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Re: Missing days on the protocol...
« Reply #100 on: December 29, 2010, 09:57:02 PM »

No - hope you had fun out of town...
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Re: VED: ErectionsDuringCycles?yes/no
« Reply #101 on: December 29, 2010, 10:02:13 PM »

Yes this article has been noted here before - there might even be a link to a full reprint somewhere - do a search and it might turn up. Essentially they are doing a 1 cylinder protocol with a 3 minute hold time - not too sophisticated. They were probably inspired by reading this forum - at least I hope so.
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Back again
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2011, 01:10:19 AM »

Hey everyone...so I developed Peyronie's in october just after my 24th birthday. I started having pain in August and plaque started in october with curvature to the right devloping. Recently Ive noticed...after a relatively stable period where it curved to the right it now curves less to the right and curves upward causing a shortening in my penis. On top of this when I ejaculate I get no propulsion if you know what I mean...a few things fly out and the rest just dribbles down the shaft. On top of this my gf of three years just left and is screwing someone else...needless to say I am going through a rough spot. I havent done anything to take cre fo this because my doc (uro) told me to just let it be and it would run its course and be done. The pain is mostly gone sure, but the deformity is worse than it was and I feel really crappy  thinking maybe  could have avoided this. So it has been 8 months...I mean what is the course of this disease usually? Also, at this point I dont know if a VED would help me...as my penis is curved upward. I still get morning erections but they are not as strong. This really sucks. GF stopped having sex with me when this hit and now she is with someone else. 3 years..sucks. How am I supposed to meet a new chick if my thing doesnt work? So i gotta get this fixed. Help!
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Re: Back again
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2011, 06:05:09 AM »

I don't see why VED would not help you and is worth a shot.  I can see why this would worry you about other girls but I bet if you met a girl and did not tell her she would not even notice.  If it goes in fine (which im sure it does) it is not that much of a problem.  It is a problem for us because we don't like the way it looks but that is only because we know what it used to look like.  A new girl would not have anything to compare it to. It could be worth trying pentox as you are at the 8 month stage.
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Re: Back again
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2011, 10:13:54 AM »

Worried

YOu say 8 month stage....how long does this typically go on? Youre right, I could live with the deformity it has caused me thus far....I cant handle it getting worse is all.
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Re: Back again
« Reply #105 on: April 23, 2011, 11:09:50 AM »

Clarkk,

Well Uro's typically say 12-18 months before things settle down but everyone is different and your guess is as good as mine.  I have about a year to go of this if this is the case and then I should know more.  Dr Lue has a case study where a man in his 50s started taking Pentox at 8 months and he had a reduction in curvature from 30 to 10 degrees and a reduction in size of plaque.  This is not to say it will work for everyone but it has to be worth a go even if it helps stop things getting worse.  My first uro said it should not get any worse after being 6 months pain free.

http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php?topic=772.0
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Re: Back again
« Reply #106 on: April 23, 2011, 11:18:14 AM »

That is why you want to do what you can now to keep it from progressing. Even if it does stablize in 12-18 months, you want to minimize the damage caused during this time period.

I'm really getting annoyed at the "wait and see" or "do nothing until it stabilizes" approach that many urologists seem to take.
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Re: Back again
« Reply #107 on: May 01, 2011, 11:15:55 AM »

I know what youre going through dude. My morning erections are either weak or non-existent and I also have Erectile Dysfunction. My curve is only minor now to the left, but the plaques (or scar tissue?) wrap around my dick just before the head causing a slight hourglass shape and reduced size.

Ive been on pentox now for about 2 weeks and I'm hoping it does something to help me. I also just started taking l arginine.

As for your gf, I'm sorry to year that. The sad truth is that a lot of women are cheaters, even more so than men these days-I read somewhere that 50% of men cheat and 55% of women cheat. So, in finding someone who will be faithful, eyou kind of have the odds stacked against you, and the peyronies just makes it worse.

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Newbie, trying to make it the right way
« Reply #108 on: May 16, 2011, 11:53:39 AM »

Well, the header said i all. No, it didn't. My - since one week - stretching sessions, as I and my (since 1 year) wife prefer to call them seem to be all right, following the forum scheme for 1-cylinder VED's. My flaccid size has improved this week, and I do not compain about that  ;) Furthermore, I intend to buy a piece of Plexiglass tube from a nearby glazier, something in shape like the small tube in the exercises that are suggested. As soon as this new tube and my cock is inside the bigger vacuum tube, what can go wrong? Or can it? Is it OK to let it go in first and then apply the vacuum pressure?
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Re: Newbie, trying to make it the right way
« Reply #109 on: May 16, 2011, 03:31:24 PM »

Palle:

Just read your post about your exercise with the one cylinder VED following the one cylinder protocol that is posted in the VED board section of the main forum.

I strongly urge you and/or recommend that you do not use the plastic cylinder you plan to purchase from a local source. Most one cylinders that I know of are not designed to use another cylinder inside of them. You are surely going to cause more damage by inserting the added cylinder inside the one cylinder VED.

You should resort to following the protocol for the one cylinder VED using only the cylinder that came with the VED package you state you are using.

A word to the wise should be sufficient. You should provide more information about your VED exercise session in order for anyone to assist you in using it, etc.

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Vacurect Rx 1001
« Reply #110 on: May 21, 2011, 08:31:55 AM »

Has anyone used the single cylinder Vacurect Rx 1001? My understanding is that your insurance and medicare will help pay for the ved.
If I understand what I have read on the forum, blood flow and erections help in reducing the flack which in turn helps reduce curveature in the penis. I am 65 years of age and still enjoy having sex with my wife of 47 years. I use cilias at times and find that it gives me a mild headache for a few days. I could kill to birds with one stone, help im my peyronies and stop buying the expensive getter up pills. One more question. Should I use the chart for the 3 cylinder ved for the duration times?
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Re: Vacurect Rx 1001
« Reply #111 on: May 21, 2011, 02:45:41 PM »

There is a scheme for single cylinder VED users in this forum. Re the Cialis, too much of that stuff will make not only your penis but also your brain and face to blush, so to say. So much for headache. Save the pill usage for those dear moments ;) Your young wife may surely need a lot of attention and care. So does mine, 70 yrs old this summer, with me only 69, still active with at least ten more years to go, as we both see it. I have been trying a single cyl VED just for ten days now, and have had positive experiences from the use already :D. If you are going to use the VED for its primary purpose, to get a boner, then buy some restriction rings to go with it. Maybe yoy can skip the Cialis pills after that.
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VED and modeling
« Reply #112 on: July 01, 2011, 01:43:14 PM »

Gentlemen,

I ordered the manual stretching CD from PDI a couple of years ago, but I never really used it in my therapy.  Then, after reading posts from the Xiaflex study on our forum about modeling after the injections, I started thinking more about the manual stretching CD.

So, I've been using the modeling therapy immediately after I finish using the VED, while my penis is still in the blood engorged state.  I mainly just try bending it in the opposite direction of my curvature, but I also do a little stretching lengthwise too. 

I've been doing this for a few weeks now and haven't had any negative results or pain associated with it.  If you're using a VED, you might want to give it a try and let us all know what you think.


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« Reply #113 on: July 09, 2011, 10:52:14 AM »

I purchased a vitality ved a few months ago and have been using it pretty regular. It has helped in my curvature and has made my penis feel like it is more healthy. I have a little problem with it and just wondering if anyone has had the same problem and if so whats the fix. When using it for therapy and using both inserts it still pulls some of the sack into the tube. This results in a little puffy ring around the base of the penis. Also if using the ved for erections to have sex and I use both rings and put the bands on I can't get the rings over the head of my penis. I was wondering if I cut the rings and lined them up where the cuts will be opposite of each other, if the ved would lose it vacuum. If it didn't then I could pull them open a remove the rings with no trouble.

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Re: Vitality ved
« Reply #114 on: July 09, 2011, 02:17:59 PM »

Phil:

What you are experiencing is a common problem with most beginner VED users. You can solve the problem of the sack being drawn up into the mouth of the cylinders by making sure you do not any lube on it. If you do, simply wipe it off before pumping vacuum pressure. Another tip is to hold the entire VED firmly against your body when pumping while holding the sack clear with one hand and pump with the other hand = takes a bit of practice, but it can be mastered.

You do not not need to use the sizing rings when going for an erection for sex unless you are very small and need the tighter seal around the base of your shaft. Try this: remove the inner ring and go for an erection with the outer ring only. If this works and you can get it over the head of the shaft, then OK. If not, remove both rings and pump up to an erection and then slide the retainer ring off the cylinder mouth. This usually works with no problem. Just make sure the cylinder mouth does not cut into the base of the penis in the groin area with both sizing inserts removed.

If you wish, you can shoot me a private message and I will be glad to work with you on any problem you might encounter with the VED therapy or for erections.

Old Man

Edit: DO NOT CUT THE SIZING RINGS AS THIS WILL RUIN THEM FOR A VACUUM SEAL!! THEY MUST BE COMPLETELY WHOLE FOR THEIR INTENDED USE.
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pump requirements etc
« Reply #115 on: August 05, 2011, 10:18:43 AM »

hi i just ordered a single cylinder vitality online a few mins ago. i read the exercise for the one cylinder and it sounds like 80 percent  5 min 100 percent 5 min. i know the steps invovled with in the 5 minutes. so do i use this pump for just 10 mins a day????? what would you suggest. i would like to use it in the am and pm so i will prob double the protocol any opinions and is there gonna be much improvement difference between only one cylinder and the 3  thanz....i hope the 2.25 width is wide enough too. ithink my circumference is prob 3.5 roughly is this going to b an issue.thanx
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Re: pump requirements etc
« Reply #116 on: August 05, 2011, 10:21:13 AM »

jet:

Read my PM to you this date.

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VED Newbie question on 3 cylinder VED: To use or not to use the "A" cylinder
« Reply #117 on: August 05, 2011, 02:50:37 PM »

I came down with Peyronies Disease 10 months ago.  Started seeing the curvature kick in 3 months ago.  bend is now 15 degrees to the left and 10 degrees towards my body.  Trying to stop if from getting worse, and hopefully improve it as well.  Just picked up a new SomaErect STF 3 cylinder VED.  Tried it the last two days (took me 3 weeks after it arrived to get up the courage to try it out.)  Have read the boards in detail (thank you all for the wisdom here) and had a question about the "A" cylinder.  Should it still be used or not?  Seems to be some confusion here on my part.  My issue with the "A" cylinder is that it doesn't "fit" the bottom 25% of my penis.  Should I try to use the negative pressure to suck in the bottom 25%, just apply the VED to the top 75% of the shaft or switch to the "B" tube?  As is, it looks like I have a shorter than normal member in the VED tube when the pressure is applied.....

I completely get that the smaller tube encourages length-wise stretching, while the larger tube helps with the girth....So I don't want to screw up the protocol.

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blackseal:

Just read your post about using the small A cylinder with the three cylinder VED. Use of the A cylinder depends on ones physical size. VED therapy should be used staring with a totally flaccid penis. One must use plenty of lube inside the A cylinder as well as on the shaft. Apply liberal amounts of lube up inside the A cylinder as far as you can reach with your longest finger. Tip: some guys report using a small brush to apply the lube in the cylinder.

Try varying methods of applying the lube to ascertain which works best for you. You should use the A cylinder if at all possible. Its main purpose is to hold the shaft in a small confined space in the straightest position so that is remolds the shape, etc. However, if your flaccid size is just too large to be pulled into the A cylinder, you can leave it out of the protocol and proceed to use the protocol starting with the B cylinder and follow on through the B and C schedule for the whole 26 week course.

There are a few guys who are so large in the flaccid state that it is impossible for the shaft to be inserted in the A cylinder. Somewhere on the forum, there are posts supporting what I recommend above. You may need to do a search for that subject to find them.

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All that old man said about this issue does comply with standards set about protocol.The locked threads are always a good reference for you needs.Oldman has set the bar for ved therapy and much of it is In the lock threads.

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Thanks fubar and Old Man.  I did look on the locked threads - there just seemed to be a difference of opinion as to the "A" cylinder.  I am finding a way to "make it work" in the "A" cylinder for now.....
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blackseal:

OK, sounds like you have gotten on the right track with the protocol procedures. It does take a bit of practice to get the hang of the best method for yourself. Each and every case of Peyronies Disease as well as the physical size of each person is totally different from any other, so each must develop what works best for them.

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vitality stock cylinder is fillin up at base?
« Reply #122 on: August 12, 2011, 09:48:20 AM »

hi when i pump my dong presses hard against the bottom inch or so of the cylinder. is this gonna hinder me from gettin rid of my hour glassing which is a ways past the base. thanks.
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Re: vitality stock cylinder is fillin up at base?
« Reply #123 on: August 12, 2011, 04:42:17 PM »

jet:

If you are using both of the sizing inserts in the one cylinder Vitality VED, your base portion will always fill up the cylinder. Otherwise, you would not be able to get a good tight seal so that the rest of your shaft would not fill up either. You need a tight seal to accomplish any good VED therapy at all time during the pump and release exercises.

Don't believe you would have any problem with the hourglass being affected by the base being filled out fully as you describe. Just adhere to the protocol and do it daily as specified in the protocol you are following.

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Re: vitality stock cylinder is fillin up at base?
« Reply #124 on: August 13, 2011, 01:14:44 AM »

Jet

Not sure exactly what you are describing but sure old man is pointing you in the preferred direction. Make sure you lube yourself and the cylinder walls you want everything slick.

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« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2011, 02:34:10 PM »

At times I have some tenderness around the base of my penis and I believe it is coming from pushing the cylinder into my body enough to make a good seal. I have read some about the encore scrotal tissue shield and was wandering if any one has tried it. I don't want to shave around the base because of the short hair sticks and make me uncomfortable. I have read some reviews and its about 75/25 saying they would recommend it. I use the ved for peyronies and also for erection for sex. One of the reviews said it was a job to get the shield over the tension ring. Thanks for your information.
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Re: Scrotal tissue rings
« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2011, 12:57:20 AM »

Srcotal tissue ring new to me.Shave the short hairs and commence treatment.It is not a big deal hair grows back.You always need a good seal with the ved.


Position should not be a challenge once you have created a seal.

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Re: Scrotal tissue rings
« Reply #127 on: December 04, 2011, 12:20:13 AM »

Try the penile sleeve which come in 3 sizes.  This stops the cylinder from pressing against the base of the penis.  It also restricts some blood flow and you can get a full glans.  Make sure that you use lube to pull the penis through the "sleeve".  I found also that the sleeve against the body formed a great suction and I didn't feel the cylinder at all.  It seemed natural to my wife and I.

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Re: Scrotal tissue rings
« Reply #128 on: December 04, 2011, 01:00:16 AM »

What?

Are you wearing a ved during intercourse? Three sleeves durining intercourse i would rather go with one!No plastic is my advise.I do know people have their preferences. Tend to believe you are nuts though.

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Re: Scrotal tissue rings
« Reply #129 on: December 04, 2011, 07:58:10 AM »

fubar:

What the guy is talking about is a sleeve that fits over the mouth of the cylinder like the sizing inserts. They do come is different sizes to fit over ones penis. It serves two purposes - it keeps the scrotum and hair out of the mouth of the VED when pumping up, and if one is going for an erection for sex, you simply slide the VED off the shaft and leave the sleeve on the base of the penis which holds up the erection just like any tension ring, etc.

They come in various types and sizes and are usually available from several sources on the web. I got one from the Timm Medical division of Endocare to use with my old Osbon Eseem VED and it works great.

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« Reply #130 on: December 07, 2011, 11:44:28 PM »

So I'm going to try the VED for another cycle.  I have the 3 cylinder vitality device.  It is pinching towards the base of my shaft.  I recall reading on a past thread that the problem was that the smaller insert wasn't as long as the bigger insert (or comfort ring or whatever they call it).  Is that the problem, and does anyone have a workaround?
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Re: VED Pinching
« Reply #131 on: December 08, 2011, 08:08:21 AM »

peyrosucks:

This has been a problem that some guys experience with the three cylinder VED. You should be using both the small and large sizing inserts to help control the pinching effect. It is caused by the gap between the inserts and the mouth of the cylinders when all three are mated together.

If you are not already doing so, you should trim off the longer pubic hair around the base and then shave the stubble to provide a clean surface. Another tip is to use plenty of lube inside the mouth of the cylinder and as far up into the cylinder(s) as you can reach to provide a more slippery entrance with the head of your penis. The shaft must have the ability to slide easily up and down in the cylinder
which should help with the pinching as well.

After you get the shaft into the mouth of the cylinders and start pumping, the VED should be held firmly against the body so that the scrotum skin or other body skin is not drawn into the mouth of the cylinder. Excess skin there can be allowed to be drawn into the gap between the inserts and cylinders hence the pinching.

Experiment with different amounts of vacuum - especially when you first being the cycles. Start of with a mild amount of vacuum and increase the amount as your shaft begins to come more erect. At no time should you use too much vacuum pressure in order not to cause any damage/trauma to your penis. Less vacuum pressure is much better than more pressure with VED therapy.

Let me know how the above tips work out for you.

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difference among cylindres
« Reply #132 on: January 10, 2012, 11:24:20 PM »

I think i'll star with VED, after 13 months of peyronie.


Can anyone tell me the sense of the protocol with 3 cylindres? Why that order among cylindres?
Which is the difference between small cylinder and large cylinder?

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Re: difference among cylindres
« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2012, 11:53:01 AM »

diop:

OK, the theory behind the three cylinder therapy is this = the small cylinder being used in the early stages of the protocol holds the shaft of the penis in a very straight and confined condition. This is supposed to help remold/model the shape of the shaft back into a more straight position. Also, it forces more blood flow into the corpora which also helps with the straightening process. The medium cylinder allows the shaft to expand in length as well as girth and this provides greater blood flow, still helping with the straightening process.

The large cylinder allows the penis to be extended to its fullest in length and girth. Again, allowing more blood flow into and out of the corpora which provides the best blood flow, etc. possible with full erections.

The above is based on my extensive experience helping guys on and off the forum with the VED therapy. I have been using the VED for over 16 years now since a radical prostatectomy which left me impotent. The VED therapy can and will help with most Peyronies Disease cases. It also allows one to get the biggest and hardest erection possible when going for sex.

If you need any further explanation, just post and I will endeavor to answer any and all questions you might have.

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How to thinking about it?
« Reply #134 on: January 24, 2012, 04:43:22 PM »

Hi all.
 Well, i have a strange feeling today about my situation ( i think i'm not the only one ).
 The things is: i'm in the middle of my 5th week with the 3 cylinders protocole, I wanted to compare my erection before and after VED use.
  when i obtain a natural erection after using VED ( just after or one hour later for ex ) i can see great improvement ( hourglassing/bottle neck  disapear ) and my penis looks like 99 pourcent like before peyronie. BUT, with a daily erection ( before doing VED session ) it's not really the same. In that case, my symptomes back and it's like nothing changed.
 The good thing is symptome disapear ( ok only after VED ), and in the begining of the VED protocole it wasn't like that, so a good evolution. And i never had  Erectile Dysfunction. I can understand that tissues have a better elastic capacity after VED session, the blood can move everywhere, diferent when the tissues are "cold".
 Happy to see improvement and in same time sad to see that it's temporary improvement for now, like a daily circle of good/bad.
 Thinking about VED like an "eternal" crutche for having all integrity of your penis ( not for Erectile Dysfunction ) can be disturbing, but i don't give up.

 
 
 
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Re: How to thinking about it?
« Reply #135 on: January 25, 2012, 02:07:49 PM »

Same here... when I start the ved session it takes 5 minutes (like about 8 - 10 cycles) until my penis looks "normal" inside the cylinder
the thing is though, that immediately after, it is difficult to get and hold an erection because it seems that the blood can flow back out, and it seems it does.
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« Reply #136 on: January 25, 2012, 04:37:33 PM »

Luc:

Since the blood flows back immediately after using the VED sessions, you might have a venous leakage problem. Suggest you get yourself checked for that. It is a common occurrence with men as they get older and may not have cycled their erections as much as in earlier years.

I know that it occurred for me at about age 55. My uro suggested using a retainer ring to hold up erections.

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Re: How to thinking about it?
« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2012, 01:23:45 PM »

Thanks for the advice.
Actually I have an appointment mid feb. and will have it checked.

Actually I meant, that I can get erections normally and hold them (example in the mornings)

but right after a 25 minute ved session I have difficulties getting one (without the ved).

I wanted to get some erect photographs (to show my uro) right before the ved session and right after (as he asked me if there is a difference - He does not promote ved usage, but was interested as I showed him the uk hospital study).

I got them done before, that was ok, but didnt manage to get a full erection right afterwards (I only managed a semi-erection). (though i admit i gave up after 5 minutes)

But you are right, I will talk to him about it.

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Re: How to thinking about it?
« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2012, 04:08:54 PM »

Luc:

Just read your latest post about the erections problem. You mentioned that you do a 25 minute VED session and have the erection difficulty shortly after finishing the session.

Suggest that you cut back on the time you are doing the sessions and maybe use less pressure and/or holding times between pump up cycles. This usually does away with erection problems if any occur. A 15 minute VED session should be enough especially if you do them every day on a regular basis. Daily use is the best overall therapy.

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Re: How to thinking about it?
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2012, 06:08:11 PM »

Old Man, thanks for the advice.
I am making VED 30 minutes every day for 5 months by now and have the same problem as Luc.
I will cut to 15 minutes and see the results.
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VED questions
« Reply #140 on: February 13, 2012, 11:18:43 PM »

I have acquired an Augusta Medical Systems 3 tube VED unit with both manual and electric pumps.  Over the last two months I have slowly been getting to know the system  and trying out different methods etc.  I think I am about ready to get serious with one of the protocols that are generously provided for us on this forum. So far I have not hurt myself yet, although I did have a close call with the electric pump/large tube set-up when it started to suck a testicle up before I could hit the release valve.

Before I get going I have a couple of what are probably stupid questions. Here goes:

1) Does it make any difference if you stand up or lie down doing this?

2) The kit came with a bunch of plastic fittings that are apparently for use with Erectile Dysfunction/sex. I don't need these right?  I don't have sex, and can get an erection anyway (painfully).

3) I have been using a TENS unit at very low current (can hardly feel it) for about 20 minutes before using the VED because it seems to relax my member and make it temporarily more pliable. Which makes it fit more easily into the acrylic tubes. The electric current also seems to help with plumping and filling once it is in the tube. Anyone see a problem with this?

4) I have been saving the small tube and only using the two big tubes since I am not sure how I am going to fit in there.  Any tips on force feeding my member into the small tube?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.
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« Reply #141 on: February 14, 2012, 09:57:36 AM »

1  I stand and/or sit on a bench in my shower.  I've never tried laying down.

2  The constriction rings are for having sex with Erectile Dysfunction.  They are not for Peyronies' therapy.

????

4  I use less pressure with the small tube.  Large tube, 3 pumps.  Medium tube, 2 to 3 pumps.  Small tube, 1 to 2 pumps.

The above is based only on my own experience, but I'm sure Old Man will give you the "expert's" opinion.

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« Reply #142 on: February 14, 2012, 10:07:57 AM »

Iseillinus:

OK, since I am considered the VED guru on the forum I will try to answer your questions in the order you listed them:

1. It really does not make any difference whether you are standing up or lying down. However, standing up will allow more blood flow into and out of the corporal chambers. I suggest standing up for the exercise cycles.

2. OK, the accessories that came with the VED are for use with getting erections for sex if one has Erectile Dysfunction.
So, you will not need them at any time when doing the schedules cycles of the protocol. Again, the VED should help with the painful erections, but be careful not to over pump the vacuum at any time. Less pressure is much better than more with VED therapy. If at any time you feel pain or discomfort, stop pumping and find the cause - could be too much vacuum applied.

3. I have no experience with the TENS unit other when I had some hand surgery and it was used in my therapy. However, some guys on the forum have used it and I suggest you ask that question in a separate post to get a proper answer for that question.

4. OK, you should use all three of the cylinders per the protocol when using VED therapy if at all possible. However, if your physical size is just too large to fit comfortably in the small cylinder, you can omit it from the scheduled cycles. In my experience on and off the forum, I have only encountered one or two guys who could not at least get a portion of their shaft into the small tube. Some using the VED have gotten erections or partial erections first and then tried to enter the small tube which failed. So, be sure that you do not get any form of erection prior to entering any of the cylinders. VED therapy must be started without getting any form of an erection!

4a. Here are some tips about getting your shaft into the small cylinder.

First, make sure that you have lubricated the small cylinder well up into it before trying to enter it. Some guys report using a toothbrush or any small brush to apply the lube up into the small cylinder. Tip on lubrication: I buy mine at Walmart under the brand name of Equate Personal Lube which works equal well as KY and that which came with the VED.

Second, lubricate only your shaft and especially the glans before trying to enter, etc. NOTE: DO NOT, REPEAT, DO NOT GET ANY LUBE ON YOUR SCROTUM TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING SUCKED UP INTO THE CYLINDERS.

Third, since the fit will rapidly become very tight, use several mild pumps to get your head portion to start being pulled into the cylinder. And, as the pressure builds and you feel discomfort, release the pressure while holding the entire VED against your body so that the seal will not be lost. I suggest that you practice getting used to entering the small cylinder and how to adapt to the tight pressure before embarking on a full session of the therapy according to the schedule in the three cylinder protocol.

Lastly, I strongly urge you to use only the manual pump for the reason you stated in your post. Unless you have some physical disability that precludes you from using the manual pump, you should not not use the battery powered pump. However this should be your decision. Print out this post so that you can refer to it when you start your practice session and on to the regular schedule.

Let me know if I can be of further help.

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Re: VED questions
« Reply #143 on: February 14, 2012, 11:51:31 AM »

Old Man,
Thanks so much for your detailed responses to all of my questions. In particular, I appreciate the part about not getting lube on your scrotum. It is just common sense, I am sure I would eventually figure it out, but there is a lot to absorb all at once with this gizmo. All your other points are spot on as well :)

GS,
Thanks, I like your point about counting the pumps with the manual unit. That should roughly equal a vacuum gauge, which my gizmo does not have :)

I think I have the small tube sorted out now, and will embark on the three cylinder protocol starting today.

Iseillinus:Second, lubricate only your shaft and especially the glans before trying to enter, etc. NOTE: DO NOT, REPEAT, DO NOT GET ANY LUBE ON YOUR SCROTUM TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING SUCKED UP INTO THE CYLINDERS.
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« Reply #144 on: February 14, 2012, 12:32:44 PM »

Iseilinus:

You are most welcome. Glad to help any and all with anything I have knowledge, etc.

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« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2012, 10:42:12 AM »

I was reading some of the older posts and people were stating that the blood flow from an erection carries more blood and is more healing to the penis than that from a VED erection. Maybe it is true, perhaps not.  I don't know.
It got me thinking.
Assuming it has some truth.  How would it work to get a natural erection and then do 15minutes of VED therapy?

I understand if you have a curve issue this may not work.

In the case of hour glassing it may make sence.  I realize you would have to be very gentle and cautious with pumping but it may deliver more blood flow and provide a differenct dynamic to stretching of the scar tissue.

I am sure someone long before me must have thought of this.  Is it a Dumb idea? Maybe not? 
Any comments?
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« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2012, 01:38:15 PM »

Well IMO it will not change a lot. But i did it a couple of times and for me the only difference was a gain in time.. like 4 to five minutes.

When I start a ved session with the medium cylinder,
normally my penis is not erected, and pumping up makes only small changes.
it takes 3 to five cycles until i get erection size.

If I have an erection when starting, I have erection size during first cycle.
so the difference is: I gain 3 cycles at most, average 5 minutes.

Using the big cylinder it takes longer to achieve full erection when pumping up.
I even have sometimes to use the medium cylinder for 5 to 6 cycles and then  switch to the big cylinder which has to be lubed.
Starting with an erection, I can skip the first 5 pumpups  and start with the big cylinder.

So doing 25 minutes when starting with an errection will give me like 30 minutes starting without.
I do not think that there is more difference than the saving of time.

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« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2012, 03:05:54 PM »

I tried sometimes to achieve an erection, waiting, and when my penis was flaccid ( but still engorging ) started VED session, and as Luciano said for me it was a gain in time. In my VED sessions i always take nearly 10 minutes to "prepare" my penis with very gently pumps and AFTER i start 10 cycles, with erection before VED, i reduce this time to 5 minutes.
I noted too after a hot bath when i did my VED session my penis had a better "response" to the therapy and it was more quick.

In my case is not an erection state, more an after erection state, but now i'm in my 7th week of the protocole and i can say that it s more natural for me to make VED session and after have a natural erection ( with no pain )
But i really can't say if it's useful or not, my curve reduced and it's more like a litle "natural" curve ( Thanks VED and/or i can say thanks the hourglassing who helped curve's reduction.. no answers for now, both i think ).

So i think ( with my little experience ) especially with hourglassing with  a post erected state or semi-erection before VED, the response will be more effective ( in my case especially with C cylinder ). The most important is too listen your body, if you have control on your VED therapy, i can't say it's a bad way.
Getting erections is so important, especially with peyronie, i always thought like i have more powerful to have erection than peyronie have power to let me down. Natural erections are good for the penis and the mind follow, it's a cycle.

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Re: Dumb Idea?
« Reply #148 on: February 16, 2012, 03:31:55 PM »

I'm pretty sure Old Man said never do the VED with a natural erection to start with.
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Modeling after VED therapy
« Reply #149 on: February 28, 2012, 11:24:54 AM »

Gentlemen,

After my VED session and while my penis is still engorged with blood from the VED, I have been doing some gentle penis bending and stretching.

So far, no pain or problems, but also no decrease in curvature.  Has anyone else tried this and does anyone think it's a good or bad idea?

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