A 2007 study of Verapamil vs. saline when delivered via microcurrent suggested that the electric current itself may have a curative effect. The abstract is on the Web by searching on "Greenfield", the primary investigator, and the first few words of the paper's title: "Verapamil versus saline in electromotive drug administration for Peyronie's disease ...".
An unexpected outcome was that the saline group had nearly as many (by %) patients improve as the Verapamil group. And more importantly, of the total of 42 participants, 11 (7 from the V. group, 4 saline) had >= 20º reduction in curvature. The suggestion is that the current itself played a significant role.
I did not find the entire paper, only the abstract, but the suggestion is clear.
I have a TENS unit and am going to experiment with it.
I am using a TENS unit before and after use of traction and VED devices. I created a new dance move accidentally when I was adjusting the dosage of intensity. Seriously, it really hurt. So be careful if you buy a new device that you're not familiar with
Are you using the tens ultra sound? Do you think it helps?
Really interesting, i missed this. Which results did you obtain with microcurrent?
I have to say that i had 33 injections of verapamil on the plaque, via IONTHOPHORESIS, so microcurrent, and i had an improvement of about 30% in plaque lenght (from 7 mm to 5 mm)and of about 15-20% in thickness (from 1.7mm to 1.4mm).
Hey Hope,
Wow, your progress with Iontophoresis are encourageing, that's great! What about their effect on pain, if you were/are still in the acute phase?
About the TENS unit, as said by 1seeker, I'm not sure I'm ready to manipulate such thing I'm absolutely noob with if it comes to my penis :/... But it could be interesting that someone with greater experience report here :-)!!
Dearest Gabriel,
My Peyronie is quite unique. I haven't (and never had) any pain. Furthermore, my penis begun to curve about 4 years ago.. so my acute phase should be already ended.
For these reasons, i can't tell you the results of iontophoresis on pain, unfortunately. But this treatment of verapamil via iontophoresis gave me good results. I'm considering to buy a iontophoresis machine and continue to do that alone..
Sorry I've been away, but thanks a lot for your answer Hope :-) !!
Having your own iontophoresis machine at home would be awesome; I wish you good relief with it if you come to it.
Let us know!
@Gabriel, it's not difficult to find a iontophoresis machine; the difficult part is to find Verapamil :)
Just FYI, the control was not the tens unit alone but in conjunction w saline injection-so the supposed curative effect can only be assumed to be both in combination and is most likely due to the % of those w some degree of spontaneous remission or placebo. Still, no reason not to try...
Tzsanchez, are you goin to give it a try?
This is basically what I am trying now.
I believe the way a TENS unit works is through the gate control theory. It basically fools your body into thinking there is no pain (spinal cord).
How this therapeutically benefits a scar I fail to see. Worth a try, I suppose.
Im reading a lot of articles like this but also government studies on the topic of electricity and wound healing...
My Story: Scar Relief Therapy – National Pain Report (http://nationalpainreport.com/my-story-scar-relief-therapy-8824928.html)
Services - What are TENS and EMS and how are they used? - Flaman Physiotherapy (http://flamanphysiotherapy.com/services/tensems)
I have a TENS / EMS ( Electronic Muscle Stimulator) machine that I bought recently. I bought it with the main diea in mind being to treat muscle and back pain I have from old injuries.
I've only used it once so far on the TENS setting. If this device , or any other similar one was to be used for Peyronies treatment, it would seem that EMS would be the way to go with it? I have copied and pasted here some of the text from Swiss' link . It erefernces breaking up scar tissue which is very interesting for us Peyronies sufferers. Ofcourse with it being such an unknown , it is quite a scary idea to be putting these pads and a charge like this through your penis! How did you all vet along with your experiments?
" MS treatment is focused on directly stimulating the underlying msucular structures. Higher power levels combine with frequencies in the range that promote msucle contraction are used. This can be used to fatigue a tight muscle to promote muscle relaxation, help break up scar tissue adhesions, restore lost joint motion through directed muscular contractiosn into the joint restriction, increase blood flow through creating an oscillating pumping action fo muscular contractions in an area, and relieve pain through general desensitization of the area from the direct stimulation to the muscles"
Seems cool. Did anyone try?
I wouldn't try it unless you've heard some success and found out what the protocol was. You don't want to induce any additional trauma.
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I've only used it once so far on the TENS setting. If this device , or any other similar one was to be used for Peyronies treatment, it would seem that EMS would be the way to go with it? I have copied and pasted here some of the text from Swiss' link . It erefernces breaking up scar tissue which is very interesting for us Peyronies sufferers. Ofcourse with it being such an unknown , it is quite a scary idea to be putting these pads and a charge like this through your penis! How did you all vet along with your experiments?
So have you tried it? I joined this site with exactly this question in mind. I have a TENS unit for an injury as well, and I know that it can be turned so far down that I don't even feel it.
As to safety... I know there are men who use it to masturbate hands free (no... I've never tried), so I don't think it is Dangerous, per se. My worry would be making things worse, but as you said, TENS treatments have been used for breaking up scar tissue.