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Re: Time to set the record straight about franklin kuehhas and joel gelman
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2018, 04:34:00 AM »

Man I just woke up an hour ago thinking about you. I know that sounds weird but I knew when you were going to have the appointment with Gelman and the suspense was killing me.

I opened the link thinking “I hope he found a solution” but at the same time hoping nothing negative would be further thrown on to Kuehhas name. I am happy you are in a better state. Take it easy and get those results.

I know the psychological aspect on erections is true. Back in November I couldn’t hold a 100 perecent erection for more than 5 seconds. After I got an injection at a urologist to induce an erection my eq has increased dramatically, just about made a full recovery from my injury. It was seeing and feeling my penis so hard like that that gave me confidence and now allows me to get them naturally. A couple of days ago I got one that I made last for 45 minutes (porn and stimulation).

Overall I’m somewhat satisfied with the post. I was hoping you’ll get a more affirmative solution, but that’s just my wishful thinking. I guess almost everything on here will be a long battle. So please hit that a routine and get those results, I don’t like seeing anyone suffer on here. Reading your post made me smile a little, you sound a lot happier and in a better state of mind than you were two weeks ago.

Also, half a million is way too little for what that surgeon did. At least it’s something yes but you deserve so much more. Hope you’re successful on that too.
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Re: Time to set the record straight about franklin kuehhas and joel gelman
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2018, 06:07:36 AM »

Your erection lasted 45 mins without stimulation?? Do you get long lasting erections without physical stimulation while  you are watching porn?
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Re: Time to set the record straight about franklin kuehhas and joel gelman
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2018, 11:50:23 AM »

@Kusher -- While you've been on a traumatic journey of unimaginable pain, your report back and clearing the air is truly remarkable.

Thank you for revisiting the topic and setting the record straight.

Cheering you on for further success! Sounds like you are already making right choices to get you there.

Best to you,

John

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Re: Time to set the record straight about franklin kuehhas and joel gelman
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2018, 09:47:12 PM »

150-200 penile curvature operations annually restricts the choice very much...
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Re: Time to set the record straight about franklin kuehhas and joel gelman
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2018, 03:31:29 PM »

I don’t know if this equates but an IPP study showed that MD’s who did fewer than 31 operations per year had 2x the infection rates resulting in removal of the implant.  So maybe an absolute minimum of 30’ish operations per year?
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Re: Time to set the record straight about franklin kuehhas and joel gelman
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2018, 03:50:00 PM »

Tsanchez -- Here's why I don't like that number -- IMHO:

That would be the equivalent of doing 2.5 guys, one day per month.

One day per month doesn't equate to much. I wouldn't want THAT surgeon touching my body.

I want a surgeon who is in there working with dicks every week. Hundreds per year. Many doctors are.

It's just news to us, we think we're the only ones with dick issues. But the vast majority of men with issues never visit this Forum -- they're at the doctor's office getting surgery! By the hundreds every month.

The choice is really: Be some butcher's guineau pig (the surgeon who does 2 surgeries a month), or be a success story (by the surgeon who does hundreds a year).

Next choice: Which airline shall I fly?
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Re: Time to set the record straight about franklin kuehhas and joel gelman
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2018, 07:28:26 PM »

I agree, just perhaps for those who cannot get to a high volume surgeon as an absolute minimum.
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Kusher. Thank you for your post. I, like you, have traveled the globe having multiple surgeries, to attempt to fix my Peyronie's disease. I had my first grafting surgery. After four rounds of xiaflex with Dr Gelbard, then egidio procedure with Kuehhas, had residual curvature afterward, then went back to Franklin, for some stage sutures.

Still, some curvature on the left side. According to Franklin, the grafting materials used are sticking together, or pinching together.

I went to Gelman for a consultation in 2017. I told him about my experience. He was more concerned about bashing London Andrology. Kuehhas, and surgeons that offer penis enlargement surgery, that he couldn't even focus on treating me decently. The guy acted like total a******, right in front of his female intern.

I tried to see past his smugness, and get down to the real reason I was there, but he insisted on belittling me for my previous choices in surgeons.

Now, I am seeing doctor Liu, who advocates xiaflex. During my first round of xiaflex, I received a shot near the dorsal vein, which caused dorsal vein thrombosis aka Mondors Disease.

With this hardened vein and huge lump on the underside of my penis, I believe it is causing my penis to curve even more.

I am hesitant now about doing anything. I figured you could relate. Are you free to talk offline?

Thanks David
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I got the same vibe from gelman. He told me alot of patients go through multiple failed treatments and bad doctors then when they stumble upon my website they say ( yaaaaay! We found a good doctor!! Now we will find the solution! ). Which he does not like. If you couldn't find ur solution in usa or London then u should go to sava team in Belgrade
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Is it dr Liu or Lue?
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Oh my goodness what I read.... please just give your penis a break. You won’t have your penis straight undergoing the treatments available today. It’s just harmful insisting. Don’t you see all the doctors are the same?? Don’t you see it’s not about the doctors but it’s about the treatments? They fail most of the time, the success rate they brag about is false. 1 out of 2 people having a straightening surgery gets out of it with a residual curvature. And he still account himself lucky if it doesn’t come along with other issues. Like me or Kusher (which like me won’t get rid of erection problems - don’t wanna be harsh..)
 
It’s a terror insane journey that doesn’t do anything but worsening your penis. Every time a little more..I gave up on straightening surgeries and you should do the same.
 
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And..Happy I did not meet gealman..I’m done with all these masters of cutting and sewing..
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It sounds like a lot of people on here experienced the same bad vibes I got from Joel Gelman. I wrote a heartfelt message to him and he gave me a rather insensitive response. I will post the response I received from him here and I would love to hear your views. Is it just me or is he just the worst human being ever?....

"Dear Mr. Sand,

You really should see a Psychiatrist as it is not reasonable to contemplate suicide on multiple occasions because your were born with a CORRECTABLE problem with your penis.  With regard to options, in addition to seeking this help, one option is to continue to have curvature but the best option would be for you to see me as it is highly likely I will be able to offer you a surgery to straighten your penis.  Would you like to see me?

Sincerely,

Joel Gelman, M.D.
Professor of Urology
Director, Center for Reconstructive Urology
Department of Urology
University of California, Irvine Medical Center"
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Well, he was not so cold..I mean, yeah, he could be more sensitive but it’s quite ok to me. The only part I’m doubtful with is when he says the problem can be solved easily. By the amount of redo surgeries I bumped into...
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I prefer cold and very skilled surgeon like Gelman than sweet and kind Kuehhas.

Really, it doesnt matter in my opinion. For me Dr Gelman was kind and he even propose me lower price for the surgery because he want to help me.

I had double jaw surgery in the past which was made by very skillful surgeon. He was an artist but very rude. Once he said to his female patient (when she asked him about the side effects) that she could be raped during the operation. ;)
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These penis issues are crazy and they have the capacity to infect your brain with negativity. I wanted to know if abstaining from ejaculation/sex/porn for 4/5 months will help with erection and sensitivity and potentially recovery.. has anyone tried this method? 
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Sensation is the only thing that will improve over time; ED might worsen rather than improve...

Making impotent young and healthy guys: the power of the enormous lie standing behind penile surgeries. We are all involved and we need to find a way out..

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My erections nowadays are very unusual. Full, strong and complete erection while laying on  bed. It's straight with no deviations whatsoever. The issue is when I stand, when standing, the package decides always to sleep. Just during standing! Dunno if it's a penis problem or weak pelvic muscles.. fishy!  On Kuehhas discharge letter, it says recovery will take 6 months and sometimes 12 months. I'm now 6 months and things are 60% back. Given I had 2 surgeries in 2017 including stage. It's evident that recovery will extend to additional 6 months.
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Well it may help although you would need to be sure you are getting nocturnal penile tumescence (NPT), that would be night time erections, without sex or stimulation then IMO this long term can possibly lead to  a chronically flaccid state theoretically results in a chronic state of penile hypoxia.

One theory is that progressive erectile dysfunction occurs due to the loss of rapid eye movement (REM) nocturnal penile tumescence (NPT). Whereas men without ED will demonstrate erectile activity for as much as 60% of their sleep time, men with ED have been shown to lose NPT.
Erections can be 1-3 hours during NPT.

Research suggests that it's during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep that the body is able to: restore organs, bones, and tissue; replenish immune cells; and circulate human growth hormone

Read this; https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.2164/jandrol.106.001313

Perhaps this needs a new thread for discussing further  :-\
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Very interesting thread. Here is my two cents.

I had the Egydio procedure performed by Franklin Kuehhas in London in May of 2016. At the time the procedure was done, all outward signs pointed to the disease being in the dormant phase (no pain, curvature had been constant for several months.)

Long story short - the procedure initially appeared to have worked (erections were straight for a period), but then the disease returned. Over a period of about six months, the curvature slowly returned and is now about the same as it was prior to the surgery (roughly 70 degrees to the left, with the curvature starting in the same location.)

Worse, a prolonged period of penile pain/acute disease phase also returned. It got severe in the middle of last year (thank God for Pentox and Cialis), and then has generally been slowly subsiding. It still flares occasionally (generally when I get stressed out about something.) I'm continuing to take both Pentox and Cialis, though I'm not sure how much good they are doing at this point.

Over this period, I've been in touch with Franklin via Whatsapp and e-mail. I have not been back to see him in person since the surgery - does not seem to be much point in a visit as long as the pain persists.

He is not certain what has gone wrong (he said Peyronies does have the capacity to come back, but it is rare), but has offered to perform a second surgery when the time comes with no surgeon's fee. Note that does not mean the second procedure will be cost-free - there is still a hospital/anesthetist charge, along with all the other costs of making a European trip.

I did have a brief phone conversation with Dr. Gelman about two months ago after reading about him on this forum. Just as others have noted, I did sense a certain cockiness to the guy, and he made it a point to state he "never sees those European Doctors at the industry conferences." Which seems odd - Franklin Kuehhas is a well known presence for Peyronies disease. Gelman sort of seemed to be stressing that Franklin is not a known entity in the Urological community.

However, I was impressed that Dr. Gelman took the time to call me at all, given that I am not a patient of his (he did so after I filled out a contact form on his practice web site.) Far too many Doctors hide behind their support staff and will not even have a conversation until you meet them in their office. I'll give Gelman full credit for that.

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The real question needs to be this one at this point: how many people solved their issues with  straightening surgeries? Without falling into other problems..

I have started to think that implant is less invasive...
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Ppl who undergo hip, back, bladder or prostate surgery, take good 12-16 months to regain erection.
Only one thing, most prostate patients do not recover their erection and need help for that
I'm not wanting to compare this with your case because it's not the same, I just wanted to point out that the prostate operations often end with ED that only responds to injections and some will not respond to that either
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At this point, there is nothing to do but to wait and evaluate after 4-6 months. Not currently interested in poping some pills. I addressed this issue to Kuehhas a month ago. No response yet. I was planning to travel here and there then I realized that was no need lol. All doctors are the same. Nothing but time that will reveal the truth.
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I’m not saying Kuehhas is a snake I’m simply stating that you got through a botched surgery before being treated by him. So long term ED issues are highly possible..if you are lucky just to an extent easy to overcome.

When it comes to other comparisons..people undergoing prostate surgery can avoid ED just undergoing the robotic surgery and spinal cord injured show just limited recovery in general..at least if we stick with traditional and current medicine..that it’s extremely sub optimal (like in this field).
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Check the attachment that I posted. There are some ppl who went through traumatic injuries to their penis. ( more damage than my situation and jack1909 situation ). After proper surgery, and 1 year recovery and traction therapy, erection and sensation returned fully intact. But you know who operated on them? Sava who is under the grave now. And I think that what made the difference for these lucky guys. I should start employing the forte nowadays to speed up the process of reaching the optimal recovery peak which will take place August 2018. Journey starts now.
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I don’t care about what you posted. It’s just showing off literature and it can mean all or nothing...if I followed the literature I should see 90% rate of success in straightening surgery but I don’t
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This can not be real. Did Kuehhas show u a pic of your straight penis during operation? When did the curve come back? U might have engaged ur organ prematurely or maybe cuz there is inflammation from stuck sutures. If there is a chronic inflammation within tunica albungea then straightening surgeries won't be the ideal solution. The inflammation must be addressed first then straightening follows. Deformed tunica can be repaired with proper flaps and grafts. Hold up jack. There is a solution for your ordeal. You just have to orchestrate your way out smartly and efficiently.
 
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Re: Discussion about penile injuries and the potential for recovery
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2018, 03:47:17 PM »

I really like to enter this topic and read all this stuff about Gelman. He is apparently very skilled if he had 100 percents success. He told me that he never have had a patient who needs further surgery.
And when I am reading this topic I believe him. Look at the photos from some guy in this forum after the surgery with Gelman. Very good result without shortening the penis.

I got the Visa to the USA yesterday so the way for me is straighter. In August I will have the surgery in Orange.
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Re: Discussion about penile injuries and the potential for recovery
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2018, 04:02:12 PM »

I was just reading this and thought I should give my two cents.

To me there is no difference in penile straightening skill level between any of the top surgeons. Kuehhas, Gelman, Levine, Paola etc. All these guys are at the peak of what currently possible and they are going amazing things in there field. One may offer more services than the other but they are all amazing and it almost impossible to differentiate them based on penile straightening surgeries.

Now another thing. There is no magic cure there is no magic doctor. I believe and will not change my mind that if you go to an expert from the start that you will be fine. But once you go and have been damage by another doctor and come to an expert expecting him to “fix you” then to me you are wrong. He can do as much as he can but keep in mind that the penis is very complex and he is he trying to straighten your penis and fix the wrongs of another person. I can’t pin a bad surgery on a doctor who didn’t operate on a virgin penis. Once something is wrong then it’s wrong and the damage had been done there is little he can do to change that.

Kuehhas is far from a snake. I know you guys didn’t really call him that but I just want to clarify. He is amazingly good person. I spoke with him multiple times and he helped me with things that he will never be paid for. I had a rash on the head of my penis and he told me he wanted to see it. I sent him a 2 minute video and he assured me nothing was wrong and told me what to do for it to go away. 3 days later the rash was gone because I did what he said. You had a bad experience okay but the man is not a snake

On Gelman and his attitude. I heard he doesn’t trust stage or Kuehhas because he doesn’t like how the surgery is marketed. I almost laughed into tears when I heard that. Kuehhas markets the surgery on HIS website and he doesn’t like that. What he doesn’t like has nothing to do with the surgery. It’s like I’m saying I don’t like Lamborghinis because I don’t pike like how they are marketed?!?! No marketing has nothing to do with this tell me about the performance, design and quality those are aspects where you can say you don’t like something. Absolutely childish. Anyway please take this with a grain of salt because this is all something I heard from someone who spoke to him.
Now another note I emailed Kuehhas and got a response in 24 hours saying the office is closed and that they will get back to me on a date, which they did and they set an appointment for me to speak to him. This all took a week or so
I emailed and called Gelmans office multiple times over the past couple months as I wanted to weigh my opinions. I am yet to hear from him. I don’t know maybe because I’m international or something but no one has gotten back to me.

Now this isn’t Kuehhas vs Gelman. Even tho I never spoke to Gelman I like them both very much as they are experts in there fields and have helped may men. I don’t want to see anyone here and because of these two a lot of people are out living there life’s which we should all be doing.

Finally if you think I’m some advocate for Kuehhas, I’m not. I’m an advocate for stage so Kuehhas or Paolo are my go to. That being said high level surgerons will make easy work with pilcation.
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Re: Discussion about penile injuries and the potential for recovery
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2018, 10:26:57 AM »

I spent a lot of time researching potential operations and doctors (years of researching).

Out of everyone I spoke to, Dr Kuehhas was the most informative, comforting and competent (I went through the NHS several times with my issue and never got a straight answer that I felt comfortable or satisfied with. I can deal with bad news, but no news at all is even worse).

I think it's fair to say that Franklin is a very "21st Century" Doctor, he sells himself based on his experience and his particular techniques that he has co-developed with Paulo Egydio, another world leader in penile surgery. He operates his practice just by himself and his assistant, and performs the actual surgery himself in conjunction with a local private clinic who assist him with regards to the anaesthesia and so on. I still message him from time to time and he is happy to hear from me and responds! You would never get that with most doctors who you usually don't ever see again after the operation.

He can be very reassuring, some might say so too reassuring, but I understand that his success rate, plus him seeing the effect having a straight member has on his patients is what makes him want to gently ease us through our fears. I'm not sure if I would have gone ahead with mine without that optimism but I'm incredibly glad I did.

The only failures I've read of are when the person has had one or more operations in the past before. Luckily I'm most cases I've read, he has been able to correct those, but it's unfortunate that not all can be fixed. It's just the reality of the situation.

Although no one is saying saying any one doctor is the best in the world, we do know the best group of doctors, and Kuehhas certainly belongs in that group. It might even be possible to argue that he's the best in Europe currently.
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Re: Discussion about penile injuries and the potential for recovery
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2018, 07:15:16 AM »

For anyone who is facing issues. Hold on and take it easy. Everything will be eventually solved. Best of luck
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