What is the recommended traction device here?

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missionfix

I know people are talking a lot about the RestoreX but it seems to not have studies/data backing it up. What are the devices with studies and data backing up it's efficacy? If price is no object, which device is considered the best on the market currently?  

Pfract

Actually, there are studies on the device itself. That where published on reputable urology journals. Check the devices website, which is very easy to find and see for yourself. Also, check out the 10 month update thread from think positive. Very encouraging results.


missionfix

Okay but is the RestoreX now considered the gold standard here? I thought the Penimaster Pro was? I'd rather take something with years of research behind it than just one or two, personally.

skunkworks

There is one study on Restorex, not studies. Seems to be a manufacturer run study?
This is an emotionally destructive condition, we all have it, let's be nice to each other.

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thinkpositive

Traction is traction but not all traction devices are the same.  RestoreX is the latest generation of traction solutions.  It takes just 30 minutes a day, the PPP has to be worn for many hours but I have no experience with it.

In the end, its your choice, I have had great success so far with RestoreX and it does not impose itself into my day so much  

thinkpositive

It probably takes a lot of patience to be a doctor who has many patients.  

Many prudent doctors (Including the Mayo clinic) recommend traction as a first line treatment.  It carries very little to no risk and can have big rewards given this is a disease that can take years from onset to reach some sort of a final outcome.  During that time, traction can minimize many long term effects from the scar and actually reverse or breakdown scar tissue.  Once you reach a very stable phase, if you are not happy with your outcome, there are other options discussed in other parts of this forum.  

thinkpositive

Your 5th grade hillbilly education is shing through bubba and the only thing proved in this thread/your posts is you are an idiot.

Peyronies Disease is a slow process that takes years and getting Xiaflex shots does not prevent calsified plaque from forming, Xiaflex is an enzyme that eats calsified plaque if you happen to get it.  There are no cures for Peyronies Disease, there is no exact protocol, researchers are still trying to figure it out, but Xiaflex is one tool that doctors can use to try to improve ones condition, like traction.      

1. As everyone in the thread can see, 30 minutes a day using RestoreX 8 of 10 months has given me excellent results.  I have chosen to increase to 60 minutes a day because I'm impressed with my results and I have no travel and have time to do it.  If I had time, I would have been doing it 90 minutes a day...but dont have the time.  The bottom line is even with only 30 minutes, I got great results.  Only an uneducated hillbilly or stuffed animal might not recognize that.  

2. Xiaflex is not given to patients in the acute phase (although there have been some interesting tests with positive results doing this), it's FDA approved for use in patients who are in the stable phase and have a curve beyond 30 degrees (someone correct those facts if i'm Off).  I am still in the first year and I don't have any calsified plaque that a doctor can inject Xiaflex into.  So Einstein, how the hell can I get Xiaflex?  How is that a better solution than Traction at this stage?   you are so thick, did your mamma drop you on your head multiple times as a child?

3. Xiaflex is not a magic bullet and it has failed for some our members, worked great for others.  According to my doctor we will wait to see how traction effects the outcome and if I have any calsified plaque.  He said I will get one shot at using Xiaflex so better wait as long as I can.  WHICH COULD TAKES YEARS.  What you fail grasp in that little uneducated brain of yours.  This disease takes years to pan out, there is no quick fix, Xiaflex doesn't prevent Peyronies Disease, and its impossible to know how things are going to go for each person in the first year, maybe not even in the second year.

4.  Peyronies Disease is a slow disease and scars changes for many years, in fact they are always changing so traction is a way to model the scare as time progresses in a positive way.  Scars tend to contract over time, traction fights against that.    

5.  I can finally feel a little bump recently, it might be the start of some plaque..not sure.  If that is the case, and I keep stretching this second year.  Then when and if my doctor thinks Xiaflex is right for me, then we can attack that plaque...if my body has not already dissolved it on its own.  

You are an idiot Bubba, and you prove that with each and every post you make... you have no idea what your talking about, the backtalk with admins about you is just that.  The admins are just letting you post your garbage so we can correct you and teach the new forum members the truth.  

TonySa

The most research and experience is with the devices that pull the dick in one direction-either noise or glans suction type.  Research shows the longer the wear time the better the gains.  Gland suction type can be worn longer.  Highly regarded is the PMP, the ESL-40 is an inexpensive version.  Restorex is the new kid on the block with higher tension and can pull in two directions at once.  Protocol is less wear time and one study shows some improvement.  Must expensive too.  Several guys here showing improvement as well. My rec, is just choose one and get started.
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

skunkworks

I just wish we had more data re Restorex, the biggest reason why people fail with traction is the time input required is so large so being able to do just 30min a day would be a gamechanger.

The high tension though... We've already had one member using Restorex who had the symptoms of what happens when you use too much tension in a traditional device.
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thinkpositive

I'm not advocating one traction device over another, you have to make that choice yourself...however I am a fan of traction as a first line treatment.  It has worked well for me and I cannot imagine wearing a device all day.

Bubba doesn't understand what we are discussing here, probably has a tough time understanding global warming as well  

Pfract

The best part is when Bubba says 'thinkpositive'' had a minor improvement. He clearly has been bashing restorex and traction at every chance he has versus xiaflex. Also, when they present him with a very detailed response he barely says anything and basically shrugs it off. I wonder what agenda is he running here?  

WhatNext81

Mayo's data on xiaflex patients have proven to have better results than xiaflex claimed, at least a year ago. At the time, I was one of two patients that was using RestoreX in conjunction with xiaflex. It worked great for me. Every case is different.

Best advice for RestoreX, listen to your body and only bury that tension line when your body is comfortable in doing so.  

***Also, listen to thinkpositive. He knows what he's talking about. Stop arguing with the guy.***

Don't rip on a Dr who has devoted his life and a good portion of his practice to this syndrome. That's just disrespectful.  
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thinkpositive


skunkworks

Exactly where in this thread did anyone 'rip on' a doctor?
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WhatNext81

Bubba
When xiaflex was FDA approved, the success rate wasn't very good. Also, insurance covers it because it's a medication, among other reasons. The pharmaceutical industry is a very lucrative business. One reason it's so expensive is the fact that it's FDA approved. If for any reason there were a lawsuit, or a class action lawsuit, well, you do the math.  
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skunkworks

Your time here would be best served talking about your xiaflex experiences in xiaflex related threads, rather than coming into many threads about other treatments such as traction and talking about why it is the wrong treatment, despite the fact that you know nothing about it.
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WhatNext81

It's the first line of treatment because xiaflex isn't covered in the first six months of having peyronies. Also, your bend has to be more than 30 degrees. And it's non-invasive, so again that makes it the first line of treatment. Awareness is most important. It will help people catch it right away. Traction very well could be the answer for those with the first symptoms of peyronies. One last thing, after my treatments I was told to ween off RestoreX. Even use it as a maintenance preventative measure. Or, If any new plaques show up, to start up traction again. So, the goal was stabilize and now control anything new with traction.  
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Pfract

@Bubba so only now where you watching traction videos? Man.... Looking at all the hate you were spewing on it I thought you were an expert and saw and read it all beforehand! By the way... Seems like you are the right candidate for that contraption!  8)

WhatNext81

RestoreX - up to 60 mins a day, 30 mins per season. Throw on some Netflix and watch a show?  
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Tony52

How much length did you regain using Restorex, WhatNext?  I don't think you are using it anymore, right?  Thanks.

Tony52

knowledge81

Quote from: missionfix on February 07, 2019, 04:24:36 PM
I know people are talking a lot about the RestoreX but it seems to not have studies/data backing it up. What are the devices with studies and data backing up it's efficacy? If price is no object, which device is considered the best on the market currently?

What did you buy in the end? I just started doing it manually as those devices all look like medievel torture devices that involve crushing some part of yr johnson.
Age: 42
Diagnosed: July 2020
Shape: 45° up (plaque on sides & top)
Treatments: ESWT
Supplements: L-Citrulline, French Maritime Pine Bark Extract.

GaussRifle

Resotrex probably has the most amount of scientific data backed by it. Get over your medieval torture mindset. I swear by restoreX and this is coming from the the guy who has also done Xiaflex. Nothing improved my condition as much as restoreX. See its scientific backed up data on their website and on International journal of sexual medicine.  
26 year old
45-50 degree downward curve with an indentation on one side when erect.
Using RestoreX and Xiaflex injections
Taking coq10 with daily Cialis 5mg.

knowledge81

Quote from: GaussRifle on August 08, 2021, 01:33:50 AM
Resotrex probably has the most amount of scientific data backed by it. Get over your medieval torture mindset. I swear by restoreX and this is coming from the the guy who has also done Xiaflex. Nothing improved my condition as much as restoreX. See its scientific backed up data on their website and on International journal of sexual medicine.

I would happily get over my mindset with user experience shared. I am looking for answers same as everyone. How long have you used it? What improvement? Any negative aspects especially regarding clamping? What other treatment have/do you do? Thanks.
Age: 42
Diagnosed: July 2020
Shape: 45° up (plaque on sides & top)
Treatments: ESWT
Supplements: L-Citrulline, French Maritime Pine Bark Extract.