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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #200 on: January 21, 2020, 10:22:23 PM »

Any comments/ideas ?
Yeah, eat very healthy once you break the fast. Load up on vitamins, especially C all day everyday. 
Fasting besides intermediate shouldn't be done too often. I guess you get some bad stuff flushed out.(which shouldn't be put in again).
Great program otherwise with the stretching etc. keep improving.
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« Reply #201 on: January 24, 2020, 04:59:01 PM »

End of day 4 (out of 5)
-Water Fast
-Added some sea salt on day 2 because was getting arhythmia (irregular heartbeats, sign of lack of magnesium, has stopped since taking the salt)
-usual routine - most supplements (=hyperthermia, mild P stretching, light exercise, pelvic muscles streching)
-kept taking L-carnitine though
-no masturbation or sex

Peyronie's-wise
-Plaque: cannot really say if there is any difference
-Pain: I have had absolutely no pain apart from once in the 1st day, but absolutely nothing since then
-Penile function: NO spontaneous erections (same as before starting the fast), could achieve a voluntary one with a lot of effort (in order to examine the curvature)
-Curvature: did NOT get worse, I think it got better! flaccid looks the same as on 'healthy' days. erect looks slightly less curved.
-Bloodflow: it seems the bloodflow has improved, Mr P. hangs more fully than usual (even if skipping one or two hyperthermia sessions which happened today) even though it's really cold here. I think we can still attribute this to the hyperthermia (been doing it daily for 2 weeks)

Recap
Day 1 was fine just like any other day
Day 2 was hard, low energy, strained, went to a yoga class = loads of stretching
Day 3 was harder, but went for a light workout at the gym + sauna
Day 4 is better but still I'm not up to much, have been having deficient focus and memory since day 2
Day 5 SHOULD get better as I should be fully adapted into ketosis

Evaluation
Improvements made since beginning the fast (cannot for sure be attributed to the fast): Curvature has slightly improved to the eye (like it would look on a very good day), and I have had absolutely no pain (none at all since day 2) and barely any discomfort (could almost say NO discomfort, seeing how much it has decreased)


Update tomorrow or the day after.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #202 on: January 25, 2020, 09:24:44 AM »

Thank you for the updates, youngster!
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #203 on: January 27, 2020, 05:21:03 AM »

Overall after 5 days, it seems there has been no improvement. I will give it another shot in a couple months, for a longer time (and start/end with a dry fast)
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« Reply #204 on: February 10, 2020, 08:56:32 PM »

Just wanted to say I’m back to water fasting. The goal is to fully abstain from ALL sexual activity for the duration of the fast and a day or two afterwards, in order to loosen tight muscles in my pelvic floor that give me hard flaccid. I plan on “freestyle” fasting for the next few months, and will likely be completing water fasts ranging from 2-20 days in this duration. I always refeed half as many days as I water fast. I will update on the state of my hard flaccid as time goes by. I believe if I can stack the minor gains I’ve gotten from fasting in the past regarding my hard flaccid, while living a STRICT lifestyle conducive to not making it worse, I should be able to slowly cure myself. We’ll see! Abstinence from edging and orgasm will be key.
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« Reply #205 on: February 12, 2020, 12:43:50 AM »

I thought I'd add that this was where I originally got the inspiration to water fast my hard flaccid away, over a year ago: https://www.pegym.com/forums/penile-anomalies-injuries-pelvic-floor-issues/54162-hard-flaccid-recovery.html

To be honest, my biggest downfall when it comes to hard flaccid is abstaining. I find it extremely, extremely hard to do. Not even porn or masturbation, but not having sex with the many women available to me, and not touching myself when they message me or send me pictures. It is F^@$!ng excruciating to abstain from sex at my age and purposely cancel out my sex drive. Fasting does help because it lowers the sex drive greatly, but mine is so naturally high that I still have trouble. That being said, the only serious improvements I've had (that weren't long and drawn out over time) came upon completion of long fasts while FULLY abstaining and allowing the muscles to relax.

I'll update on my situation as I go.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #206 on: February 12, 2020, 08:08:35 AM »

JS, add traction to abstinence plus fasting and you will see massive improvements. Remember that 25% of men using traction experience pain or discomfort afterward. For me, sex does not bother my penis anymore at all compared to masturbation. I say sex is fine as long as your diet is good (low carb high fat). Fasting alone is NOT good enough. Breaking your fast with carbs causes devastating effects on your blood vessels and research supports this. Eat low carb for life and fast.

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« Reply #207 on: February 13, 2020, 04:54:54 PM »

Neo, Concerning traction, well, I began traction when I first got Peyronies, which was the month  you started your YouTube channel. I did not have hard flaccid at the time, but I ended up getting it about a month later. After getting hard flaccid it became difficult to apply traction, and it would even make my hard flaccid worse. I did manual traction for months afterwards but decided to stop and wait until my hard flaccid went away. Part of me thinks traction might have caused it, since it seems to be one of the leading causes along with excessive masturbation. Plus, I was perfectly fine when going into a heat/traction session, and literally mid-session developed the condition; I may have been pulling too hard.

That being said, I was under the impression that traction is mainly for Peyronies and not so much to help hard flaccid. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this! Thanks for all the advice over the past two years, you’re a great guy.

On the topic of carbs and sugar spikes on refeeds, I just read the research, thanks for pointing that out. I literally just refed last night from a 72 hour water fast with a sandwich and French fries lol, so will be more careful in the future! For those interested, you can read it here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.medicalnewstoday.com/amp/articles/324894.php
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« Reply #208 on: February 15, 2020, 03:31:04 PM »

A small anecdote that explains why I fast for hard flaccid: after completing my longest dry fast (9 days) I refed on,  I believe, a Thursday. That next morning (Friday) I awoke in the middle of the night with a huge nighttime erection, on the verge of ejaculating because the head of my penis was extremely sensitive to touch (in a good way) and as my erection rubbed up against my sheets it felt so good I almost came. This hadn't happened in so long I forgot what it felt like to have sensitivity and bloodflow in the head of my penis. I've also experienced this to a lesser degree with water fasting. That is why I'm attempting to tap into this vein of healing called fasting, and experimenting as much as I can; there is definitely something to it, for it to have given me those results.

Another thing I've figured out regarding hard flaccid, and this is potentially a huge breakthrough. Usually when I ejaculate it tightens my muscles up and makes it worse, but occasionally it will actually make me feel good and loosen me up. I've been trying to identify markers in my body that help guide my decision on when it is good to ejaculate and when it is not. I've discovered that when my balls hang low and loose I get relieving orgasms. When they don't hang low, tingle, or feel tight, it is a bad time to ejaculate. I've only just discovered this, so next time my balls hang low (lol) I'm going to test it by ejaculating and return with my results. Hopefully I'm onto something here. If I can have consecutive positive ejaculations, I feel I'll be quickly on my way to healing this condition. Especially when combined with fasting, therawand, reverse kegels, stretches, abstinence, all that good stuff.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #209 on: February 15, 2020, 05:40:53 PM »

My apologies if you've answered this somewhere else but did you have any curvature that the fasting corrected?
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« Reply #210 on: February 15, 2020, 05:45:34 PM »

or any pain related gains ?
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« Reply #211 on: February 15, 2020, 06:34:45 PM »

One individual reported indentation decreased w fasting, but no reports of improvement in the curvature.  As all anti-inflammatory treatments it’s crucial they are in addition to manual therapy, oral meds and or Xiaflex.
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« Reply #212 on: February 15, 2020, 10:51:36 PM »

Several individuals including myself and skunkworks have had major improvements in indentations (mine are filled in). I don’t have much curvature (maybe 10 degrees) but it hasn’t changed at all since fasting. PAIN, however, has been my biggest gain. My pain decreased by about 90% since I began fasting. In my opinion, that is what fasting is best for:dcreasing pain/inflammation. Each time I completed an extended fast there was a noticeable difference.

In other news (and I know this has nothing to do with peyronies or fasting but figured I’d post it anyway), I just tested my theory on ejaculation and hard flaccid. I waited until I felt relatively loose, my balls were hanging low, no numbness or tingling, no muscle spasm, and I purposely masturbated to completion. Once again, the orgasm successfully loosened my muscles a bit as opposed to tightening them. I’m going to start another water fast Sunday night, hopefully go until Friday morning while abstaining, then next Saturday I’ll test another orgasm, this time with a woman, to further confirm my theory of ejaculation and hard flaccid. I’ve been abstaining for weeks and months at a time since around this time last year, so if I can freely ejaculate as I please with this method it will be an amazing improvement for me in quality of life; I HATE abstaining.

I have unlimited fight in me, so I will literally be battling hard flaccid for as long as it takes (years if necessary) until I defeat it, while updating you guys along the way. Once my hard flaccid is resolved I’ll be able to incorporate VED and stretching comfortable into my routine, to finish treating my peyronies. The hard flaccid exaggerates penile deformities, so I’m looking forward to getting a better, more accurate assessment of my peyronies scarring once I’m healed from it.
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« Reply #213 on: February 16, 2020, 09:20:59 AM »

I'm not knocking here, if things work for you, more power to you.

But for me, not eating for 9 days seems like an extreme length to go to to resolve a minor dent or a little pain. If it resolved curvature or shrunk plaque or something, o.k. Otherwise why make yourself extremely uncomfortable?
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« Reply #214 on: February 16, 2020, 11:51:08 PM »

Samsung, It was mainly for the hard flaccid which was driving me nuts. I’m a bit extreme in everything I do; I was experimenting. I got the result I was looking for and I haven’t gone that long since. On top of that, I will say that, although dry fasting can be difficult, water fasting for 9 days is actually extremely easy.

Also happy to report (and I’m probably just going to make a separate thread for this specific topic) but I’ve managed to orgasm for the third day in a row with zero I’ll effect. My technique of waiting for my balls to hang low and loose before ejaculation has worked perfectly. This is the first time in two years (since I developed hard flaccid syndrome) that I’ve came three days in a row. I am absolutely thrilled about this breakthrough in understanding the condition. Hopefully someone can benefit from this info as well. That’s why I share my experiments.
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« Reply #215 on: February 17, 2020, 05:13:26 AM »

 i remember when i fasted hard flaccid was gone
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« Reply #216 on: February 17, 2020, 09:05:22 AM »

For me too, but I had this weird occurence where it would come back with a vengeance on the third day then be better than ever on the fourth and further.

No idea why, but if it gets worse for some on the third day, keep going.

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« Reply #217 on: February 17, 2020, 05:40:54 PM »

For those exact reasons I feel like a super long water fast of 14 days or more may just fully release it. I don’t know but I have nothing to lose and it’s worth trying. At the least, it should provide some permanent relief as long as one doesn’t retard the healing process by edging or otherwise ejaculating mid-fast and for a day or two afterwards.


I also just came, symptom/setback-free, for the 4th day in a row using my “low hanging balls” method lol. I don’t know how I should proceed from here; do I just keep jerking off all week and see how loose I can get? Do I abstain and fast for a few days then cum on Saturday when I meet with a girl I know? Not sure but I’ll keep everyone updated lol. I am definitely hanging looser than I was 4 days ago so this is a pretty big breakthrough for me. Very happy.

Edit: I just ejaculated for the second time today with no bad side effects. I’m going to jump into a water fast (starting now) and end it Friday while fully abstaining. The bad effects of edging seem to be reset by a “positive” orgasm, in that muscles are no longer as sore. Saturday I see a girl I know, so hopefully my currently loosened state plus a 4 day water fast while fully abstaining will give me a very loose pelvic floor. For anyone reading this, remember the trick: make sure your muscles aren’t spasming, your balls are hanging low and loose, your penis is as loose as it’s going to get, no tingling in your balls, nothing like that. Feel your balls as you masturbate and make sure they don’t tighten up; it might fluctuate. If my balls tightened up I would just assume “happy baby” pose and do some deep belly breathing with reverse kegels and it they would loosen back up again. Lying down in a comfortable position, possible with your feet propped up and resting on something helps as well. Right before you cum, check your balls. If they feel super loose, orgasm quickly. As you cum, let the natural contractions and kegels come and pass. Don’t force anything, be gentle. Relax for a few seconds and keep your mental state positive; panicking for any reason at this moment (like thinking you did it wrong) will tighten you up. After the involuntary kegels subside and you’ve rested for a good 30 seconds, go back into happy baby pose, let your pelvic floor loosen up, and do some reverse kegels with belly breathing. This just helps keep things loose. From here you should be good. There seems to be a short refractory period after orgasm where your penis will be slightly tight. This is fine, your muscles are just tender. Overall, your pelvic floor should feel pretty loose and your balls should still hang. Your balls are the key: check them for looseness throughout if you want to assure yourself you’ve done it correctly. And that’s it, enjoy the ability to ejaculate again, care-free!

Hopefully mixing this with other treatments will give total release over time. I’m going to go in internally and release any trigger points I have tomorrow morning with my therawand (I’m almost about as skilled as one can get at using it), for example. I’d love to have one of you with hard flaccid try this and tell me how it goes. Regardless, I really hope this helps someone.
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« Reply #218 on: February 18, 2020, 03:23:35 AM »

Has anyone had results in terms of indents filling in with scars older than brand new? I got my Peyronies about 2 years ago now, coming up. I have many scars, unfortunately, about 5 shallow dents. Luckily, none of them are huge per se, they're just "big" to me, because I also have hard flaccid, which increases their visibility when flaccid. I'm worried that it's too late to fast. I waited a while because I was hoping that Peyronies would blow over/stop, and that perhaps I had a little bit of late growth to go (I had read that some guys keep growing up until 30). I know that fasting can stunt growth, so I wanted to avoid doing any regular or extreme fasting until I was closer to 30.

For the last five months I'd been symptom free, so I figured maybe I was out of the woods. Then I went through a terrible breakup and miserably masturbated one too many times in a row. Got stinging pain, just like every other Peyronies scar. Immediately fasted for three days, and then I've been keeping it low on carbs for the past two weeks. I've also stopped masturbating. All the same, it looks like one of my existing dents underneath the head deepened.

I'm freaking out, because I don't have much to show off to begin with. My penis looks so ravaged and dented. I'm starting to worry I've gotten to the point where I've lost enough girth across all the dents that my penis is, for practical purposes, significantly smaller than before. Is there any hope with my original scars, assuming I start fasting now? Can I see results? I know that JS1991 had big results, but he also started fasting within the first year IIRC.
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« Reply #219 on: February 18, 2020, 12:21:18 PM »

If you’re worried your condition is worsening, I’d start multiple treatment strategies: anti-inflammatory such as low carb w intermittent fasting, low dose nightly PDE5i, and manual therapy such as VED or traction.  One modality on its own is rarely successful.
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« Reply #220 on: February 18, 2020, 03:34:39 PM »

Concernedandworried, a few things. First of all, if you have hard flaccid you need to realize that it is GREATLY exaggerating your penile deformities, especially in the girth department, and once released will be much closer to what you used to be than you would believe. It is the main cause of your penis looking “ravaged and dented”. Just remember that although peyronies scarring is the root of the issue, it is being greatly exaggerated by the hard flaccid.

Next, I know guys can get insecure about their penis size. How old are you? I personally think not fasting until 30 because you think it’s going to grow more and are afraid of “stunting growth” is retarded (no offense) but do what you think is right for you. I’m 28 by the way.

I started fasting in December 2018; I developed peyronies January 2018. So 11 months in. And continued fasting on and off ever since. I don’t think it’s too late, no. And freaking out about it is only going to give you worse hard flaccid so relax your mind. Step 1 for you should be ridding yourself of hard flaccid. Step 2, other treatments. At least, that’s my two cents.

Also wanted to mention that smoking weed tightens the crap out of my pelvic floor and I don’t think it’s conducive to loosening the muscles.

I believe I’ve identified a case of a man being relieved of his hard flaccid, and only being left with the remaining, underlying Peyronie’s disease. It is this post here: https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,7281.0.html if you scroll down to “what happened” (ignore the rest) and read it, I honestly believe that (whether he realizes it or not) the man recorded his account of a spontaneous resolution of his hard flaccid syndrome. I’ve read similar stories on other forums. Let me know what you guys think. Personally, this is what I expect to experience once my stubborn hard flaccid is gone. And then afterwards with physical therapies I expect a full recovery from peyronies. I’m extremely optimistic, to be honest; I feel like I have it all figured out it is just extremely stubborn and hard work to do.
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« Reply #221 on: February 18, 2020, 04:05:49 PM »

I had constant hard flaccid for 1,5-2 months straight after on set, one day it was gone; so yeah, in my case it was definitely spontaneous improvement.
Personally, I’m stuck with a curve and some narrowing. Feels like it’s fixable tho.
Could anyone explain what a dent is? I’ve never understood that word...
Lastly, I can’t say I share your opinion on weed, JS1991; but however, the thing about the balls hanging low is definitely accurate, because I feel that too.
Nowadays, sometimes my balls feels like they’re gonna go back in my body lol, not sure why tho; could it be because of tight pelvic floor, perhaps? Hmmm, really unclear this sh*t.
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« Reply #222 on: March 23, 2020, 07:38:52 AM »

This hadn't happened in so long I forgot what it felt like to have sensitivity and bloodflow in the head of my penis.

This is exactly how I feel after several days of fasting or simply ultra therapeutic keto or OMAD. I could not believe how my sensitivity, erections, and ejaculation were. Blood sugar and metabolic issues are so critical to penile health it's shocking, and quite saddening.

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« Reply #223 on: March 23, 2020, 03:00:06 PM »

Is it the fasting which does the good or is the avoidance of foods? Get what I mean by that?
 

What happens if you only eat apples instead of fasting or vegan or a carnivore diet? (depending on what works for you)
It's known that certain foods/diets can increase inflammatory responses that are surely not good for Peyronies Disease.
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« Reply #224 on: March 23, 2020, 07:57:08 PM »

Restricted calories. Low carb, intermittent fasting, low protein can all be anti inflammatory.
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« Reply #225 on: March 25, 2020, 04:27:43 AM »

Melting, it's glucose by FAR. Yes, fasting is a level up from therapeutic keto, but fruit is not a good idea.

Also as TonySa said, even protein can spike blood sugar and insulin to a degree, however, the insulin LOWERS and so does your blood sugar much faster than if you ate bread due to how glucagon works. I say fast with therapeutic keto carnivore or plant based is fine. In the case of plant based, supplement properly since a vegan diet can be quite dangerous.

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« Reply #226 on: March 25, 2020, 07:48:02 PM »

Neo, do you have any evidence that vegan can be “dangerous”?
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #227 on: March 25, 2020, 08:21:06 PM »

Try getting all your nutrients in while eating vegan. It's nearly impossible to do unless you take a lot of supplements.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #228 on: March 25, 2020, 11:28:06 PM »

I know you believe that, but where’s the evidence? 

Medical support that it’s healthy and can even treat diseases and lower need for medications:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #229 on: March 26, 2020, 09:40:50 AM »

I know you believe that, but where’s the evidence? 

Medical support that it’s healthy and can even treat diseases and lower need for medications:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

Neo, do you have any evidence that vegan can be “dangerous”?

At the most basic level, veganism is unsustainable without supplementation.

Supplements themselves are rarely independantly verified chemically to actually contain what they claim to contain.

But beyond that, supplements are created based on epidemiological studies and they are inherently flawed. Beta carotene is a good example, diets high in beta carotene from food reduced cancer risk in smokers. But supplemented beta carotene increased cancer risk in smokers...

Something similar happened with lycopene. It was theorised that because increased tomato consumption correlated with a decrease in the incidence and severity of prostate cancer, that lycopene would be good for prostate cancer. Studies with supplementation did not support this conclusion.

Then there is the fact that no native human population has ever been vegan.

And the fact that a vegan diet is devoid in EPA and DHA, and having low levels of those increases depression, IQ and visual acuity in adults, and actually causes irreversible damage to brain and eye function in infants. Conversion from ALA is both miniscule and hugely variable between individuals, relying on conversion is inherently idiotic.

Then the study which showed that creatine increased IQ in vegans but not in omnivores. Creatine, a chemical which we know is important for brain function. Pretty easy to see that it was bringing them back to baseline rather than actually improving.

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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #230 on: March 26, 2020, 02:05:07 PM »

I think what many miss is that it differs between people.   
If you put an eskimo that eats a meat based diet since 20+ generations on vegan it might not work. 

I find there's a logic in that if you use a diet that isn't fitting to your dna/body it will react badly to it which then leads to inflammation.   

Many people can't consume dairy cause it was never part of their ancestors diet. If they do consume dairy it will result in inflammatory responses.
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