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Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« on: December 03, 2012, 07:21:38 AM »

I found this text on another web forum:

"Peyronie's Disease (also known as "Induratio penis plastica"[1]) and more recently (CITA) Chronic Inflammation of Tunica Albuginea, is a connective tissue disorder involving the growth of fibrous plaques[2]

Use of Gotu kola (Centella asiatica) helps develop normal connective tissue and helps patients with Peyronies Disease. The use of gotu kola should be continued for at least six weeks and may be in conjunction with other treatments.

Use of Gotu Kola may be beneficial in conditions involving varicose veins and venous insufficiency (a hardening of the veins and loss of circulation to the extremities). Research has found Gotu Kola to be effective through its effect on connective tissue, which is an important structural component of veins. The active ingredients of Gotu Kola are Asiatiocosides and Triterpenes. Triterpines are steroid-like compounds, which have a balancing effect on connective tissues. These triterpenes are thought to improve the function and integrity of the collagen matrix and support the "ground substance," the basic "glue" that holds the cells of our bodies together. It has been used to prevent the development of keloid (bulging, enlarged) scars following surgery, as well as to soften existing keloids. Gotu Kola has also been tried as a treatment for improving burn and wound healing and to alleviate the symptoms of the connective tissue disease, scleroderma.

Keloids are the result of an overgrowth of dense fibrous tissue that usually develops after healing of a skin injury."



Sounds nice, and Gotu Kola is available in webstores and it's extremely low priced (few dollars per bottle).

I wonder why there is no discussion about this herb in this forum. Haven't anybody tried that? Any success?
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 10:35:31 AM »

This certainly sounds very interesting.  At this point I am sure there will be some around here who will give it a look over.  IF you decide to give it a try, do be sure to report back on any results or lack of results that you experience with it.  This is how we all learn of potential new treatments.  There are just so many possible treatments out there that it would take 10 lifetimes for one person or more to possibly even consider all of them.  - George
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 12:07:18 PM »

I've been using this product for a few days. Will report back results.
Amazon.com: Nature's Answer Gotu Kola Herb Standardized, 60 Vegetarian Capsules: Health & Personal Care
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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 08:59:04 AM »

Nice, let us know pizzaman. Also if you experience any side effects or something like that?
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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 04:16:29 PM »

I found this text on another web forum:

"Peyronie's Disease (also known as "Induratio penis plastica"[1]) and more recently (CITA) Chronic Inflammation of Tunica Albuginea, is a connective tissue disorder involving the growth of fibrous plaques[2]

Use of Gotu kola (Centella asiatica) helps develop normal connective tissue and helps patients with Peyronies Disease. The use of gotu kola should be continued for at least six weeks and may be in conjunction with other treatments.

Use of Gotu Kola may be beneficial in conditions involving varicose veins and venous insufficiency (a hardening of the veins and loss of circulation to the extremities). Research has found Gotu Kola to be effective through its effect on connective tissue, which is an important structural component of veins. The active ingredients of Gotu Kola are Asiatiocosides and Triterpenes. Triterpines are steroid-like compounds, which have a balancing effect on connective tissues. These triterpenes are thought to improve the function and integrity of the collagen matrix and support the "ground substance," the basic "glue" that holds the cells of our bodies together. It has been used to prevent the development of keloid (bulging, enlarged) scars following surgery, as well as to soften existing keloids. Gotu Kola has also been tried as a treatment for improving burn and wound healing and to alleviate the symptoms of the connective tissue disease, scleroderma.

Keloids are the result of an overgrowth of dense fibrous tissue that usually develops after healing of a skin injury."



Sounds nice, and Gotu Kola is available in webstores and it's extremely low priced (few dollars per bottle).

I wonder why there is no discussion about this herb in this forum. Haven't anybody tried that? Any success?


I came across this same info and tried it for a few months with no change that I could notice
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2012, 01:59:52 PM »

Thanks for bringing this up.

Herbalists have been using this and other herbs like butchers broom, hawthorn, whiteoak bark, and rose hips for varicose veins.  The Tunica is like a large vein and it seems to reason anything that will help with its elasticity and overall health is a good thing.  Especially if one is doing VED or traction.

It is not expensive so it is worth a try.  It may likely help with overall vitality.  Research is rarely done on herbs because the pharmacetuicals companies can not patent them and justify their efforts financially.

The info on the UMM site suggest it may cause liver issues if taken more than 6 weeks.  Therefore I would suggest taking some milk thistle with it as it will protect the liver.  Always a good idea when the liver may be taxed.
I have a bottle of Medi-Herb Gotu Kola Complex and I will start taking it.  I will report back but I don't expect anything remarkable in 6 weeks. 

It also includes grape seed extract which is an excellent antioxidant and Ginko which is good for circulation.

Thanks for the idea.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 04:13:37 PM »

goodluck,

I would point out that while the corpora cavernosa are like large veins, the tunica is not. The tunica is a very tough piece of tissue that covers the corpora and does not receive a very good blood supply (that's why healing can go awry and lead to Peyronie's).

I also think it worth pointing out that it is not true that pharmaceutical companies do not research herbs because they can't make money on it. Rather, they do not research herbs because many have no medicinal value whatsoever. If an herb was found effective, big pharma would synthesize the active ingredient, patent it and make money out the nose. Remember too that the FDA's bar is pretty high for what it considers safe and effective. Sure, some supplements may nudge your body one way or another as far as anti-oxidants or circulation or whatever it claims to help, but scientifically may not be any more effective than placebo and thus fail the rigors of double-blind testing.

Skepticism is a healthy precursor to knowledge.


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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 09:47:07 PM »

Skjaldborg,

I am happy to be corrected about the tunica. Thank you.

I respectfully disagree with your comment on herbs.  I was not fully clear but I will take responsibility for that.

Big parma does not want to sponsor research that will likely conclude a non-patentable substance is the best solution for some problem.  Even if it may be. They can't patent a whole herb so they try to do what you suggested and extract an isolated ingredient that works for some condition and sythesize it.  An old example would be aspirin.  It was originally made from the willow plant.  The thing about herbs is that all of it's many ingredients work together to make it work.  It is often not just one ingredient alone and it is not always easily understood.  This is the idea behind whole food nutrition.

Of course not every  plant or herb is usefull but enough Herbs have plenty of medicinal value if applied appropriately.  Some very popular examples are mushrooms. Many mushroom have tremendous medicinal value in their whole form or in simple extracts. Reishi mushroom is an approved treatment for certain types of cancer in Japan and other countries.  They have a much safer track record than phamaceticals and have fewer negative effects as they are gentler and work in harmony with your body. 

Hippocretes said let food be your medacine.  I am not here to defend the 1000's of years of herbal practice.  But, Your comments appear to trivialize and diminish it and I think that is too bad if you honestly feel that way.  Also, I am not here to change your mind.  I just want others who may be unfamilar with herbs to hear an opposite view.

You can have the last word if you feel compelled.

I am going to try the Gotu Kola.

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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2012, 10:15:04 PM »

In regards to pharmaceutical regulation in the US, the FACT is that the FDA receives substantial income from "fees" paid by the pharmaceutical industry.  Thus FDA employees DEPEND on healthy pharmaceutical companies for their daily bread.  That changes the whole way they look at their job.  And WHY would a drug company in their right mind investigate and patent and synthesized component of an herb when they would risk ending up competing with the dirt cheap raw herb itself?  These companies, like the banking industry, go for ZERO risk and only ZERO risk or at least as close to it as possible.  That is why these days close to ZERO drugs are produced from botanicals.  They are ALL chemical or biotech derivatives because that is where the big money is.
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2012, 11:58:10 PM »

goodluck,

Please do not take my comments as attacking you. That was not my intent. This forum, as well as other forums that deal with rare, embarrassing or otherwise tragic diseases, often become bombarded by herbal remedies backed by junk science, or no science at all. People on forums like ours are desperate for a treatment that works, and that vulnerability, in my experience here, is more often exploited by someone peddling herbs rather than mainstream pharma products. Even if these products end up not being harmful, the false hope and dollars wasted can be very demoralizing.

Just to be clear, I said many herbs are worthless, not all. There are certain botanicals that have been used successfully for generations because they do actually work, even if they have not yet been evaluated and I understand that.

I was honestly not trying to be argumentative. In threads such as these I think it's important to emphasize reason. An open mind requires equal parts cautious optimism and healthy skepticism.

P.S. Hippocrates also said: “There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.”

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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2012, 08:17:26 AM »

My view would be, that as with any viable possible solution, give it a try. As we've seen, what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another. If it doesn't cost a fortune, and it's not liable to do you any harm, why not?
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2012, 10:37:46 AM »

It is certainly true that what works for one may not work for another.  BUT ... what works for five out of ten is MUCH more likely to work for YOU than something that has been previously tried by ten and hasn't worked for ANY who tried it.  AND what works for five out of ten is STILL MUCH more likely to work for you than a random substance that has never been reported to work by anyone credible.  And if the person who SAYS something works just happens to be quoted on a website that is trying to SELL you something, I do NOT consider that to be credible.  Bottom line ... GO with those substances that have been tested by independent researchers and have been shown to work at least SOME of time BEFORE you waste your time and money on a bunch of wishdreams.  There are literally thousands of herbs and herbal formulas out there.  Maybe one of those works.  But until that one has been identified, you could waste your whole life trying them one by one and get no where.  Better to use that which has been shown to be effective and work from there.  On this I agree completely with Skjaldborg.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2012, 11:08:43 AM »

I understand what you're saying, George. Obviously, not a first line treatment. However, if you've tried most of the more conventional remedies, with little or no success, why not try something that has mixed opinions as to it's validity as a possible effective treatment? It may just work for you.
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2012, 05:35:54 PM »

Gotu Kola is one amongst many supplements I'm taking. I made this list in my intro post but here it is again:

Horny Goat Weed Complex -- 1200 mg
Korean Ginseng Extended Release -- 1000 mg
GPLC Glycine Propionyl L-Carnitine HCl-GlycoCarn 1000 mg PLC per serving
Long Jack PowerMax 200 -- 200 mg
Solaray Damiana Leaves -- 370 mg
Solaray Fenugreek Extract -- 350 mg
Forskolin 50
Maca Extract -- 525 mg
Green Tea Extract - Standardized -- 500 mg
AAKG 3000 L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate Powder -- 3000 mg per serving
L-Glutamine Powder -- 4,500 mg per serving
ALCAR Acetyl L-Carnitine -- 500-1,000 mg/day
Pycnogenol® -- 100 mg
PABA Caps -- 500 mg
Mega EFA® Omega-3 EPA & DHA Fish Oil -- 2,126 mg per serving
Muira Puama Bark
Grape Seed Extract
Zinc -- 50 mg
Citrulline Malate -- 2000 mg
Vitamin E d-Alpha And Mixed Tocopherols -- 400 IU
Gotu Kola -- 950 mg per serving
Niacinamide (Vitamin B-3) - No Flush Niacin -- 500 mg
Glutamine Powder
Ubiquinol -- 100 mg.
Quercitin
tribulus terrestris -- 1,000 mg
D-Aspartic Acid -- 5 g


I've been taking these for only about a month and a half so it's too early to say if there's been any progress. However, my libido is off the charts.

I know this stuff can be expensive but I buy almost everything at www.vitacost.com. Great prices and the quality is good.

I buy the D-Aspartic Acid and the tribulus terrestris at www.bodybuilding.com and the Ubiquinol at Costco.

I urge everyone to check each one of these supplements and make a determination if it will work into your program and budget.

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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2012, 05:47:51 PM »

I think maybe you should consider upping your intake of ALC. 250mg is not much. This seems to be one of the few potential remedies that has some weight behind it.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2012, 07:40:24 PM »

I think maybe you should consider upping your intake of ALC. 250mg is not much. This seems to be one of the few potential remedies that has some weight behind it.

Sorry, my bad. Actually the size of the container is 250 grams. The dose I take is between 500 mg and 1,000 mg per day. Do you have a recommendation as to what may be a good dosage for the ALCAR? Please let me know. Thank you.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2012, 02:10:28 AM »

First of all, I would suggest that you buy both the ALC and the Arginine in powder form - it's far cheaper. The Arginine has a foul taste, so drink it quickly. Personally, I take about 6-7g of Arginine, and around 2-3G of ALC.
I notice that use use both DAA, and Tribulus. These are both claimed to be testosterone boosters. I use DAA myself. To be honest I'm not entirely sure of it's effectiveness. However it's not to be used on a continual basis - it should be cycled. Something like 2 weeks on - then 1 week off. Otherwise, your body becomes accustomed to it, and it's effectiveness is greatly reduced.
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2012, 03:25:29 PM »

First of all, I would suggest that you buy both the ALC and the Arginine in powder form - it's far cheaper. The Arginine has a foul taste, so drink it quickly. Personally, I take about 6-7g of Arginine, and around 2-3G of ALC.
I notice that use use both DAA, and Tribulus. These are both claimed to be testosterone boosters. I use DAA myself. To be honest I'm not entirely sure of it's effectiveness. However it's not to be used on a continual basis - it should be cycled. Something like 2 weeks on - then 1 week off. Otherwise, your body becomes accustomed to it, and it's effectiveness is greatly reduced.


Thanks for that info. With 2-3 grams of ALCAR, I will be bouncing off the walls. Maybe I will have to taper the additional into my system.

Please take a look at Citrulline Malate and share your thoughts. It is supposed to have a higher bio-availability of Arginine than Arginine itself.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2012, 02:03:34 PM »

goodluck,

Please do not take my comments as attacking you. That was not my intent. This forum, as well as other forums that deal with rare, embarrassing or otherwise tragic diseases, often become bombarded by herbal remedies backed by junk science, or no science at all...
Just to be clear, I said many herbs are worthless, not all. There are certain botanicals that have been used successfully for generations because they do actually work, even if they have not yet been evaluated and I understand that.

I was honestly not trying to be argumentative. In threads such as these I think it's important to emphasize reason. An open mind requires equal parts cautious optimism and healthy skepticism.

P.S. Hippocrates also said: “There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.”

Skjaldborg

I am not angry with you personally and I don't feel personally atacked.  My post may sound that way and I am sorry if it does. I said you can have the last word on this topic and I will honor that.  I do understand where you are coming from as a former Boss had a sign behind his desk saying " In God we Trust.  All others must bring data"

Just a note to Matt Foley.  You are on alot of supplements and some seem redundant.  When you take so many things it can get confusing  as to what is working for you and what may be working against you. Negative Interactions may exist that you would not suspect.

I would suggest taking your list and writing a brief line as to why you are taking each and identifying the redundancies and slowly eliminate some.
Sorta like why do you own a particular stock????.  I was taught that if you can't explain this in a simple and concise way you likely should not be in it.
Things change and it may have made sence  to own that stock at one time but does not any longer. 

I think the same way about my supplements.

You may want to take higher amounts of some things as you eliminate others.  For example Ubiquinol was tested to have success at the 300mg/day level.  Several of the items are testosterone boosters so it is no surprize your libido is high.  You may want to back off some in that area.

I had a freind who used Tribulus alone and he claimed it enhanded his libido.

Good Luck




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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2012, 03:25:59 PM »

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Just a note to Matt Foley.  You are on alot of supplements and some seem redundant.  When you take so many things it can get confusing  as to what is working for you and what may be working against you. Negative Interactions may exist that you would not suspect.

I would suggest taking your list and writing a brief line as to why you are taking each and identifying the redundancies and slowly eliminate some.
Sorta like why do you own a particular stock????.  I was taught that if you can't explain this in a simple and concise way you likely should not be in it.
Things change and it may have made sence  to own that stock at one time but does not any longer.

I think the same way about my supplements.


goodluck, thank you for your thoughts and support.

The reason I added this large variety of supplements is because they all work in a different way to achieve the same goals of higher testosterone and Nitric Oxide boosting. I had used the ingredient list from the nutritional listing on the backside of the bottles of various manufacturers to come up with this group. You'll see that a great deal of the multi-supplement bottles to have quite a few of these herbs but none had all of them. And, I wanted to increase the dosages of those supplements as well. So, yes, they all achieve either testosterone enhancement and/or Nitric Oxide boosting but for the most part, they do it in their own way.

However, now that I expect to pick up my prescription for the testosterone replacement medicine, Axiron, on Monday, I will delete the supplements that enhance only testosterone, i.e. Tribulus, and maintain only the Nitric Oxide boosters.


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You may want to take higher amounts of some things as you eliminate others.  For example Ubiquinol was tested to have success at the 300mg/day level.  Several of the items are testosterone boosters so it is no surprize your libido is high.  You may want to back off some in that area.

Thank you for that. I will definitely increase the dosage.


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I had a freind who used Tribulus alone and he claimed it enhanded his libido.

Let me add to that. If anyone here is lacking in libido, using my supplement list will put an end to it. I am far hornier now than I have ever been in my life. All I think about all day long is sex. I masturbate several times a day. I fondle myself constantly. I started reading up on "Hypersexuality Disorder" because I fit all the symptoms of being a Satyriasis. If I had a woman, she would never get any sleep. So, yes, I had to taper back a bit.  :)

Thanks again for your thoughts.

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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2012, 02:10:40 AM »

Thanks for that info. With 2-3 grams of ALCAR, I will be bouncing off the walls. Maybe I will have to taper the additional into my system.

Please take a look at Citrulline Malate and share your thoughts. It is supposed to have a higher bio-availability of Arginine than Arginine itself.

Thanks for that, Matt, it looks potentially interesting. First of all, I've still got the best part of 1kg of L-argentine to get through first.
If you're a gym regular, take a look at a product called Formeron. It's an Aromatase inhibitor. It works through the reverse loop. By inhibiting the body from converting a certain amount of Testosterone to Estrogen, it encourages the body to produce more Testosterone. It also enhances any Testosterone boosting supplements you may be using. Careful though, it's powerful stuff.

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2012, 10:58:21 PM »

Jonbinspain,

Nice. Thanks for that. I've been looking for an aromatese inhibitor. I appreciate the heads up.
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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2013, 11:25:35 AM »

Is anybody able to give us some feedback now on Gotu Kola and whether it has been useful? I was thinking of trying some.
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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2013, 04:58:53 PM »

The only feed back I have is that I was taking it regularly about the time I developed Peyronies Disease.
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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2013, 06:44:59 PM »

Wow. I wonder what role if an Gotu Kola might have had in your Peyronie's, Hawk. Maybe a coincidence? I stopped taking it because it wasn't a priority supplement and since I wasn't dealing with inflammation, it was easy to knock off.

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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2013, 07:31:48 PM »

Well, I have no reason to blame it but I fell if it did not prevent it it is unlikely to reverse it.
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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2013, 01:39:18 AM »

Yeah, I didn't see anything about it that interested me so I'm with you.

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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2013, 09:29:36 PM »

Gotu Kola helps me with mood stabilization / anxiety quite a bit.
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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2013, 07:03:49 PM »

I've been using gotu kola for awhile now, thinking it was gonna be the next big thing in my arsenal to help me cure my peyronie's; but now I'm coming to the conclusion it might have worsened it. It seems like with gotu kola my dick has gotten thinner, reducing penis recovery than before.

Also there is a gotu kola side effect that isn't very well known, but it will happen (and therefore you can know if it's genuine). But over time you will grow hair on your shoulders and back, and alot on the sides of your upper arms. Someone else posted this side effect on longecity as well. The hairs are dark black ones, the kind you see growing out of a huge mole on a Chinese guy in a kungfu movie.

Also I found out your erections/libido will suffer, really suffer even with cialis they won't be rock hard like they use to. I guess this has something to do with the relaxing effect it gives people mentally.

I bought so much of the stuff and now I'm gonna drop it after a month. I have been taking it for around 3-4 months. The herb is dirt cheap, so it's good value for money. I take 3 capsules a day. Here is the brand I currently take: http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Gotu-Kola-Herb-180-Capsules/4565
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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2013, 08:51:59 PM »

Very interesting Muff.  I actually notice LESS hair on my back/shoulders and strong libido.    However I am making a weak tea with the raw herb and likely getting 10% as much effective dosage as you.  Many herbs have a paradoxal effects in that there effect can be opposite when the dosage is increased.   I am not clear how Gotu Kola will help peyronies (I take it to cope with stress) but will look into this at some point as I am a Herbology student.  I would strongly suggest cutting  your dosage back , or stopping completely if it is not helping though.
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Re: Anyone tried Gotu Kola?
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2013, 09:05:36 PM »

Talked to my instructor today.  About gotu kola :

You can consume a huge amount with no likely detrimental effects. (it has no toxicity and is a food in india)
-a low dose is good for the brain and anxiety
-a large dose (ie 3 - 6 tsp/day divided doses of a tincture) are required for peyronies.
-it also can be applied topically for peyronies
-it is best to buy a tincture made from live plant (ie not dried herb)
-very good for inflammation, but will not completely resolve scarring or major bending.
-it takes a few months to show results

Also, I was told not to waste time buying capsules, they are dried low quality plant and not very effective.
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