it is. People might not heal and keep starving themselves in hopes of healing because of this post. I'm not talking about water fasting for a day (or two) or intermittent fasting. But 5 days without food and water seems very extreme to me unless you know exactly what you do and why.

[JS1991]

First of all, suicideiscoming I don’t think I’ve ever seen you post a comment that wasn’t you talking sh*t and being negative in random people’s threads. You talked the most sh*t about water fasting, then I provided before and afters and you shut your mouth. It’s absolutely insane to me. You lost the battle when creating your username. Again, crazy. Enjoy being miserable for the rest of your life. Such a bad mindset! I pray for your happiness.

At this point I’m done arguing, all I’m going to say is that lots of people dry fast for various reasons, and it is way easier then people imagine.. If it seems extreme to you don’t do it, and if you don’t know what you’re doing definitely don’t do it. I share my journey only to inform others on potential methods to heal, I do not have to sign on this forum and provide such throrough account of my research and what I do personally, but I do anyway and honestly it’s exhausting, but when you stack others’ disbelief on top it just becomes something I don’t want to deal with. Im in constant defense mode and now that I’ve broken through the water fasting disbelief I don’t have the energy for the dry fasting battle. And even with the proof I provided on water fasting there are people still saying you should only water fast 1-2 days, it blows my mind. I’m going to just do my own thing from now on because it’s obvious that there’s going to be no convincing certain people on the effects of dry fasting and I’m  getting so angry and insulted I’m just done.. The only thing I am going to provide a rebuttal on when I have time is the correlation between inflammation and water. If anyone has questions PM me, I promise I’ll check and answer from time to time.

[diehardpatriot]

JS please don’t stop posting about fasting. You don’t have to give rebuttals though, you’ve given enough including posting pictures of your own D online lol. The information is still extremely valuable and think about those in the future that will benefit. A few actives including myself love and read all of your posts and enjoy them. Thanks for all of it. Also, I don’t understand the whole “but I don't want people to start starving and dehydrating themselves just because there is a slight chance they might heal”. How many other things do people do on this forum for a slight chance of healing? Injecting their Ds with interferon, verapimil, crap even xiaflex doesn’t work 100 percent of the time. All the supplements, Pentox, etc.  And I don’t blame anyone for trying anything that can possibly help. It’s better than doing nothing and complaining that’s for sure

[popopo]

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't want people to starve and dehydrate in an attempt to heal themselves. If you go 5 days without food or water you're taking a bit of a risk. Realistically speaking the chance you're dehydrated is bigger than the chance of being peyronies free at day five. I might be totally wrong, but isn't the whole point of a forum to be able to discuss those things? If this truly works I'd go a month without food and water, so of course I'm interested, I just don't want people to dive in without discussing and informing themselves first.

[skunkworks]

Wtf. So somehow 'by what biochemical pathway would autophagy be tripled with dry fasting' is an unreasonable question which can blow minds and make people angry and insulted. What a load of crap.

Especially as the person asking the question, me, is one of the biggest proponents of fasting on the forum... If you're getting angry about that question, maybe you should ask yourself honestly why that is.

I'm not even saying dry fasting won't work, I'm asking what these ideas about dry fasting are based on, what biological process is theorised to be behind it. Beyond wishy washy statements and pdfs where the guy says toxins are afraid of dry fasted cells.

[diehardpatriot]

Skunkworks. I think your question is very valid. My response was more towards popopo. And popopo your bave a point but the fasting isn’t so dangerous. I’ve done it and others have too. Skunkworks one of the arguments is that because the body hasn’t to make its own water it gets even more resourceful than water fasting does. Hence, more autophagy and more cell cleansing. Just my guess

[JS1991]

So, admittedly I was on 3-4 hours sleep for multiple days straight when I last responded, which led me to be extemely cranky and a bit dramatic. The people living above my apartment got a dog that does not stop barking all night, but I’ve addressed the issue and feel a lot better now; my sanity has returned. Apologies for snapping, you’re a good man Skunkworks, and popopo your comment on this being a great place for discussion is spot on. Please forgive me.

A summary of the “science” behind dry fasting, which includes the water/inflammation correlation, 1 day dry fast = 3 day water fast, discussion of stem cell regeneration, etc. for those who don’t feel like reading Dr. Filinov’s poorly translated book, with a few sources at the bottom: https://articles.spiritsciencecentral.com/health-benefits-dry-fasting/

If you read that article from start to finish (it’s not that long), well that is essentially the theory I plan to put to the test to defeat Peyronie’s. After reading through the actual book, I came across countless anecdotal accounts of healing via dry fasting from people of all kinds, unrelated to each other, across the world, all corroborating what should be possible with the information contained within. Again, with the lack of studies in the West on Dry Fasting in particular, it is dependent on trusting that book as well as the countless anecdotal accounts that corroborate it. The lack of studies in the West leads to the main community supporting dry fasting to be hippies and the “all-natural” types, as seen in the name of the website: “spiritsciencecentral.” I can assure you, that is the only topic I am interested in reading about in any of those communities. Although they make outlandish claims across the board, I’m confident fasting in particular is the real deal.

I also had read at least one of those studies before but I’ve read so much in the past few months and I don’t always save it all, so I’m having trouble locating some of them in particular. There are also studies I’ve read that don’t specify in the title but do in the body that it is an absolute, or dry fast. I’ll post more as I find it.

[JS1991]

I’m currently 24 hours into a dry fast so I’ll give some details on it. The last time I ate was Monday night. Tuesday morning I weighed myself, and I was 208.2 lbs. I water fasted all day Tuesday as well as Wednesday morning (36 hours total), at which point I decided to shift over to a dry fast and weighed myself again. I was down to 205.8. After dry fasting for a full day I weighed myself again (Thursday afternoon) and I’m down to 201 lbs. I have enough fat to last me until about 170 lbs, possibly 165. The average weight loss during a week of dry fasting is about 25 lbs, so I’m in the clear to go over a week if I choose, although I’m unsure as of now how long I’ll be going. I’m doing a hard dry fast which means zero water contact; I didn’t brush my teeth, shower or wash my hands today. I don’t smell at all with the exception of keto breath, which I expected after reading that the body contains all waste within and disposes it mainly via urine, as opposed to a water fast where it comes out of your pores and pretty much everywhere else. I slept fine last night and I feel fine right now. I’m expecting to feel sh!^^y around the 72 hour mark when my electrolytes become depleted. As of now I still don’t have a dry mouth. I’ll update soon!

[Whyisthishappening]

js i wish you the best man pray for you,i am putting on some weight to start next week
 

[JS1991]

Thanks bro! I’m currently 48 hours in, I weighed myself again today (Friday afternoon) I’m down to 197.6 lbs. I now have dry mouth but I don’t feel that bad, I’m still moving around with no issues, driving, etc.. I’m expecting to feel sh!^^y tomorrow and have it fluctuate as the days go by. I would like to go as long as I can but I’m going to have to break the “hard” aspect of the dry fast and shower Monday morning so I’m fresh for the physical therapist who’s working on my pelvic floor lol. If all goes as planned it will be a one time thing and I’ll continue on with no water contact after that. I keep a liter of organic coconut water with me wherever I go so that I can break my fast if ever necessary. My biggest concern at this point is when/if I can drive my car while dry fasting; if I feel out of it I’m going to stay home and I might have to break it Monday if I don’t feel up to driving to my doctor’s appointment (as far as work goes, I own a business and have the ability to work from home, as well as having my cousin take on additional responsibilities to help me out). I’m being very careful. If that does end up happening, I’ll refeed for a week or two then jump straight into another hard dry fast, but hopefully that won’t be necessary. Regardless though, I will be doing multiple extended hard  dry fasts between now and the beginning of June. I’ll update tomorrow!

Edit: Also just wanted to let everyone know that I’m not doing this strictly for Peyronies. I have a torn meniscus in each knee and 4 herniated discs in my lower back that I hope to clear up, as well as loose skin that I hope to tighten up, and some issues with post acute withdrawal syndrome from benzodiazepines. I’ll keep everyone up to date on those issues as well over the course of the next two months. I used to have cubital tunnel syndrome in both elbows and rotator cuff tendinosis in both shoulders but I barely notice those issues ever since I did all that water fasting (Benzo PAWS saw great improvement as well) so I consider them healed. There is absolutely no way that can be placebo. A lot of injuries, I know, but that’s what I get for recklessly abusing my body and mind throughout my 20s via drugs and mixed martial arts (which I hope to return to this summer, albeit more carefully).

Edit 2: I’ve come up with a backup plan to avert breaking my dry fast in case I don’t feel good enough to drive to my doctors appointment Monday. Plan A will be to run a bath and add magnesium and potassium salts, which should make me feel more than good enough to take care of what I need to take care of. If that doesn’t work then I will be forced to break the fast, unless I can find someone to drive me, which is unlikely. To be honest though, I’ll probably be good to go, just informing everyone as much as possible on the complications dry fasting can add to daily life and ways to avoid them.

[JS1991]

Dry fast update 72 hours/ day 3: Slept like a baby last night, surprisingly I feel fine. Down to 195 lbs. I’ll update this comment daily from now on so I’m not spamming this thread with comments.

Update Day 4 (96 hours): I feel a bit more out of it today, but nothing that prevents me from driving. Slept good last night. Weight down to 192 lbs. Also found this: https://drmindypelz.com/the-benefits-of-dry-fasting/ which includes a few studies on dry fasting.

Update day 5: I felt about the same as yesterday today, but broke the fast because of a pelvic floor physical therapy appointment I had; I wasn’t sure if being dehydrated would affect it and I’ve heard you should feed for two weeks before doing intense muscle activity so you don’t pull a muscle. Didn’t want her fishing around for trigger points and injuring me. Turns out the appointment got cancelled an hour before I was supposed to go because I need an updated prescription from my urologist to see her again, which I’m in the process of getting. I am extremely f*cking pissed off right now because I easily could have gone another few days and now I need to refeed For a week or two before I jump into another one. Had I known I wouldn’t be going today I would have gone 7-14 days, depending on how I felt. So, now as I said I’m going to refeed a week or two then jump into another one. Final weight before breaking fast was 190.2, which is over 15 pounds lost in 5 days, not including the 3 pounds I lost in the 36 hour water fast I did to start the dry fast. Ugh, I’m so mad but whatever, it is what it is. I’ll let you guys know when I start another one. But this just goes to show how we’ve been lied to with that “3 days no water and you die” BS. I’d love to know who came up with that. I’ve seen such crazy benefits from water fasting and am expecting such crazy benefits from dry fasting that I’m beginning to think it was a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry to keep us on meds and not allow us to know you can basically fix 90% of ailments via fasting, but who knows lol. Also, I’m going to wait to assess the benefits of dry fasting until I’ve done a few to avoid any possible placebo effect, the same way I did it when I water fasted. After this experience I feel like if you know wtf you’re doing and do everything properly, the dry fast should give you no problems, with the exception of the lack of showers if you decide to do it “hard” instead of “soft”, which was the most aggravating part, and willpower. It is pretty damn tough to resist drinking something and breaking it especially if you’re a bit out of it, but I have such insane willpower that I actually am more afraid that I’ll push myself past my limits, although I doubt that will ever happen.

[Christopher1]

Here are some things you can do on your own your pelvic floor.

Jeanie Rub massager between the ischial tuberosities at maximum speed. Also over the inguinal lymph nodes. Helps with penile pain because those nodes drain your penis. Just look at an anatomy atlas or Google search for where those large lymph nodes are located.

You can have someone do a pelvic diaphragm release (YouTube) or just sit on two tennis balls medial to your ischial tuberosities - until those muscles "release."

This is all basic osteopathic medicine. I recommend a good osteopath over a good PT any day. Don't waste your time with PT. Good luck.

And keep up the dry fasting. Autophagy is the only thing that can truly nibble away at scar tissue - unless you are willing to get Xiaflex shots (yikes).

[Christopher1]

I personally am now avoiding heat as well.

Per the "fascial distortion model" - heat "bakes" the fascia together. I am not satisfied with this explanation, and will try to find a better mechanism of action for what truly happens with fascia when exposed to heat. Yes - heat brings in circulation, but it also prevents fascial planes from sliding comfortably over each other (allegedly). Nerves that sense pain are located in these fascial planes. Not good. I think ice is better.

Maybe tomorrow I will change my mind. But for now I am going for ice baths more than hot hands.

[JS1991]

Thanks Chris, I’m going to look into all of that pelvic floor stuff you just described! Regarding heat, it basically just makes my hard flaccid worse and feels uncomfortable. It’s like my body is telling me to stop, and I’ve been trying to “listen to my body,”so that’s what I’ve done. And I’m also considering ice baths as well. The only reason I haven’t so far is due to the amount of calories burned in the process; I’m trying to keep all the fat I can on my body since it’s essentially just fuel for autophagy. I’m pretty damn excited to be dry fasting because as you said, it’s pretty much the only thing that can nibble away at scar tissue and replace it with stem cells, which in conjunction with VED should, in my opinion, bring my penis closer to pre-peyronies than any other treatment.

Also forgot to add how I refed: I broke the fast with coconut water, waited a bit then made a drink for kidney health: apple cider vinegar mixed with baking soda, diluted with spring water and then followed up with lemon juice (through a straw to protect my teeth). A few hours later I drank some kombucha for gut health, along with bone broth and cold pressed fruit/vegetable juice. A little while later moved onto solid fruit, and now I am finally eating an organic Waldorf chicken salad. Might eat a pizza bagel later tonight as well lol. I just want to be very careful.

[Whyisthishappening]

hi js congratulations great mental power ,how many hours in total of dry fast and any Peyronies Disease related benefits?Keep eating good please man no junk i have noticed refeeding is equally importatant.

[JohnnyDoe]

Respect for going through with it! I wonder if I could go to sleep feeling out of it, knowing I have not been drinking water for days. Im also wondering about the benefits or other effects you see on your body and Peyronies. Although I assume there might be long-term effects as things take time and the whole refeeding part might play a role too.

I know (by following mma haha...) that short term weight loss and dehydration is risky for your organs. But of course this is a different activity than weight cutting in fight sports.

I hope you will get only good things out of it of course! Looking forward to read more.

[JS1991]

I've been away for a while, but an update. I've been keeping up with extended dry fasts of 3+ days and my inflammation is down about 80% of where it was last time I posted. Huge improvements in hard flaccid as well. I feel I've essentially proved all of my theories correct over the past few months. Dry fasting is basically just a sped up version of water fasting; it is much harder but provides much better results. I haven't had any ill effects either, and I've retained all of my muscle. Any questions, feel free to ask. Glad to be back!

Also wanted to mention that my penis was so inflamed last time I posted that it was difficult to edge for too long. I can now edge as I please. I can literally press the formerly tender spots with my finger and they don't hurt too much. I'm still inflammatory, but as I said, it is greatly reduced. I've returned to having sex, but I'm trying to keep it at a once a month or twice a month limit. Speaking of which, in order to help my hard flaccid, I've probably only ejaculated about 5-6 times since March. Hard to do, but worth the results. This wretched hard flaccid is so hard to beat... I'm going for an 11 day dry fast in October, so we'll see how that goes. Last time I did a 9 day the head of my penis partially refilled and regained sensitivity, and it was hanging loose while standing, but edging, smoking weed, and a few orgasms set me back. I need a long fast + abstinence to decimate this inflammation in my pelvis. I'll also note that I've been seeing a pelvic floor physical therapist bi-weekly as well as using a therawand every other day. I'm waging full war on hard flaccid and I will not stop until I beat it. I truly feel like extended fasting is the key; it's the only thing that has given me big, noticeable results. I'll also mention that I used to not be able to sit without pain, and I now sit relatively pain free, for as long as I wish. There's just a few stubborn spots internally that need release. When I was on that 9 day dry fast I felt it spasm, but in a good way if that makes sense. It would sporadically give me a satisfying, releasing spasm internally. Extended dry fast is the only thing that has ever provided that for me.

I also got permission to share my pelvic floor physical therapist with anyone who wants to use her: Dr. Stephanie Barken, who just got married and changed her name to Dr. Stephanie Goldstein. She is located in Bay Shore, NY. She is amazing. I also use Dr. Muldwin as my urologist, who specializes in pelvic floor dysfunction, and is colleagues with Amy Stein (who wrote a popular book on the subject). I have a good team behind me, and good tools (therawand, fasting). I'm going to beat this stupid hard flaccid BS, mark my words. And as I said before, I don't really consider Peyronie's an issue anymore since the fasting gives me such ridiculous control over the issue.

Shoutout to NeoV who just posted a video on fasting to his YouTube channel. I've been a huge fan of his since day one. I got the alert on my phone that he had posted the video, and that is what inspired me to come back and post. I'll be sticking around for the foreseeable future.

Also worth noting that I had pretty severe protracted benzodiazepine withdrawal symptoms that I've nearly wiped out with dry fasting. It is considered brain damage, and I have mostly healed it. I feel better after every fast. Most people suffer with the condition for years.

Overall, I'm back to meeting women and having sex, which is huge for me. It stagnates my hard flaccid recovery, but I need to live my life. I'm shooting for an 11 day dry fast in October so I'll keep everyone updated on that.

Edit: Also wanted to mention that the 4 herniated discs in my lower back no longer affect me AT ALL since dry fasting. It's f*cking amazing. My knees, shoulders and elbows have seen ridiculous improvement as well. And wanted to mention that during extended fasts you should be ABSTAINING and not using your penis, and this includes for the first 2-3 days afterwards.

Edit 2: Refeeding is a science and needs to be done properly. Refeeding syndrome can be deadly, specifically after a dry fast. I will note that I eat a crap american diet during my refeeds, for the most part. In terms of acidic environment created in the body during a dry fast, the last thing I put in my body before beginning a long dry fast is 1 tsp baking soda in water; when breaking it, I break with the same. You need to alkalize the body. The one time I didn't do this (after a 6 day hard dry fast) I had kidney pain. Dry fasting is very aggressive, you don't want to give yourself kidney stones. When you're water fasting and drinking snake juice I will literally refeed how I want. When breaking after a dry fast, after the baking soda/water, (which I drink very slowly over an hour or two), I progress to coconut water which is loaded with potassium. Then I move to fruit as my first solid food, then I move to lean protein, then lastly, carbs. Lastly, in my opinion, a 10-18 day hard dry fast might completely rid me of hard flaccid, and will definitely do the best healing to scar tissue. Duration of fast is key, specifically every day past day 3 is money in the bank. Which is why I'm shooting for 11 day soft dry as a test (hard dry is too difficult to do and lead a normal life; I need to shower and brush my teeth lol). You have to have the fat on your body in order to do it, which I do. As you've all seen, I have no problem pushing the limits and being the guinea pig/pioneering this sh*t, so not to worry, I will have reports to give next month.

A quick story as well: I once broke an 8 day soft dry fast way too quickly, and got to a point where everything I put in my body was coming straight back out as diarrhea. Diarrhea will quickly deplete you of electrolytes. And the more I tried to replenish, the faster it would come out. I ended up having to just settle feeling like crap and take baby sips over the course of 6-8 hours just to get what I could in my body. I've also had a situation where I drank too much coconut water and was experiencing mild hyperkalemia. The moral is, don't be dumb. If you do a dry fast, refeed properly. If water fasting with snake juice, it's not as important, as the body is used to electrolytes and this makes it way harder to go into refeeding syndrome.

Sorry for the unorganized post... I have a lot of info to get out and I'm editing it all in as I remember it. It's a bit disorganized, I know.

[Christopher1]

Excellent!

Make sure to also monitor your magnesium levels. Everyone always worries about potassium. Magnesium is also crucially important.

[JS1991]

Yes, I try to cover that with the assortment of fruit I eat after breaking dry fast. Specifically raspberries.

I caught a pretty bad sore throat that I felt the beginnings of on Saturday morning, which progressed to a full blown sore throat this morning. I haven’t ate or drink since last night (Saturday night) and plan on dry fasting until Tuesday night to burn it out. I’m meeting with a girl I know Wednesday night so I’m hoping to be better by then. My brother, who I caught it from, had his sore throat last a full weak. I can also feel it in my sinuses.

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