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George999

"1. Cut out fast food to only once a month (make it a rare treat).
2. Cut out soda pop. Diet too. Drink more water."

Excellent advice on both points.

"3. Cook your own meals at breakfast, lunch and dinner (including packing a lunch everyday). Think: protein, greens, fruit, whole grains."

Good advice, but I am finding it is better to eat as much food RAW as possible.  Some foods are more healthy when cooked and some foods (like mushrooms) should NEVER be eaten raw.  But with most foods raw is better.  And don't neglect the parts that never get eaten.  They are often chock full of healthy substances.  For example, lemons WITH the peals are rated tops for nutrition.  The peels are often where the best stuff is.  Don't waste it.

"4. If you find yourself hungry at certain times of the day, eat a bit of cheese, some nuts or apple as a snack. The protein in the cheese/nuts will fill you up and the fiber in  an apple does the same."

With cheese, I would suggest checking your reaction with a glucose meter.  I was really appalled at how cheese was driving up my serum glucose.  But that may well be a purely individual response.  As for nuts and apples, you simply can't go wrong on these.

"5. Try new foods from your local farmers market. You'll find a lot of old favorites as well as new things to try. Ask the vendor for recommendations on how to prepare.
6. Read your food labels. The fewer ingredients and less processing, the better."

I really can't add anything to these points.  Excellent advice on both counts.

George999

A REALLY useful website:  http://nutritiondata.self.com/  They got data on food that I found amazing.  Its all there.  - George

George999

Just to illustrate how modern "foods" can mess with the body, recent research has shown that the body deals with glucose in two ways:  1) It detects and responds to rising glucose levels in the blood directly, and 2) it confirms the presence of glucose in the blood with actual taste receptors IN THE PANCREAS that are the same as the taste receptors in the tongue.  So when you use an artificial sweetener, the pancreas gets a mixed signal.  Its glucose receptors see nothing, but its taste receptors are triggered.  The result is an unneeded rise of insulin to deal with glucose that isn't there.  This can not be good for the human body.  - George

james1947

George

Finaly I understand why artificial sweeteners are bad.
My problem is that is I have some stomach problems, the only think is helping me is Coca Cola.
In your opinion, diet coke is worst than regular? I am drinking not too often.

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Skjaldborg

Sweetened drinks and sodas should not be an everyday thing. If you cut them out you will notice a benefit. If it's the ritual that's important, drink some green tea at the same time everyday that you would usually have a coke. Green tea is much healthier and will still give you a little caffeine kick. Coffee is OK too, it has antioxidants but don't add too much fat or sugar.

-Skjaldborg

james1947

Skjaldborg

Thanks for the replay. I do drink green tea and two coffees per day (half small spoon coffee), no sugar or milk.
I was a heavy coke drinker, I am drinking now just if I have some stomach problem.

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james1947

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UrsusMinor

Quote from: Briden on October 22, 2011, 04:24:57 AM
and, again, I'd love to have anybody acknowledge they were vegetarian/vegan at the time they developed Peyronies Disease.

Your wish is granted: I've been vegetarian since 1969 (age 15), without any breaks, without any exceptions. I developed Peyronie's about 3 months ago (I think).

Still vegetarian, but now a vegetarian with a bent dick!

james1947

When I was 20, was able to eat more than one Kg of meet for lunch or dinner, 15 eggs for breakfast.
Now at 66+ barely 200/300 gram of meet and just 2/3 eggs.
Maybe I am becoming a vegetarian also?

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james1947

I just come along an article regarding Paleo Diet.
BBC - Capital - Mythbusting: Fads we've got all wrong
Interesting approach.

James
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skunkworks

RE that article:

QuoteWhile the "research" behind these recommendations is subject to considerable dispute, the one thing we do know for sure is that most cavemen died by age 25. It's true that high infant mortality was a dramatic contributor to this pattern, but the fact remains that few made it anywhere close to the modern day life expectancy of 75 to 80 in western countries.

Why Cavemen Didn't Actually Die Young | Paleo Leap
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/life-expectancy-hunter-gatherer/#axzz3F3E5A5Eq

It is also a silly thing for the article to say as it doesn't take into account modern medicine, lives lived in comparative safety and food abundance.
This is an emotionally destructive condition, we all have it, let's be nice to each other.

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james1947

skunkworks

After reading the two links you provided, my conclusion (I may be wrong) is that both are promoting Paleo Diet (during reading, 2 times popped up advertisements for Paleo Diet). They are not sites that have no interest in the subject, like pure science researches/articles.

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skunkworks

They both link to research ie/ http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf

Besides, the age thing is one of the silliest things that writers who attempt to discredit the diet bring up. Infant mortality, lack of modern medicine and medical techniques, scarcity of food etc mean that the age comparison is neither valid nor valuable when one is discussing nutrition.  
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james1947

Quote from skunkworks:
QuoteInfant mortality, lack of modern medicine and medical techniques, scarcity of food etc mean that the age comparison is neither valid nor valuable when one is discussing nutrition.
So how we can really know if the Paleo Diet is good for us or no?

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skunkworks

Well essentially James, you can never 'know' it about any diet, as the research is generally epidemiological rather than interventional, so all you have is inference, not proof. Correlation being necessary for, but not sufficient to prove causation and all that.

But with regards to the Paleo diet specifically, there is research and there is inference also. For instance, early humans living in a harsh and unforgiving environment, does it make sense to you that those who responded best to the food they were eating would thrive and get more chances to breed than those that did not respond well? Thereby over time the species would evolve to respond best to that diet? That is the Paleo diet. There are problems with the theory, but it is a theory slowing being backed up by research.

There is a large list of studies at the end of this article - Dr. Cordain's Rebuttal to U.S. News and World Report Top 20 Diets : The Paleo Dietâ„¢  and more have been conducted since.

What evidence and studies do you have to support the way you eat currently?

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james1947

No, I don't have any evidence supporting my diet as my diet according to some is very harmful.
In a few words, I eat red meet and chicken, sometime fish or other see food, a lot a fruits and vegetables (really cheep hear, not organic, but what you are buying here in the local open morning market are what people are growing in they garden, taste wonderful) and unfortunately dark multigrain bread and potatoes. Indulge sometimes a cake or some other sweet things.
With this diet, I keep my cholesterol bellow 100 and my sugar bellow 70. So maybe is OK.

James

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james1947

An other study, against red meat that is part of Paleo Diet:
The food that can cut years off your life | Fox News

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skunkworks

QuoteHigh and moderate intake of unprocessed meat were only linked to shorter lifespans when those participants also ate a lot of processed meat. Basically: You should cut your processed meat way back.

Processed meat is not part of the Paleo diet, only unprocessed grass fed meat.
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james1947

I am not against Paleo Diet skunkworks and I notice also the sentence :)
By the way, the red meat I am eating is unprocessed and grass feed from the local open market.

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skunkworks

Didn't think you were :) Always good to see/hear the for and against of things, in this case though I think the study goes some way to supporting the Paleo diet, as real meat was not an issue, just processed(modern) meat.

Sounds like you're getting great quality meat then.
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james1947

The meat here in the early morning market is cut today, sold today. ;D

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james1947

I don't know who is Julie Revelant so I don't know how is the analysis quality, maybe some forum members are interested in the article:
The Paleo diet: Separating fact from fiction | Fox News

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swaggyp12

Hello there,

Is anyone here who could explain to me why feta cheese is good or at least not something to avoid?
I love greek feta cheese, but I always thought it is best to live completely dairy-free...
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projectpd

Hi Swaggy, I love it it too!  I don't know of any effect one way or the other on Peyronies Disease.  The authentic stuff is from ewes or goats milk so will have a quite different protein and fatty acid profile from feta made from cows milk. e.g. won't have the A1 protein in the most cow milk, it will be the A2 type thought to be less allergenic and inflammatory..  
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swaggyp12

Hey project ;D

Okay yea that definitely makes sense, thanks. Can you give me your thoughts on salt? I know it is a big no-no, but everything almost tastes like nothing now that I no longer put salt on my food. Do you abstain from table salt completely?
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no currently I don't worry about it much, but wouldn't go overboard with the extremely salty items such as soy sauce and Marmite and never just sprinkle salt from salt shaker on my plate. The Weston Price website is probably the most pro salt, but it might be misguided. Partly it's because there is so much conflicting information that it's impossible to be confident that it's worth avoiding.  If you are concerned, you can wash or soak feta in water, which is bound to remove a lot of the salt.  Halloumi cheese is even saltier.  And there definitely is such a thing as sodium deficiency, I know someone who had to go to hospital to be diagnosed with it.  It is also important to have a balance of electrolytes and have an intake of magnesium and potassium. I suspect that's the problem with salt, at least a possible problems, that it's purely sodium whereas the body needs a balance of electrolytes. Even the fancy salts such as Himalayan, sea salt and so on still have almost entirely sodium.  Then in the UK there is Lo-Salt which has artificially added Potassium chloride , but I'm not sure that's advisable either. You definitely want to get enough potassium though.  
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swaggyp12

Okay thanks for conveying the knowledge. So let's suppose you pan-fry salmon, do you sprinkle no salt whatsoever on it or just a little while frying it and then when it's on the plate leave it as that? This evening I fried salmon and added no salt during or after preparing it and the taste was incredibly dull...
I will definitely start eating some original grecian feta cheese again, and washing it beforehand is a good idea, thanks again. I get the potassium mainly from eating avocadoes and sweet potatoes, but I have to somehow befriend myself with spinach, maybe it's not as unsavory as I thought 5 years ago, which is probably the last time I tried it  :D  
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projectpd

I try not to add salt, if only because otherwise you get used to it and anything without it tastes bland. It's like habitually adding sugar to tea and coffee, it takes some time to appreciate the flavour without the added sugar.  I think there's no risk of me not getting enough sodium or else I would do it- perhaps it's a reason why I like salty cheeses though, like feta and parmesan.  Ha, spinach, I love its flavour but it does have a strong flavour.  The flavour does go well with strong herbs and spices though, so you can try that.  
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