19 years young, looking at life a different way

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IHPD

Alright folks, let's get one thing clear. Peyronies is a F~
But sex and expressing love through sex isn't the most important thing in the world. When something bad happens, whatever it may be, our minds have the tendency to fixate on that bad experience to the point where it throws everything else you've ever experienced good out the window. We forget the quality times we spend with friends, playing video games, eating delicious food, going outside and watching nature, watching your favorite movies, allll of life's experiences become plagued by one thing.

Which is F^@$!ng retarded if you ask me. Our sense of self is not derived from one little injury. In fact, our sense of self is derived from our minds which that by itself is wrong and not the truth. The truth is that we are all divine beings, deep down, we which is expressed as the indescribable. We are love, and not the love you feel towards someone when you want to F~@<. But love for everything and everyone.

We are consciousness manifested through our bodies which is our gateway here on Earth. Our bodies and our roles in society and our lives, what makes us think who we are is actually not who we really are. Who we really are is everything and nothing.

So. Last night I was ready to F~@< this girl and it took about 10-15 seconds to put my dick in, and then in about 10-15 seconds I came. My curve is getting to the point where I won't be able to penetrate soon unless I do some traction or something. Which I might.

But last night, when that happened, I didn't give a single F~@<. I still don't care about what happen, because that particular experience does not define "me". To think that it does, for me to feel sad or depressed is ridiculous. It is an illusion.

Spiritually, I'm on a different path now. The little things that used to bother me don't anymore, because they are literally insignificant and meaningless.

Yea, it would be nice to have a straight dick and last longer in bed, but that's not reality. Reality doesn't think that way. Reality is the way it is, and it's perfect. Whatever is going to happen from this point on will happen, and that's okay.

Don't let Peyronies take the real you over. What starts is a thought in your mind and then your body expressed it through emotion. Your mind is a tool, but in no way has a sense of self, meaning that it is NOT you. You are the divine. Not a poor little you who f'~c<+d up his dick. Peace  

Hrvat21

That's one way to look at it, i consider my penis and my sexual abilities to be one of my personal values, and having peyronie's diminished my value. It's frustrating and it made me a smaller man. Of course i can enjoy food and what not, but i want to enjoy having sex and being sexually potent, and everything else is just second best. I have to ignore sexual advances and stopped drinking and going out, as it has no meaning to me without having sex. I would maybe even like to be a porn star one day or something, and be sexually dominant male i was, and am in my core. I don't really even believe in "love", love without sex, with frustration of injury is meaningless, and if i am honest, i care about women almost entirely sexually.

You are kinda right, but i believe we all must accept also how sex, dicks and pure primal sexuallity is important. The solution for this disease is not in ignoring how sex is important, how much of our lives it takes, and seeing there are other things. Yes, there are other things, and you are not your dick, but dick is a big part of you. Sex is maybe even is primary force in life and biological meaning of our lives. It's much more important to accept it and rverything you can to fix your dick, restore it's size and have closest to dick you had before injury, if not completely what it was. No amount of friends, food, or "love" could ever replace a important and valuable part of your body, and fixing it and doing everything you can to get it back while balancing it with normal life is only thimg to do, but never do i think sex is not one of most important parts of life, or that i am as valuable as before with my dick like this as it's not the truth, neither to myself, girls i sleep with or anyone who gets in contact with it. The good thing is that it motivates me to get better, and get my dick as soon and as good as i can, as in the end this is solvable and dick can get better in numerous ways

IHPD

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I see where you're coming from, but your "personal" values are personal only if you view yourself to be the center of your world, which will bring about suffering no matter what the value is that is lost.

You see, we all have a tendency to push things away that we don't enjoy or like and keep the things we do very close to us, and the things that we keep very close to us (morals, values, virtues, possessions), are what we end up identifying with. Therefore creating our sense of selse.

Humans are made to reproduce, no doubt about it. Our dicks are vital for that very purpose, to make babies, to connect with the innermost cor me of another humans personality. It is what it is, but those things that make us human do not define to "real" us.

Have you ever asked yourself who you are? What is it is that actually seeing from your eyes? What is it that hears the sounds and noises going on. That "real" you, is in fact in everyone else as well, and it is the mystery and divine that is us. We are life. And as life, what is manifested such as the trees, the birds, the sun, and humans are what comes from that life force within us.

So, what I mean to say is that we are that life force. Our interests, our preferences, the things that we like and don't like, all that creates a false sense of self that we follow. So we feel like we "need" this or "need" that because of what we identify with.

But, do whatever it is that you do. Continue healing, but when you're feeling down or that you "need" this or "need" that, ask yourself what is it that exactly needs it. What exactly is feeling this type of emotion? Thinking this thought?

When we lose sight of where we come from, that's when suffering begins. We are all waves apart of the ocean, but when you forget you are apart of the ocean then you start to identify yourself just as that wave. And when you do, that's when confusion and delusion will set you apart from the truth.

You are Truth. You are everything and nothing, everyone and no one. If you were to be searching god, I would say that you are searching for him with his eyes.

Hope you have a speedy recovery, though!

Monty

71 UK, ED from 2011, unable to get full erection, Peyronies Disease from  2015 acute bend to left, VED & hand traction + 20mg of Tadalafil twice a week, or when i'm feeling lucky, forum member November 2017. Fav Film&Song, TheGoodTheBadThe Ugly. A Day in the Life

JohnWright

....ahem...i'm not sure where this conversation is headed...the choir?

Hrvat21

Our interests, preferences, what we need and what we don't need is argubly our identity. "life" force that you mention, is something that we are made to put in in thing that we care about, if i for example, stopped caring about my dick, and holding it in such high esteem i allways did as i allways liked girls very much and had very high libido and was happy about size of it, it would be part of giving up on myself. We are born with some affections to something, talents and thing we are naturally attracted to. Person that has low libido would care less, person with a less interest in girls would care less, a person that felt it's life cause is to pray and talk to people about love and forgivness would care less about his dick. Person that is made asexual would care less. The guy that never cared to read would never be bothered that he didn't write a great novel of it's own time, while a person like i don't know, Joyce would effectively waste his life not writing. A guy that is whole his life horny and very interested in girls and it is very important part of his life is well, very much wasting his life not having sex with girls. A guy that had pride in his penis, his size and it was a great part of something he cared about is wasting his life not having his dick the way it was. We all are, to some's personalities their dicks are more integral, to some's are less, but i am surely not going to brainwash myself into believing my dick, body, having sex with lots of girls or something similar i care about is not important, as it would be running away from my identity, personallity, and what i in fact, am.
We have different opinions on life, you are young, idealistic, and they are very nice those thing you care about, we are all forced to care more about other stuff, we go to gym, force ourself to work more to get more money to fix this, forceourself to see meanings in new things, just so our life dont get fully meaningless, but for me personally, i can only work on myself, do the most i can do to have better tomorrow, so i can fix my dick, regain as much as size i can - all of it if i can, get better at things and force myself to presist and be strong and get my life back, as, truly, when i get around, go out in club i allways get with girls, and know i can't do what i feel like doing, that i can't be free and F~@< those girls that want my dick, then i understand i can't run away from it, i go to gym and am surrounded by beautiful asses of girls that i could perhaps F~@< and have somthing with, when i go to collage or bus, i get looks from girls, when i go to work i have so much possibilities and girls obviously seducing me, and what i can do, i can apologize, tell them something about physical issues, look other way, do something else, get bigger, better, more muscular, smarter, look better, fix everything else, maybe one day i can become most influental man and have lots of money, i maybe write somehing, maybe it's possible to be absolutely adored by a girl even without a dick, maybe even more girls, but my man, nothing, none of those things are worth a damn if i don't get my dick back, as close it can be to it's original state, and can F~@< girls, feel free, enjoy my life and stop being contantly constrained, anxious and scared by my impotence, to be in state that i am objectively less sexually capable than most of males, when it was one of my core individual strenghts, thing i talked to girls about, what gave me self confidence and made me feel like no matter what i look like, or no matter what state i am in, i still have that that gives me strenght in relations with girls and males. If you do not feel the same way, maybe you are not so sexual, maybe you are deluding yourself, or maybe it is not as important to you as it is to me, to me it's obviously very important. I am happy for your spirituallity, i enjoyed it while i could, but that was long time ago and to me it felt like detachment and finished in even more self destruction. And sadly, i see myself as a center of my world, and have to, no one will care about my issues if i don't care, no one gives a damn what you are if you can't show it, no one values you if you can't express your values and if your own ideals can't be expressed. I am a part of an ocean like everyone, but i only suffered on it untill i started solving m issues as a lone person, and giving myself and my issues the importance they have to me. I must admit i can't see myself, and couldn't clearly since i developed this problem, by solving my issues, seeing that they can be solved, and those parts of me restored, i am getting closer to myself and embracing me in whole, and to living life witout shame in a way i like to live it, enjoying stuff i enjoy - like having rough sex and having fun and having healthy and fully sized body parts. You are obviously in a better place than i am and i am happy for you and hope you will solve your issues as well, but we are not all same, nor can see this in same light

IHPD

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Your issues are as vital as the amount of fuel you give to them, and don't ge me wrong, personally, I love sex more than the next person. My last ex told me that her last ex just wanted attention and that I just wanted sex. But the moment wanting sex and wanting my dick better becomes a necessity, then at that point suffering starts. I can't want to fix my dick, but I don't need to. If I need to and it doesn't happen the way I picture it, I suffer. If I want to, I can have it happen or not happen and it wouldn't make a difference. You see? We don't end up letting the outcomes of events dictate our state of being which is in constant flux.

I'm not saying turn your head around and forget about Peyronies and give up. Sorry if I came that way. I'm just saying that we need to give less light to it because if it's not Peyronies then it's meant to be something else. Have you noticed that there is always something for us to fix and improve on? No settling down. There "needs" to be improvement in this, that "needs" to be fixed, it's endless; our minds never give us a break.

The moment we see the thoughts that arise and where they come from (from fear, which are just things you tell yourself "need" to be changed), then we can be our own judges.

What I'm saying is that you f'^+'ing girls doesn't define you. At all. If you believe it does define you, then you've forgetting where you've come from. Like a wave forgetting it's from the ocean  

Hrvat21

Well it kinda does define me - in a way that not having sex with girls is impossible for me, and i need to have sex with girls and it is a way of self expression to me and only way of really comunicating with girls and i really like girls sexually. I need to fix my dick as it's very f'~c<+d up, i'll probably need a surgery, and treating it with traction and ved. Not fixing it is not an option for me, so i really need it as i can't live without it getting fixed, the question is just how good am i gonna get it fixed/how close will it get to what it was before. And i need to improve in every way, i need it in a way that i, for i life i consider worth living need to get it done to be happy, it's just thing of how much you want, and how much are you willing to settle just because you don't want to accept a really big part of you really needs something to be done.

Jack1909

"I can't live a life without being fixed"...it's been 10 years since the first time I said that and guess what, I'm right here writing. The problem is that your body can live without being fixed...
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

popopo

Ihatepeyroniesdisease123, "nothing" defines us in any way. What we do, who we are, what we look like. It doesn't matter in the end cause we're all equal in DEATH. In this life it matters though, as much as hobbies, work, aestetics.. They create your identity no matter if you inditify with who you are or not. If none of these would define who we are, then sex doesn't define us either. But what does that even mean? Does it mean we're all NOTHING? All fun and games and of course it's true after we die.. but if you neglect that sex is one of the most important things in life then you're the one who forgot where we came from, because without sex we wouldn't be here.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Hrvat21

It can, but you need to fix it as soon as you can to live normally. This problem can be fixed, and needs to, i've lived with this for 7 years, will get an implant if its needed

JohnWright

Threads like this one always demonstrate the same thing: One guy states his opinion, another guy tells him he's wrong -- in his own humble opinion. Opinions are just that -- an opinion.

The fact is that some humans have the ability to rise above their circumstance, and not be defined by that circumstance. Others, not so much. World history is full of examples of both.

Having a dysfunctional dick definitely tests a man's ability to rise above the circumstance.

TonySa

It's great to share how we cope, just know it's not the same for all AND no ONE "right" or even best way.
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

Werther

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I don't want to sound rude or anything but I think that your words are just a bunch of sophisms. You said that there are always things for us to fix and improve on and then we should just forget them, because in your opinion this is not what defines people. Then, based on what I understood, it appears that the panacea simply consists in realizing that we are something like God's sons, nature-connected individuals or whatever... Well, it could maybe work to alleviate the stress if you're super religious but it's not the case for everybody and, by the way, I think it does little to nothing in order to improve your quality of life, since you leave the problems where they are.

The fact is that, contrary to what you wrote, life is defined by continuos problems that need to be "fixed and improved on"; if these things didn't occur, we wouldn't talk about life.

The problem in coping with Peyronie's and sexual dysfunction for a lot of people is that they still can't find an acceptable solution (for the sole fact that it lacks). If you reach a point like this, you come to accept it (something I don't know how to do) or you sit in the limbo hoping for the miracolous cure (and hoping it'll be avalaible within a brief time). I can tell that your spirituality is just a form of acceptance where the spirituality is the tool you use to achieve this state.

There's nothing of transcendental.

IHPD

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Listen, my speaking is meant to shake you awake. Not how to dream better. What I am trying to express isn't a better reality where everything is accepted and all problems vanish. No, that is merely another illusion. It is also not a way for me to be okay with my situation. Some can say that, but in reality, what has happened to me is similar to a person waking up from a dream.

When we really start to take a look at who we think we are, we become very grace prone. We start to see that while we may have various thoughts, beliefs, and identities, they do not individually or collectively tell us who we are. A mystery presents itself: we realize that when we really look at ourselves clearly and carefully, it is actually astounding how completely we humans define ourselves by the content of our minds, feelings, and history. Many forms of spirituality try to get rid of thoughts, feelings, and memories—to make the mind blank, as if that were a desirable or spiritual state. But to have the mind blank is not necessarily wise. Instead, it is more helpful to see through thoughts and to recognize that a thought is just a thought, a belief, a memory. Then we can stop binding consciousness or spirit to our thoughts and mental states.

God is a word that was used to describe the indescribable. Meaning, a truth that cannot be conceptualized. When it is conceptualized, people end up believing the concept, hence why so many people believe God is a almighty person who created everything. Modern day religion is honestly just mind control, I'm putting that all aside. Not going to get too into that.

What is so beautiful about awakening is that when you are no longer functioning through your conditioning, then the sense of "me" who was living that life is no longer there. Most people are familiar with the sense of a me living this life. But when this is seen through, the experience is that what really runs and operates this life is love, and this same love is in everybody all the time. When it is working its way through your personal stuff, it gets dissipated, but it is still there. Nobody owns this love. Everybody is essentially the manifestation of this love.

So I'm not attaching myself to any label or title or anything, I'm just saying reality isn't what we think it is. In fact, if we keep on "thinking", then we'll get further away from our truth. Because reality doesn't think. It just is.  When you realize this, then your "problems" or you "issues" or desires even, interests, everything or whatever it is that you attach to  loses its significance. Not accepting it, because accepting something is still within that dream state. With accepting, there is denying. With being happy, there is being sad. That is the duality within the dream state. When you wake up, you don't attach yourself to anything, you see yourself as One and as no one. You see happy and sad as an emotion more than a feeling that controls you. It is seeing through it, for what it actually is. Not only for peyronies, but for everything.

I mean, just consider the universe. The stars come out invariably every night, the sun rises and sets. The birds flock and migrate without exception. You thinking that you're a poor little me and that life has held by the penis, dictated and controlled by its problems is just brining confusion to the kingdom.  

IHPD

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Well popopo, let me ask you a simple question. When do you think you were born?  

popopo

I was born 23 years ago. Anyway, I think what you're saying is a bit far fetched.. what are you trying to say? That all things that matter in life actually don't matter??
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Werther

Ihatepeyroniesdisease123

Maybe I'm retarded, but I literally don't understand what you're trying to say. Yes, stars come out every night, sun rises and sets, roses are red and violets are blue, but I just don't see how this relates to problems and obstacles in life (whatever they are) and how it could help anyone live better. The fact that I suffer or I'm happy for something won't surely have a big impact on the universe (days and nights will keep coming on and on, as you say), but that doesn't change my feelings at all.

Rather than awakening, this looks like going to sleep definitively. It seems that you're advicing people to forget about their own personal lives, because they're just irrelevant when compared to the course of nature.

IHPD

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More specifically! I'm genuinely curious as to when you think you were born. The moment of conception, when your parents first made love? Tell me!

Well, thinking it that way can be rather depressing, but interpreting all this with your mind just sets up another picture which evokes another emotion...so I have to be careful about how I say things...but yes.

There is a realization that occurs when you question who you are deep down, as in, "what is seeing through these eyes?", "what is heading through these gears"? When you investigate these questions, you'll realize no, it's not popopo, rather it's more of a mystery. Something that we can't put into words.

You realize that what is actually "you" (no popopo with all the things he believes matters in life), is not separate from anything else. It is one with everything. It is the Self, which manifests into all selves (humans, birds, animals). You essentially realize that there is no separate self.

In the lives of most human beings, everything is about an avoidance of the truth. The truth that we are avoiding is the Truth of emptiness. We don't want to see that we are nothing. We don't want to see that everything we believe is wrong. We don't want to see that what everybody else believes is wrong. We don't want to see that our viewpoint is wrong and that there is no right viewpoint. We don't want to see that everything we think about God is what God is not. We don't want to see what the Buddha meant when he said there is no self.

What the truth is popopo...cannot be interpreted by the mind, because it transcends what you think and imagine. What you believe matters in life surely matters to your mind and body, and it isn't sure real to some extent...but when you realize that you are not your body and mind, that you are something greater which manifests into your body and mind, then yes...it is meaningless.

I recommend listening to Adyashanti, Alan Watts, and ekchart Tolle. Spiritual teachers that describe it more clearly and it's all over YouTube so just browse through.

When you listen, and on your own eventually realize It, then you let go of all the fuckery that dictated you like crazy. You are released from the leash as can life and "it's problems". It doesn't vanish..it's still there, but you just see it for what it is. It is transparent. And eventually, it dissolves to the point where there is no meaning or aignifigance attaches to it.  

IHPD

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Well, you can be retarded and still find truth...but no haha you're not retarded, but your mind is just trying to understand what it just simply can't. The real you transcends your mind and all that it thinks. The beliefs, the values, what you think is utterly insignificant as it comes from a place that has no truth.

Well, if you see how nature and the animals are, what makes you feel different or better? Do you think you came to this Earth from some other place in order to take it over? Or did you come from this earth, as the same way apples come from trees? You are conscious, the same way animals are and even inaminant objects. There is consciousness in everything, but in humans, and this is where there is a little blip, it is self-aware. Self-awareness meaning that You end up identifying with your body and your mind, which is not who You actually are.

Underneath that superficial self, which pays attention to traction and ubiquinol, there is another self, more real us than "I"...and If you become aware of that unknown self (and you will in time), the more you become aware of it, the more you realize that it is inseparably connected with everything else that there is. That you are the universe doing itself. And that vast, vast thing you look at during the night in the sky, billions and billions of miles away (the stars not VED), how can you not feel so small and insignifant? Well, if you look long enough, you'll soon come to a realization and say "Why...that's me". And in knowing that, you know you never die. You are the eternal thing that comes and goes and appears -now Jim Jones, Billy Bob, Marget Smith-and so it goes forever and ever and ever

Yes! Exactly, I'm trying to awaken your Sprit because it does currently identify with your body and it's life and all the problems that you encounter. It is asleep. And when it wakes up, it starts to identify with itself...not with its creation which is the you you identity with as of now.

When you Spirit gets liberated from this identification, oh, it's a destructive process. Enlightment is not knowing more, it is unknowing what you know, because what you know doesn't matter and it never will.  

popopo

So what's the point of living then? If none of reality is "real", being attached to material stuff is being "asleep", then what value does life give you? The things you're saying could be an argument for living on as much as just ending your life since it doesn't matter anyway, right? Your point of view doesn't really give meaning to life, it's more like you're trying to say everything doesn't matter. So what do you believe we are, if we are not our bodies OR minds? What happens when we die and what is our task in life? I personaly have a way different view. I believe there is no god, we are like animals, just more self aware and life is nothing but passing on something to the next generation over and over. The only thing we can do to fight death is pass on our genes or leave something in the living world and make yourself "immortal" by being remembered. It still doesn't matter after you're dead though, but it might help to achieve some of these things we desire to be able to accept death better when it comes. I also believe in darwinism and that sex is a big motivation in peoples life which is why such a superficial problem like this makes many of us so frustrated with the situation even though rarionallt you might think we dont really "need" sex. That's actually one of those things that come from our natural self rather than the identity we build, which makes it harder to surpress. This is only my point of view of course and I'm not gonna pretend I know the meaning of life.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Hontas

Yo, i found the solution and it goes on like this:
Don't give a damn.


Werther

I would agree with you if curvature wasn't enough to prevent you from having sexual acts (even if they had to be limited to oral sex and/or masturbation) and ED - if present - responded to PDE5i or injections. If i didn't have severe ED, I couldn't care less about peyronie's and I'd be happy even if I had to hook up with hookers to have sex.

When you can't perform at all, then you have a very big problem in coping with this condition. If you're an active sexual being, how do you cope with the fact that you can't do anything sexual with anybody, ever? Especially if you're in your twenties (I am too)... Sure, there are lots of other things in life, but this is a kind of deprivation that I really don't know how to overcome... Even if I can have good times during the day (have a beer with friends, play soccer or whatever), the fact that I can't perform sexually is always with me and it will always feel like a thorn in your back that you can't ever get rid of; a situation like this can overcloud all the rest that life has to offer. Freud was totally right: sex is all for a man.

And to prevent anyone to rant on with the same replies: I say F~@< implants. I mean, it would be an acceptable solution if you're at least 50 years old, but what if you're in your twenties? You should change at the very least 3 or 4 prosthesises over the course of your lifetime, moreover hoping that you don't get any infection and that everytime you have to undergo replacement, this kind of surgery is still feasible. Well, to me it doesn't look this is the gold standard procedure to treat such problems for such guys.

Hontas

Werther i think using PDE5i could help you relax way more to enjoy sex.

Werther

As you said, if you can really get erect with PDE5i and psychotherapy, then you probably don't have organic Erectile Dysfunction or, at least, if there' something of organic, it's manageable with drugs and you're not prevented from having sex; in this case it would be completely pointless to complain, because you could actually still have sex; this is what I said in my previous post and it's also the reason why I said that it shouldn't be that hard to cope with (at least in my opinion).

I have already explained the reasons why I believe an implant is not an ideal option in my opinion. If I felt like I could be ok with it, I would have probably already gotten it and I wouldn't be here, writing on this forum. More generally, all prosthesises (whatever they are) are far than ideal (even if it's all that medicine can offer today) and in the long run they could even worsen the problems they intended to solve in the first place; take teeth implants as examples (the most spread kind of prosthesis in the market): they should restore one's smile if there has been tooth loss, but years after the implant surgery, it isn't unusual that new problems are coming up and they're caused by that surgery (e.g. malocclusion, due to bone loss which comes after a tooth's extraction); that's the reason why there's a lot of scientific research aimed at regenerating teeth too. Penile implants carry even greater risks and they're not even reversible. What can I do if I get this surgery and I'm not satisfied with it? I tell you: I'm f'~c<+d up. And here's where the coping problem is and why there's a problem in coping with this. Period.

EDIT: Fakrigier/Hontas: I think using antipsychotics could help you straighten your brain more than any drug thought to straighten your dick since the former is evidently needier in this sense than the latter (I'm tired of seeing you fooling readers by completely altering the content of your original posts).

Jack1909

Super quote..being member of the G8 doesn't mean anything. Probably Italy is the most undeveloped occidental country when it comes to healthcare and all other services in general.  
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

IHPD

Quote from: Jack1909 on March 24, 2018, 12:06:25 PM
Super quote..being member of the G8 doesn't mean anything. Probably Italy is the most undeveloped occidental country when it comes to healthcare and all other services in general.

Hey Jack, what is G8?