Euthenasia for peyronies?

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QuackAttack

Alex,

This thread was started by one of the people on the forum that is suicidal. Unfortunately, discussions like this really don't move the ball forward in a positive direction. No, there is not euthanasia for Peyronies, it is a depressed state of mind speaking. If you haven't gone to a urologist that deals with Peyronies, then you should find a competent urologist, get an ultrasound and find out what your treatment options are at this point. I, personally, think Xiaflex is the pest option out there and the sooner you start the better. Research shows if you start Xiaflex prior to plaque calcification, the success rate is better. You should use traction and the Penimaster Pro is definitely the way to go. VED would also be helpful. Stay away from the creams and supplements that claim success.

popopo

It depends where you live and what doctor you speak to. Like you said, it can be done for major depression. Personally I think this is kind of a big deal and after dealing with this for 5 years and being unable to work or even relax in a social setting, the anger outbursts, the frustration, the sleepless nights and the on and off addiction for weed tells me I'm probably majorly depressed. I have more crap than just peyronies, but I'd kill to have my penis back so I think that's probably the biggest factor since I wouldnt kill for anything else.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

suicidecomingsoon

ED and Peyronies is a minor disease Alexbi Yeaah..WTF
And that one of us say this .. then we pretend that society takes us seriously, that doctors take this problem seriously, and that they can fix the lives of so many of us that we are getting closer and closer to doing something that if it is not because of this condition we would never think
Guys in theirs 20-30 yo and our life is over, we can not have sex anymore, some have never been able to have it, and you say minor disease.. maybe you have a minor disease but many here are with pain, extreme curvature shortening ED, with their life destroyed or near and some we are in our 20s 30s.
Some drink to not think, others take drugs, others find solutions others do not, some resist and others do not and commit suicide..

So minor disease please F^@%, if we, who have it and know how hard and disgusting this disease is, we say this, after no one is surprised when doctors and society tell us it's just a penis lives with it

I'd rather die than live dead and this disease for a man is almost the worst, so yes euthenasia should be an option or in the end I probably finish with a gun  :)

ÀlexBl

Hi Suicidecomingsoon. In any moment I said that Peyronie's is something MINOR. I said that euthanasia is usually used for people with terminal diseases and major depression. Although I'm currently living the psychological effects of this condition, I wouldn't say that the depression caused by this could NECESSARILY be as devastating as the effects of sexual abuse or a mental condition (which are the few cases in which I have seen that euthanasia is used for people with depression). Having said that, I know that every person is different, so maybe the psychological effect of peyronie's could completely crush a person's life, and then euthanasia could be used in that case. So, at the end, euthanasia could be used for major depression caused by Peyronie's, not for Peyronie's itself. Sorry if I didn't express myself clearly in the other comment. I take Peyronie's very seriously, and I know that it can be devastating to have it.
Quackattack, I'm sorry to have reopened this post, I just saw the title and got curious.

JohnWright

ÀlexBl -- Dude, don't apologize.

One of the purposes of the Forum is for men to be able to discuss things. 99.999% of what is stated on this Forum is mere opinion, someone's opinion is what we read. Why not include your opinion! Do it!

And, it's ok to not have a fully developed thought. That's where discussion comes in.

Not every reader of the Forum will read every word you write, but will instead react to key words and overlook your actual message. It's to be expected on a Forum where men are suffering the mental, physical, and sexual side effects of all things bent dick. Don't be intimidated by it. When a guy dishes it out, he better be able to take some back. Of course, within the rules of proper etiquette here on the Forum.

Keep your opinions and discussions coming!

About euthanasia, I'll add my opinion:  On life's spectrum of any topic, we humans fill the entire spectrum. For example, from the earth's population of 3 billion people, let's gather every person whose favorite color is "purple." Now let's sort these folks by the hue or variation of purple that they adore as their favorite, and you'd have a color spectrum ranging from barely visible purple to the deepest dark. Probably thousands of variations, and as humans, they'd no doubt BE ARGUING over which colors are actually considered purple; valuable; etc.

Now let's connect all things curved dick and the subject of euthanasia. A full spectrum of opinion.

My opinion highlights worldview. If a man truly believes that all women should bow to his dick, and that's all that women are good for, then that man can (and probably should) choose euthanasia. From my perspective he is a walking hazard and impediment to human civilization. Cleansing of the gene pool is a good thing.

If a man truly believes that his dick is the center of the universe and there's no life without the dick (which is merely his opinion and not a universal truth), then first of all I'd feel sorry for him. I've lived the struggle of the curved dick. I've lived through the insecurities, the thoughts of being a second-class-male, the thoughts that no woman would ever want me. The thoughts that I'd spend my whole life not knowing about a sexual relationship with a woman. All because of the dick. These thoughts had a big impact on who I am, how I think about myself.

But, they were merely my internal thoughts and did NOT have much connection to reality -- as life has proved to be no where near as shallow as my self-centered, dick-centric thoughts.


To the woman who would become my wife, I disclosed right up front: "Ahem...there's a thing I need to tell you...you need to know so you can make a decision about whether or not I'm the right one for you. You know how us guys have a dick, and, well, mine is curved. Actually it is quite curved (as I make an arc through the air with my hand). This could limit your sexual fulfillment. You might not even like looking at it." That was about as far as I got when she stopped me and told me that there was so much more to life. For her young age, she seemed full of life's wisdom. She said that there was so much life to enjoy, memories to make, a lifetime of journey to create, and that while she looked forward to some kind of intimacy with me, that intimacy might take other forms. Right then and there she said that if intimacy was giving each other full body rubs, or snuggling and kissing, or just holding hands -- she'd consider herself blessed -- if it just meant being with me.

30 years later we are still quite happily married, and she has always demonstrated love, patience, kindness toward me and my dick. Intimacy surely has been obtained by all variety of other things, all unrelated to my dick.

With 3 billion humans on the planet, and half of those being women, let's consider the spectrum of human desire for sex. If we gathered 1.5 billion women and lined them up according to world view (like the sentiments my wife expressed) combined with sexual desire (which my wife is right up there, she likes sexual intimacy), we'd find women all the way on the left of the spectrum who have zero desire and no zest for life, all the way to the other end of the spectrum. There are 1.5 billion women!! If a man doesn't know any of the hundreds of millions of women in the middle of the spectrum, then that man needs a kick in the ass to get out there and move to a bigger pond.

There is no shortage of women who are looking for a good man. There could be a shortage of men willing to go on an adventure and identify these women. By the hundreds of millions they are out there. It's a statistical reality.

My wife helped me to understand that my dick is but a tiny sliver of the big picture. There's so much more: I believe that life is worth living, that there are people to love and their company to enjoy, adventures to take, good food to eat, helping others that are less fortunate, making a difference in the lives of others, celebrate(!) victories, and take the bad times with the good times. And, she and I have intimacy.

There are people all around us who have suffered far worse catastrophes than a man with a bent dick, and yet, they choose not to let the devastation define who they were...or who they would become.

There is no universal truth which that states men with a curved dick get to act special. Thinking of all that life on earth is comprised of, if there were a billboard for such men as us, it would say, "Listen snowflake, you're not special. Get over it."

My opinion is that a guy sincerely contemplating euthanasia because of the bent dick, this man lives life only for himself. Such a man's small, shallow world is limited to his dick. Like I was, perhaps he was schooled in America and doesn't know how to look at the big picture without someone providing some guidance and wisdom. There could be hope for this guy.

Or, perhaps such a man chooses not to look at the bigger picture. In such situations, this man is to be pitied.

John

ÀlexBl

Hi JohnW

I found your post very moving. Thank you very much for taking your time to write all of this, if you don't mind I will copy and paste it in doc word to read it whenever I feel bad. I completely agree with you. In a sense, I understand these guy very well, because I'm also very young (apparently, too young to have this condition), and I understand that it can feel devastating. The first thing that comes to your mind when something as this happens to you is suicide. Nevertheless, I know that I will find a way to live a happy life. And I know that these guys will be able to do the same thing. It only takes time and effort, that's all.

Àlex

popopo

I can understand suicidecomingsoon's anger, but I think he's being very harsh. JohnW has some points as well, but that mindset doesn't suit me either. I tend to be pretty negative minded, but in a realistic way. I think a dick should work, period. And so do most women. Sure there is more to life, but let's not act like our dicks are just to please women. They're there to please ourselves too. THAT'S what frustrates and angers me. Unlike some men here I would feel worse cuddeling and kissing girls knowing I can not F~@< them and knowing they "love" me (if that even exists cause unconditional love means she has no standards) for everything EXCEPT my manlyness. In her eyes I wanna be the man. Doesn't mean I'm an a$$hole, I just have my standards as well and wouldnt settle for "beta/provider/cuddlybear" roles. It's not black and white, but dicks matter. I think I'm somewhere inbetween the two of you, but I keep an open mind and whatever "truth" you hold on to, I just hope it eventually gets all of you where you want. Personally, I have a backup plan to off myself, but in the meantime I won't bother with girls even if they show genuine interest and focus on other fun stuff in life. Those days I can let it go I'm ok, but I already decided that I live for nothing less than a cure and on bad days I can't deal with people who do not get that and act like "you get used to it" or whatever. I think it's also just a matter of just how high your libido is and what kind of man you are. No offense, but a softer and kinder man would probably be better able to deal with this than someone with a higher ego like me.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

swiss

popopo, I urge you to hang on. They are growing penises in a lab and they are going to be able to fix this problem in the near future. It might be expensive at first but that should just push you to be the best you can be everyday. Try new things, become a bad ass. I know its hard and everything youre going through is normal and dont beat yourself up too much. Save money, make money get strong.

I urge you to join the gym. I have struggled a lot in my life until I began to eat healthy and train in the gym daily. Build a strong body and your mind will usually follow. Keep hanging on brother we are all in this together.


popopo

Thanks for the kind words swiss and you are right. That's exactly my plan. It's been on and off, but all in all I'm in okay shape and have lot of lifting experience and it always helps picking up the weights again. I'm gonna try and stick at it, sometimes get tempted to smoke a phat joint, but hey nobody is perfect and if I really really really cant take it I can always leave especially once I have the drugs to do so. I know it sounds crazy, but having an emergency exit ready actually helps me move forward.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

swiss

Try to stick it out as long as you can brother. I'm 30 years old right now and I figure if I can get this fixed by the time I'm 40 I can have a sex life again. In the meantime I plan on starting a business, making money, getting jacked, and going down on woman for hours on end. This disease can be a whole window to new motivation in life and that's what I plan on using it as. You sound like you're really open to ideas and perspectives. Your pain is completely normal and justified but by the time you can get your sexual life back, you could have accomplished so much in the meantime. Be good bro and hit me up anytime!  

Jack1909

It's a tough life for everyone out there. Despite any kind of good purpose, most of us are likely to fail to fulfill and get rich or make money with a disease that drain most of your energies.
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

popopo

I agree jack it's tiring, but maybe eventually it could also force us to find anothe occupation. Stephen hawking isnt in much of a better position and it didnt stop him from being passionate about what he does.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

ÀlexBl

Stephen Hawking was the first person it came to my mind when I discovered I had Peyronie's. I thought: "Will this prevent me to become successful or a good professional?" And I think that it will probably more difficult for me to achieve my professional ambitions, but it doesn't mean I can't do it. I also thought of Sigmund Freud, the father of psychoanalysis, a guy who really thought that sexual pleasure was the only and true ambition of the human being (a madcap theory, IMO, there are far greater things that move the human being besides human reproduction: the search for  meaning, religion, non-sexual love towards the others). So, basically, Freud almost never had sex although he was married, and that is because he thought that the non-satisfied sex drive actually fuelled him as a professional. Here is the first guy who (pseudo)scientifically tried to prove that the human being's main ambition is sexual gratification, and he actually thought that not having sex was making him a better professional. Conclusion: I don't think at all that not having at 100% the sexual life you desire to have can prevent you to be successful, or being happy.

suicidecomingsoon

What moves the world is money and sex, and both are connected, if you do not want to hear the truth because it is too hard ok, but the truth is that, as simple as that, the other is self-deception (that it's not bad to be self-deceived, it's okay if it helps you keep going, but that's just it, self-deception)

popopo

Suicidecomingsoon, sex is important but not everything in life. Before puberty you had a life and so do asexual people. I'm not gonna deny sex matters because sex is attractive to most and it sells, but if it really is all that matters, how do old people cope?? You think all old people get laid? Do you think thereis not a single happy person that doesnt have sex? I totally get the frustration, but the world is not money and sex. I'm not religious at all, but I do believe going that path is greedy and won't give you anything. Money is a tool to do fun things, money is neber the main goal unless you're greedy and if you are it's never gonna be enough. Same goes for sex. 90 percent of people dont have sex everyday with another hot model. They settle for good sex with a compatible partner especually after an age where meaningless sex becomes boring and harder to get as well. The world is F^@$!ng empty and meaningless yes, but money and sex is as well.. it's all relative cause like I said some people dont even like sex. I know thst I personally LOVE sex and the lack of sex frustrates me, but telling myself sex is ALL that matters in life is simply wrong.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

popopo

And being suicide is not a contraindication for speaking my mind and thinking about moving forward quack attack.  Who says I'm ill for wanting to die? Maybe you're ill for accepting this thing like it's the flu. No offense, but I don't like when people dont keep an open mind to suicide simply because it's not a popular option. Like you see, some think it's madness, others see it as a genuine option and I think people should be able to take their own life. I respect people who think I'll burn in hell for that as long as they respect me for thinking differently.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

JohnWright

popopo -- Seriously. Dude. Get help.

You don't like it when people aren't open minded to suicide! Do you ever read the words flowing from your keyboard???

There are entire safety net systems around the globe to PREVENT you from being successful with suicide. Why would this be?

It's because human life is inherently valuable. Promoting suicide is not a Forum value or desired outcome.

You're coming up on your three year anniversary as a member of the Forum. You've made some great thread contributions to many men who've made their way here during those first emotional encounters with all things curved dick. Keep the positive aspects of your contribution coming!

popopo

I'm not promoting it... did you actually read ALL my posts? I even said life is about more than sex, money and power. Unlike you that doesn't mean I think it's not important at all. I personally keep an exit as second option and that's because I wanna choose if I live or not. I'm not saying you should commit suicide. I post negative stuff and positive stuff. All in all I'm just speaking my mind and what's taboo for you is not taboo for me. What you said about every human life being inherently valuable is nothing more than kind words, but they don't help. I would get help, but they literally told me there is nothing they can do to fix my problem. I'm Seeing a better uro soon, but he probably cant do anything. I've already been told that as well. Also, you are assuming my problem is a "curved dick". Maybe you have a bend dick in chronic phase and can still be intimate. Good for you. I'm practically impotent and can barely feel mine. It also switches from chronic to active phase makeing it impossible for me or anyone to know how far this will progress and I'm only 23. I don't want you to have any sympathy for me, but don't tell me I'm a "small man" or "egoistic" or whatever because I keep an open mind to death. Who says my life gets better? Who says suicidecomingsoon's life is getting better? Who says there js ever gonna be a cure? Just because you think all human life is inherently valuable (probably based on relgious believes which I don't believe in anyway) doesn't mean it's true. I think the person living his life is probably the best person to decide how valuable it is, right?
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

suicidecomingsoon

Quote from: popopo on September 26, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
life is about more than sex, money and power. Unlike you that doesn't mean I think it's not important at all.
I am not agree with this in any way I think you are self-deceived saying this, but I will not write more about it, you already know what I think about this

Quote from: popopo on September 26, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
Just because you think all human life is inherently valuable (probably based on relgious believes which I don't believe in anyway) doesn't mean it's true. I think the person living his life is probably the best person to decide how valuable it is, right?
Anyway here I am completely agree with popo, the thought that any human life is inherently valuable in any way in which the situation of the people are it seems selfish and motivated probably for religious reasons, in some ways it seems to me even bad and cruel to think so, there are people who suffer a lot, people who live in pain, people who are born with deformities incurable and that make them suffer daily, people who suffer day by day and ask for suicide ask to be put euthanasia to be in peace, and here you say that they would be more serious that they would continue living and suffering because for you all human life has to continue to exist even if they are destroyed , or yes that good you are JohnW, honestly that way of thinking seems to me evil and cruel, as you do not happen you think you better person to say this, then let me tell you that you are not.

It is like the example of the Italian guy who suffered an accident that left him paralyzed for his entire life he was in his 20s or early 30s, he wanted to die for euthanasia in his country, but for stupid religious and moral reasons was not even an option, you know what happened after, he had to spend $ 30000 from his family to go to switzerland to a suicide clinic and kill himself. And you would say ohh his life was valuable he should have continued living.. (and sufferind all his life) , but not possibly for him and to live suffering your whole life when you are twenty years old is not an option for many. But hey, you'll think you're superior for your beliefs and your morality, but how easy it is to give lessons when you're not in the situation of others because you never had ED and yourr congenital curvature is now fixed JonhW, but people like popo and me not only have peyronie we have ED too and ED can not be cured if pills and injections dont work, maybe implant? Maybe implant but some people can not face that, so do not think you are so superior to some who think of dying as a possible way out

james1947

suicidecomingsoon

Your answer to JohnW is purely a personal attack and it is not allowed on the forum.
You can argue about his opinion, instead you are personally attacking him.


By the way, I 100% agree with him, even I still have severe ED, 2" shortening, curve and bend.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

suicidecomingsoon

Quote from: james1947 on September 26, 2017, 11:46:50 PM

By the way, I 100% agree with him, even I still have severe ED, 2" shortening, curve and bend.

James
But you have had this disease at 61 years old, you can not compare yourself with guys who have it in their 20 yo, it's just not the same and it's not comparable to having this at your age than ours. I do not say it with bad intentions, it is hard at any age for sure, but you have had a functional penis until 60, you have enjoyed a bit of life at least, you have not felt the anger anxiety, you have been motivated and go on with your life at least until 60 and that's a lot, also if you want you can go for implant as it probably will last your lifetime .. so come on james, in our 20s we should be enjoying a bit of life and how are we? unwilling to live, depressed and frustrated. Put yourself in the place of us and if you say that you do not feel like that, you are not being honest.

popopo

If someone believes all human life is inherently valuable, you can never argue that suicide is an option. Don't bother. They probably get your frustration, but of course they want us to see trough this. Nothing wrong with that, but it bothers me when people who have peyronies (maybe not as bad, but still) act like it's not a big deal.. come on.. some has been around here for years and what has actually changed? Name one treatment that actually works and hasnt been around for years already? Xiaflex is the only thing relatively new and it's not ideal. Maybe I'm not very hopefull all the time, but let's not act like this forum is full of hope anyway... the best results seem to be from ved, stretching and pentox, which are OLD treatments and according to a lot of uro's dont actually work. For thos that have results I'm happy, but I never found a uro who adviced me a ved and i actually worsened my case by trying it out anyway. I've had this crap since 18 and I'm 23 now. Do you think I have that much to lose? Give me a break.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

LWillisjr

All,
I am locking this topic. This topic is not up for debate here and it doesn't promote the advancement and intent of the forum. You all have expressed your personal views on the topic. You are all welcome to IM each other if you feel compelled to make points to each other.
Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
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