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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #100 on: February 28, 2019, 10:03:15 PM »

Everyone should try the Snake Diet fasting routine, honestly.
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« Reply #101 on: March 12, 2019, 02:49:25 AM »

James, your doctor doesn't know what he's talking about regarding fasting. I started my fasting with a stomach ulcer and it healed completely; quite the opposite of your uninformed doctor. Not that he is uninformed in general, just regarding fasting!

Neo, that is amazing!

Christopher, Agreed, and thank you so much for putting me onto the Snake Diet!!

Tony, thanks!!


I'm wrapping up my final water fast and at this point am going to shift over to the dry fasting thread. Here is a final photo of my erect penis, which is now completely dent-free: https://m.imgur.com/a/Nh11AEs (you can go back to my older post in this thread to compare it to pre-fast and mid-fast).

Also, an amazing documentary I found on fasting, with doctors, studies, etc. contained within (water fasting): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1b08X-GvRs

Please, watch that documentary.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #102 on: March 12, 2019, 08:22:05 AM »

Why are you switching over to the dry fasting thread?

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« Reply #103 on: March 12, 2019, 05:59:57 PM »

Because at this point I feel comfortable enough with water fasting that I am going to stop doing it, and switch over to dry fasting weekly.
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« Reply #104 on: March 20, 2019, 01:03:34 PM »

You're welcome, brother. Keep at it.
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« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2019, 07:13:16 AM »

Because of this thread i started to do a waterfast with Snake juice as well. I am at the beginning stages of possible peyronies according to my urologist. I have a small dent on the left side and two small bb pallet like plagues on the upper side of my shaft.

I did a waterfast of only 72 jours and boy the results! My inflammation went down considerably. And one of my BB pallets is gone! The other one has reduced in size and feels softer if that makes Sense. No change in my dent yet. Right now im intermittant fasting on a keto diet. Recently I picked up pentox and it seems to help with my hard flaccid. I want to do another waterfasting soon and go for a longer periode. The only challenge i have is the pentox. Apparently you need tot take it after a meal to protect your stomach, but if i go fasting that is obviously not possible. Any tips regarding this to make sure i can keep using pentox while fasting? Or is this simply not possible? Anyway thank you guys for this thread! It had given me new hope to combat this.
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« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2019, 12:05:29 PM »

Try taking it on an empty stomach and see if it causes stomach upset.  If it does you could try taking it w an anti-acid med OTC to see if that works.  Keto and IF are great anti-inflammatories but I’d consider adding low dose daily PDE5i and traction or VED as well.  Be sure to read the survival guide: Peyronies Survival Guide - Information for New Members - Peyronies Society Forums
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« Reply #107 on: April 03, 2019, 05:08:10 PM »

Thank you for your reply. Today i tried the pentox on an empty stomach. No problems whatsoever. Gonna add, 2,5 mg of Cialis to my regimen. Hopefully it will help some as well. This sunday i Will begin my waterfast. I will keep you guys updated. Good luck to all of you.
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« Reply #108 on: April 05, 2019, 02:40:06 PM »

Hey guys,

Slowly creeping back up to the forum and reading all the posts I missed after 2-3 months of very intensive work and medical experimentations.

God I love this place. We're amazing.

JS, let me be clear once and for all, I'm the biggest fan of what you're doing, and how you're telling it. I've now been nearly 3 months on a strict keto diet, and I'm coming out right now of a 3 days snake juice fast. No solid results yet on Peyronies Disease (inflammation + difformity), but I'm preparing a huge post with an incredible bunk of supernatural overall health benefits. Please keep us updated as often as you can of your dry fasting progress; that's the next step for me too, after three or four more 3-10 days water fasts.

Cheers guys,

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« Reply #109 on: April 05, 2019, 03:26:42 PM »

Snaffu, will you also add traction or VED?
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« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2019, 06:11:13 AM »

Just to let you know guys: day 1 of a 7-10 snake juice water fast today. I have already been on keto for 3 months now, so I don't expect any transition phase; I just fear the 3-5 days "healing crisis" mark (which I just had time to hit when I did my 72 hours fast, and gosh that was'nt pleasant)...

The goal is 1) Decreasing/eliminating that F^@$!ng severe inflammation/pain I've been suffering from for 18+ months; 2) Stopping the progression of fibrosis (hourglass difformity, slowly but steadily getting worse); 3) Why not, getting rid of other old syndroms (low back pain, sensitive bowel, CPPS although already ~70% cured by keto).

I'll let you know what happens :-)!

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« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2019, 12:30:23 PM »

i just finished a 70 hour water fast,had intentions for dry fast today but after i drunk some water i ate an orange so next time for me .saw a small improvement in full erection this morning.i also want to add something i tried to gain weight a month ago but  fasting was harder this time(last time i was clean eating and just fasted way easier) so next time i will keep my normal diet and fast.
   gabriel hope for you the best
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« Reply #112 on: April 15, 2019, 09:33:44 PM »

I'm curious about the 3-5 days "healing crisis". When I last did a fast I stopped at 3 days because things went backwards, first day hungry but ok, second day hard flaccid completely gone everything felt pain free and loose, third day the same up until the evening when everything tightened up again, skin went blotchy, concentration went to crap.

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« Reply #113 on: April 16, 2019, 04:21:20 AM »

hunger after day 2 wasn't an issue i will refeed and try again the soonest ,  a member joao i think said he completely healed after seven days of water only last year
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« Reply #114 on: April 17, 2019, 08:30:07 PM »

Glad to see people trying their best. I did a dry-fast of 3 days followed by a water-fast of 18 days. So in total, 21-days. I did it in a clinic, in Santa Rosa, California. It did help with inflammation, especially with hard-flaccid. The penis would be hanging naturally all the time during and slowly after. No change though in peyronies whatsoever. No change in anything. Maybe it will work for others though. I will not do it again :) But I am sure any kind of diet that excludes meat is good for inflammation.
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« Reply #115 on: April 17, 2019, 10:39:46 PM »

That's funny because I am on quite literally an all meat diet and my markers of inflammation could not be better. Then when I fasted, I got actual results with regards to Peyronie's.

Then we have this, an actual interventional controlled trial for nutrition, rare but wonderful - https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/137/2/363/4664544

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« Reply #116 on: April 17, 2019, 10:46:22 PM »

Jaoa completely healed of what after fasting?
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« Reply #117 on: April 18, 2019, 04:57:06 AM »

That's funny because I am on quite literally an all meat diet and my markers of inflammation could not be better. Then when I fasted, I got actual results with regards to Peyronie's.

Then we have this, an actual interventional controlled trial for nutrition, rare but wonderful - https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/137/2/363/4664544

Yes, that is an important study. Although one needs to read it carefully: "In conclusion, the results of this study suggest that a modest increase in the intake of lean red meat in iron-replete individuals is unlikely to increase oxidative stress or inflammation. This conclusion is limited to the short term when lean red meat provided to participants partially replaces carbohydrate in the diet. Our results do not support the suggestion that higher red meat intake leads to increased risk of heart disease and type 2 diabetes via effects of iron to increase oxidative stress and inflammation."

This might suggest that replacing some carbs intake with lean red meat might actually be better for inflammation and for the short-term. Replacing is one thing, adding on top of your diet is a different thing. Doing it long-term, another thing. Plus, not too many people eat lean red meat or cook at home high-quality meat. I would be surprised to find the same results from processed meat. I would like to see this study in a long-term fashion as well.

Do you know of any newer study, since this one is from 2007?

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« Reply #119 on: April 18, 2019, 11:02:48 AM »

Do you know of any newer study, since this one is from 2007?

Thanks,

The date of the study matters exactly zero, the human body has not changed in that time.

Do you require the same level of evidence to support your opinions as you do to disprove them?

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« Reply #120 on: April 19, 2019, 01:47:25 AM »

skunkworks, your answer is stupid. I will not waste my time with you again. There is nothing in my response that disproves anything. Can anybody on this post tell me what did I say to disprove anything?

I asked you a question. Period. If you want to make this place your childish battlefield, or if your life is miserable, go to a psychologist. Give me the f... alone. And learn how to read.

And please, don't you ever mention me again. I am here to help others and be constructive. Not to tolerate your BS and your fanatism about stupid meat. And I am not the only one here who is tired of your BS.
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« Reply #121 on: April 19, 2019, 06:23:45 AM »

krazylord, you are usually a benevolent fellow, play the ball not the man, please  :)
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« Reply #122 on: April 19, 2019, 09:10:51 AM »

Krazylord I'm just going to ignore that whole post because I could have been more detailed in my response previously. I would advise getting your manners in check pretty damn quick though.

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Yes, that is an important study. Although one needs to read it carefully: "In conclusion, the results of this study suggest that a modest increase in the intake of lean red meat in iron-replete individuals is unlikely to increase oxidative stress or inflammation. This conclusion is limited to the short term when lean red meat provided to participants partially replaces carbohydrate in the diet. Our results do not support the suggestion that higher red meat intake leads to increased risk of heart disease and type 2 diabetes via effects of iron to increase oxidative stress and inflammation."

Reading it carefully is exactly what I did, I can send you the full text pdf if you would like. The quote you posted from the conclusion does not present any different information than the abstract.

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I would like to see this study in a long-term fashion as well.

You are asking for a longer term study of what is already a long interventional study on nutrition, that is not a reasonable request. The same is true for wanting a more recent study, I hear that request a lot, but in this case it's ludicrous. 2007 is not an old study.

I said "Do you require the same level of evidence to support your opinions as you do to disprove them?" because this is something I see all the time. When studies are presented that do not support a person's supposition, the response from them is all too often 'i want a bigger/longer/newer' study. And my question is, would you ask for the same if the study supported your supposition?

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« Reply #123 on: April 19, 2019, 11:11:31 AM »

  guys  we are not enemies here , were here because of a common enemy Peyronies Disease
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« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2019, 06:48:03 PM »

Thanks for the link whyisthishappening, but I don’t see him explaining what he means his peyronies was cured.  Fir example curve went from 40 to 5 degrees...but maybe I’m missing it.
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« Reply #125 on: April 21, 2019, 05:05:40 AM »

OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU*CK

GUYS GUYS GUYS

OK I'm so fu*king excited, I'm gonna cool down and try to write this post calmly :D

SO, here we are in my fasting journey:

D1-2: Relatively easy, already in ketosis so few and limited hunger pangs, just psychological need from food and some boredom.

D3-4: Quite hard actually, not feeling that well, beginning to have low blood pressure, sometimes harsh desire for food although more psychological and social than physical.

D5: Better regarding to food, but boredom and semi-weakness (low prolonged efforts are OK, but any "high" effort even for two seconds is out of question), and begin to feel desperate and depressed because absolutely NO improvement whatsoever in my difformity or terrible pain.

D6: Same thing but worst; strange phase between 10AM - 3PM, where I felt the urgent and non-negociable need to go back home and lie down for a few hours, without even sleeping, but without doing absolutely anything. Felt actually just like when you have a flu or a profound disease that tells you: "man, just stay in that bed, do nothing and shut the fu*k up, I'm working". Wasn't that bad nor scary, but I felt strange feelings in my body, with a little and really short flare up of Peyronie's flaccid pain (nothing as big as the "healing crisis" I've heard about). Still feeling somehow desperate though, and a little moody afterwards.

Tonight (D6 to D7): waking up having a nocturnal erection, as from 19+ months now, and feeling... almost NOTHING. NO.FUC*ING.THING. Guys, you cannot imagine how it feels, after TWO [email protected]<ing YEARS feeling like I have a knife stuck in my whole penis anytime my junk goes up. After 4000+ euros spent in urologists, injections, shockwaves, more than twenty oral meds, daily humiliating pumping and tracting, a [email protected]<ing Peyronies-second-job-and-rent... Seven days of fasting and 80% of the inflammation is gone overnight. This is UNBELIEVABLE. I've semi-masturbated two times this morning as I couldn't believe it: same feeling, ALMOST NO PAIN. Sweet [email protected]<ing Jesus...

Now, I'm extatic but my concern is: will it last? What will happen tomorrow and the next days when I have an erection? What will happen when I refeed and go back to eating (keto) in 3 days? And, less important to my eyes as this pain was bloody life-ravaging: what about the re-shaping of the severe hourglass difformity?

I'll let you know how it evolves guys. Feel free to ask questions in the meantime. Gosh I'm gonna go for a walk under the sun enjoying the moment and hoping it will last.

Cheers and love

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« Reply #126 on: April 21, 2019, 09:36:12 AM »

Super happy for you Gabriel!

Now re your concern, my significant issue is/was hourglassing which was almost a decade old now. It improved after fasting (when I had nutrition outside of fasting sorted). If my decade old almost certainly calcified situation can improve, I'd be very optimistic that yours can.

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« Reply #127 on: April 21, 2019, 05:09:07 PM »

Great news Gabriel!  That’s significant and I suspect keto will keep the pain away not that you’ve attacked the inflammation.
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« Reply #128 on: April 22, 2019, 12:28:03 PM »

Skunk, Tony, thank you :-)!

Well, the inflammation has rose again, but NOT to the same level as before; I guess there is still a long/medium way to go, but at least I'm now 100% ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that we are on the right path. Since yesterday, I keep having more and more strange not-so-unpleasant pain while flaccid throughout the day, especially when I lie down and rest still; these feelings are exactly the same as I experienced in a less intense way the day before my inflammation subsided.

I'm really hoping for another significant decrease before I end my fast on wednesday; but anyway, I now know that I will do one ore more other prolonged fast, as soon as possible, to finish off my inflammation/pain. From my latest researches, also according to JS (thanks again man, great example!) and contrary to my spontaneous opinion, dry fasting seem to be the most efficient way to go. See here a quite good synthesis about it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsRld1K8Eo (and yes guys, I'm sorry to say it, I hated him too at the beginning, but we have to confess it: YES, Thomas de Lauer is good. Beyond its appearance, style and everything irritating, the guy present things that are backed by hard science, in an always serious and great pedagogical manner!)
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« Reply #129 on: April 22, 2019, 01:29:26 PM »

Jesus Gabriel this made my day!! So good to hear that you have found something to battle your pain. That's Just awesome! I haven't looked at the forum for a while now because of some thesis stress but damn, the first time to be back is a good one. 😁 Good luck guys, we dan do this 💪🏻

PS. For the person who asked if i use VED/traction i would first like to apologise for the late response. As mentioned above it has been a while on this forum. To answer your question: no not yet, i am looking into VED at the moment.
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« Reply #130 on: April 24, 2019, 08:10:58 PM »

Prolonged fasting is great.

Prolonged, dry fasting is 3 times more effective. People should try it before judging it.
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« Reply #131 on: April 24, 2019, 09:49:32 PM »

How can dry fasting be healthy when it can only result in dehydration w many bad and ultimately dangerous effects?

I know we are desperately seeking cures, but please be safe.  Drink while fasting, or better yet consider keto diet w IF.

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« Reply #132 on: April 26, 2019, 02:32:39 PM »

Is it too late to fast at 1 year, 2 months post-injury? I got my initial injury on February 28th, 2018. The two initial injuries appear to no longer hurt, and I'm afraid they're "sealed". Does this make them less likely to change with fasting? My other dents are newer, and I think would respond.
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« Reply #133 on: April 26, 2019, 07:11:26 PM »

Keto w IF is a great anti inflammatory treatment.  It should be helpful at any stage if paired w other treatment such as xiaflex, pentox, traction/VED, and low dose nightly PDE5i.
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« Reply #134 on: April 29, 2019, 04:06:00 AM »

Hello guys!

Snaffu: happy to make you happy and thanks a lot for your incentive man, that's what keep us going, and it's very precious to me :-)!!

Concerned, yes I do believe that you could have results, even 1+ year after your injury: I had some while I'm 19+ months in, and folks here like Skunkworks (and Neo?) had results from fasting even several years after the onset... So go for it, but please do it properly (lots of preliminary research, snake juice, incremental endeavours, etc.)!

All: unfortunetaly, years of IF and 3 months of keto did not improve my Peyronies Disease at all, nor regarding the pain or the difformity. Only one out of 5 mad expansive PRP injections did, until I make this 10 days water fast. I do contend though that a keto/IF lifestyle is from far the best way to live and eat that I ever tried!

About this fast, I forgot something I just realized yesterday night: I haven't had ANY muscular zaps and spasms while falling asleep since my fast!! I had been having them for like 2 years with peaks and downs but constantly; they subsided a little when going keto, but now they seem to be totally (?) gone!!

Problem is: pain in erection has come back... Not all of it, but a good part of it. And the stupid thing is: it came back just the same way it did last summer that when I had a huge and durable surge in pain after a party: for the first time in a while, I went out, smoke a lot of pot (no alcohol though), then binge ate like a motherfuc*er (only macadamia/brazil nuts, but like 400+g.....), and woke up in the middle of the night with the whole body in a crazy inflammatory state and particularly the dick with a very painful erection... Maybe it will subside in the next few days, but if it doesn't, I'm definitly the silliest prick ever (ruining a 10-days fast with a one-night party, well done^^).

PS: Christopher, I'm about to start (this week) a topic about dry fasting; your advice is SO wanted man :)!!



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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2019, 01:51:59 PM »

Its totally ubderstandable to celebrate once in a while Gabriel. It sucks that your pain came back though. But as you said there is some improvement and that's awesome! Its a marathon not s sprint. Just het some positivity out of it and keep on progressing.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #136 on: May 01, 2019, 08:15:24 PM »

Looking forward to your topic!
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« Reply #137 on: May 05, 2019, 12:56:57 PM »

Okay, I have a ridiculous concern here:

I recently measured myself and discovered that in the period between 21 and 27 (where I am now), I've gone from dead-average girth to decently-above-average, and have also gained almost a full inch in length. Because my peyronies is not severe (although still pretty troublesome and worrying, particularly in terms of how it affects erectile quality), I'm feeling hesitation to engage in water fasting, out of fear that I may be one of those rare late growers. The only reason why I suspect this, is that I used to wear condoms with my ex-girlfriend, up until I was 26, and never had any problems with normal condoms. Between 26 and 27 normal condoms started to be uncomfortable to wear, and became particularly difficult to roll all the way to the bottom (flaring, conical shape of penis). If I begin to water fast, I may lose what might be active growth. Am I an idiot? I'm really nervous about this. Obviously if my peyronies continues to progress, as it has been, my erectile quality and regularity will degenerate to the degree where size is irrelevant. However, on the other hand, because of normal insecurities about my body, I'm desperate to be or become as big as I can. What would you guys do? I'm a year and two months in, now. Some of my scars and dents are much younger than that, and I think that if JS1991's results were to occur for me, I'd be borderline cured.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #138 on: May 06, 2019, 07:26:51 PM »

@ConcernedandWorried - I have no answer but would find it hard to believe that a few days without food would affect your girth.

Hey guys does anybody have a recorded of people who mentioned they improved / cured peyronies by fasting?
I would like to try it, but would be good to know how many successful cases we have?
From what I have read:

- JS1991 - multiple 10 day water fasts - fixed a dent
- Gabriel - 10 day water fast - had pain reduction which came back after few days (maybe due to other factors)
- krazylord - 20 day fast - pain reductions but no real peyronies improvements
- Chrispother1 - 4 day water fast - noticed plaque soften
- Snaffu - 3 day water fast - noticed pain reduction and plaque improvements, no change in hourglassing

Please add to this and correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #139 on: May 08, 2019, 10:09:18 PM »

Still no evidence...even anecdotal.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #140 on: May 09, 2019, 03:40:53 AM »

I did a 96 hour waterfast last week. i didn't post anything cause i was afraid that my improvements would only be temporary. But luckily after almost a week ( I stopped the fat last friday) i still have the same improvements.

I wanted to fast longer but i am 1.78 m (5ft 10) and weighed before fast 67 kg (148 pounds) so I Just dont have the fat to keep myself pushing longer. At the end of my waterfast i weighed 63 kg (139 pounds).

My results are the following:
-My aroused erections look a lot better. Sometimes it even looks like it used to! I can still feel the dents on both sides though during aroused erections. And my morning erections (so without any arousal) look the same as before. Good improvement nonetheless.
- Hard flaccid is for 95% gone now which i am quite happy with. I only still have it after sex, but Just for around an hour, then it subsides.
- my erections fill up a lot better. The Hourglass is less pronounced when blood fills my penis up.

No change in my plaque and little to know pain reduction. But the reason for no pain reduction could be because i had sex a couple of times during the last weekend.

For some reason my flaccid shape looks a lot worse. The Hourglass looks a lot more pronounced now, especially when i have to go to the toilet (Both number one and two). Afterwards the shape gets a little better, but still worse than before. Any ideaal why my flaccid shape got worse, but my erect shape better?

Anyway in quite happy with the results, but as a said before a little worried it wont last. I am therefore still not celebrating. Just keeping my cool so I wont get too devasted when things go South again.

Anyway that's my post up so far. Hope you guys can get some use out of it.

Snaffu

PS. If you are doubting waterfasting, why not try it for 24 hours for the first time? It dont think it would do much for your peyronies, but it will give you an idea. The first 24 hours always make me feel quite good for some reason haha. Anyway goodluck everyone.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #141 on: May 09, 2019, 06:58:55 AM »

Still no evidence...even anecdotal.

The post directly before yours contains reports of anecdotal evidence...

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« Reply #142 on: May 09, 2019, 04:41:07 PM »

Well, very little improvements, none of which appear to have reduced a curve for example.
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« Reply #143 on: May 10, 2019, 01:36:34 AM »

I personally don't consider dents filling in as very little improvement, simply because they bothered me so much.

Thing is there is a wealth of evidence showing the health benefits of periodic water fasting outside of Peyronie's. It'd be worth doing even if you did not have a bent or dented dick, even more so if you do. Particularly if you've taken the time to read the science supporting the theory behind why it might help.

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« Reply #144 on: May 10, 2019, 05:51:16 PM »

I just wanted to list what everybody has said to make it easier to make a judgement if it is worth a try.
I agree with both skunkworks and TonySa, there might be some improvements, but they also seem fairly inconsistent so far.
That is the reason why I am hesitating myself + I will be likely be out of it for a few days and lose weight.
But I will probably give it a try soon. I am thinking of 24 hours dry fasting, followed by 48 hours water fasting on 'snake juice'.
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« Reply #145 on: May 12, 2019, 05:41:49 PM »

First post ever for me on this site.   sorry it's a little long.

@JohnnyDoe, you can add me to your list of people who witnessed distinct benefits from water fasting.

Actually, the only reason i came back on this site (haven't been here in months... so much info, i couldnt make heads or tails of it all) was because :
For reasons completely unconnected to peyronies, I just did a 5 day master cleanser fast followed by a 4 day water fast.  3 days into the water fast I was peeing and -- lo and behold -- i noticed a significant reduction in the plaques that were previously in the middle of my penis.  i couldnt believe it, i could barely find them in the flacid state.  After fishing around a bit, i finally found some, but they were notably reduced from just a week before. 

I immediately googled "fasting peyronies" and fell upon this discussion thread. 

I finished the fast yesterday, got home today i used a VED to see if there was any correction in curvature.  I didnt notice much of a difference from before to be honest, I still have kind of hourglass-ish kind of S curve.  Then again, i wasn't super hard either (my peyronies isnt too bad (neither the pain nor the curvature) but i do have Erectile Dysfunction which is very annoying.).  Anyway, it was still very surpising in the flacid state and had i known it 2 years ago when my Peyronies began i would have fasted immediately upon discovery. 

So it seems this was autophagy at work. 

Today I stumbled across Neo's great vids (i'm guessing the same NeoV as in the threads here), notably this one:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K0oafzSApw    If you cross this information, provided it's accurate (and it makes total sense to me from my experiences in diet and fasting) with the fact that a ketogenic diet without fasting does not necessarily induce autophagy (in fact, it rarely does, see this vid, for example... funny dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPvoko9PC8E  ) then i would say that:

keto diet:  great for prevention, damage control and slight softening of plaques
water fasting:   induces autophagy, which seems to be able to reduce plaque size more considerably.

@Neo would you agree with me on this?    Also, do you have Erectile Dysfunction and if so does this diet help with it?

(sorry if i'm repeating things people have already said... i read through a lot of threads rather quickly)

also, i've noticed a lot of people saying a lot of things about fasting that i dont agree with.  (for example, taking medications while fasting...).  A water fast, imo, should be only water.    I learned quite a lot from Stephen buhner's excellent book   https://www.amazon.com/Transformational-Power-Fasting-Spiritual-Rejuvenation-ebook/dp/B00770DLJS     
I have water fasted once before, for 7 days back in 2015.  Amazing spiritually, emotionally, physically (that was pre-Peyronies Disease).


ps.  I got Peyronies Disease in late 2017, origin of immersion probably rough sex, i was 36.  I have treated it, it seems more or less successfully, with pentox and VED, but the Erectile Dysfunction has never gone away.  i also have Chronic Prostatitis (@gabriel i'd like to exchange on that... could there be a link?) that i've been struggling with off and on since 2006.   

pps.   looking back, i see certain symptoms that could have been warning signs for Peyronies Disease if one considers it's a metabolic disorder:

- hyperglycemia when i eat wheat (avoiding wheat almost completely makes it disappear so i thought "hyperglycemia" was a misdiagnosis (from about 20yrs old and on)
- inability to ejaculate in morning.  i don't know what this has to do with anything, no doctor has been able to clarify.  Sex in morning is possible, i get hard... it's just often i cant ejaculate.  so very frustrating.   I was always certain it was metabolic but couldnt figure out what was going on, and left it at that  (from about age 30 and on)
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« Reply #146 on: May 13, 2019, 05:54:35 AM »

Interesting @iamnotiam. I would love to try a water fast but I am way too skinny to try it. The funny guy that you mention in the Youtube vid (Siim Land) has other videos that I've watched and he mentions that sauna use can stimulate autophagy and particularly infrared sauna. I wonder if using an infrared sauna a few times a week can produce the same results with peyronie's without having to fast?
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« Reply #147 on: May 14, 2019, 05:41:44 AM »

Fantastic news iamnotiam! Welcome to the forums.

I do not think that autophagy is the reason why Peyronie's improves on keto or low carb, or even fasting (if we are saying that autophagy is the body eating scar tissue). The penis itself get's healthier, inflammation lowers, and the environment that produces scarring is basically removed once the body is off carbohydrates and fasting or running on simply vegetables, meat, and fat. Fasting may be even better or powerful when combined.

One reason why the penis feels so much better fasting or on keto could be because of the drammatic blood pressure reduction, among many other reasons. Your blood will be less "sticky" and the hematoma or damaged parts of the penis will allow more blood to flow through. Fasting / keto, and traction or VED with periods of abstinence can really change the entire way your penis feels and heals.

With all that said, I do like fasting (I now do one meal a day) and the benefits are profound!

Autophagy appears to refer to a lot of different things, and not just one, but in general yes, I think fasting is critical to inflammatory disorders and Peyronie's.

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« Reply #148 on: May 28, 2019, 12:57:58 AM »

Last two times I fasted I broke the fast after barely 1.5 days. Last two times I fast I was attempting a dry fast.

Every time I did a water fast, I didn't fail. I was able to carry it on for 4-5 days.

Dry fasts are hard :( Any tip on how to succeed?
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« Reply #149 on: May 28, 2019, 09:44:29 AM »

Honestly - I do not think dry fasts are that critical.

I think the most important thing is the length of the fast. Done safely, of course. Snake juice keeps it pretty safe. To get Angus Barbieri-like effects, it needs to be long. What are those effects? Skin tags fall off. Excessive skin regresses. Weird aches and pains disappear etc. Autophagy takes time.

Barbieri used snake juice and vitamins, I think. And nutritional yeast. I personally just stick to snake juice.

Dry fasts are cool, but you can't do them for too long. My max is 4 days dry.
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