INJURY & penile FRACTURE - Main Peyronie's factor

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whattodo

Hi all,

I'm new here. I was diagnosed with Peyronie's in 2008, had a slight curve to the left, went to Dr. Mulhall in New York, was treated via traction, VI injections (I believe 6), colchicine, and pentox over the course of a year and a half. I was left not quite normal but functional, with approximately a 30 degree curve to the left. After reading these forums, I put myself on a permanent L-Arginine regimen with hopes that it would keep the condition from flaring up again.

After a year and a half in the chronic phase, things were starting to look up again, until two weeks ago, when I injured myself again. The first injury was slight and to the right side (I believe it was a combination of a partial erection with the mechanical stress of the left-ward curve combined with a tweak of the PC muscle). Anyway, I remained sexually active over the next few days but had some soreness, due to which I was taking aspirin / ibuprofin every few hours and increased my L-Arginine.

While engaging in sexual activity nearly a week later (I thought I had healed or that the pain was in my head or due to my chronic pelvic pain disorder), I believe I aggravated the injury or created another injury, which hurt much more than the first. After that, I realized that I indeed had some sort of injury, and began taking anti-inflammatories around the clock, increased my dosage of L-Arginine, started taking ginger supplements (I heard it's a natural anti-inflammatory), started taking CoQ10, and got a script for Pentox 400mg 3x daily. I completely overhauled my diet, drinking lots of water, eating a salad every day, eating sweet cherries (another natural anti-inflammatory, or so I hear), and trying to in general eat lots of anti-inflammatory foods. I also applied ice every hour for the first few days and am still applying now every so often when I feel sore. This was a week ago, and I still have quite a bit of soreness.

My question is this: Have any of you who have suffered from Peyronie's on this forum sustained a second injury after being in the chronic phase yet healed properly from the second injury without another bout of Peyronie's? Am I doomed to get this condition every time I suffer an injury down there?

Thanks for your help.

George999

I certainly went through this and it turned out to be nastier and more aggressive than the original saga.  You are doing all the right things.  In my case the end result was actually better after the second injury because I knew what to do.  Since that point I have found that CoQ10, or, in my case, Ubiquinol prevents re-injury.  The only thing addition I could suggest that you might try would be switching from OTC pain killers to Celebrex.  There have been reports here that it has done wonders for some in terms of peyronie's inflammation relief.   - George

Woodman

Yes, I ve had 3 diffrent instances with Peyronies. My first bout caused a left curve with consistent pain. Two months later not being use to the left curve popped out hit her pelvis caused a slight lump on the right side. I never got a deviation from that scar its just a bump I can see and feel close to the skin. The following January I just was manuvering my bent equipment to try and insert and right under my second scar on the right side it caused a injury witch in turn hurt very bad and left a scar with a slight bend down to my already congenital curve. The last bout I had to say was on the verge from months earlier and just needed that one extra little thing to make it turn over into an injury because I really didnt do anything to warrant it happening.

Also to say I ve had several small times that I got sore hurt and thought I was going to have another bout and got away with it never having any further damage. After all the learning curves I never had any other injuries. I learned to be VERY careful when engaging in any activity. If engaged in any activity I am driving. I ve learned that I have a wound healing disorder of my penis so if I get an injury its pretty good odds that it will not heal properly.

Hang in there keep up the treatment regiment. If you have a lot of inflammation the Celebrex does help alot. I ve taken it off and on for about 2 yrs now.

Ben

My peyronie was
- first triggerd by a sport trauma. Like the end of my penis was no more connected to the rest. Lack of sensation and curve and loss of rigidity at the end.
- one month later during sex, my partner (unless i was on top) unfortunatly bended it down forcefully. Resulting in a upward and lateral curve and rupture of suspensory ligament.
- recently (5 years after) after a weird manipulation, more scar tissue and loss of lenght and girth (really bad news).

Every time I had a trauma I urinated blood just after. But it was totally painless. I'm very concern not about the scar but about the lack of healthy cavernosal tissue which seems to disseapear like snow beneath the sun.

agent0

has anybody had a penile fracture which was untreated and caused scar tissue turning into peyronies disease?

more specifically a penile fracture would be a rip in the tunica albuginea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_fracture

nemo

If you even THINK you have a penile fracture, you need to go to a doctor immediately, not poll guys on a forum to see how it may turn out.  Trust me - seek out a professional on this, my friend.  

Nemo
51 yrs. old, multiple auto-immune conditions. First episode of Peyronies Disease in 2002. Recurred a couple times since. Over the years I have tried Topical Verapamil, Iontophoresis, all the supps and Cialis + Pentoxifylline. Still functional, always worried.

fubar

Once you have scar tissue or penile fracture, dammage is done. No professional can reverse it.Better to find your own way of healing. This is what we all are trying.The forums knowledge and remedys do do wonders.Give it a try.

Fubar

George999

I am  NOT sure that is true with penile fracture.  Anything this serious *should* be treated by a medical professional.  Peyronie's is a whole different issue.  - George

agent0

i already had the fracture 5 years ago, but the tear was missed during the doppler ultrasound, so it was misdiagnosed. now i have scar tissue in my penis because of the injury.

agent0

well penile fractures turn into peyronies, both have to deal with scar tissue in the tunica albuginea and the corpora cavernosum

nemo

I doubt you had a true "penile fracture" ... which typically involves a loud popping or cracking sound, extreme pain, bloody bruising/hematoma and a trip to the emergency room.  You wouldn't have just gutted it out and recovered.  You may have had some trauma, but likely something short of true "fracture."  I agree, trauma of any sort can lead to Peyronie's, but "penile fracture" is extremely serious and requires immediate medical attention, usually repair surgery.  

You can sprain your wrist, twist your arm, get tennis elbow, etc., but a compound fracture with the bone sticking through the skin ... you don't just recover from that without medical attention.  

Nemo
51 yrs. old, multiple auto-immune conditions. First episode of Peyronies Disease in 2002. Recurred a couple times since. Over the years I have tried Topical Verapamil, Iontophoresis, all the supps and Cialis + Pentoxifylline. Still functional, always worried.

fubar

I have had poppinng during sex I also had a naill go through my dick at six years old no Peyronie's .Trust me if you break your dick you will have Peyronie's. Unless you have super human immune system.

Fubar

fubar

I have had every trauma I can think of through sports and women and out In nature injuries. I know for certain my dammage came from Ed and using inferior ved devices  without instruction and constrictive rings.

I believe constrictive things to be the worst.

Fubar

agent0

QuoteI doubt you had a true "penile fracture" ... which typically involves a loud popping or cracking sound, extreme pain, bloody bruising/hematoma and a trip to the emergency room.  You wouldn't have just gutted it out and recovered.  You may have had some trauma, but likely something short of true "fracture."  I agree, trauma of any sort can lead to Peyronie's, but "penile fracture" is extremely serious and requires immediate medical attention, usually repair surgery.

You can sprain your wrist, twist your arm, get tennis elbow, etc., but a compound fracture with the bone sticking through the skin ... you don't just recover from that without medical attention.

Nemo

im pretty sure i had a fracture. pushed down on my penis, heard a loud cracking noise, swelling, sharp pain, discoloration and in the morning i had bruising all over my lower abs like blood was leaking out of somewhere. pretty much a penile fracture is just a tear in the tunica albuginea. the tear can be anywhere from half a cm to a tear thats 4 cm, but a tear is a tear regardless leaving the corpora cavernosum unprotected. I had a doppler ultrasound but i looked on the internet and apparently ultrasounds can miss fractures really easily. what i needed to take was a caveronsraphy or a mri but we took the mri 5 years later after he injury showing no indications of a penile fracture, but then again i have scar tissue in my penis because i can feel it, and my prenis is almost completely numb. so no real test iv taken has any weight to it. doppler ultrasounds miss fractures to easily and we did the mri way too late.


honestly ultrasounds are useless test, i guess only for evaluating blood flow. my dumbass doctor gave me a test to check on blood flow like i had a pre exisiting e.d problem but i really needed to see was the internal structure of the penis like a mri or a cavernosgraphy.


the swelling looked just like this http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.maricopaemergencymedicine.com/gallery/CaseImage/37/37_xlarge.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.maricopaemergencymedicine.com/current-residents/case-image-detail/37&usg=__MaEpjpTsoKzoHVYZecze_RgL92Y=&h=540&w=720&sz=274&hl=en&start=101&zoom=1&tbnid=ckrKcBCEGmGz3M:&tbnh=105&tbnw=140&ei=JrMoTu-hJ5P1gAeZ_c2ICw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpenile%2Bfracture%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DF5N%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1600%26bih%3D1014%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1


QuoteI have had poppinng during sex I also had a naill go through my dick at six years old no Peyronie's .Trust me if you break your dick you will have Peyronie's. Unless you have super human immune system.

Fubar

i defitely agree with you fubar. iv aquired this damn disease because of a untreated penile fracture. i can definitely feel the hard lump. even my uro told me it was an excess of collagen due to the injury. whats really f'^+'ed up is that he misdiagnosed my injury. even though i went to the hospital  

BENBEN


Recently, a doctor was cited here suggesting that "micro injuries" to the penis (for instance during "active sex") could cause Peyronies Disease. It was claimed that sometimes they are even not noticed.


Can someone elaborate on this issue? (facts, not speculations pls.)


Normal traction or VED usage might cause "micro injuries"?


Thanks



fubar

Ben BEn

Most everything is speculative In Peyronie's disease.Micro damage to the tunic and then a healing process that is compromised by faulty immune system. So when it comes time for your immune system to react sufficiently ams heal it does not.For what ever reason the immune system fails at healing the damage properly.Leaving one with a altered miss shapened penis.

So basically it is believed that when the damage occurs the immune system is broken down.

Fubar

fubar

Ben your last statement rings true with me.lack of expansion loss of wings definately loosing a way to get off the ground crash and burning the pits.

Fubar

pdnoob

Hi

My Peyronie's seemed to have stabilized following my original posts here.  After my initial focus on treating my condition, I tried to move past thinking about it regularly, as it was depressing me a bit, so I have not been on this forum in quite some time.  However, I'm hoping that I might once again get some guidance from the more experienced members of this forum, because -  

- I think I may have (re)injured myself earlier today.  At the climax of somewhat vigorous intercourse with my partner in missionary position, she pushed down with her hips firmly as I was moving upward, forcing my penis to bend uncomfortably for a moment, and there was an audible popping sound.  This took place during ejaculation, so I don't know if my erection was lost as a result of the event.  

My penis feels slightly sore at the base, but there has been no significant pain, nor any swelling, bruising or discoloration.  I googled my symptoms and found a description of my exact situation (I tried to post the link but am not allowed) on a urology board. The urologist there responded that it sounded like a minor tear of the corpora and did not require medical attention, saying that major tears can cause problematic scarring if left to heal naturally, but minor ones typically don't.  He advised abstaining from sexual activity for a few weeks.

The advice from the uro sounds reasonable, but I am wondering if my response should be different or more aggressive given that I already have Peyronie's and know that I am apparently predisposed to scarring?  If so, what should that response be?

One of my regrets regarding the original incident that kicked off my experience with Peyronies Disease a couple of years ago was that I did not attend to it sooner.  I am planning to call my Urologist tomorrow, but it typically takes me 6-8 weeks to get an appointment.  I already take Pentox and Arginine daily, and I am also planning to avoid any sexual activity for the next several weeks.  Is there anything else I should be doing or not doing to try and minimize the impact of this injury if that's what it is?

Any guidance appreciated very much.  Thank you in advance.

Skjaldborg

pdnoob,

Definitely call your Uro and if you tell him about your injury and remind him or your history with Peyronie's he may be able to get you in sooner. I would imagine pentox and arginine would be fine but you might want to add an anti inflammatory like tylenol or ibuprofen if you have pain. If erections are not painful I imagine VED or gentle sexual activity would actually be a good thing-as long as there is NO PAIN. All things considered you might come out of this just fine.

Best,

Skjaldborg

crashbandit

Your injury sounds very similar to myself. It happened during intercourse, not in the missionary position like yourself, but in the girl on top cowgirl style. She liked to grind her pelvis into my pelvis to get the clitoris stimulation but unfortunately for myself, as she was grinding down with her pelvis, mine came up and I also got a loud audible pop. It dosen't leave a good feeling in any guys stomach to hear that sound coming from the penis.

After my penis trauma, I instantely lost my erection and was sore for at least a couple weeks and didn't resume sex again for a solid 3 weeks. Not that I couldn't but he just didn't feel 100% so I waited it out until I felt normal. Little did i know at the time (roughly 2 years before Peyronies Disease symptoms arised) that this trauma may very well have set the ball in motion for my current penis woes with pain and flaccid twisitng.

It's amazing how the long term effects of my sexual trauma didn't arise until 2 years after the initial impact. I guess that's how it can go sometimes when someone's injury is on the border of getting worse or getting better. I really hope I'm on the way up rather then slipping farther down. I'm just super careful when having sex and my partner is 100% supportive.

pdnoob, I'd guess you will come out of this injury unscathed because of your non-existant proceeding pain level after the trauma. If you were experiencing pain and unable to get an erection then that would be a very bad sign. And you are on pentox and all the good stuff. Like skaldborg mentioned, I would not be abstaining from LIGHT sexual activity, if there is ONLY no pain, because the healthy blood flow you will get from it will only help heal you faster with the little bit of linguring trauma.
Cheers

LWillisjr

Anytime I hear of somone posting where they know of a tear or hear a "pop"....  I wouldn't take the chance. I would get to a specialist immediately and get it checked out. You even posted yourself that even minor tears "typically" will heal themselves. Why take the chance and find out after it is too late that you aren't the"typical" one? Get to a male sexual specialist, not a general practice urologist.
Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
My History

newguy

It's a worry. I'm trying to think of a best case scenario for the sound, and thought maybe it could be the suspensory ligament? Any chance of an update? Hopefully you got the frsh injury checked out...

seriouslyinpain

So yesterday by accident, dropped a phone on my flaccid penis.  I can not believe I did this, because I was finally somewhat over what I thought was Peyronies Disease.  There was mild pain at the time, but none now.

I was wondering:  When can know for sure whether it is, or is not Peyronies Disease?  How long do I have to wait to see a lump, or feel some pain, and if none comes, how long til I can clear my mind and say for sure it wont turn into anything?

Old Man

Seriously:

You will have to wait more time than just one day to realize the outcome of dropping a phone on your dick! By now, you should see some symptoms as a result of the incident.

You need to relax, wait a few days more to see if you develop any bruising, nodules or other symptoms. If you do develop any adverse conditions to your penis as a result of the incident, you should seek medical help ASAP. Only a qualified doctor/uro can properly diagnose your case.

Old Man  
Age 92. Peyronies Disease at age 24, Peyronies Disease after
stage four radical prostatectomy in 1995, Heart surgery 2004 with three bypasses/three stents.
Three more stents in 2016. Hiatal hernia surgery 2017 with 1/3 stomach reduction. Many other surgeries too.

seriouslyinpain

thanks old man,

Any other opinions on how long I need to wait until I see the nodule, lump, experence pain etc...

and do you think something like that would cause Peyronies Disease?

james1947

I had never pain and begone to develop a bent 3 months after the TUNA prostate treatment. No any other symptoms.
James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

seriouslyinpain

Well james do you think this would have caused damage?

restore

I don't think so, since Peyronie's usually has to do with blunt trauma to an erect or semi-erect penis.  I think the flaccid penis is pretty resilient, and it would take more than this.  Just my thoughts, but I would not worry.  

The sad thing is, after we have had this disease, and begin to see improvement, we are scared to death we are going to have a relapse even from less harmful events.  

seriouslyinpain

Thanks relapse, how long do i have to wait until I can tell that having no symptoms means no damage was done?

Woodman

Heres one for ya........ a few years back I was taking VI injections. I had to monitor my progess to see how the treatments were coming along. I was home by myself so I left the bedroom door open so I was looking over and measuring the equipment. So my pants are around my ankles and my roommate comes home and his girlfriend and they are calling my name they were out of town and returned a day earlier then planned. So the first reaction is to run and shut the door! Well I tripped on my pants and went flying face down to the floor with a erection. I broke the fall with my hands but I still landed on it hard enough to make it hurt for about 3 days or so. I went to the doctor for my next VI treatment told him the story and we both thought to post pone the treatment for 2 weeks. In the end I worried about it but nothing happened to it in the end and there was no additional damage.

I can't believe I posted this embarrassing story but hope it will help since I ve been in your boat too.

Buklau

Hello everyone,

I wasn't sure where to post this but this looked like the right place. I recently suffered an injury to my penis during intercourse (no fracture thankfully). I went to my physician and he said I seemed fine but to rest for a week. After a week I ejaculated (not from intercourse) and noticed while I was erect that I had a slight bend on the left side of my penis. I went to a urologist because I was also experiencing some pain on the left side of my penis. The urologist says I'm fine as well after examining me (just feeling around) and says I may just be imagining the bend/curve but I know for a fact that my penis is different now. I am also experiencing some pain when I urinate. Is this normal? He told me to take a week off from sexual activity and that I should be fine and that as long as my bend and pain doesnt get worse or prevent intercourse I will be ok.

If anyone has a similar experience I would appreciate the input. This is a very stressful time for me and I am trying to figure out whether I need a third opinion or maybe I'm just being a little paranoid right now.



Thank you,
Buklau

Buklau

It does look like my bend has gotten a little better but there is still some sensitivity on the left side of my penis, although that isnt as bad as it was a week ago.  Any input or help is appreciated. Im thinking of going to another urologist to get a second opinion and maybe an ultrasound of my penis

Luciano

Quote from: Buklau on April 26, 2012, 11:35:15 AM
It does look like my bend has gotten a little better but there is still some sensitivity on the left side of my penis, although that isnt as bad as it was a week ago.  Any input or help is appreciated. Im thinking of going to another urologist to get a second opinion and maybe an ultrasound of my penis
Getting a second opinion is great!
The problem is, not all urologists can identify the scar tissue on ultrasound if it is still very soft and new.
If you can see the bend.. I would also take an errect photograph... (dont worry urologists prefer a photograph to having to get you errect in their practice)
Advantage he will know where to look on the ultrasound.
(But if your bend is only 2 or 3 degres then there is no point in bringing it)
If you are not satisfied with the diagnosis.. get a third opinion.
Those are my suggestions
Luc

jackp

buklau

For another opinion you need a Male Sexual Function Specialist, not a general practice urologist. These doctors are hard to find and you may have to travel to fine one. If your problem persist it would be well worth the effort.

Jackp
http://jackp-penileimplant.blogspot.com/  

Kidsandadog

Has anyone heard of an IUD contributing to this condition?  Also, I have a discrepency in hip extention which causes me to be lower on my left side and keeps my off balance when on my knees.  I was diagnosed with Calf Perthese Disease when I was three which is basically a disease that sets in the bone and in my case my hip socket preventing normal hip growth out of the socket.  I've walked around for 48 years with about a 1/4 of an inch difference and wear lifts in my shoes.  As my heart is beating faster, I can't help but wonder if maybe I'm the cause of this happening to my boyfriend?

OMG, this just suddenly hit me.  This condition didn't happen to him until we'd been together about a year.  He's known to very aggressive intercourse.  He might have been injuring himself all the times we were having sex.

Just a theory, but now I'm really starting to get freaked out because there is NOTHING I can do about my hip extension.  I was born with this condition.

Any thoughts????

james1947

Kidsandadog

Personally, I don't think that your health condition have any connection to his Peyronies and you should not blame yourself.
QuoteHe's known to very aggressive intercourse
may contribute to start Peyronies, but again is not your fault. It what he likes and if you like also, nothing wrong with it.
If he have Peyronies already, should take that in consideration not to harm himself again and take a different approach to sex.

Just my 2 cents.
James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

LWillisjr

I don't think your hip condition had anything to do with it. There are many of us who have had Peyronies and our spouses hips are fine. Peyronies is usually caused by some trauma. Like during aggressive sex you move one way, he slips and goes another and..... ouch. For others Peyronies just happens. We don't know why and maybe never will. You can't blame yourself for having regular enjoyable intercourse.

The main thing is to get his condition diagnosed. Don't assume it is Peyronies. Get it diagnosed by a competent doctor and then treat it with methods outlined on this forum. It does not good to wonder or worry about why it happend.

Les
Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
My History

Skjaldborg

When I went to see Dr. Lue a few years ago, his assistant Dr. Shindel said that fast intercourse is fine if you have Peyronie's, just use a good amount of lubrication. Also, try to avoid rough intercourse with girl on top due to the propensity for injury.

Skjaldborg

panther

Okay, you guys are scaring me with this penile fracture talk.  When I have sex and when I thrust, I feel a popping on the left side of my penis.  Not the side that has the pyronies but the other side.  I have no discoloration or sorenss.  Is this just one side compensating for the other.  I sure hope so because this is scaring me.  

james1947

Panther

I had one time popping and it was the start of my Peyronies. Light pain that faded away in three days.
Maybe I missunderstand you, but you have popping each time you have sex?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

panther

Almost everytime and it is on the left side at the base.  My pyronies is on the right side at the base.

james1947

Panther

You must check out the point with a good uro.
It sounds strange to me to have a "pop" almost every time you have sex.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum