For those that have lost hope, why not an implant ??

[diehardpatriot]

As I've just entered a new active phase with some moderate ed after an injury 6 days ago, I had an anxiety attack and read through the forums. I always assume the worst and it's terrible. Anyway, I learned how successful penile implants are and how happy the People who have them are. Everyday I see depressed and hopeless people on this forum with bad Peyronies and ED for years and they can't seem to shake or reverse the damage to their penis. What keeps these people from getting a penile implant? I know these can be quite expensive without insurance but isn't a healthy and functional sex life worth it?  

[TonySa]

I'm heading in that direction, two rounds of xiaflex w traction, VED, pentox, cialis and multiple supplements...curve worsened from 65 to 90 degrees....arrrgh!

[diehardpatriot]

How many years have you had Peyronies? To me if all else fails implant seems like a great option. Only bad thing is I think I makes you infertile. But most can still ejaculate . There's this website called FT. Go check it out. Also look on the forums and make sure you choose an appropriate model if you choose the implant route.  

[Jack1909]

In my case:

1. Too young to get an implant
2. Already Too pain to even think of having such an invasive procedure. Thus, can't assess properly my ed for the same reason: don't know how much pain interferes with it
3. Psychologically wasted and implant is not a fresh stroll I mean it's often recommend a psychological therapy once you go for it.
4. Never had intercourse so it might be even more difficult starting from that

[Jack1909]

MOST can still ejaculate?? WTF  

[popopo]

My uro told me fibrosis won't be stopped using an implant. The scarring should be stable before doing an implant, cause it will cause MORE scar tissue since its such an invasive treatment. It wont guarantee you keep your size, let alone get your old size back and in worst case scenario the scarring continues and the implant becomes too big. I'm still gonna talk to kuehhas, but I dont think I'll risk ruining even more.

[JohnWright]

hehe... this is a great thread.

- No man is too young for an implant. I've been following Dr Kramer for two years...his narration on his videos makes it clear that in his office, he's had young guys 20-21 years of age, just getting married, and they're looking for performance. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdkQplDRDJF-vudzD1g9JGQ/videos

- Ejaculation: An implant does not interact with your balls, your prostate, your urethra, and all the connecting stuff in between -- the main components for a man to ejaculate. However you ejaculate today is how you will ejaculate next week.

[Sadguy]

I'm also thinking about the implant if nothing else works this year, I'm 26 years old, in FT there are a lot of guys who have had it in their 20's, even a guy with 19 and they're happy.

As far as I know, your ejaculation with an implant is normal, just like what you had before the operation

[diehardpatriot]

Jack . Read the other replies. No such thing as too young. And you really think having a implant that works is psychologically worse than having a life with no sex? Along with pain from Peyronies ?  

[Nomurai]

Seems like the new implants with e.g. sliding technique are a massive improvement on what there has been before.

[Ricardo70]

Hello,

It is never ready or late when a need arises in the life to do something.
A knee prosthesis when is it ready or late...?
There are persons who need it at the age of 80 and others to the 30...

What one cannot is to be suffering with an illness, which has no answer.

If the peironye is light, the surgical option works.
If it is sharp, the implant is the answer.

[Werther]

I personally don't think it's so wise for very young guys (people in their 20s) to get implanted. I've read about some cases where such men decided to turn bionic, despite their age, but isn't it some big risk? I mean... These devices last for 15/20 years based on the literature, so that, if you get implanted at age 25, by the time you're 60 you'll have already changed two implants at the very least... are we sure that after so many inavisive surgeries performed on the same place, you'll be able to keep your organ? I don't even know if penile implants' developers have ever thought about this when they introduced their invention to the market. Maybe they intendend them to be directed only to old men so that their lifespan and the possibility to change them during the course of life wouldn't have been a problem.


On a personal note, I also don't like the idea of getting implanted, because it's not like getting any other kind of prosthesis: erections are produced by mental stimulation too and the fact to achieve them only by pumping a pump placed beetwen the balls sounds like some sort of Ludwig Treatment (the one from A Clockwork Orange's movie). I don't know how much you can actually be satisfied with an erection that's completely independent of mental arousal.

[suicidecomingsoon]

Werther while in the first point I can agree, in the second I don't agree at all. I would give everything to have a lasting erection without having to worry about keeping it, I would care nothing not to get it by thought or mental arousal, anyway right now I can't without stimulating it a lot with my hand. The implant would improve my situation drastically. The power to have an erection that won't fall for as long as I want and that I can have it when I want .. F^@% the mental arousal.

However the problem that I see just like you is the age. If it were not for age, if I were 40 or as little as 30 and for chances of performing the surgery poorly (undersized, floppy glans, infection) if it were not for all that I probably would have already done

Also keep in mind that if the surgery isn't cover by insurance , it's quite expensive

[Werther]

I guess it's just a matter of opinions with regards to my second point. I personally find very pleasurable spontaneous erections and getting implanted would mean losing them for the rest of your life. I find the situation to be very odd; what do you do when you're horny but you're not about to have sex? Are you gonna say something like "look at this chick, she's so F^@$!ng hot! let me pump the implant to show myself how much I appreciate that!"? It surely must take time and effort to get accustomed to this new way of living sexuality.

The fact that implant isn't suitable for a very young man is not even an opinion from my point of view, but a straight fact. If these devices lasted something like 30 years, things would be different, but, the way they are, they're much less than optimal for youngsters. Adverse events coming with this surgery and the cost of it are a turn off too, but they're shared from everybody, despite their age.

What gets me mad is the fact that there's a very high demand of effective treatments for severe ED by a lot of young people and it should be clear to the medical community by today that things are like these and implant isn't ideal for this category of men, but nonetheless it looks like nobody is doing nothing to develop or improve techniques capable of solving the problem without having to fill up the dick with plastic tubes.

[suicidecomingsoon]

What gets me mad is the fact that there's a very high demand of effective treatments for severe ED by a lot of young people and it should be clear to the medical community by today that things are like these and implant isn't ideal for this category of men, but nonetheless it looks like nobody is doing nothing to develop or improve techniques capable of solving the problem without having to fill up the dick with plastic tubes.

Yes, totally true. But I am pessimistic in this aspect, because since the pills appeared (and the injections at a lower level) the doctors don't investigate in ways to solve the ED, they are comfortable with the palliative solutions and if that doesn't work for you then there is no more. The implant, yes, but if you are young it is more risky.

However, it is good to know that at least there is something you can do if hopelessness overtakes you (although I guess that's what many urologists think and that's why they do not investigate anymore about other solutions)  

[skunkworks]

I do agree. I am glad implants exist as a last resort, but I hate the fact that so little is achieved with regards to not needing one. It seems like for ED your options are pde5, if they don't work then ved+super tight cockring, or an implant.

Something like super high detail scans identifying exactly where a venous leak is occuring and laparoscopic microsurgery to fix the issue, that is the sort of thing I want to see. Or more studies on interventional radiological treatments for venous leak.  

[james1947]

Everyone that posted on this topic is right.
On this forum we are quiet conservative and see surgery and specifically implant  as last resort.
The people on FT think different.

James

[Werther]

Something like super high detail scans identifying exactly where a venous leak is occuring and laparoscopic microsurgery to fix the issue, that is the sort of thing I want to see. Or more studies on interventional radiological treatments for venous leak.

You pushed the right button. That's exactly what I wanted to say.
I have the impression that after ascertaining the failure of veins' ligation surgeries, urologists decided to leave this field without trying to perfect these techniques in order to try to make them really effective and safe. "After all there's always the implant". It's like telling paraplegic people that there's no need to investigate on spinal cord's regenerative interventions, because, after all, there's always the wheelchair.

[Hawk]

I have become quite informed about implants.  In fact, I am scheduled to have implant surgery the first week in August.  I feel I have squandered a decade when I could have had a bionic penis.  I have read posts from wives and girlfriends that refer to the implant as ("a male 2.0) since it is a vast improvement on a naturally born penis (male 1.0).  It does not cause infertility as I read earlier in this thread.  There is no increased risk for young men in their twenties.  Granted, they may well need a replacement or two in their life but replacement surgery is usually easier than the initial outpatient surgery.

Few solutions to ED come close to the patient satisfaction of a 3 piece inflatable implant.  The key is the same as with most medical procedures.  Find a doctor that specializes in this surgery and who does at least a hundred a year.  I also recommend one that uses both AMS and Coloplast since one size (or one model) does NOT fit all.

I will keep you posted.

[diehardpatriot]

Great conversation here. Hawk , good luck with your surgery and I applaud you for being so courageous and taking charge getting the surgery. Werther, i somewhat agree with you. Not having spontaneous erections makes sex and sexual attraction different that's for sure. Implants aren't for people with moderate to severe ED. These people most likely don't get too many spontaneous erections anyway. Would you rather have a dick that works half the time, or a implant that works 10" percent of the time for as long as you want it to

[diehardpatriot]

Also hawk. We had a member named Dared who had an implant and didn't return. Can you please come back and let us know if you are happy with your implant in the coming months post surgery. Dared hasn't came back yet. But in a message he sent me these reasons why he finally got an implant

" 2. I believe it was a result of my erect penis bending during sex but unsure.
3. I regret the traction very much. I did too much and cause significant further trauma. It is the biggest regret of my life.
4. I began traction 6 months after initial trauma. I had problems getting the condition diagnosed by a urologist as he was unsure what he was looking at. Before the traction and before I knew I had peyronies I tried wrapping my dick in a heating pad in order to release what I initially self diagnosed as possible lymph fluid accumulation. I am not good at doing things in moderation and this is the majority of the reason I believe the traction backfired. I was also smoking a lot of herb during the time I did traction and I believe that may have contributed to causing further injury by weakening my immune system. I also found out afterwards that herb binds to the penile tissue and causes tissue changes in the form of reduced elasticity. Not a good combination when you've got a torture device pulling on your dick."

He began to have ed and hisnpenis would get flaccid during sex. People like dared are the target candidates for implants  

[Hawk]

I will post and give updates and answer questions.

[Hawk]

I also want to say I use traction and I have the 4200 gram maximum tension springs which I have used at full compression.  I have never had an injury from traction.  Excessive heat will destroy tissue and that might have been an issue.

[Hawk]

I personally don't think it's so wise for very young guys (people in their 20s) to get implanted. .... These devices last for 15/20 years based on the literature, so that, if you get implanted at age 25, by the time you're 60 you'll have already changed two implants at the very least... are we sure that after so many invasive surgeries performed on the same place, you'll be able to keep your organ? .........sounds like some sort of Ludwig Treatment (the one from A Clockwork Orange's movie). I don't know how much you can actually be satisfied with an erection that's completely independent of mental arousal.

I had to laugh at this post.   Implants have been around for well over 30 years.  I have talked to men that have had 3 implants and their penis is bigger now than when they had the first one.  Alibaba has had two implants.  Next, three implant surgeries are far less invasive than one excision and grafting surgery.  An implant surgery other than the prep time is about a 15 minute to 30-minute surgery through a 1-inch incision.  You are taking soaking baths in 3 days and having sex within 21 days.  Subsequent implants are usually less traumatizing than the initial implant.

You spoke the truth when you said you don't know how much you could be satisfied by an erection that is independent of mental arousal.    That statement honestly is one of the most circular thinking confusing statements I can think of on the topic of erectile dysfunction.  Whereas you do not know, I do.  I have often had multiple orgasms off of a single natural erection.  I have had them with a totally flaccid penis after a prostatectomy, I have had them with Viagra, Levitra, and Cialis. I have had them with VEDs.  I have had them with bimix injections.  Nothing short of my natural erections come close to comparing to being as satisfying as an implant.  My erections with an implant are NOT independent of mental arousal.  The mental arousal is why I bother to take 45 seconds to pump an erection.  It is far more spontaneous than any other erectile dysfunction solution.  I do agree that if I pumped up independent of mental arousal, for instance, while running with the bulls, my erection probably would not be satisfying.

What most penis owners never understand is that erection and orgasm, or even erection and arousal, are two independent processes.  We have repeated erections from birth that have nothing to do with arousal.  After some injuries, you can have powerful mind-blowing orgasms without an erection.  In my years of dealing with erectile dysfunction, I have found myself mentally stimulated with a strong libido when mentally I felt I had an erection.  I had to reach down to feel to be sure.  I found I did not.  Anyone that thinks to put a 45-second pump to add an erection is unsatisfying obviously just has not done it.  You will find not a single soul with a working implant that would not agree with me, not one. What I found most unsatisfying on my journey is to be mindlessly horney and have a limp dick.

I will agree that men that can get a natural erection should not get an implant.  If we are comparing an implant to a penis that always serves you well with a natural erection then an implant is stupid.  Even then, however, it would not diminish your sex life.

I also agree that if you have no interest or access to sex that an implant I stupid.  If you are content to live without sex then that's the way to go.

If a man that enjoys sex is comparing an implant to a limp dick, only a fool would suggest the limp dick is more natural thus preferred.  If he compares an implant to injections or a VED and suggests they are more natural and/or satisfying he is suffering from equally convoluted thinking.  The next time anyone suggests that an implant will not be satisfying ask them what they are comparing it to.  If they say some other erectile dysfunction solution then you can bet they never had an implant and therefore cannot compare them, plus they are lacking in basic deductive reasoning.  Every man with a working implant that can compare them to other erectile dysfunction solutions, prefers the implant.  If they say they are comparing an implant to a natural reliable erection then they don't have erectile dysfunction and their opinion is meaningless.

[Pfract]

I second what Hawk said right here. And yes, i don't have an implant but the arguments he wrote make more and more sense has time passed by. I was normal all my life, and with a very high sex drive. I didn't had sex as much as i would like to, back in the day but i did have some sessions 25/30 minutes, pounding away and there was once or twice i had sex for 40/45 min straight. I only needed two or three strokes to had a full blown, rock hard erection that lasted as long as i wanted.

I went from that, to needing 1 minute stroking and loosing erection quickly and needed constant masturbation to not loose the erection. Along with all the mental suffering i have been having, the lies i have to tell people for "not having a girlfriend in recent time" or "why i don't care no more about one night stands like i used to". Along with all the girls i have been rejecting these past 4 years. Along with the size loss and pain.

Having to pump for 45 seconds or maybe less, and having no more problems for 5 years (or maybe more?) sure beats my current situation. The implant sounds better and better the more i think of it.

[Alibaba]

Ask, are you happy where you are now? Will you be happy with a less reliable sex life as things deteriorate in time?  What options will put you at what you perceive to be your optimal level? What has to be done to obtain that level of satisfaction?  Will pills work, shots, pump, implant, hooker with sump pump lips that can drain a basement full of water in an hour? Cheers man.