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Hello!

I would like to introduce myself. I have been reading you for a good amount of weeks and would like to tell a little bit about my story, and hopefully it will be of some help to some other new people and in the process I can also learn better about how to improve mine :)

Most of what I will relate here, I have never shared it with any other human being... I've been always felt shame about this topic. Anyway, let's start.



Since I was 12-13, I had some congenital curvature on my dick. Kind of to the left, but not big. ((I have -or used to have lol- a bigger than average sausage, which I guess is a condition that helps produce Peyronie)). Anyway, I thought my curvature was from masturbation. I'm still not sure if it was caused by masturbation or natural. It's since I was 13-14 (I started masturbating at about that age).

Then everything was kind of normal for a few years, normal sex, normal erections, high libido.... but as years passed, I think my penis got some more of it, some minor fibrosis/small plaque I wasn't even aware of. My guess is from "rough" masturbation.

Then at age 25 I got  into some anxiety and depression road, and decided to take antidepressants. Big mistake. (BTW antidepressants are just barely better than placebo and come with a lot of sides, so please don't use them, there are a lot of better natural alternatives with no side effects!)

They had a major effect on me, maybe not so much on my libido, but rather on my ability to "feel". I used to cum rather quickly before that haha and after, I began experiencing problems getting to orgasm or even focus during sex, so yeah I guess they had some effect on my libido too, which until that point it was inmense lol

Then I quit with my gf at the time, and went with no sex for a long period, and when I masturbated, I kind of did it "hard". That probably caused some more plaque. And over the years, as I was seeing more curvature/plaque, I tried to "reverse" it, by executing opposing force while masturbating, in a rough way :( At the time it made sense to me I guess lol. It made things worse bit by bit.

After a few years, at age about 29-30, I had sex with variety of girls haha and I always used cialis. I felt like Superman lol
Then at age 31 I got another gf, and I stopped using cialis. I was able to have sex okay for the most part, but my erections were just ok/baddish. I had trouble to get to orgasm with sex and sometimes had to finish "manually" lol.

That was my sex life for the last 6-7 years. Actually since taking antidepressants, they were never back to the same. Probably the rough masturbation may have caused some nerve damage plus all the plaue. I also experienced very very rarely morning erections


Now I'm 34 and wanted to improve my condition

I've never went to an urologist. I never knew what I had, but from time to time investigated and I kind of thought that I could have this Peyronie's thing. At this day, I still don't know if I have it... I mean, I never had or have this crazy curvatures or angles I read here, like 45 or more... I might have had something like 15? at the most. But I did have some fibrosis, some plaques on my dick that's for sure, and it affected my ability to get and keep strong erections.

In the last months/year(s) I noticed my cock shrinking! That was too much for me. It used to be big, now it was more like an average size! So I decided to do something. First I read this forum about the oral supplements, and was taking a few for a couple months:

Suplements
Citruline 1200
Carnitine L-tartrate 1500
CoQ10 200mg
Grape Seed extract 380

For libido/antioxidants/several:
Maca
Aswagandha
Ginseng
Vit C
Vit D
Rhodiola rosea


I did note an improvement in libido for sure lol, better erections overall, with some morning wood but not really often, and I think no improvement at all in the plaque business.

VED + HEAT

Then I bought the somaerect stf device, and have been using it for 3 weeks. The first week I didn't use heat and didn't feel improvement.
But this last week I purchased the hothands stuff and it's really made a difference. I open it in the morning and use it intermitently throughout the day
First I feel my penis can enlarge much more, and overall feels so much better
I tried to use the VED maybe a couple hours after masturbation and I really don't recommend it. If felt as my penis was... stiff? It couln't enlarge much.
But using it after 1-2 hours of heat feels great!! It feels like a spounge lol
Morning erections have come back at least for the last 2-3 nights!


I feel the biggest impact besides supplments has been from using VED WITH heat, not so much with the VED itself. I think VED is wonderful device. I've been pumping kind of quietly and I think I'm doing it the right way.

The procedure

I pump slooowwwly, maybe pump a little bit, wait 5 seconds for the blood to fill. Pump a little bit more, wait.. until I feel that if I pump more if feels "weird". Then quickly release just a bit and stay there for about 10 seconds, then release all pressure, then start again. I think the key is to feel a pleasurable stretch. Not the odd type of stretch where it feels weird. Maybe 10-15 cycles overall, sometimes twice a day.

I haven't felt any bad consequence you have mentioned here. Maybe at the beginning some discomfort, probably because I was using the wrong insert. At first I used the smaller black insert because my cock was too big for the small one I thought lol but the small one even my cock is somewhat trapped there lol feels better overall. I also use the A cilinder (at the beginning I thought it was too small again) and I can see the benefits and how it enlarges easily on it, soon it will reach the end of it! haha And also because probably was using it in cold, rather than after having heated my dick for some time, which I think makes a HUGE difference!!



I will maybe add Cialis 2.5 and Pentox, but for now I want to leave the heat plus ved for at least a month. It's too soon to tell, but I feel my cock feels bigger, more like a spounge rather than a stiff stuff, and I have more morning wood, more natural erections,... it feels so much better overall!


So I wil leave this post here for people that might read it. I feel a lot of gratefulness with this forum so wanted to give something back and maybe help someone in the future! And please, if you haven't, give VED+heat a try!! Even if you don't suffer Peyronie's, do it!! I feel the blood pumping into my dick is so good! haha I don't think I will ever quit using VED! It's so good for my cock, I can tell haha

And also I will leave this post as a diary and continue to tell my experience and see if I can get read of that F^@$!ng plaque and go back to normal strong erections! I probably forget to mention some details/stuff but if it's useful it will surely come back in future posts. Feel free to give me advice on how to use the VED or anything!

Hey there again!!

It's already been 3 weeks since I've been using my VED device.

I reported some progress using the heat+VED, but I would like to add some caution here:

It is definitely helping. I have slightly more spontaneous erections when sexual stimula (visual or my dirty mind lol) during the day (they are not that great these non-manualy induced erections sadly lol), but definitely more since I started with VED, and especially and definitely more morning wood!! There is a big, big difference there. Before, it was maybe 1 in 10 or 15 days that I woke up like that, and these last 3 weeks I would say it's been at least half days, probably more. Today I woke up a few times during the night, always with some degree of strength but every time wood!


The bad news is I'm still not so positive that the plaque/fibrosis/hourglass is shrinking/softening. The worst part for me is the shape it has nowadays. The first half is thick and hasn't changed in size. It is (or used to be) a big dick. 18cm and thickish, or decent thickness for the size at least.
But the second half has shrunk in a sort of triangle shape towards the left

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I mean, that is possibly a very ugly (uglier than reality) graphic description lol but I guess you get it.

There is definitely some plaque on the right side in the middle of the dick, right before it goes towards the left and is shrunk. So I guess that at least two fibrosis or plaque on the right side are what cause the shrinking and curving towards the left. As I mentioned before, probably I caused this to myself through rough masturbation. My guilt.

There is also some plaque, horizontally, on the upper facing-towards-my-face part, right before the glans. That could be
from an accident during sex, I don't remember. Could also be masturbation.

All combined, have made sex more difficult. Because being the upper part the more sensitive, and being smaller, when inside the vagina, the vagina uses to widen for the thickest part of the dick, which in my case is the lower part, so I often end up not feeling much with the glans. When on Cialis, that upper part kind of fills itself more, so I definitely had better erection. So unless I had a very nice erection it was hard to maintain a big erection, the fact that I didn't get one made sensing more difficult, so that's my first and biggest intention. Try to fill that empty on the right side of it. That was my biggest goal all the way


Also, for the last 2 years (don't know exactly when) I've been experiencing some decrease, in length and girth too! There was some aha moment a few months ago, my dick shape had changed!! It was more ugly when flaccid and definitely smaller, and now girls didn't tell me how big it is!!

So these two things (difficulty to feel a lot when on sex due to ugle shape) and also the shrinking in size was what got me to seriously search on these forums.


So that's what I've been trying to do.

I have used mostly the A cilinder for the first 2 weeks, and this last week more the B.

I like using the one that feels the best. I'm still having some trouble with the B or C cilinders. My problem comes that I feel pressure on the lower contact with the body (scrotal area) part. Not so much with the A or with the small insert.

Other problem I have experienced today is that the first half of my dick as i mentioned is thicker (that's how my whole dick was originally lol), so I experienced some discomfort when the veins around the dick were in pressure on the cilinder (basically I fill the A and B cilinders), I didn't know what to do, today was the first day that this happened.

Sometimes I feel a little discomfort overall, but if I pump quietly, I feel that within my dick I have everything under control. I haven't felt any discomfort or swelling after a session, I try to listen to my body a lot!!! Sometimes it prefers the A, sometimes B, sometimes big insert (kind of tight), sometimes the small insert.... Some days it allows me to fill the whole thing (it almost goes to the end), some days just 2/3... I feel the important part is listening to the body, and you kind of know what it can give you that day. For example, often the best is to start with A... then after maybe 5-6 minutes, I have already filled it horizontally (really only my glans fit when there is more blood), I can switch to B and it feels good. Etc.

I feel A is important because when I use it my dick seems right after removing it, seems more straight, whereas with C, the few times I've used it, it takes a curvature shape. So maybe in order to correct the triangle shape in the upper part I have to go with all of them.

Oh and another thing that I find amazing is putting the bathtub with water (I do it most of the days before taking a bath) and leaving for a couple minutes the cilinders under the warm water. It's so much better!! Really feels much much better to put your dick in a warm stuff than in a cold plastic.

I have practiced every single day so far, about 10-15 minutes, often 2 sessions a day, and intendo to do that for the next months, and, as I say, no bad feelings or discomfort after the sessions, or weird colors, or anything weird. Just better circulation I would say. Let's hope it continues that way, but I'm kind of worried about damaging the scrotal chord or something like that that I read here... I don't know, sometimes it's difficult to put the goddam thing, pump, and not have the feeling that it's sucking my scrotal area!! I stop whenever I feel that and try again "differently". Any advice on this is more than welcome! How to place the cilinder, where exactly to place it, facing what angle, I don't know, something that will help me not feel discomfort there! I don't want to damage my balls!


And I think that's it for today! I will continue for a few days with this A/B protocol that I'm mixing and giving me a good 'feel' :)

Hey man,

Sorry to hear about your condition. I recently started VED too and had similar issues with the scrotal area being sucked in. Some members here suggested that the diameter of the cylinder was too large and also advised to ensure no lube gets onto the scrotal area.

Some more experienced members may be able to advise you further.

I started pentox and cialis daily (5mg per day) about 9 weeks ago and definitely saw an improvement in erection quality and morning wood so I recommend you get a script for that ASAP.

I'm also starting manual traction and I feel it helps a bit 20 minutes a day so far, have a look at NeoV's videos he does some good instructional vids.

You should also get the ultrasound if it's possible.

Keep at it, i've seen some slight improvement in curvature and erections from the above methods.

Hope things get better for you bro.

Hi jj!

Well today I tried cleaning the scrotal area plus the insert lower zone of the VED and it worked great!! I didn't feel most of this "sucking" feeling!

It definitely happens more with the bigger cilinders, but it's great that today it felt so much better by trying to keep dry that zone. I like how experiential this learning process is!

I'm in the process of moving to a different town, so when I do that, I will order some Cialis low dose, Pentox and also some traction device for sure! For now I'm raising NO levels with Citrulline, grape seed extract and dark chocolate :)

Ultrasound I'm not that certain about it, will search into it!

Thank you!


And on my report, today besides that improvement by drying this area, felt overall that trying to get a little excited also works better! I'm almost filling the cilinders, not so much left so that I can touch the end of it! Haha

Another change I do is start with A, then B and end with C. A right now is just for the first 2-3 minutes, I feel it too much, just the glan fills it when almost erected! B I've spent most of the time, and wanted to try C at the end. I think I will eventualy have to buy bigger cilinders!
But what I really really want is get rid of the lateral dent.

Happy pumping!  ;D

Hey guys!!

It's been almost 4 weeks since starting using the VED!

These last week or so I haven't been using Hothands for no particular reason, but what I have been making and I feel makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE is putting the cilinders in the bathtub with warm water right before using it (I always do it before having a nice bath), and the difference in temperature of the cilinder helps TREMENDOUSLY. Sometimes when I switch from A to B within the session I put B inside the bathtub (same from B to C), and I feel the difference is big. Blood wants to flow, my penis want to enlarge so to speak...

What else has been going on? I'm almost gone full on the longitudinal side of the cilinder (half an inch left maybe, I think I still have at least 2-3 more weeks for that to happen), and, even though I haven't felt much difference with the plaques (the ones in the right side particularly are the ones that F~@< with the shape and cause the dent), I may be feeling a tiny difference in sizing. Maybe, just maybe, it seems a little bit bigger when flaccid. I have looked at it and feel surprised, like, F~@< yeah, that's more like how you used to look like!!! haha
Longer, but also with less dent on the right side, more tubular you could say, so that's great to be surprised like that. And also the blood flow is overall better. About the progress in the plaque/fibrosis, I don't feel much for now.


So basically I'm doing it every single day, I think I skipped one day but because I feel from time to time it is good to give the penis a break, and maybe regrow? I'm not sure how the process works, but I'm playing all by ear here and I think it's worked so far very well! But bottomline is I'm eager to do it! I enjoy it and experience great pleasure in doing it :)

Also, as I mentioned in the last message, I'm mixing A, B and C DURING the same session. I start with A, then B, then go to C. And man I definitely feel the progress! At the beginning, B was too much and it was uncomfortable on the bottom, felt bad. But now I make it almost full with no problem at all! And also on the wide part of it!!! I don't have to take especial care to dry my balls lol as I have to do when using C. It feels comfortable, and my balls don't get sucked by it! Haha, it's great, and no I haven't experienced any edema or anything bad, no bad effects at all which is great. And btw, I'm just using A just for the first couple minutes. After that, it really feels tight and I see my penis covering every freaking part of the cilinder lol
I will buy bigger cilinders for the future, but for now B and C will be enough...

Also, this same problem I had with the B of sucking my balls and excesive pressure in the lower part of the penis, I'm having it with the C cilinder, and I guess it will go away too. So I just leave C for the end of the session, when my penis is more warmed up and "bigger", and do it for 2-3 minutes. So my sessions are usually:

A: 2-3 minutes (then it goes absolutely full)
B: 10 minutes
C: 2-3 minutes (feels not really comfortable)

But overall I would say the progress is great! More morning woods too and NTE

I am eager to try Pentox and Cialis plus traction! It will start in a few weeks too.

Anyway, all good here :)

I would like to thank also to Old Man for his help through private messages :)

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So much pressure!!!  ;D
Now that I have an audience I guess I will have to make a few pics of my dicks just so that I can show the before/after when I get rid of these f~@ing plaques and regain my size!!!  8) :D


Today the session was ok, and very enjoyable, I actually enjoy a lot the therapy with the A cilinder and since the last week or so the B cilinder too! Really, can't stress enough how good it feels to put your dick inside the cilinders when they are hot. I would say, with the lube and the heat, it's about 25% the feeling of a vagina haha your dick just wants to expand and the blood flow! lol


The C cilinder, though... still feels weird. I see not much progress with it, my dick doesn't expand very well as with the other two... I feel discomfort easily and have to back up, the discomfort comes especially in the lower part BEFORE my dick gets to expand to an equal sizing I get with the other two cilinders.

I will be extra careful with the lower/scrotal area being completely dry and also, simply not using it when I'm not excited, because I feel I have to be somewhat excited to make the C cilinder work. I didn't mention that so far, but for me thinking about f~@<ing some girl or exercising the PC muscles really helps too!

Will continue using it on a daily basis and even twice a day and will report next week, hopefully by then I feel no more discomfort with C cilinder :)

Allright, some progress here!!

I've done so much progress in the last days that I'm afraid I might have been overpumping!! I mean, I have got such big dick inside the cylinder! And I'm not trying to overpush or anything, I just let it come easily, I just let my body decide when it's too much and it tells me by showing discomfort... So I don't think I have overpumped cause I haven't had any pain or any sort of discomfort during or after the sessions. No weird colors neither or anything you have related here, nor the kind of discomfort in the scrotal area I was experiencing especially at the beginning.

So I'm getting extremely close to filling the whole thing!
A now: too small. Just as warm-up for 2-3 minutes.
B: Perfect sizing!! My dick fills it on the longitudinal side and almost on the wide side, so it feels perfect right now and enjoy it a lot. The curvature when the penis comes out of the cylinder is small, but definitely it doesn't come straight. I will need more weeks or even months for that I guess...
C: Now the C cylinder for the last couple sessions felt "kinda" comfortable!! Just a little bit, I got to enlarge to a good sizing with my dick which helped with the seal! For the first time I managed to get a good extension with C cylinder. I want to enlarge the right side of my dick so badly lol but it won't do much for now.


Also, overall my erections overall are improving, and I feel overall my penis health is better: Blood flow has definitely improved.
Now, curvature and plaque... not so much. I mean, the dick is enlarging as I definitely see a progress from the first sessions when B was uncomfortable to this week (finishing week 4) when C is starting to get comfortable, and overall my penis looks a little bit nicer, but you see it everyday right? haha so it's hard to track the progress.
I guess something has to be going on with the sizing, but I still don't feel much. The plaques are old friends, I'm not sure if they are soft/fleshy or hard? I guess in between, but they've been with me for a few years so I guess it will take some time for them to dissolve, I don't know how the F~@< is this supposed to happen lol


Also I haven't been eating very well lately so that won't help. When I get to Pentox/Cialis plus traction (I can't wait!) I will make an extra effort to have a better food intake and eliminate alcohol/soda etc. Any advice on that? Anything else I could do? I mean, besides supplementing Pentox/Cialis/Citrulline/Grape seed extract all of them for blood flow, Q10, vit C as antioxidants, then obviously the VED therapy, Hothands for heat, traction I will investigate into it too, I will eliminate acid foods like alcohol/sodas... not sure if there is anything else I can do. Doing all that is really giving my best shot here, I hope it works and curvature (about 15 degrees maybe, depends on how erect it is) improves, as well as plaque/fibrosis on the right side and upper central part.


That's it for now! Next week will continue to tell about improvement, I'm pretty sure I will get to touch the end of the cylinders by next week so I'm not sure what I can do! Haha I guess I will have to buy larger cylinders, Old Man was very nice and sent me a contact to order longer/wider cylinders :)

Happy pumping!

Hi again!!

So I think I just finished week 5 and halfway on week 6 and would like to make an update, today I won't talk about my experience with VED, which is kind of similar, but more of what happened to the penis health overall after 5.5 weeks:



1-Erections
Oh my!!! Did I mention I had experienced in the past some problems with erections? Yes I did lol. Well, the more I use the VED, the better the erections are!! They have been absolutely fantastic this week, like crazily good!!!  ;D

I stopped taking citrulline about 10-15 days ago, but shortly after that went back to grape seed extract, so in regards to supplementation is a big question mark, not sure how it's affecting it... Also some say Citrulline gets in your system after 2 months of supplementation (not sure about this claim truth, I read it somewhere, so who knows...)

But omg!! Erections are great!! If I had to guess I would say it's due to VED because this last week I've been using it very often twice a day... And my belief is that VED is great for erection quality (at least when there was some problem before, as it was in my case due to the plaque)



2-Sizing: Length/girth
There is definitely an improvement in sizing!! My flaccid sizing is bigger. It's definitely a little longer, I'm 100% sure of that (I'm sure there is still some length to regain from my original condition), and regarding to girth... inconclusive... I would say when flaccid, girth is maybe a little bit bette, but overall I feel girth is about the same, maybe, just maybe, a little bit thicker especially on the upper part which was the one wit indentation.
So, definitely a little longer, and possibly a little bit thicker.


3-Plaque/Fibrosis
Sadly, there is no improvement regarding plaque...  :( :( :( :(
It feels about the same. If any, some backward progression as I have removed temporarily the antioxidant supplements plus masturbated more lol which I don't think is good at all for my plaque and actually what I think caused it in the first place... (even these days I can't help it lol)... But if I had to guess, I would say overall just the same. There is still indentation, curvature, and about the same plaque, so no improvement whatsoever I think.
I will try hard on supplements once I can get all of them, adding Cialis low dose daily and Pentox, and maybe buy some traction device, and then try also diet (eliminate sugars), intermitent fasting, etc. But I will go hard on all of them at the same time, not for now. I gotta get all them and then really try hard on it and see if I can get rid of the plaque on the right side that provoques the indentation.


So,
Definitely better erections
Bigger sizing: more length, maybe more girth
Plaque/fibrosis, about the same


I will report after I get all my supplements and will try to hit hard on that F^@$!ng plaque!!!
Any additional advice on how to go hard  ;D on it? Any advice/supplement/whatever will be welcome!

Quote from: jj21 on March 24, 2019, 10:28:23 PM


You should also get the ultrasound if it's possible.

Hey jj, when you mention get the ultrasound if possible, were you referring to making a test with it to see the nature of my plaques?

If that's what you meant, how could I know if I have calcification withouth going for the ultrasound? It would be difficult to go to my doctor and will be for some time...

I would say... the plaques are noticeable by sight only if you pay close attention and only if the penis is kind of hard... they're not too big and more importantly not very hard... more like soft plaque, from 1 to 10 I would say... 3? They are definitely noticeable by tact, and definitely "solid", but also soft overall...

I¡, about to purchase some traction device (prob restorex as I wouldn't want to carry something there for 8 hours a day), read that calcification of the plaque might be bad for traction (and the overall treatment of Peyronie's)... and then remembered of what you wrote here.

Thank you!

Unfortunately, only ultrasound or MRI will indicate if plaque is present.  Traction  will not hurt if calcifid-just slower progress

Thank you, whenever I have the chance I will try to get an ultrasound or MRI!

But it's not something I should rush for, anyway first I will go for:

Traction + VED + Heat + Supplements + better diet/fasting

and give them some few good months. If after that neither the curvature nor the plaque has improved I will consider other options! But I'm very confident it will improve when I hit with all them together lol

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Allright, I think it's about time I start to put some pics of the "before" lol

First pic is my dick on Cialis.

I can't get this kind of erection without the drug.

Second pic is "not enhanced" erection lol
This one in particular looks very good though, as I was mentioning they're very good lately after 5.5 weeks of VED, but it's not a common thing that they are that strong

And now let's get to the ugly stuff lol

There you can see the plaque. I mentioned it was hard to spot without erection, but there it is.

Right side:
At least 2,prob 3,each smaller than the other one. Very likely caused by rough masturbating ñ. I think I was executing too much pressure esp on the right side due to my inability to feel because of antidepressants almost 10 years ago as I mentioned in my first post in this topic. There is one big plaque, then one more on top of it smaller, and maybe 1-2 even smaller. I think the 2+ of them are what gives the indentation and smaller girth in the upper part of the penis  :(
That's what I'm trying to get rid of mainly. I don't know how lo g how they've been there, but the curvature has been there for all my life, growing eventually and the plaque wasn't there before taking antidepressants.

And then there is another one, bigger, on the upper part horizontal right below the glans. Caused maybe by accident during sex? I don't know. That one is definitely bigger than the one on the right side, but the good think is I think is newer, maybe just 5 years. I think this one makes my glans smaller and it's been tough for sex too as it's made feeling with the glans more difficult.
Also wanting to get rid of it.

Obviously there is not a big degree of curvature like other cases I have read here, but still has made sex more difficult, it has affected my erections for sure, and my ability to feel during sex. It's really sucked for years.

So hopefully in a few months I can post some "after" pics and my dick will look much more beautiful lol

Your penis looks good dude, no joke. Are you sure you definitely have Peyronies? I would get an ultrasound like mentioned. And it doesn't even look curved lol! Mine looks similar to yours. I hurt my penis masturbating hard. I haven't lost any size or anything. I will eventually check with a doc though. I need to get insurance since I'm in United States :P medical care is freaking expensive. For a long time I had hourglassing, but, that went away by itself. Occurred when partially erect. I also have morning wood too and my flaccid penis doesn't have that hard flaccid BS like it use to.

Well there are a few things that are definitely Peyronie's!! Namely:

-Indentation on the upper right part. There is clearly a loss of girth in the top 50% of the shaft. It's made sex more difficult without Cialis

-Loss in sizing in the last years, particularly the last 2-3 years. Loss flaccid and loss when hard

-Ugly shape when flaccid in the last 2 years (now it looks better after 5.5 weeks using VED) (actually the veins you see, for 2-3 years were gone, exactly during the same period that shrinking took place!! They came back just shortly after starting to use VED)

-Plaque. There is plaque and I can feel it and you can see it km the pics. The one before the glans is very noticeable by touching it. It feels very odd, like if I had some plastic on it or something

-Problems during sex due to the mentioned before/problems with erections

-Lack (or very little) morning wood for many many years


Considering all this problems which many are simply objective fact, the lack of penis health and the response to VED, I would tend to think that yes for sure there is something wrong with it and yes possibly I do have it.

I will check whenever I have the chance for ultrasounds.


Regarding your case, be careful. You seem young. When I was younger I didn't experience loss of size for many years.
I would try using VED of maybe traction, some treatment with no sides of done correctly (bed is just fantastic. And would recommend it to everyone) and try to improve your condition now that you're young and your body has better capacity to cure itself! Don't wait till you're 34 like me and you've lost length girth and plaque has been there for 5-10 years!

Noted. I will definitely be proactive. I masturbated rough one day without any lubricant. Gripped so hard that I had ongoing pain for a little over a year. At it's worst the hourglassing was literally an hourglass. IDK why I gripped so hard that day. Anyways. I have to get a checkup asap. I still have a bit of pain and waisting when partially erect. But I still get fully erect and also can masturbate without pain. I'm just hoping that I didn't damage the corpus cavernosum. So I may need an MRI for that I suppose. Also. The pics you have shown. Are they Before and Afters? Like the last one? Also how much length and girth have you lost over the years?

lol no, the pics are all about the same period, just within the last month. No before and after yet lol

Some pics can be misleading, that's why I wanted to uploaded a few. Actually in the pics looks a little better maybe than in reality where curvature could be something like 15 or even 20 degrees depending on the type of erection or other factors...

Also, wanted the plaque on the right side to be visible. It's definitely there on the right side, 2-3 plaques, plus the sort of hourglass below the glans, just one plaque, horizontal, which is absolutely there, feels like an inert plastic so to speak.


About length and girth it's hard to say, I really don't know. I think I measured it a few years back and it was 18cm length -about 7 inches- (erect, just random normal measure not the one that goes all the way to the bone)... that was before the shrinking. Girth I truly don't know, but I think girth I just lost in the upper part. I think the lower part remaisn the same. So if you draw a paralel line from the lower to the upper part... the indentation, thats what I lost in girth and why I lost sensitivity in sex.

I know that thanks to VED I recovered for sure some lenght. Also for sure some flaccid girth in the upper part (that's great! my penis looks so much better when flaccid after 5weeks on VED), and I'm sure I will continue to recover more. Overall, it feels a little bigger, definitely longer and probably thicker too.

I would say: don't wait.
Go for urologist whenever you can, and start saving for a good VED device. VED if done properly is absolutely great and healthy. For me, it feels great. My erections and overall penis health are so much better

Okay thanks man. Also thanks for being positive too. Proactively helping others too.

Allright made another pics, not hard and not "touching" or "modeling" it. At the very beginning of VED session.

I hope now you can appreciate better how I am a cripple too like all you guys lol

Where exactly is the plaque located? What does a plaque feel like? Btw. The hourglassing effect I have is definitely not as pronounced when semi erect as it use to be. I'm wondering how VED is different from having regular erections like I have after a year of ED lol. You think it's possible I'm still recovering?

Lumineer, it seems your penis is wider at the base than at the top, at least when flaccid/semi-erect, and as it gets erect, it gets more evened out. I have a very similar problem. Actually, I would say I have an identical problem. Same shape. Mine goes away completely or 99% when fully erect. Is this your case too?

I am not sure if you have a problem on the right side, or on the left side. Or if you also have fibrosis in the veins. VED will help with fibrotic veins, for sure. With plaques, Pentox and traction might work better. Anyhow, it seems to me that your penis is going to the left because there might be a plaque on the left side, beyond any fibrotic veins on the right side. Keep us posted!

Quote from: program4004 on April 17, 2019, 05:37:06 PM
Where exactly is the plaque located? What does a plaque feel like? Btw. The hourglassing effect I have is definitely not as pronounced when semi erect as it use to be. I'm wondering how VED is different from having regular erections like I have after a year of Erectile Dysfunction lol. You think it's possible I'm still recovering?

The plaque is for sure on the right side, right before the penis starts to lose girth.

There is another one right before the glans, it's horizontal and covers about 60% of the girth.

Both seem a little harder these days btw with my regime of less VED more masturbation more eating crap lol

I have no idea on the particularities on your case so I couldn't tell lol. U gotta figure out what's causing the ED I would say

Quote from: krazylord on April 18, 2019, 05:12:46 AM
Lumineer, it seems your penis is wider at the base than at the top, at least when flaccid/semi-erect, and as it gets erect, it gets more evened out. I have a very similar problem. Actually, I would say I have an identical problem. Same shape. Mine goes away completely or 99% when fully erect. Is this your case too?

I am not sure if you have a problem on the right side, or on the left side. Or if you also have fibrosis in the veins. VED will help with fibrotic veins, for sure. With plaques, Pentox and traction might work better. Anyhow, it seems to me that your penis is going to the left because there might be a plaque on the left side, beyond any fibrotic veins on the right side. Keep us posted!

F~@< I didn't even know there were some thing as fibrotic veins!! Lol

I've read a lot of times that curvature goes towards the plaque side, but in my case Im not sure about it! I guess ultrasound will help put light on that

I'm very eager to start Pentox/low dose Cialis + plus traction, it will take a while for me to be able to get both so for now will be just VED which so far is not being of much help with plaque (maybe it would take much longer as my plaque is old) but overall is being great for penis health and erections.

I will keep posted, I will beat that crap for sure lol

Sounds good, Lumineer. Good luck.

Hey Krazylord, I was wondering if you found out if your damage is strictly the tunica albugenia or within Corpus Cavernosum? Same for Lumineer if you know exactly where the damage is located?

lol I don't even know the difference between tunica albugenia and corpus cavernosum, could you explain to me very quickly?

Tunica is the elastic sheath around the spongy portion of the penis (where the penis gets engorged for erections) if you look at a diagram of the penis you will see the many layers and segments of it. Around the tunica and corpus Cavernosum is the bucks fascia which is a fibrous sheath for everything else. That's what usually ruptures when men get penile fractures because it's stitched during erections.

F~@< that was intense!!

I was going to purchase through parcl the Restorex device

I found this bitch:

https://www.parcl.com/f/12939/

And none of the other options (with more reviews) that were offered to me to resend from the US were of my taste, so I kinda say well F~@< it with the not-many-reviews girl haha big mistake!!! I almost fall for it. Phew!

I sent the payment through Paypal, at first it got denied a few times, but then finally got through and I got an SMS from Paypal telling me to confirm if that transaction was legit or not. I called them and said yes, and while was doing that, I got messages from her on Parcl telling me to "Confirm receipt" and I'm like... hmmm the Paypal guy alredy told me it had been confirmed... so I tell her that and that I will call them again, and she says no, you have to go to your Account > Activity and Confirm receipt so that tha shipments goes through. And I'm like, confirm receipt? That is not when the item comes to you and you confirm everything is okay?

So I'm like I'm not gonna do that, then she starts sending a lot of messages and calling me on whatsapp, but finally got to call Paypal again and they open a dispute and later on I guess she recieved that and she realized she was not gonna scam me, so she cancels the order and money cames back. I was calmed as the Paypal guy told me on the phone it would take about 10 days but that I would either get the restorex or my money. He said: well, what type of item is it? And I'm like, yeah... medical lol

F^@$!ng bitch making me waste my time lol

Will try someone more reliable even if it's more expensive! I was gonna pay the bitch (I know she was a woman cause I talked to her on whatsapp) 595$ (100$ extra)


Regarding my treatment, process has been stable with not much improvement, erections are still good, but plaque is just the same, zero improvement there, it's like VED is not doing anything to plaque :(
Curvature... about the same I would say

But I guess I gotta be winning some size? I'm already getting the cylinders full! B is almost too tight at times, C getting more and more confortable, and it's days since I was able to touch the end of the cylinder! So some progress there, but plaque and curvature... not so good, let's hope Restorex+Pentox+Cialis will do it! I will order too some Cialis+Pentox, anyone knows a reliable website that ships to Europe?

F^@$!ng bitch! lol

Hang in there. It can take 3-9 months to see improvements.

Remember improvements are very subtle - you may not notice them until months later.

Quote from: jj21 on May 01, 2019, 09:41:44 PM
Hang in there. It can take 3-9 months to see improvements.

Remember improvements are very subtle - you may not notice them until months later.

I guess!! Erections are much better for sure, length/girth just a little better. And I guess there's gotta be some elasticity in the tissue as now I reach the whole length of the cylinder, the B cylinder feels almost too small at times and C is feeling more and more comfortable. So that's a way to definitely track some progress. But the plaque/fibrosis... not so much sadly  :-\


I also have a problem with Restorex shipment. I have had problems with the 3 senders that were suitable for the job!
One was the woman I mentioned, very very likely a scammer. She was literally telling me to go ahead and confirm receipt. I hope she doesn't scam anyone else.
The second one gave me a very high offer and also he didn't accept to change custom value, meaning I would have to pay 250$+ extra for the shipment (150$ for sending plus about 100$ taxes).
The third one was asking for 10% price of the product just for the processing fee (besides other fees), I told him that it was simply too much (it's just going to restorex website and buying it! usual fee is about 20$) and he got angry and didn't want to make business with me lol and he even made fun of me 'your penile device'

So for some reason I feel unlucky at Parcl.com and I haven't got any more offers there  :-\

So I kindly ask to someone that might read that:
If anyone knows another reliable system or website to buy/resend from the US
If anyone would like to do it himself (someone trustworthy in the forum as I would pay first!)


Until then I think I'm kinda waiting, will keep on using VED and will order Cialis and Pentox, by the way is this site legit?

I saw it mentioned in this forum if I recall correctly:

https://www.pharmacychecker.com/

If anyone knows another place to order Cialis+Pentox I'm all ears :)

Well, as I haven't been able to purchase through Parcl and nobody from the US here seemed to be able to help, I'm considering purchasing ESL40 until I get to some solution to purchasing Restorex. If in the meantime, anybody with reputation in the forum could do the shipment for me I would appreciate (plus send more money as appreciation for the trouble obviously, plus send the money in advance)

By the way, I have this crazy idea that Peyronie's and male pattern baldness might be related. Tendency to fibrosis? In both cases it seems to be the case!
It would be interesting to make a poll in the forum Norwood-Hamilton scales averaged by age! Ha!

This comes cause I've been doing a little bit of research on that too and I'm gonna add to my mix Taurine, which is an antifibrotic (I'm Norwood between 1 and 2 but with a lot of shedding in the last 2 months F~@<!)

Hey there Peyronie's!

Week 9 here  :D

Not much of a progress really  :(

Erections:

Same. More or less constant improvement for the first 5-6 weeks, then stabilization. Erections are good overall, definitely better than before starting the treatment.

Length/girth:

Maybe a little bit better. As I mentioned, my penis now reaches the end of the cylinders kind of easily and more often than not!!! It touches the end of the cylinder an the actual pump, and at the beginning it was maybe 1-2 cm away from it, so there's gotta be some improvement there. I think, btw, that the end of the cylinder is 20cm, so my sausage maybe was bigger than I thought!! (I said 18cm) hahaha

But really, not much of improvement for the last 3-4 weeks on that part neither I think, and when erect, seems about the same size, maybe plaque is blocking a bigger size, which leads me to...

Plaque:

That's the worst  :( I would say zero improvement since the beginning of the treatment regarding plaque. It feels exactly the same as at the beginning. VED seems not to be the solution for old plaque, as is mine  :( I don't know if it's calcified, I will perform ultrasound but that will take some long time I think, at least a couple months.
And curvature... I never had much of a curvature as you see in the pics, and VED should really be helping, as when I put my penis on the B cylinder it comes out more straightened, but I guess that's another very slow process if any improvement at all  :( Worst part is indentation in the right upper part as you can see in the pics, and not much improvement on that for the last 3-4 weeks neither.

I've been consistent with the use of VED for these last 3-4 weeks, minimum 6x/week, some days twice, so... not a lack of consistency!


Now, today I'm officially going to start with Pentox! 3x daily 400mg, I'm gonna take 2x/daily for a couple of days and if everything goes well I will go for 3x.
Still have to start Cialis and specially traction! Cialis is on the way  ::) but Traction... I still haven't found a way to ship it here (Europe) from the US. I'm putting most of my faith in Restorex!! I was really close to buying the ESL40, but then I looked at it and looked so sh!^^y... haha so I said ok let's wait for something to happen, I've been for at least 5+ years with these plaques so I can live a little longer.

I wish I could tell you guys I improved more, but for the last 4 weeks seems like not much at all; old plaques are tough: please be fast about it when you get injured and treat yourself ASAP!


Ps: I repeat, cause it's important:
If someone with reputation in the forum could buy it for me I would pay in advance plus some gratification
If someone knows another website besides Parcl to ship to Europe I'm all ears  :)

Super happy for you man! Seems like your condition is pretty mild like mine is. I can't wait until I'm able to find a great doctor that will be patient with me and help me out. I'm lucky my size hasn't changed lol! It just feels quite sensitive after masturbation. Should I continue with heat everyday?

Good to hear bro, some progress is better than no progress. Some people here didn't see results with VED till after about 6 months so keep at it.

Might also want to consider adding heat therapy - I've been using the hand warmers lately and my penis seems more full and healthier while it's applied.

JJ

Okay will do. It's weird. Like everytime after I masturbate or after nocturnal erections my penis hurt slightly. But all other times my penis feels okay. And to note, it's almost like my penis is in a semi erect state most of the day. Very weird. I don't take anything. I'm overweight and have a bad sleep schedule lol. But yeah, rn I'm tryingto diet to lose weight. I'm just calorie counting. Anyways, I'll look for a job that provides medical care to see if I can get an ultrasound already. Also do heat therapy.

Allright, Week 10 is there:

Erections:

Same. Happy on that!  ;D

Length/girth:

I think I'm starting to see some real improvement! There has definitely been some progress, at least with the VED.

First, both B and C cylinders are simply too short for my length. I remember when I started to use the somaerect, with the A cylinder, I was maybe 1-2 cm short of reaching the end (more like 1cm after I had warmed some days, but still impossible to reach it), and now from almost the very beginning of the VED session I can reach it relatively easily, and it actually has become a problem, as my dick would like to enlarge more, but it's physicaly not possible to pump more as the glans is blocking the holes from which the air is removed! lol

So not sure about flaccid/erect lenght improvement (you see your dick everyday, so it's this kind of thing that it's easier to notice than others than yourself I guess haha), but anyway, at least with the VED, there has been some nice 1-2cm improvement.

Now, about the girth the progress has been slower, but this week I was looking at it both in flaccid and erect state and both times I kind of felt that the upper part was more filled (as I say, both flaccid and erect which is great).

Now, with the C cylinder I think I still got some room to grow on the width side, but I'm slowly making it full more and more. It's still definitely somewhat uncomfortable, especially at the beginning due to it being too wide for my penis and pulling or when I don't make my balls dry lol (I know I could make more effort to dry the lower area, but I never allow it to reach levels of big discomfort anyways), so I would like to buy a longer but not wider cylinder.

I see on one post of this forum that C cylinder has 8 inch length and 56mm girth. Compared to B cilinder that's 20-25% extra width. I see that the XLL Extra Large Long, has 63mm width, about 10-15% extra girth than the C cylinder. And of course, some nice 10 inch length for God gifted guys like me ;D

So anyway, B cylinder starts to feel short definitely on the length but also on the width which is great.

BTW, I cannot understand how one could hurt himself with the somaerect, I mean I was so scared at the beginning reading all this bad stories and permanent damage stuff!! I cannot imagine what one would have to do to his own penis in order to damage it!! Be gentle, listen to your body, that's all.

Plaque/Curvature:


Hard to say, but I've been on Pentox for a week.

Actually that's pretty bad and I would like to comment on that.

Cialis (generic) arrived today. I ordered it from a Pharmacy online. I ordered the 5mg as it was way cheaper (per mg) than the 2.5mg, and decided to take half every day. Anyway, since today it was the first day I took whole 5mg pill.

I have taken Cialis in the past. About 10-20mg often, for one night stands. Often for a boost, but sometimes without it I probably wouldn't have been able to perform minimally at all. So I know it well. And I know sometimes what it can feel with sides.

And I have taken the real Cialis and the online pharmacy Cialis, and overall I would say the online pharmacy Tadalafil is weaker and less consistent with strength, at least that was my experience. It could be very strong sometimes, and others you could take it and not feel it almost at all. That happened way less often with the real Cialis.

Having said that, today I decided to take the whole pill, since it was the first day (I thought given it stays at least 36 hours on your system, after a few days there would be close to 5mg in your system at every moment)... but then started to feel pretty bad sides not long after that. I felt some minor sides I had feltin the past with 10-20mg doses, only much stronger. I still can feel it after 6-7 hours  :(

I got scared. Thing is I'm also taking some supplements that affect nitric oxide and blood pressure/blood flow as you know: Arginine (1000mg), Grape seed extract (380mg), Curcumine, Green Tea, Vit C, Taurine, ALA, ALCAR, Panax Ginseng,... also Pentox 2x daily... all of them have some effect on NO/Blood pressure/blood flow (maybe that's why erections are so good lately lol). But started to feel some bad sides:
Numbness in arms/legs, kind of feeling of disorientation (not lower back pain, no), some dizziness... got pretty scared! Laid in bed to sleep, very uncomfortable overall. Now I still feel them but less intense fortunately. My legs mix between numb or as if too much blood was reaching through them, don't know how to explain better.


All this makes me realize how stupid I am for buying this stuff online from some random pharmacy. I think Cialis generic is available now in Europe since 2017 or 2018 and it's somewhat cheaper than the brand one, so I should have gone for it and spend the extra money on some safety laboratory and not that Indian crap or wherever this thing is from  :(

Allright, that's it for now! Let's see how therapy works with VED+Pentox+Cialis, I will continue to report

Quote from: jj21 on May 10, 2019, 11:38:26 PM
Good to hear bro, some progress is better than no progress. Some people here didn't see results with VED till after about 6 months so keep at it.

Might also want to consider adding heat therapy - I've been using the hand warmers lately and my penis seems more full and healthier while it's applied.

JJ

Oh yes and sorry about that... Yes I have continued but very randomly, I usually remember in the evenings and then if I open one it's gonna be a waste after the morning haha so I just let it go. For some reason don't remember about it in the mornings  :P

And yes totally agree, the days I use heat the penis seems so much better and the best proof is VED sessions are that much smoother at least for me  :)

At this point I feel I'm doing everything natural (as natural as Cialis/Pentox can be lol  ::)) except for traction, let's see if I can get the Restorex at some point in the future

Have you tried adding in NeoV's stretching routine? It works very well for me.

No I haven't... I  did look at one of his youtube videos but for some reason I didn't try... Could you describe your routine if I may ask? Have you reduced your plaque, improved curvature, how long you've been doing them?

I just do the stretches until they feel therapeutic. A nice stretch, but no pain. Pain is bad.

I do this in all 4 angles. Helps with pain. Less curvature. Plaque is softer, but still palpable.

I like doing the stretches while taking a hot shower. I hold each stretch for about 1-2 minutes. It is more based on feeling. After a certain amount of time, you just feel the stretch has done its job. Kind of like a myofascial release.

Very interesting, Christopher!!
Will try them from time to time and yeah the shower seems like a nice place for that lol

thank you

One thing I wanted to know is what does a scar feel like? I can't tell. Also, I want to stretch too but Ive always been a grower, so any tips for growers lol.

Sure - good luck.

And honestly NeoV is to thank for that. He has a YouTube channel and many posts.

He is the real deal.

Program4004 -

You have Peyronies Disease and you don't feel a plaque / scar?

Maybe yours is very deep. Was your Peyronies Disease confirmed with imaging?

No it wasn't, I don't have access to medical care atm. :( I can't tell if I have it or not. I'm hoping I don't have Fibrosis of the corpus cavernosum. Seems everytime I look up hourglassing, which occurs sometimes, I see ppl say they have fibrosis of the Cavernosum. Makes me super worried. Also, I'm worried about getting imaging because some ppl developed Peyronies Disease from imagining, so another thing I'm worried about. Anyways, can you even feel the corpus Cavernosum? Does it have it's own nerves?

Scar tissue sometimes can be subtle and not calcified - in these cases they are hard to feel and may not show up on an ultrasound but that does not mean that it is not there.. My uro could feel fibrosis but could not feel plaque and my ultrasound did not show any scar/plaque. I still have some hourgrlassing and curvature.

Program - I was also worried about the ultrasound - the injection can cause peyronies however, it is very very unlikely that this will happen from 1 injection. People who developed peyronies from the injection usually were using it for erectile dysfunction and engaged in multipe injections over time causing peyronies.

So are you guessing your scarring is on the tunica? That's what I'm trying to figure out. Besides that my penis can still have erections, I don't have any curving besides the natural one I've always had. It's super subtle, not something to worry about. I still get REM erections. But yeah, I'm hoping this doesn't get any worse as I get older. So far it's been getting better as a year ago my penis was always painful and I had ED.

Quote from: jj21 on May 20, 2019, 07:16:07 AM
Scar tissue sometimes can be subtle and not calcified - in these cases they are hard to feel and may not show up on an ultrasound but that does not mean that it is not there.. My uro could feel fibrosis but could not feel plaque and my ultrasound did not show any scar/plaque. I still have some hourgrlassing and curvature.

Program - I was also worried about the ultrasound - the injection can cause peyronies however, it is very very unlikely that this will happen from 1 injection. People who developed peyronies from the injection usually were using it for erectile dysfunction and engaged in multipe injections over time causing peyronies.

Ouch

The way you describe it, I gotta have calcifications for sure. Mine don't feel as you describe: soft, hard to feel, or not showing up. Not that they are "hard", as one would imagine calcium or bones I guess, but more like kind of plastic, and definitely do show up as I showed in the pictures in this same thread :(

About injections, i thought you didn't need an injection for an ultrasound! Anyway, couldn't one make oneself hard and avoid that? Hahaha
Sooner or later I will get the injection, but for now Restorex is what I feel will help the most. I will update next week on Week 11 of my treatment! Haha

An erection is not needed for an ultrasound to diagnose peyronies and to see if plaque vs calcified plaque, only to diagnose ED.

Lumineer - the identification of plaque is improved when the penis is erect. They can also test for veneous leak this way which may be beneficial in your case as you did state you have some ED.

If you're able to stay erect in a room full of strangers without the injection it may work - check with your Uro. But usualy it's hard to stay fully erect while they do the ultrasound in which case its just a tiny needle which really doesn't hurt (feels like a pinch) and you will be erect the whole time.

So just to be clear. I only need a flaccid Ultrasound and a physical test to view if I have peyronies correct? I'll probably just do that. Atm my penis is okay. It's painfree, but I wanna get it checked when I do get insurance.

Quote from: program4004 on May 27, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
So just to be clear. I only need a flaccid Ultrasound and a physical test to view if I have peyronies correct? I'll probably just do that. Atm my penis is okay. It's painfree, but I wanna get it checked when I do get insurance.

Im not sure about the ultrasound, recently had a flaccid ultrasound done (20 mins), no abnormalities found...  But I have peyronies and plaque 100%. Both doctors felt and confirmed.

Okay thanks for letting me know.

Almost always the ultrasound can confirm the plaque, when it doesn't it may be operator error ...

Okay awesome. I can't wait till I get medical care and get to the doctor. Idk what they can do now though. But whatever. I will try something.

So here it is, what week is it? I already lost count haha

Allright, let's see... I think we are somewhere in week 13, I bought the damn thing the first week of March, so it's been 3 months of use.

Week 13:

I broke the damn thing :(

I don't know how it happened, but the sides/wings that get attached to the C cyilinder were damaged (broken partially). I don't know how it happened as I didn't have any accident with it, and I'm usually careful. But I do leave it sometimes mounted (the C cylinder inside the "wings").

Good part is I still can use it if put some pressure on myself it often/almost always deinflates -loses a bit of pressure-, but I still can use it kind of normally.

So that sucks, but the bright side is I still can use it  :)

More bad news coming  ::)



1-Erections
[/size]Well, no progress, maybe some regress? Might have to do with the fact that been eating crap and badly emotional in the last 2-3 weeks. Might have to do with fact of overtraining with VED? Not sure if that's a thing.
But I would say... about the same erection quality (especially since taking Pentox 2x/daily and Cialis about 2.5mg daily), but there is definitely regress with night erections, I notice I have been going back to almost where I was, which was none (or 1 in 10 nights), after having improved to about 50% nights with good wood thanks to VED. So I would say mostly emotional stuff, with some possibility of overtraining and another possibility with eating crap.


2-Sizing: Length/girth
I mean, this is very hard to say, but if I had to say, maybe some small gains in the last weeks? But we're talking about fractions of cm, and also dick sizing varies depending on many factors, so hard to say, I would say maybe some progress yes, especially in girth? Fine so far. Problem is I cannot pump more because I already made the cyilinder full, so I guess I won't be gaining anymore length for now :/


3-Plaque/Fibrosis
Now this is where the real bad part comes in. I think I'm seeing more plaque!!! Not more plaques, but the ones that already got (on the right part of the penis and also on the upper part below the glans) I noticed they've been getting harder and/or bigger, definitely more noticeable with or without erection, and definitely feeling harder or bigger!!! And of this I'm sure, and I'm no talking of "no progress". I'm talking regression. That's terrible news.

To be honest, I don't think it's related to VED regime at all, since I had been working with it for 2 months and seeing no problem at all, I never overpumped etc. but with my food intake, which has been crap. I have masturbated a lot too lol, on average 2-3 times/day lol not sure if it would have to do. Maybe doing it too hard sometimes?
But I'm on the calcification/fibrosis theory so I think the food you take has a lot to do with that.

I have to say that when I got the most of the plaques, or at least when I was noticing more of them, which was about 4-5 years ago, I was eating pretty badly, as I am now. I was eating all prepared meals at the supermarket etc. a lot of sodas (both I am doing a lot now), dairy, etc. Now I'm having sodas, prepared meals, ice cream, alcohol, dairy, gluten haha the whole F^@$!ng make_your_body_acid pack  ;D
Also not much sports lately, as of 4-5 years ago. So let's see if I can change that!
I started this week to make manual stretch, and will find some way to buy Restorex, and when I do (haven't been searching much these last 2 weeks), I'm going to change eating and exercising too. I have already started to change eating lately, including more fruits/vegetables. It's hard for me to reduce soda haha I try. I've eaten well in the past, I know how to do it, I even have had periods of weeks with no soda so I know how to do it and what's good and bad (and how bad)... only, right now, it's hard for me.


So,
Same erections, less night wood sadly
Probably bigger sizing since last report: maybe more girth, that feels good
More plaque/fibrosis :(


I wish I had better to report, but that's how things are :(

Luminere, just curious since you've gained length while on VED, do you believe you had originally lost length since peyronies? Usually, one only gains length that they lost after peyronies, prostate surgery, etc.

It's different for everyone but I really found abstinence from masturbation to be beneficial in healing... Try not to masturbate 2-3 times a day and let your body rest - see if it helps.

Also read many cases on here where the ultrasound could not determine plaque however the person definitely had peyronies. My uro also confirmed that scar tissue doesn't always show on an ultrasound but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

Hey there!

Tony, yes, definitely I had lost some length in 2017-2018 before starting the treatment... For some reason I didn't lose anything even having plaques/fibrosis for a few years, and last 2 years I lost... maybe around 1-2cm? At least 1 cm. Also lost some width, it's like the whole thing shrank.


And yes, I think I have gained something between 0.5-1 cm length, maybe more like 1 cm, maybe even a little bit more? But I have definitely gained some length, at least 0.5 cm, prob more (penis size varies a lot I would say). Flaccid, for sure; erect, not so sure: I think I still got length to recover at least erect.

But also since it's related to your question... I think it is very possible and not that difficult to gain length beyond your natural length! There are forums focused on that (by the way, they're the most irresponsible people in the world lol the techniques they use... like jelqing really hard... omg) but yeah, gaining some length, even longer than your original, I don't think is difficult at all! Many people do that. You can see it all over the internet, most traction devices do that quite easily. I think it could be relatively easy to gain about 0.5-1 inch.

My sausage is quite long lol so I'm not interested, I would have to be worry to not penetrate to the end in some postures, and I already have to be careful haha so I'm happy recovering my original length wich was pretty good (18-20cm)

About width, I wouln't mind gaining some yeah  8)
Not gonna do jelqing stuff but I0m confident given how VED works, that can help me gain some width, or at the very least, recover my original width in the upper part. My original penis was pretty good in length and width lol

So to sum it up, yeah, I'd think I definitely have won a little bit length and also a little bit width in the upper part, flaccid it doesn't look as ugly as it did before VED, it looked kind of like a worm hahaha  ;D



jj, yes, I think masturbating that much (or should I say ejaculating), can't be good. Especially ejaculating that much I don't think is healthy for a man. I feel my penis condition worsens after too much ejaculation. For example, making VED workout after ejaculating feels bad. Penis feels stiff. Doesn't enlarge much, doesn't feel good. After 1-2 days with no cumming, it feels bigger, more like a spounge, and definitely enlarges much better. It's hard for me not too lol but will really try to do it less often  ::)
Also I think edging can be ok, but don't I think edging a lot is healthy emotionally, hormonally at all neither.

Definitely stop masturbating entirely. Try going through a long flatline.

There's just one study out there that showed w traction men could gain up to 1/2 inch to their own normal length with traction.  It was men who felt they had a small penis and they felt better after.  I was thinking you must have lost some length to be gaining length now from VED.  As far as masturbating, with or without ejaculation, just do what feels right for you.

Hey guys!

So there was one forum member who wrote me privately a few weeks ago, and he that told me about Gianni Paulis, some Italian doctor especialized in Peyronie's.

I made a little bit of research online, and turns out he has a bunch of published studies out there, and he has made quite a bit of studies regarding anti-oxidants, with a nice success.

In some of his studies, he mentions topical diflonac 4%.


I looked at all his studies with care, and the bad part is I didn't find any separated group where diplofenac was the only different substance between groups. It was always tied to verapamil, pentox or other antioxidants, etc., so there is no proof that it works; but if he's using it in most his studies, it's gotta be good!

So I bought it today at the local pharmacy, it was actually pretty cheap, and will use it twice daily. Bad news is it's 1% diplofenac, and he recommends 4%. I will still use it but will go back to the drug store and try to find something with more actual diplofenac in it. Will report if I see any improvement!


Regarding my progress... still not much. Keep using VED+PTX+Cialis, erections are good, but no progress in plaque. As I said in last message, likely some improvement in girth, but hard to say. Zero improvement (regress actually) on the plaques, which yes I think they gotta be calficied. To be honest, at this point I am almost losing faith that anything but injections will be able to get rid of my plaque... I'm gonna wait at least until I try traction.

It should help w pain, you could use more frequently if you're concerned about the lower %.

Hey guys, some really nice update here!

So it's been 3-4 days using diclofenac and have to say results look AMAZING.

Plaque is shrinking. If you remember, I mentioned that, particularly in the last month, plaque/fibrosis/calcification was feeling bigger. Well, after just a few days using diclofenac it's actually shrinking to levels I don't remember, but feels like even smaller than before starting with VED! My penis hadn't feel that great in a long time! That might be something temporary, and only time will tell if these changes can be maintained.

My theory is that I was experiencing overall inflammation in my body in the last month, and that diclofenac has completely removed it. We will have to wait, but if there is a change, I'm sure it's diclofenac that caused it, as I hadn't gone through recent changes in my treatment. I have been taking PTX+Cialis for about a month, but that's it. Still not eating super well, a little bit better yes but still way to go. VED sessions a couple times a day, still some masturbation, about once a day lol

Will continue to report in a few days. Very excited! My penis feels... les rigid, more fleshy, I can feel it when doing VED or masturbating... also the width in the upper part feels a little bit bigger, and feels like there is less curvature, more straight. Overall, tiny but noticeable changes in matter of a few days! Crazy.

I mean, all things considered, I might be exagerating a bit lol, and it might be that food, which has been healthier in the last week with more fruits/veggies, better sleep, etc., might have got rid of the extra inflammation in my body, which in turn is what might have been causing more plaque... (I think peyronie has a relationship with inflammation)... or maybe I was feeling (and definitely seeing) more plaque because some part of it somehow had shrunk because of the inflamation, it was less fleshy and therefore plaque was more prominent, that's another good theory.

But the truth is there is a possibility that this is due to diclofenac, so guys if you have the possibility and it's as cheap for you as it was for me (almost nothing), seriously consider giving it a try  :)

Very cool.

Its is not too cool to Exaggerate. It is cool to admit it a short time later, so members don't rely on that info

Lol I'm not consciously exaggerating! The point is these changes are small and subtle so your mind might play tricks on you, that's why I wanted to add some sort of disclaimer lol
But yeah definitely changes are very noticeable and it is undeniable and I'm the first surprised, if they maintain/improve I will make another round of dick pics lol

Lumineer - Do you just apply the topical cream directly to the penis once a day ? Is it even able to peneetrate past the skin?

Diclofenac is a topical-rub directly on dick.

Hey guys!

jj21: Yes, I'm not sure where I read that it was found on some parts of the body where it was applied, like the knees or the ankles or something like that. So yes, I would say it does goes inside the skin. If that doctor who seems to be pretty good at treating Peyronie's (that's what he's specialized on) uses it in a study as a base treatment for ALL groups in the study, there's gotta be a good reason.

Now, as for me, and the "exaggerating" effects, I gotta say that there are definitely improvements! I can feel how the plaque actually feels much softer and is less noticeable when I use it (sometimes it's like it's not even there), my penis feels better overall. It makes an effect. When I use it less often or masturbate more lol I feel the plaques much more easily, and they feel bigger and harder even. At least bigger, definitely more noticeable.

The problem is it's not lasting, and when it goes unused I tend to go back to my previous condition. So I'm definitely going to continue to use it for a few  months and see what happens. But overall my penis feels better since I started using it. That's as best as I can define it. Kind of reminds me of when I was using heat on a more regular basis. And remember: that is just 1%!!!! The doctor recommends 4%! Next time I go to pharmacy I will ask for a more concentrated cream.

Regarding how many times, I always try to go for at least 2, one in the morning, one before going to bed, and sometimes once more during the day if I remember.

Now, some good news, I finally found someone on Parcl that will send me Restorex! I understand that nobody here offered to help me but won't hate you for that lol

I will add Restorex to VED, antioxidant supplements, topical diclofenac, oral Cialis 2.5mg and oral PTX 1-2x/daily (it's too much 3x a day, I forget), and see if that can reduce the f~@<ing plaque, which is I think the core problem (when diclofenac is functional my dick feels great), and if it doesn't solve it, I will think if I might consider more invasive options like injections (and even if my condition didn't improve I might still not go for injections and remain as I am, whic is not "bad"), but I will give all them a few good months and I'm optimistic.

Oh, some minor setback in erection quality in the last week or so, I think I might be overusing my penis lol especially with the VED (masturbation too, guilty of that  ;D). Haven't had morning wood in a while! At peak with VED (about 1-2 months into it) I went for about 40-50% nights waking up with wood, now it's gone back to previous to treatment condition which was close to 0 lol. I think I gotta go a little bit easier on VED, even though I'm using it correctly and always feels great and haven't pushed beyond discomfort etc, it might be that I'm using it too often (about 2-3 times a day, 10'+), sometimes holding pressure for longer periods (about 20-30 seconds sometimes), so will go back to 1-2 times a day, 10 minutes, apply pressure and release fast (3-5 seconds). No weird sensations, just less morning wood in the last month and last week a little less strong erections at some times, not always.

And about the rest, plaques are the same sadly, nothing I'm doing so far is working (diclofenac might work if used for a longer period).

About size, improvement is definitely there. My dick has less of the ugly shaped I described at the beginning of this thread. More tubular. Flaccid definitely is bigger. I saw last week a pic of my dick flaccid just 8 months ago and the difference was noticeable yes from how it looks right now. Even when at the beginning of VED, very noticeable difference in width and length.

Wish I could tell better news, but overall some progress I would say. That's all from here  ;)

Thxs for update.  NTE erections are crucial for rehab of penis.  Consider upping nightly dose of cialis to 5mg and see if NTE come back.  Adding traction sounds like a great treatment plan.

Thanks for the advice! Tonight I will start taking 5mg and I think I will mix 1 day/2.5mg, 1 day/5mg and see how it goes  :)

Week 17:

All got wrong omg

I hurt myself. Day of onset it was 21st May. I was jerking off lol and made some kinda strange movement and it hurt.

At the moment I didn't feel any different, but as time has passed, I started to feel overall my penis stiffer in that area.

Overall the plaques are more noticeable. I hope it's not because of bad VED use and for other reasons (bad food, stress/cortisol), but it's true that the 2-3 weeks prior to that date, I had changed the VED routine.


I used it more often during the day, maybe 3-4 times, and for periods of 5-10 minutes. Maybe closer to 10, but usually not. So shorter but more frequent sessions.

The other thing, because of my successful use of VED for 2 months, was keeping the penis more time inflated, not a long time, but at the beginning I went for inflate slowly, rich the point where slight discomfort starts, then back up (release) a little bit, then keep there for 3-4 seconds, then deflate, wait 2-3 seconds, back to business :D

That had worked, but for some reason (I mean I was seeing progress and didn't feel anything bad ever) I did the same only left it for longer. Maybe 10-20 seconds, sometimes even 30 seconds, but usually more like 15 seconds.

That very well could have been that the "overtraining" of the penis got it more prone to injury. I mean it happens in sports all the time, when players get closer to  peak 100% form, chances of injury are much bigger than at 70-80%.

So guys, stick to 10 minutes, 1x/day, 2x at the most, and I would say rest 1x/weekly! And of course no longer than 5-10 seconds with the pressure inflated!


Allright.

So penis overall felt stiffer with plaques more prominent, that's bad. It felt less fleshy. And on top of that I got some discomfort on one testicle of maybe some part that joins lower part of penis with testicle. I couldn't call pain this sensation, but definitely discomfort, for 2-3 days. That stopped yesterday. I stopped using VED 2 days ago.

So, overall I think I might have overused VED. It's a magnificent tool but it has to be used in moderate manner! I was doing great for the first 2 months, but then in the last 1-2 months I got too cocky and overconfident and I think overused it.

I still feel some tight/weird sensation on that area of my penis where I felt the pain at the onset, left part, close to glans, but it's not too bad, and I'm taking a whole bunch of antioxidants/antiinflamatory/antifibrotic on daily basis:

Vitamin C
Taurine
Vit E
CoQ10
Garlic
Carnitine
I also prepare smoothies of blackberries on daily basis, delicious!

Plus:
Cialis and PTX, but I have stopped taking those lately too. I stopped taking everything for a couple days, also diclofenac. Testicle discomfort which was the most worrying at least is gone for now phew!
Let's see how it goes.

My penis was feeling so great no so long ago! omg
BTW, notice that hurting penis was 21st may and I wrote that penis felt great on 20th June, that is true, for more than one month I didn't feel anything bad, so maybe that hurting my penis had nothing to do with what has happened later, but I think it was related.



I'm sorry to update with such a mess :(

I have doubts of what happened... misuse of VED? Hurting myself while masturbating? Even diclofenac I have got to think it was doing some harm...

Anyway I feel like crap that after so much research, money and effort I'm even worse (in terms of plaque at least) than before Day 1... Also I'm sorry I can't be of more help here! :(

So anyway, I will keep taking antioxidants and blackberries smoothie  :D, will gradually start with traction (Restorex should arrive next week) and come back to mild VED and go back to Cialis and PTX, and lastly come back to diclofenac 2x/daily.

Then give everything at least a couple months and if plaque doesn't diminish then I will consider ionthoporesis or injections.

Will update after everything is stabilized guys. Pray for me  :D

NoFap for 3 months.

No F^@$!ng way lol

Lately I've lowered to 0-1 day and already having lots of sexual dreams, 3 months and I think I would die...

Hey lumineer78, any updates?

Also, I agree with Christopher1, NoFap is a good idea.

Hey there!!

Well, not much new for the last month or so, so I had nothing to report.

I still think I have some kind of injury from last May, so I've been easy on everything. My condition had been worsening a little bit in the last months since May injury until now.

Restorex arrived 3 weeks ago I think. At the beginning, I didn't like it much. My penis kind of hurt, it was tough to grab it, but eventually I discovered that opening the width of the grip (to fit my huge size :P) and with enough "tape", it's perfect! Feels good, and it definitely stretches the penis. I like it.

I have done some manual traction in the last few weeks, and I can affirm that Restorex is superior to manual traction, at least the results are better in my opinion. And I would say that, overall, traction is a superior treatment than VED for Peyronie's (though everybody is different), so given I didn't feel much improvement in terms of plaque or curvature with VED, I'm optimistic with Restorex. Not so much in the plaque, really, but let's see where it takes us. I'm gonna be trying some injections in the next months anyway. It will take some time, will report when that happens here!

So anyway, I have been using Restorex correctly for just a few days, and I will say results are good! I feel a "loosening" in my penis, feels really good, I felt I was kinda stacked with VED after injuring.

Will report how Restorex has been in... a few weeks.

Cheers!

Oh and by the way, if anyone knows where I can order more of this amazing tape for Restorex, I would be all ears!! :D

You can get the tape for the RestoreX at Walmart.

Hey guys! Some update on these last months...


Well after a few months here I come with an update...

My plaque/fibrosis had worsened, not sure if related with overuse of VED, not sure if with the "accident" in May, but for sure was worse for the last months, more noticeable.

I went to urologist finally, and it was so disappointing :(

The only options they gave for a mild Peyronie's (mine is 10-15% curvature, relatively small condition overall) was surgical option wtf

They also said that for my mild ED they would offer an implant more wtf

And that was it.

I asked for an ultrasound to look first to see what kind of condition my plaques are (and to finally diagnose Peyronie's) and second to see if there is venous leakage, which is what I think is the core problem to my mild ED; more than ED is difficulty to maintain erection without stimulation (which i think is very related to vascular problem)

Anyway absolutely disappointing stuff. That is all public health system can offer for me


There are some minor good news though. I haven't been using neither VED nor Restorex for the last 2-3 months, stopped cialis, stopped all treatment, and my condition has remained the same. But for the last couple weeks I have been applying some Bach flowers mixed with oil topically about 2x/daily, and surprisingly I feel the plaques much softer and even less noticeable. I will report if there continues to be improvement. The formula I applied after some research was: hornbeam, rock water, crab apple, star of bethlehem, larch, sweet chestnut and mimulus. There are some other flower remedies specifically for scar tissue outside Bach Flower therapy (Thiosinaminum) but for now I'm going to continue to apply this. I am very surprised by the results, but cautious for now. I have experimented with Bach Flowers for a decent number of years with good results, so who knows if topical application also works. I mix 4-5 drops of each into 30ml of combined olive oil, almond oil and a little coconut oil.


Alright, that's it for me for now.

BTW, there was one good thing about my visit to the urologist, even though he seemed to know less than me about the issue, told me something that led me thinking: he said the mild ED (or difficulty to maintain one) was very unlikely to be caused by Peyronie's. So something I had thought to be true for many years in my case, which was that my mild erection problems came from peyronie's, whereas it could simply be another issue! That opened my mind a bit and will continue to investigate that, particularly on the venous leakage. I will make an ultrasound looking for that, even if I have to go private and pay for it.

And a small question: in case the problem was vascular in the veins, is there something I could do about it besides surgery? And also they told me surgery wasn't an option even in the States lol but I'm asking, do you know what are the treatments for that, if that happens to be the cause of my problems with erections?

Thanks a lot!

EU medicine sucks! That's the truth. Socialized medicine sucks. I gave up on doc's in Germany. Same story.
(but they're good for some diagnostics and prescriptions etc.)
I wouldn't get into any unnecessary operations.

I just wrote in another thread about "venous leakage" (https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,11488.msg118033.html#msg118033) and it can be in direct relation to Peyronies(the plaque prevents the tunica from closing off the veins that transport blood away from the penis=leak).

You seem to try a lot but you have to take care to not overdo it with traction and VED. Do much less intensity and work up from there and stop and go down whenever you get problems.
Some people's tissue reacts very fast and dramatic to it. Is your health ok? Did you have your blood checked?

Heat is good if you have hard tissue and NO inflammation. If you have inflamation cool is actually better(I did some water VED with cold water 2-5 minutes)

(You might check what I do with transdermals in my signature link seeing you tried something with that already)

Some update here!

Ok, the world has changed a lot since my last post. Just waiting for the aliens to show up, that would complete 2020  ;)

So, first a few comments on past posts:

Quote from: lumineer78 on January 02, 2020, 07:26:21 AM

My plaque/fibrosis had worsened, not sure if related with overuse of VED, not sure if with the "accident" in May, but for sure was worse for the last months, more noticeable.

So, first, that is absolutely true. My curvature was bigger from last summer (Obviously VED hadn't help much overall with curvature). I think it wasn't necessarily due to overuse of VED: overuse might have increased the chance that an accident could happen, but the increase in curvature was for almost certain due to the "accident" in May while jerking off lol. From that point, curvature was slowly more noticeable. Also, plaques had been more noticeable. Maybe stress too, I don't really know the cause for the more noticeable plaque. Has been some stressful year.

Quote from: lumineer78 on January 02, 2020, 07:26:21 AM

There are some minor good news though. I haven't been using neither VED nor Restorex for the last 2-3 months, stopped cialis, stopped all treatment, and my condition has remained the same. But for the last couple weeks I have been applying some Bach flowers mixed with oil topically about 2x/daily, and surprisingly I feel the plaques much softer and even less noticeable. I will report if there continues to be improvement. The formula I applied after some research was: hornbeam, rock water, crab apple, star of bethlehem, larch, sweet chestnut and mimulus. There are some other flower remedies specifically for scar tissue outside Bach Flower therapy (Thiosinaminum) but for now I'm going to continue to apply this. I am very surprised by the results, but cautious for now. I have experimented with Bach Flowers for a decent number of years with good results, so who knows if topical application also works. I mix 4-5 drops of each into 30ml of combined olive oil, almond oil and a little coconut oil.

Ok, that I stopped soon after that lol. They probably had some therapeutical effect, at least the fact of applying the oil to the penis, but overall they were doing nothing with plaques. Nothing has worked with plaques so far.



I have some minor good news though. I have been regularly applying Restorex daily, once or twice a day. I have finally learned to use it properly (I wasn't using enough tape and it was painful to use, so never really gone for much stretch). It's been maybe 3-4 weeks using it almost daily. Length has improved a bit, girth maybe too, esp in the upper part where there was the indentation. And also erection quality and most importantly curvature have improved. Sadly, I think I'm giving up on the plaque  :-\
Publich health system wasn't able to help, and maybe I will go to the private route sometime in the future, but for now if I'm able to improve curvature I'm a happy man.

Restorex is great I would say, I think I could achieve the same with a lot of effort by hand and some tape, but overall I think it's a fantastic tool and I'm glad I bought it. It has improved curvature a little bit, improved movility of the penis especially when erect you can notice it, it has improved length a tiny bit (I feel I had lost a bit in the last year too), and also helped a little bit with girth in the upper part with indentation. Will continue to use at least 1x daily for the next 3-6 months.

Also, finally I have been able to control myself a little bit regarding masturbation, and I don't jerk off that often which I think will be helping too.

That's it for me :)

Good, this is a marathon. As long as you see small improvements, keep doing what works maybe even more so. Always thinking smart what could work and then implement reguarly.

Would add:


I have also continued to use VED.

-I first use Restorex, probably for about 20 minutes (usually 2x/day), then finish and inmediately use VED for about 10 more minutes, I feel it's good to put the blood in the penis after stretching it, and also right after stretching it can enlarge very easily, so that's a win/win I guess! haha

-VED has been helpful and a good tool to keep penis healthy, but as for Peyronie's I feel traction (or at least Restorex) is a much more powerful cure. I used VED for months correctly and even though I saw greater penis health and maybe some minor improvement in sizing and definitely on quality of erections, I didn't see any improvement in plaque size and I think none too in curvature. So as a cure for Peyronie's disease, I would say traction is much more useful, though VED, if used correctly, only can help so would still recommend both. I'm happy with somaerect for ved and restorex for traction.

-Also add that traction in a sense is like yoga for the penis. It basically stretches it, so if you lose movility due to peyronie's, plaque, whatever, stretching it can only help movility. That's why I couldn't move my penis while erect towards the right almost at all, and now I can move it a little bit, and also why my overall movility of the penis and tightness have improved quite a bit. Can't but recommend traction.

Quote from: mith76 on August 12, 2019, 07:48:54 PMHey lumineer78, any updates?

Also, I agree with Christopher1, NoFap is a good idea.

I hate NoFap. But it is sadly necessary. Be sure to combine it with NeoV's stretching techniques. You want to keep your dick nice and stretched. Combine with a good red light for even better results.

Hi luminer, Any updates 3 years later ?

Thanks for your testimony, i've begining to feel hope about my penis.

My situation is very similar to yours , and we have exactly the same dick judging from your picture (20cm)
Every doctor i went to tells me there is nothing wrong with my penis but I cannot emphasize it enough how bad it affects my mental health.
It feels very small when I grab it , of what it used to be and erections are weaker and weaker. Nighttime erections are quasi inexistent.
Noone seems to take it seriously but I judge all the doctors I saw were deeply jealous of the size (even with the narrowing). I know it sound unprofessional from them but it's a deep down human male nature I guess?

I just received the SOMA Corect Device and will try to replicate your procedure.
I'm also on 5g Cialis and 1200mg Pentox Daily.
Taking supplements like Carnitine, Arginine, Vit E, CQ10 Daily.

Thanks again.