Topic: congenital penile with a tight frenulum (Read 2130 times)

Data1 · « **on:** October 20, 2018, 02:33:56 PM »

Hi ,
I am suffering from a congenital penile curvature with 50-60 degree downwards and a tight frenulum which pulls down that glans. I haven't had sex before and I went to many doctors some of them recommended me to have an operation with Nesbit technique and the others told me to not take the risk of having an operation due to the side effects of this operation and they told me to get married first and if i found some difficulties with the intercourse I come back to them to have a surgery to release the tight frenulum and from there we can evaluate the situation and if it didn't work then we will go with Nesbit surgery. Consequently, I don't know what should I do. Should I have a surgery with Dr Osama shaer with his corpora cavernosa rotation technique or should I go with Nesbit technique or should I have the realising of a tight frenulum surgery. Could you please share with me your experience and your advice?

Regards.

TonySa · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2018, 04:10:36 PM »

I’d research light stretching if the foreskin/frenulum before an operation. Have you tried Intercourse yet?

Data1 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2018, 04:27:21 PM »

Thank you Tsanchez12369 for your reply. Unfortunately, I did not try intercourse. I want to get rid of this problem first. I find it very embarrassing to have sex with this situation.

TonySa · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2018, 04:30:52 PM »

It is quite a severe case and would very likely make intercourse at least difficult. Nesbit is the most straightforward procedure. It’s most important to find a very experienced surgeon with low infection rates and good outcomes.

Data1 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2018, 05:03:00 PM »

What about stage?

Monty · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2018, 05:20:08 PM »

do you masturbate ok, or do you get pain?

Data1 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2018, 12:44:52 AM »

I don't have problems with masturbation. But I feel it so tight from the down side of the skin.

Monty · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2018, 03:41:21 AM »

Hi, so you can pull your foreskin all the way over your glans without pain?

Data1 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2018, 05:58:19 AM »

Thank you Monty for your reply. Actually I am circumcised. So there is no pain at all. The problem is only with the downwards curvature and the tight frenulum.

redbullmaster · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2018, 12:59:07 PM »

I know on the enlargement sites, members cut there own frenulum.
Not saying you should do that yourself, but i don’t think its a big operation.

If its an issue not sure why you can't just have the frenlum cut first and see how things are after.

But until you have sex, or maybe try a fleashlight first to see how penetration is with your curve.
Then if you have issues you can make your mind up on if you need to have it straightened.

TonySa · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2018, 03:16:10 PM »

Flesh light great idea to see how it might impact intercourse.

Data1 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 29, 2018, 04:36:41 AM »

Finally, yesterday. I had the surgery that was done by Dr . Osama shaer in Egypt. He used the rotation technique with my case. When I woke up Dr. Osama told me that I didn't loose massive length and everything went well. Now. I don't feel any pain since I am still under pain killer. I will keep updating you about my status.

Best regards

DanP · « **Reply #12 on:** January 14, 2019, 06:09:26 AM »

how is it going?

Data1 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 14, 2019, 02:26:33 PM »

Thank you DanP for your question,

It's been 18 days since I had the surgery. Dr. Osama told me to wait for 4 months to get the final results.
Anyway, the current status is that i have a straight penis but i complain about some other issues that came out after the surgery:

1- I lost the sensation. Dr. Osama said it needs time to get back the sensation.
2- The sutures are permanent and they are so obvious and solid. So, i feel like i am robot not human being.
3- The sutures were tightened so much and that causes extreme pain on my penis.
4- I have got a new minor curvature to the right side because one of the sutures were tightened so much on the middle of the penis.
5- I lost some girth.
6- I have some parts are wider than others. So, the girth is not equal.
7- My erection became so weak not like before. I believe these sutures create some kind of resistance to the erection.

However, I can't do anything right now because i have to wait for 4 months. But if it is still like this and i have some worries that nothing will change since i have permanent sutures. I think if it is the case i will seek for another surgery to remove these sutures.

Best regards

alasch · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2019, 07:18:00 AM »

Hi data 1
That is a common problem with the rotation technique. You lose girth... which is bad. Length loss is also present. Losing sensation doesn’t seem to be normal. Ask dr osama if he damaged your nerves? Sensation usually comes back after penis surgery.
Non absorbable sutures are always palpable and you can feel them. That is why I didn’t want to undergo any surgery with non-absorbable stitches.
The weak erwctions are probably caused by the pin you have due to the tension on the non absorbable stitches. I don’t think you have Erectile Dysfunction.
Is the residual curvature causing any problem?

Data1 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2019, 12:59:33 PM »

Hi alasch,
I agree with you 100%. It is so bad to lose girth,length and sensation. Besides, i don't have a residual curvature but i got anew curvature to anew direction. My curvature was downward; So, I had not any curvature to the right or left sides. and i ended up after the surgery with anew curvature to the right side which is something drive me crazy.

I had the surgery to get rid of the downward curvature not to get a new curvature to a new direction. I went to the rotation technique to save some length but i ended up with more issues. one of the sutures was tightened so much on the middle of the penis and that created the new curvature.

Actually, if i can go back with time i would not have had this surgery.

pfract · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2019, 01:49:41 PM »

Are you still suffering from the same problems as above on the other post?

Data1 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2019, 02:03:58 PM »

Hi pfract,

I still have those problems. I don't have a downward curvature any more but I got a new curvature to the right side. So, Yes i still suffer from losing of sensation,girth and i have pain. I have to wait for 3 months more to evaluate the situation before going to another surgery in order to remove those sutures.

Best regards

mst1622 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2019, 04:38:00 PM »

As I remember, you can't hit the USA right now but I would write an email to dr Joel Gelman - maybe he would recommend some surgeon for you outside the US.
Doctor knows this forum and he visited us in the past, so I think it is good idea to contact with him.
Official contact is right here: https://www.centerforreconstructiveurology.org/contact/

If it will fail, then dr Rados Djinovic from Serbia has good papers: https://www.savaperovic.com/rados-djinovic.htm He was taught by a father of reconstructive urology Sava Perović, so he is probably the best option if you can't go US.
But first, try to contact with dr Gelman

Data1 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2019, 10:59:44 AM »

Hi mst1622,

Thank you so much for your support. I will send an email to dr. Joel Gelman and I hope that there will be a solution for
my case.

Best regards

Data1 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2019, 06:45:34 AM »

Hi,
It's been 2 months since the surgery and the current status is:
1-still, there is swelling.
2-pain in the whole day that includes feeling of burning on the penis.
3. I got back some of the sensation but still there are some parts I can not feel them.
4. I sent some pictures to Dr. Osama to ask him about the remaining curvature and the new curvature that appeared after the surgery. He told that I have to wait more time because it is might be possible that I have not got a real erection and usually the real erection comes on the sixth month after the surgery.

It looks like a long journey.

Jack1909 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 24, 2019, 03:03:00 AM »

God...straightening surgeries are far worse than Peyronies Disease itself. Hope you might improve

Data1 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2019, 01:15:37 PM »

Thank you Jack 1909 for your feeling.
Yesterday, i woke up of pain, then i touched the stitches and i found out that the tip(end) of one of the sutures got out from the skin, and i could touch it. is that normal with nonabsorbable sutures? now, the end of sutures are under the skin but i am afraid that what happened yesterday could happen again.

TonySa · « **Reply #23 on:** February 25, 2019, 01:43:59 PM »

Doesn’t sound normal unless it is a suture to close the skin and will be removed. I’d get to the doctor, sounds like the suture was placed incorrectly and/or is being rejected and migrating to the surface. How experienced is this doc w peyronies surgeries. Do you have anyone else you can consult w as well? Hang in there, stay active w getting proper care and keep us posted.

Data1 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2019, 02:37:07 PM »

Thank you TonySa for your reply.
The doctor has a good reputation in this field. Unfortunately, I couldn't get to someone had a surgery with him, but i saw him performing these surgeries on the Youtube. Below, I will share a video on Youtube for a surgery that similar for what I had. Actually, if I could go back in time I wouldn't have accepted any surgeries that include permanent sutures.

Correction of Penile Curvature Without Shortening - YouTube

Data1 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 10, 2019, 03:23:50 AM »

Dears,
Is it normal to have persistent pain after 73 days from a surgery?

kusher · « **Reply #26 on:** March 10, 2019, 04:07:28 AM »

I had 3 penile curvature repair operations. I never felt pain 1 month post op in all the 3 surgeries. Maybe that's why the rotation method is not used in usa and Europe. Did the doctor warn u about the potential of pain?

Data1 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 10, 2019, 04:23:05 AM »

Thank you kusher for your reply,
Yes, he told me the pain will go by time. It would take to 4 months to get the final results. But last week, I talked to him and he told me that I have to wait up to six months.
I feel there is something wrong.

Data1 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 11, 2019, 04:53:34 PM »

Hi,

it's been than 3 months and two weeks, specifically (106) days from the surgery.
Although, I keep eating healthy food and taking vitamin E every day, the recovering process is so slow, i don't know if it is a common thing after the surgery or my surgery didn't go well.

Every morning I feel pain for around 30 minutes with burning sensation. Every hour i get pain for around 10 minutes even if there is no erection.Yes. I do have a good erection every morning but after that I get pain.

Regarding to the curvature, I have 2 curvature one is on the head which is chordee and the other one on the penis.
Dr. Osama told me that there was no need to fix the chordee because fixing the curvature would fix the chordee.
Now, after 3 months of the surgery, I can say that it was a wrong opinion, because the first curvature was fixed, but i still stuck with severe chordee. The worst part is this the surgery developed a new minor curvature to the right side that wasn't exist before the surgery. I can't understand why the doctor didn't remove the chordee during the operation and why I got a new curvature.

Finaly, I lost a massive width and I got a deformed penis, I am trying to convince myself to accept this result rather than going for another surgery. I am totally not satisfied with my results and I believe this surgery was the biggest mistake that I have done in the entire of my life.

TonySa · « **Reply #29 on:** April 12, 2019, 09:16:20 PM »

It certainly seems this surgery is not havingbthe best outcomes. I do know it can take longer than 2.5 months to regain lost sensations due to stretched nerves during the operation. The biggest concern is the loss of girth. I think the only thing you can do is to wait another 2-3 months for any additional improvement. Please keep us posted, I believe your story is so important for anyone considering surgery for a cogenital curve to really try to avoid it if at all possible. Oh, it is great news you’re having erections, so at least the operation didn’t cause Erectile Dysfunction. Are you able to masturbate, ejaculate and orgasm yet.

Data1 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2019, 04:44:41 PM »

Thank you TonySa,
I masturbated few times and it was good, except the pain. Having a persistent pain is something that drives me crazy. I do not want to take painkillers every day, but I think I have to. I am going to see a local doctor to evaluate the situation, at least to understand what is going on. Because this situation is not acceptable for me. My life has changed to a nightmare since that surgery. I can't concentrate on my work because of this pain and that of course affect me psychologically. I paid 4000 Dollars for the surgery and more than 2000 dollars for airplane tickets , hotels and tests to get rid of this issue and instead of that I ended , up with a persistent pain and a deformed penis. It is something frustrating.

Data1 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 13, 2019, 07:20:03 PM »

It seems that the surgery caused a serious issue which is a long erection. In the last few months i noticed that i have long erections that wake me up from deep sleep. I can't sleep for more than 2 hours without waking up from a pain with erection. I have to walk for 3 or 5 minutes or sit on the bed for few minutes to get rid of of the erection. I called Dr. Osama to ask him about this problem and he told me that "this is normal because you have not had sex before and once you have sex for many times this issue will disappear". Actually, I masturbated many times before going to bed in order to avoid these night erections but unfortunately, nothing has changed I still have long erections. Today, I saw a doctor for the first time after the surgery and i showed him photos for the penis before and after the surgery. The doctor didn't like the rotation surgery, he said that the best solution for the curvature is plication surgeries and any other surgeries would be kind of expermantels which might work or cause many problems like what i have. The doctor said when we sleep it is a normal and healthy to have some erections for few minutes but in my case which is for hours it seems that the blood enter the penis and can't get out easily because the sutures, which causes long erections that require moves of me to allow the blood to go out. This what I understood from the doctor which sounds a serious problem. However, the doctor said i have to have another surgery to remove these sutures or the problem will be developed badly. Therefore, he asked for Ultrasound to evaluate the damages. Honestly, I'm really afraid this rotation surgery caused me irreversible damages.

Henn · « **Reply #32 on:** May 13, 2019, 09:13:46 PM »

Sorry to hear your bad situation. Maybe you could ask for opinions from multiple doctors and then decide whether a surgery is necessary

Data1 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 13, 2019, 09:28:32 PM »

Thank you Henn,
Next week, I will have the Ultrasound. Then I will send it with the medical report to Dr. Gelman and Dr. Kuehhas. As I remember from the first week, I felt that there was something wrong. Now, it's been almost 5 months from the surgery and I still struggling from pain and many side effects.

Henn · « **Reply #34 on:** May 13, 2019, 10:03:40 PM »

I waited two years to have a second surgery to minimize the possibility of any side effects, but I think your case is different from mine. Dr. Gelman and Dr. Kuehhas are experts in dealing with curvature, and I hope that they could find a way to deal with the sutures and the pain.

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