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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #150 on: May 28, 2019, 11:09:07 AM »

Personally I think the only relevant criteria is days without calories, re fasting.

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« Reply #151 on: May 29, 2019, 02:54:41 AM »

@Christopher1: skin tags fall off?

I recently notices that two flat moles i have had since forever have faded or actually disappeared. Could it be because of the fasting? I actually loved those two moles, though :(

I wish some photodamage (can't remember the proper name for it, but it looks like freckles) I got on my shoulders would also disappear...
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« Reply #152 on: May 29, 2019, 02:55:41 AM »

BTW, from Wikipedia, Angus Barbieri died at the young age of 51. Not very encouraging.
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« Reply #153 on: May 29, 2019, 07:52:49 PM »

N=1...

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« Reply #154 on: May 30, 2019, 05:41:34 PM »

Yes - I had 3 moles disappear. Takes a lot of time though. Also a couple of small liver spots.
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« Reply #155 on: June 08, 2019, 03:32:20 AM »

Hello guys,

Sorry I've been totally away from the forum for professionnal and familial reasons!

Just a little update here before a big post about all this I'm going to make in the next weeks: I'm on day 2 of a 4 days dry fast (+ 1 snake juice day before), and will update the results. So far, and contrary to my previous snake juice fast, I litterally feel like crap XD. And yet I consider to be at least a semi-experienced faster (IF everyday for years, multiple 2-3 days water fasts, one 36h dry fast, one 10 days water fast)... But right now I really feel like a bag full of dead things, and don't know if I'll even be able to go out do the few stuff I have to do today (going to the post office, etc.). Christopher, man, do you consider this physical/mental immense weakness to be normal and not alarming?? (PS: guys, that said, I've spent dozens of hours of research on dry fast, so I know what I'm doing as possible as it is and won't push too far if I really don't feel it).

@Snaffu: I was totally delighted to read your results man, big congratulations to you. Hopefully you can put on some fat and renew the experiment towards a full healing. I wish so!

@iamnotiam: It's also very cool to see that you got some improvements via fasting. This accumulation of anecdotes is important to us, so we can encourage other folks to try this and report their improvements or lack thereof. Personnally, I would totally say that there is a link, yet mysterious, with Peyronies Disease and CPPS (like I've ended up believing that there is a link with Peyronies Disease and every weird symptoms in your body, especially in the pelvic/gastric area). I too am still struggling with CPPS, although I cured a great lot of it with cutting off coffee, masturbation and carbs (keto diet/IF). I highly suspect a muscular component, which would also explain why you can't ejaculate in the morning (smooth muscle around the bladder/prostate that does not contract/retract properly, especially after sleep time). I think Dr Berg has a few videos on that on Youtube; check "Berg bladder" or "berg prostate".

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PS: Did someone had any news from JS??? I haven't heard of him since centuries, and he doesn't answer to PM; I hope he's ok!!

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« Reply #156 on: June 08, 2019, 06:51:45 PM »

You need to build your way up to it. Start with 1 day.

You are not keto adapted.
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« Reply #157 on: June 09, 2019, 02:55:27 AM »

Hey Christopher,

Haha yes I'm on keto since january, so I'm totally keto-adapted!

What I think explains I struggle so much compared to what it should be with regard to my experience, is that on day 1 (snake juice) and overall day 2 (dry), I did make a LOT of work, both physicial and intellectual, along very long days. It felt totally good on these days, but I think it prematurely crashed my level of electrolytes, whereas I should have gently stayed at home at least from the first dry day.

I thought last night would help a bit recover a little bodily function, but... no, I still feel like crap lol, not worse than yesterday though. I'm a little disappointed because I have not experienced the strange/cool symptoms I had from day  7 of my water fast, when I felt like tingling in my dick and saw my inflammation and pain totally plummet soon after. Maybe that will come today or tonight...

Anyway I plan on re-hydrating tomorrow morning and refeeding the day after tomorrow, which will make 3,5 days of dry fasting + 2 days of water/electrolytes fast. I would like to continue water fasting for more days, but I really can't with work and its social aspects I have to endure in the next weeks. I'll make you guys an update in a specific topic!

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« Reply #158 on: June 09, 2019, 02:13:31 PM »

I'd say listen to your body and adjust the fast to both how you feel and your lifestyle.

If your body cannot tolerate more days of fasting, then cut the fast. If a social or work function requires you to eat, just go with it. Don't make it so hard on yourself. Just play with it. I find myself switching back and forth from Snake Juice fasts to dry fasts and just doing what feels right. I like to challenge myself, but not to extremes.

At one point I was doing dry fasts with daily saunas. It felt pretty good, but for whatever reason on day 3 I could not go to sleep at night. No fatigue at all. It bothered me, so I rehydrated and ate. Slept well after. Don't do anything stupid and use common sense.
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« Reply #159 on: June 09, 2019, 02:24:40 PM »

Hey Christopher,

Thanks for your advice: I totally agree with you, and think the same. I do tend to want to stick to my fasting plan no matter what, because it's been exactly two years since this pain/shrinking curse began, without any treatment really working whatsoever, apart from this 10 day water fast which temporarily erased my pain, and I desperately want to stop this crap ASAP... But you're right, and I told myself the same thing: I'm going to re-hydrate tomorrow morning and not wait 1 more day.

Fun fact I will develop in my future dry fast thread: taking long and cold showers help A GREAT LOT, like it litterally brings you back from the deads for 1-2 hours... I thought this "your body becomes a sponge on dry fast" was BS, but it does seem to be that way (like when I get out, I'm dry in two swift movements of towel, instead of having to rub myself as usual!).

Anyway, I'll keep you up to date guys.

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« Reply #160 on: June 09, 2019, 02:32:58 PM »

Yeah - so there are people that advocate avoiding all water contact, including brushing your teeth and showers etc.

I cannot do that with my job. Cannot really comment on that. I did do the dry fasts with the saunas. Not sure if it really did anything. Most of the best benefits I experienced - personally - have been from the longest fasts (whether they are with Snake Juice or dry).
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« Reply #161 on: July 03, 2019, 01:50:39 PM »

Did 2 fasts now with a few weeks in between. Both only 48 hours. First one I did 24 hour dry, 24 hours water only. This seemed to work okay (if I remember correctly) with some ups and downs in energy. I just stopped it because I thought it was long for the first try. The one I finished now, I used snake juice for 48 hours. Somehow I was constantly hungry, also couldn’t sleep well and had muscle spasms. My body did not like it generally. But food felt so good afterwards lol. I assume its normal, but Im not sure if snake juice was really helping compared to plain water.

Will report peyronies changes if any soon.
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« Reply #162 on: July 04, 2019, 05:21:11 AM »

From my experience, the more spasms and struggles you have with fasting or keto, the more you NEED to do it. That just shows how dependent your body was on glucose.
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« Reply #163 on: July 04, 2019, 06:53:59 AM »

Probably true, have been eating more rice lately. Also maybe another mistake, I worked out earlier on the day I started fasting. I guess it made my body crave food even more.
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« Reply #164 on: July 04, 2019, 10:54:00 AM »

I actually sort of agree with NeoV on his last statement.

In the hospital we see something called diabetic ketoacidosis. Most physicians really worry about the anion gap that is created by the ketoacidosis. I don't at all. By putting diabetics on insulin drips, the anion gap closes and the ketoacidosis disappears. But inherently ketoacidosis isn't all that dangerous. The body can do quite well in an acidic environment as the kidneys adapt. Also - ketones can be therapeutic and have been correlated with fewer seizures in epileptics.

In diabetics, however, who are so incredibly insulin resistant, the burden of ketones makes the diabetic feel incredibly sick. Of course, the state of glucose toxicity and dehydration adds to this. But the real problem in DKA is the glucose toxicity, dehydration, and the decrease in total body potassium (which can kill you). Not the ketoacidosis, in my opinion.

Anyway - rant over. Point is - ketones can make you feel crappy  if you aren't used to them. Like in the case of poorly controlled diabetes.
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« Reply #165 on: July 04, 2019, 11:09:10 AM »

Well, nutritional ketosis is very healthy and normal, ketoacidosis is very bad.
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« Reply #166 on: July 09, 2019, 01:01:42 PM »

Has anyone tried fasting to the degree of JS1991? It seems he's MIA, like everyone else who finds a therapy that works.

I'm at 1 year, four months now and I'm wondering if it's even worth bothering. I'd like to have some of my scars shrink like his did. I have a couple dents that are affecting my girth.
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« Reply #167 on: July 09, 2019, 06:13:31 PM »

@Christopher & NeoV - Thanks for the input, will think about it next time.
My stomach has been acting up after my re-feed, for the next time it probably makes sense to first eat very low-carb and increase fasting time over time and a better re-feed strategy. I think it is also possible I react badly to the stuff that goes into snake juice, not sure.

@ConcernedandWorried - I cannot answer your question, but I believe that if people would completely solve their issue, they would come back and say something about it. It is possible that it helps, but dry fasting for multiple days can be demand a lot from your organs.
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« Reply #168 on: July 09, 2019, 09:06:35 PM »

He did water fasting for 50 days on-and-off. Claimed it made one of his scars almost disappear.
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« Reply #169 on: July 09, 2019, 10:57:30 PM »

Has anyone tried fasting to the degree of JS1991?

Yes. Me - lol.
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« Reply #170 on: July 22, 2019, 05:07:10 AM »

Hey guys,

Yes Johnny, re-feeding is very, very tricky, even more than we are usually told! After a lot of experiments (I did around seven 48h snake juice fasts, five 72h, three 5 days and one 10 days + one 3,5 days dry), I found that even if you're full keto like me, you do NOT want to consume fat the first day, and even the second one.

What works best for me is bone broth/miso soup --> blended zucchini --> well-cooked veggies --> lean protein --> fatty protein --> regular keto diet. The whole process can take 1 to 3 days depending on how long your fast was. But it's the only way you won't feel like total crap after breaking it ^^!!
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« Reply #171 on: July 27, 2019, 06:25:23 AM »

Any improvements in Peyronies Disease after your fasting sessions?
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« Reply #172 on: August 01, 2019, 04:43:48 AM »

Nope, just a total but unfortunately temporary relief in pain/inflammation after my 10 days fast...
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« Reply #173 on: August 01, 2019, 08:00:31 AM »

For the record, my symptoms are less and curvature reduced after over two weeks OMAD (one meal a day meaning a daily 23 hour fast every day). This is coming off two years straight of regular keto, which DID help massively. But I am getting more results with daily fasting.

I think fasting with keto plus the physical therapies is truly miraculous when used together.
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« Reply #174 on: August 01, 2019, 09:59:42 AM »

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« Reply #175 on: September 06, 2019, 03:20:39 AM »

Hey guys,

Just so you know: day 5 of an intended 15 days water fast: total disappearing of the pain and inflammation this morning  ;D ;D ;D... The human body is an absolutely fantastic thing. I wouldn't have believed it if it wasn't the second time I experienced that!!! I don't get overenthusiastic though, because as you know I already felt this relief (2 times in 2+ years, that's little...) and then the pain came back in a few days when I refed. I'll see if, this time, a "very long" 15 days fast (though most anecdotal evidence seem to relate to 21-30 days fast for curing hard conditions) might be enough to definitely kill the inflammation and really get me out of the acute phase.

Will keep you up to date ;-),

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« Reply #176 on: September 07, 2019, 01:33:42 PM »

Although I do not myself suffer from Peyronies Disease, this excellent thread has prompted me to register and write a comment. I must say that I am impressed by the generally very high level of discussion, civility, intellectual curiosity and, above all, the positive spirit and indeed pesonal heroism that can be found in this forum. All this is in evidence here, despite the pain and loss of confidence which this nasty disease confronts those who suffer from it with. Thus, I count myself extremely fortunate to have come across this forum and especially this thread, in which nobel prize winning research has been referenced, discussed and put to the test in practice.

As a sufferer of Lichen Sclerosus, I am curious to see whether fasting may have a positive impact in the longer run on the progression of the disease that I was - at long last - diagnosed with about 1.5 years ago. As Peyronies Disease (please correct me if I am wrong), LS is officially deemed incurable at this point in time, the causes are "not yet fully understood"; those affected are recommended to apply cortisone locally or undergo circumcision. In recent years, a few doctors have started working with and offering PRP treatments. Like the skeptics in this forum, I do not understand what makes it so difficult for those who market such services to go and talk to their succesful cases and present a series of convincing "before & after" photos. As a matter of fact, I have yet to see such a collection of photos, and until this happens, I tend to remain doubtful of this approach, especially since relatively frequent repetition is required, and there are question marks IMHO about nerve damage and micro scarring, as well as the odds of having to deal with an infection over the course of many years of a hypothetical PRP treatment "career".

Intuitively, I am tempted to say that even if this partiuclar aspect of my health will not benefit from fasting, I have very little doubt that my system as a whole will greatly profit from the experience that I understand was an everyday occurrence during the lives of our ancestors thousands and indeed tens of thousands of years ago. Our body is hardwired to go through periods of food shortage and indeed, as the research seems to point out, it requires such periods to function optimally. Though this may of course be a pure coincidence, when looking at photos of male LS sufferers online, it struck me that most seemed to have a nice layer of fat around their wasteline or lower digestive tract. This is also the reality in my case, even though most people would say I am very slim and tall and have nothing to worry about. As a matter of fact, there is a stubborn fat depot in my stomach and bowel area that tends to grow very fast if I do not strictly control my appetite and which concerns me beyond purely cosmetical considerations. My LS developed over many years during which my waistline reached a historic maximum also due to work-related stress. Though I never came across as fat, those who knew me must have been well aware that I could have shed well in excess of five kilos at that time.

Fat and especially belly fat is known to promote inflammatory conditions in the system as a whole, and though I understand that men above 35 years of age tend to have a harder time getting rid of it, I am now becoming much more self-critical in this regard than ever. I have noticed that my mouth and my bowels are communicating different messages: The former can never get enough, especially of pasta, bread and sugar (all of which I have cut out of my diet since about one year), the latter, meanwhile, signals that it is full most of the time. While I do not quite understand what this means, I hope that fasting can help me get a better sense of these perceptions. Speaking of fat and inflammation, a couple of days ago, I came across several website that look into a phenomenon dubbed NICO (acronym) by certain dental specialists - a condition whereby the jawbone locally degenerates into a less solid and fatty mass, which those who subscribe to this theory say acts as a(n often silent) potentially far-reaching source of inflammation in the body. I am planning to look into this later this year and see whether I, too, am affected by this.

Finally, as someone who is trying to take a radical 360 degree perspective in regard to the matter in hand, I have zoomed in on the subject of electrosmog and wondered whether there could be a (common) connection to the illnesses which we are suffering from. Like in other autoimmune diseases, oxidative stress seems to play in the etiology of LS. Electrosmog, including high-frequency electromagnetic radiation below the thermal threshold, has been shown to cause (increased levels of) oxidative cell stress, mutagenic changes and programmed cell death, among many other things, including high blood pressure and behavioural changes. Research into this field and the effects of radar dates at least as far back as the early 1960s and has been commissioned by the US military, NASA and the Soviets, inter alia. The claim frequently made by the industry that the effects of (non-thermal) high frequency electromagnetic radiation are "not understood" and that more research is needed, looks increasingly fragile in light of the considerable and growing body of data and literature that suggests otherwise.
Microwave radiation emitted by mobile phones, cell phone masts, wi-fi has literally exploded over the last 25 years or so. In places where we would have received readings as low as 0.05 volt or less per meter, it is now not uncommon to get readings ten or even a hundred times higher. In select neighbourhoods where previously only the air traffic control radar used to be the sole source of constant microwave radiation there are now dozens of sources impacting each inhabitant 24/7. In "A New Era of Chronic Disease in America and what's behind it" (2017), Prof. Richard Lear outlines how the indicence of dozens and especially 1) inflammatory, 2) auto-immune, 3) metabolic and 4) neurological diseases has ratcheted up in the US between 1990 and 2015. Electrosmog is one of the factors he considers as a possible if not likely external cause, alongside dietary variables (corn fructose syrup) and pesticides. The systemic factor within the body seems to be rather uncontroversial according to Lear and can be traced to the presence of a molecule named peroxynitride, which "operates at the heart of more than forty fast-growing chronic diseases and conditions in the US. This fast-acting anion creates more than 130 biochemical disruptions in vivo...".

To cut a long story short, for obvious reasons, I have switched off my wi-fi at home in favour of a cable connection and I am trying to keep my mobile phone in flight mode as often as possible or, when this is not feasible, place it in a reasonably safe distance.

To conclude, I hope this post will not be deleted or otherwise sanctioned because of its speculative digression into a different field of interest of mine in the last paragraph or due to the fact that I am not affected by Peyronies Disease.
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« Reply #177 on: September 17, 2019, 09:30:05 AM »

Hey guys,

Questionmark, that was hell of a message. At first, I thought "oh, this is way to long and probably boring, I don't have time", but, actually, this is fascinating and I think you're 100% right. I have much, much to say; little time this week, so I'll answer later, but welcome among us man!

I just wanted to do a very quick update on my 15 day water (+sodium/potassium/magnesium salts) fast:
- In general: no problem whatsoever, could have gone much longer if I hadn't so many professional and logistical obligations, fasting is definitly safe and easy with a keto background and a little research (and I was already lean when starting, around 13% BF).

- Day 1-3: surprinsingly tired, weak and depressed, whereas I usually function in a total normal manner and feel great during these firsts days (already made plenty of 3-days and 5-days fasts); I even thought to abandon the project. I can't exactly and scientifically explain this physical and psychological distress; I suspect the cheese-binging at the end of the holidays the week before, which was the only time in 6+ months I authorized myself cheese, which I absolutely love but wreaks havoc on my metabolism. Lost 2,5 kgs (!!!).

- Days 4-5: almost immediately better, literaly overnight. Woke up the morning, was expecting to be almost dying then, but felt actually fine, clear, energized, eficient and ready to go. Lost around 600g in two days.

- Days 5-6: inflammation and pain disappeared 90%-95%, overnight too. I think it was on the day 5 morning. Did exactly as it did for my previous 10-days fast (see upper in this thread). Firsts normal-feeling, painless, naturel, F^@$!ng not unbearable erection in 2+ years except from my previous long fast. Began to lose approx. 200-300g/day

- Days 6 - 15: nothing to report, feeling perfectly fine 80% of the time, with some 20% little physical and psychological downs that would not last more than 2 hours and were easily resolved by laying down and close the eyes. No hunger at all, no food fantasy. Some very funny random sharp and cramping pains in my stomach/gut (a sensitive area for me from years), day or night, that would pass very quick and let my belly feeling like brand new. Also some random evacuation of semi-liquid small stools, with the same positive feeling after; hard to explain, but funny and kinda satisfying; feeling like something necessary and salutary is happening. Penis still totally pain and inflammation-free. Skin absolutely amazing, like I've never seen before, even with 5 days fast. It was like I was 23-24 again (I'm 32); my small wrinkles around the eyes almost disappeared, my tone was like a baby's, pores very tight, etc. etc.

--> On the little down side: quite poor sleep (but always had issues, it was just a little worth and I compensated with naps), terrible boredom (you're able to work on the computer 4-6 hours a day, but don't expect to work out, do long walks, have a drink with anyone, let alone a dinner^^, or do any kind of mental or physical demanding activity); no progress in deformation, no filling of the hourglass whatsoever.

--> I'm now on day 2 of refeeding (very clean keto), making it VERY cautiously and progressively (plain liquid easy veggies, then lean liquid protein like fish soup, then solids, then finally fats), in order to try to avoid the inflammation come-back I had after my last long fast from binging on inflammatory food I didn't know to be so (nuts!! F^@$!ng nuts!!!). Inflammation still down, but I do feel it's not like the core problem has been sold: I can still feel the scar tissue pulling at the center of my penis, ready to hurt. Wait and see!!

Cheers guys,

G
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- 31 yo, very healthy lifestyle, Peyronies Disease with Erectile Dysfunction, pain, distal hourglassing & length loss since 09/01/17, still acute.
- Treatments: all oral meds/supps discussed here; traction/VED; ointments (essential oils, diclofenac); PRP/HA injections (5/6 sessions)
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