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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #200 on: January 21, 2020, 10:22:23 PM »

Any comments/ideas ?
Yeah, eat very healthy once you break the fast. Load up on vitamins, especially C all day everyday. 
Fasting besides intermediate shouldn't be done too often. I guess you get some bad stuff flushed out.(which shouldn't be put in again).
Great program otherwise with the stretching etc. keep improving.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #201 on: January 24, 2020, 04:59:01 PM »

End of day 4 (out of 5)
-Water Fast
-Added some sea salt on day 2 because was getting arhythmia (irregular heartbeats, sign of lack of magnesium, has stopped since taking the salt)
-usual routine - most supplements (=hyperthermia, mild P stretching, light exercise, pelvic muscles streching)
-kept taking L-carnitine though
-no masturbation or sex

Peyronie's-wise
-Plaque: cannot really say if there is any difference
-Pain: I have had absolutely no pain apart from once in the 1st day, but absolutely nothing since then
-Penile function: NO spontaneous erections (same as before starting the fast), could achieve a voluntary one with a lot of effort (in order to examine the curvature)
-Curvature: did NOT get worse, I think it got better! flaccid looks the same as on 'healthy' days. erect looks slightly less curved.
-Bloodflow: it seems the bloodflow has improved, Mr P. hangs more fully than usual (even if skipping one or two hyperthermia sessions which happened today) even though it's really cold here. I think we can still attribute this to the hyperthermia (been doing it daily for 2 weeks)

Recap
Day 1 was fine just like any other day
Day 2 was hard, low energy, strained, went to a yoga class = loads of stretching
Day 3 was harder, but went for a light workout at the gym + sauna
Day 4 is better but still I'm not up to much, have been having deficient focus and memory since day 2
Day 5 SHOULD get better as I should be fully adapted into ketosis

Evaluation
Improvements made since beginning the fast (cannot for sure be attributed to the fast): Curvature has slightly improved to the eye (like it would look on a very good day), and I have had absolutely no pain (none at all since day 2) and barely any discomfort (could almost say NO discomfort, seeing how much it has decreased)


Update tomorrow or the day after.
Take care.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #202 on: January 25, 2020, 09:24:44 AM »

Thank you for the updates, youngster!
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #203 on: January 27, 2020, 05:21:03 AM »

Overall after 5 days, it seems there has been no improvement. I will give it another shot in a couple months, for a longer time (and start/end with a dry fast)
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #204 on: February 10, 2020, 08:56:32 PM »

Just wanted to say I’m back to water fasting. The goal is to fully abstain from ALL sexual activity for the duration of the fast and a day or two afterwards, in order to loosen tight muscles in my pelvic floor that give me hard flaccid. I plan on “freestyle” fasting for the next few months, and will likely be completing water fasts ranging from 2-20 days in this duration. I always refeed half as many days as I water fast. I will update on the state of my hard flaccid as time goes by. I believe if I can stack the minor gains I’ve gotten from fasting in the past regarding my hard flaccid, while living a STRICT lifestyle conducive to not making it worse, I should be able to slowly cure myself. We’ll see! Abstinence from edging and orgasm will be key.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #205 on: February 12, 2020, 12:43:50 AM »

I thought I'd add that this was where I originally got the inspiration to water fast my hard flaccid away, over a year ago: https://www.pegym.com/forums/penile-anomalies-injuries-pelvic-floor-issues/54162-hard-flaccid-recovery.html

To be honest, my biggest downfall when it comes to hard flaccid is abstaining. I find it extremely, extremely hard to do. Not even porn or masturbation, but not having sex with the many women available to me, and not touching myself when they message me or send me pictures. It is F^@$!ng excruciating to abstain from sex at my age and purposely cancel out my sex drive. Fasting does help because it lowers the sex drive greatly, but mine is so naturally high that I still have trouble. That being said, the only serious improvements I've had (that weren't long and drawn out over time) came upon completion of long fasts while FULLY abstaining and allowing the muscles to relax.

I'll update on my situation as I go.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #206 on: February 12, 2020, 08:08:35 AM »

JS, add traction to abstinence plus fasting and you will see massive improvements. Remember that 25% of men using traction experience pain or discomfort afterward. For me, sex does not bother my penis anymore at all compared to masturbation. I say sex is fine as long as your diet is good (low carb high fat). Fasting alone is NOT good enough. Breaking your fast with carbs causes devastating effects on your blood vessels and research supports this. Eat low carb for life and fast.

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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #207 on: February 13, 2020, 04:54:54 PM »

Neo, Concerning traction, well, I began traction when I first got Peyronies, which was the month  you started your YouTube channel. I did not have hard flaccid at the time, but I ended up getting it about a month later. After getting hard flaccid it became difficult to apply traction, and it would even make my hard flaccid worse. I did manual traction for months afterwards but decided to stop and wait until my hard flaccid went away. Part of me thinks traction might have caused it, since it seems to be one of the leading causes along with excessive masturbation. Plus, I was perfectly fine when going into a heat/traction session, and literally mid-session developed the condition; I may have been pulling too hard.

That being said, I was under the impression that traction is mainly for Peyronies and not so much to help hard flaccid. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this! Thanks for all the advice over the past two years, you’re a great guy.

On the topic of carbs and sugar spikes on refeeds, I just read the research, thanks for pointing that out. I literally just refed last night from a 72 hour water fast with a sandwich and French fries lol, so will be more careful in the future! For those interested, you can read it here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.medicalnewstoday.com/amp/articles/324894.php
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #208 on: Yesterday at 03:31:04 PM »

A small anecdote that explains why I fast for hard flaccid: after completing my longest dry fast (9 days) I refed on,  I believe, a Thursday. That next morning (Friday) I awoke in the middle of the night with a huge nighttime erection, on the verge of ejaculating because the head of my penis was extremely sensitive to touch (in a good way) and as my erection rubbed up against my sheets it felt so good I almost came. This hadn't happened in so long I forgot what it felt like to have sensitivity and bloodflow in the head of my penis. I've also experienced this to a lesser degree with water fasting. That is why I'm attempting to tap into this vein of healing called fasting, and experimenting as much as I can; there is definitely something to it, for it to have given me those results.

Another thing I've figured out regarding hard flaccid, and this is potentially a huge breakthrough. Usually when I ejaculate it tightens my muscles up and makes it worse, but occasionally it will actually make me feel good and loosen me up. I've been trying to identify markers in my body that help guide my decision on when it is good to ejaculate and when it is not. I've discovered that when my balls hang low and loose I get relieving orgasms. When they don't hang low, tingle, or feel tight, it is a bad time to ejaculate. I've only just discovered this, so next time my balls hang low (lol) I'm going to test it by ejaculating and return with my results. Hopefully I'm onto something here. If I can have consecutive positive ejaculations, I feel I'll be quickly on my way to healing this condition. Especially when combined with fasting, therawand, reverse kegels, stretches, abstinence, all that good stuff.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #209 on: Yesterday at 05:40:53 PM »

My apologies if you've answered this somewhere else but did you have any curvature that the fasting corrected?
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #210 on: Yesterday at 05:45:34 PM »

or any pain related gains ?
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #211 on: Yesterday at 06:34:45 PM »

One individual reported indentation decreased w fasting, but no reports of improvement in the curvature.  As all anti-inflammatory treatments it’s crucial they are in addition to manual therapy, oral meds and or Xiaflex.
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« Reply #212 on: Yesterday at 10:51:36 PM »

Several individuals including myself and skunkworks have had major improvements in indentations (mine are filled in). I don’t have much curvature (maybe 10 degrees) but it hasn’t changed at all since fasting. PAIN, however, has been my biggest gain. My pain decreased by about 90% since I began fasting. In my opinion, that is what fasting is best for:dcreasing pain/inflammation. Each time I completed an extended fast there was a noticeable difference.

In other news (and I know this has nothing to do with peyronies or fasting but figured I’d post it anyway), I just tested my theory on ejaculation and hard flaccid. I waited until I felt relatively loose, my balls were hanging low, no numbness or tingling, no muscle spasm, and I purposely masturbated to completion. Once again, the orgasm successfully loosened my muscles a bit as opposed to tightening them. I’m going to start another water fast Sunday night, hopefully go until Friday morning while abstaining, then next Saturday I’ll test another orgasm, this time with a woman, to further confirm my theory of ejaculation and hard flaccid. I’ve been abstaining for weeks and months at a time since around this time last year, so if I can freely ejaculate as I please with this method it will be an amazing improvement for me in quality of life; I HATE abstaining.

I have unlimited fight in me, so I will literally be battling hard flaccid for as long as it takes (years if necessary) until I defeat it, while updating you guys along the way. Once my hard flaccid is resolved I’ll be able to incorporate VED and stretching comfortable into my routine, to finish treating my peyronies. The hard flaccid exaggerates penile deformities, so I’m looking forward to getting a better, more accurate assessment of my peyronies scarring once I’m healed from it.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #213 on: Today at 09:20:59 AM »

I'm not knocking here, if things work for you, more power to you.

But for me, not eating for 9 days seems like an extreme length to go to to resolve a minor dent or a little pain. If it resolved curvature or shrunk plaque or something, o.k. Otherwise why make yourself extremely uncomfortable?
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