Euthenasia for peyronies?

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popopo

Hey people, like a lot of you I'm suicidal. I won't do it unless I'm sure it's the end of the line and at least a little bearable when it comes to pain. I want peacefull death because I dont want this crap to end in more crap and even wake up maybe or whatever.

I don't care about how other cope anymore, I don't care about the sweet little lies women tell me to make me feel better, I dont care about potential "helpfull treatments" (current treatments are garbage and in my opinion do nothing but give you the feeling of accomplishing crap by getting minimal to non-existent results with way too much effort and a result that will never truly make you satisfied cause peyronies doesnt leave like that). All that are helped by things like cialis, pentox, xiaflex, ved, stretching or whatever, I'm really happy for you. But to me it just didnt do anything and ved/stretching even made things worse and painfull no matter how carefull I was.

I also do not care about possible "future" treatments. Unless they can regrow dicks I don't see how it can be fixed.. the tissue is damaged and dead. What could possibly fix it except for real tissue replacement which is way to F^@$!ng complex for 2017. And we all know how it goes. They say 5 years.. then 10 years later they say  10 years again and when we're 40 years further it might be so that there is a mildly effective cream or some crap that barely does anything but is good enough to be approved by the fda.. like xiaflex is.

I'm 22 and feel like I'm already in a life phase I shouldnt be in. Social life sucks without a working penis admit it or not I dont care. I wanna go out and meet girls and crap, but here I am accepting my impotence like an old dieing man who had his best years a loooong time ago.. I could maybe cope if I would also be retired and had no stress, but not likr this.

Anyway, long story short. I wanna die. 99 percent sure. That 1 percent is instinct and false-hope for a future that never arrives and a lot o other small stuff like my cat, my family and other things that I love but without any passion.. I actually dont even act like I love then at all.. I rush all activities and get angry with my family most of the time. I'm a frustrated little crap and honestly, it seems to be the most reasonable reaction to this unreasonably sick torturing and emasculating condition.

Yeah I'm depressed and it might be treatable, but I wont recover from this. I long for an end to this crap. The only problem I'm facing is that I want it to be effective and peacefull. And I want to know if it's possible to get euthenasia for peyronies or the depression/anxiety that goes along with it. Are there more like me? Are there reported suicide's or euthenasia's from people who suffered from impotence/peyronies? Do you feel the same? Is there room for this taboo subject even though it seems fair to me to end it all for myself and my family. Face it.. there is no "good" in this situation. I can do good but it will make me more angry and frustrated. If I was the writer of my own story (which I basically am) I wouldve killed myself a long time ago. I dont think mentally overcomming impotence is overcomming it at all. It's like mentally overcomming loneliness or pain or whatever. "Wow good job for pushing trough the pain! It's still there forever though.. new day, same struggle's. In the end you overcame nothing." That's what pops in my head all the time and it's F^@$!ng true.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Paolo

popopo, Take it from me who has had depressive episodes (work related) you need to get a referral to a psychiatrist. I was initially prescribed Prozac, and absolutely hated it, left me feeling zombie like and not caring to even wash and dress.
My GP referred me to a counsellor for talking therapy after which I no longer needed anti-depressants.

I urge you to seek professional help not only for you but for your families sake, all members here are listening and I am sure we feel helpless for you, please recognise that and make positive decisions.

Please continue to make regular posts.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

Christopher1

Wait for medicine to get better.

Meanwhile - take pentox.
Snake Diet + 5-day fasts + pentox + NeoV's stretching routine + Mito Red Light. Curvature 99% gone.

I also used Todd Capistrant's "Fascial Distortion Model" to help my curvature. Start slowly.

popopo

Been there done that. I'll get into a group for body dysmorphia and I'll get frustrated and angry during theraphy because the therapies literally are BS. Maybe not to you, but to me. Also, again.. I personally, like many many many men, feel that life sucks without a penis and I would rather die. I already get "some" help, but the theraphy they try to get me to is a group of body dysmorphic disorder sufferers and it pisses me off. They F^@$!ng act like it's ALL mental and I'm there wih people that worry about crap like if their face is symmetrical 100 percent of the time otherwise hey won't be THE best looking person in the room which would be horrible. Meanwhile these ppl still get laid while I CANNOT. I dont want to be treated in the same way. That aint helping, that will just make me more frustrated. I actually tried it just like anti depressants and I HONESTLY would rather die than try another *fake* solution cause theraphy is. Why th F~@< woukd I want to grt to 30 like this man? Be real.. I already have crappy  testosterone, look average at best and I'm probably bald by the time my dick can be fixed. I'm almost bald right now man crap.. never had the chance to picknup girls being a young man. I gotta get my elderly male groove on and try to hit it with the old ladies I suppose?? Sorry.. but I'm nit craxy, just realistic. I think this is suicide worthy and I just really hope I can do it in a nicer way than shootig myself trough the head and euthenasia is more peacefull. I also think we as people should be able to choose life or death. This is not "absurd", I have all the right to call my life shite. So do you, but you can also love life, it's what you feel and I respect that. I on the other hand feel NOTHING but misery and I want to get over that. And since there is NO WAY of besting life in the long run, becayse we all die, I dont see why I would even go to theraphy. And I want to take pentox. But for what? Like I said these a$$hole docs still didnt diagnose me properly.  
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

popopo

Don't let my age fool you, I'm quite aware of what life has to offer me and the hands I've been dealt. I also know how tharaphy works and how my life wouldn't actually improve, I'd just feel better. If I could be the happiest man in the planet, but I'd still be impotent.. no wait.. that's not my thng. Sorry.. that is just either not going to happen, or it is, but I actually dont even want that to happen. I just rather be "nobody" than the impotent guy. I think my deah is justified, it's the only way I can really control the outcome of this and I think there is really really really no reason for a man to live if he can't have sex anymore and I don't care how others feel about it. No, oral and figereis foreplay, not F^@$!ng sex.maybe its sex for lesbians, but for a hetero couple its foreplay. I want to be what a man is.. someone with a penis. See? I'm just being real because I wont tell myself the little white lies the F^@$!ng psychiatrists will tell me.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Pfract

Hey... there is a member of the board FT, that killed himself because of ED. He posted on the board, a couple of days before he hung himself on the hotel room he was staying in. It was a shame, since he was so close to getting an implant.

You can get one too, and solve this. Good luck!

Paolo

Sorry, I don't think you want to listen, just rant over this  >:(

Take some time out and then return to the forum, posts are becoming more and more negative.

When you have seen both your parents pass away in front of you (I nursed my mother for several years due to Alzheimers) then peyronie's (for me) is nothing but a distraction. I am truly thankful for every day after seeing someone who was so independent having to depend on me for everything, becoming an adult baby, but at least a baby can still learn, Alzheimers means bereavement before death  :'( Death is something you never ever get over.

I have said possibly too much, I am not looking for sympathy, in the end only you can help yourself, take from that what you will
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

popopo

I appreciate your imput and I'm sorry for your loss. I'm negative and I agree that I cannot see it any other way. I try to be positive, but honestly.. it's not like things are changing. I've been here for years now. And yeah my mood is changing and I don't care if people think it's weak. This life is weak. And yeah I feel sad for my parents andI feel guilt and grief, but I didnt choose this. They could be mad at me for doing it, but that makes as much sense as me getting mad at them for being put on this world. I grt what you're saying paolo. Do you get what I'm saying too? Also, maybe you're not an atheist like me and then I can see how you think every life is precious, but if this is all whats the point? Pryronies  only issue either, I have horrible floaters and some other minor annoyances, but add it all up and I get tired and anxious all day. Hard to relax when your dick hurts, you can barely see and you know you'll be alone in the next years. Your xperience may differ and I respect that. Respect my opinion too please even if it's taboo.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

popopo

An implant is hardly ideal. I dont need this, I'm insecure enough without a plastic tube inside me.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Paolo

Thanks popopo, I guess we need to walk in each others shoes, so to speak to appreciate our unique situations  :).
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

popopo

True, but one thing we have in common and that's peyronies. I just hope we'll get that fixed one day because I think it will take the sharpest edges of the whole situation. It's not the be all end all solution, but then again, what is? Life never stands still, but being able to have sex and be intimate again without shame would be a pretty neat distraction from the harsh realities of life. It's not all bad, but I miss that a lot and I just hope one day I can be the lucky guy for once.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Jack1909

What about amputation? I've been thinking about it as the pain has become umbereable..
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Tychy

Guys, sorry, but this is way over the top. I was in a major depressive episode from an early age on. Most of my childhood and early teens consisted of me wishing to un-exist. I can understand your "reasoning" here. Except that your reasoning and perspective is flawed. That's what depression does to people. They only see stuff from a negative and hopeless feedback thinking loop.

First of all, it's only your penis. Hate other people for forcing the wrong masculinity perspective on society and you, if that helps. But that's just a minuscule part of what makes one a loving person. Care for others, care for your beliefs, give back gratitude you receive. Life is fleeting for all of us. You may plant a seed of good intentions in the people you're surrounded by or give them grief. Whatever, your impression in life is what sparks actions beyond your existence. Not your dick. On a cosmic scale you are just a blink in the eye of whatever you believe in....or the universe or what. Try to infect at least some people near you with love that will propagate.

Other than that: get therapy. If one therapist isn't working, get another one. Go to a damn pain clinic, if you are having pain. There are even special departments for chronic pain patients, that offer medicine in combination with therapy.

Shift your perspective. No one other than you will be able to do that. It's only your dick.

PS: If this sounds rude, sorry. I learned from experience that if you are determined to go through with this, I won't make a difference with anything I'm saying, either way.  

lessor

Its not only your penis. Its your identity. Those people who say is only a penis... not is only a penis is your life F~@<

Tychy

Yeah, it's easier to ask for euthanasia and amputation, than reconsidering your beliefs. Nevertheless, if it brings you pain, you *might* consider this. Ask yourself if that's what you truly are or if that's what someone else has taught you or society is expecting.

Sorry, but, it's just not your identity. It's what you made out of it. Your identity and self awareness is in your brain. And that has neuroflexibility.

Like, I'm also affected by this whole situation. My dick and sexuality surely is a part of me, but I won't go down with life for this? There are enough other things to do, while you wait for therapy options to appear.  

skunkworks

I just don't get why someone would rather be dead than try an implant. They work really well from most reports that I have seen.  
This is an emotionally destructive condition, we all have it, let's be nice to each other.

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Tychy

I always viewed that option as the 6-billion-dollar man way out. We can rebuild him ;D
I asked my doc recently and he told me the newer models are lasting way up to 20 years. Why not? It's a valid option if everything else fails.

But that's my whole point. The reasoning is flawed. Either because of depression or media/parent constant manly brainwash f*kup.  

Jack1909

I see your point. Just to be clear I m not the kind of guy who depression leads him to feel like doing nothing. I really want to do many things. I do sports, I remain active as possible as I can, I try to do whatever I can but all narrowed to a brief window of time as pain rapidly take me over. I graduated and I m applying to a post degree course in my hometown that includes a big array of study abroad opportunities. I'm applying to do one semester in Japan as well, just because I can't stop daydreaming. So yes, I'm studying japanese and I'm C1 in portoguese, French and English. I'm even depositing a patent for something I ve been working on..
I'm not bragging, I just want to be clear. And when it comes to therapy, you'll struggle to find somone who tried more than me. I travelled all around Europe so many times..and so many times I've been totally let down. I had three straightening surgeries and after each of them I found myself worse than before (I'm talking about pain). I have a giant stitch pushing against the nerves..do you think I did not see any pain.related doctor? I'm taking medicines but as long as the monster pushes that's the way it is. A nerve mess.
What I really lack is feeling free to do what I want. I am so miserable that I'm frightened every time I have to go to the restroom (no explanation needed)..sometimes I chose stinking over having a shower. I had one yesterday, I cried later.

So I'm totally with popopoo, and I still think.that my option might be good. I
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Jack1909

I will never pick an implant and I'm sure who goes for it never experienced severe nerve pain. Urologists who offer it do not see the problem as well as they are all limited to their limited perspective and field: straightening and ED. It's the only thing that matters to them. They wreck your nerves? It's not their business."Just go to a neurologist!"  
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Tychy

@jack: well amputation in that state is a different thing than killing yourself. I was nagging about that mainly. There may be other treatment options regarding pudendal nerve blocks or implants or local cutting of nerves that cause your pain. That would be the field for a clinical neurosurgeon.
I suppose combining an implant and nerve blocking would be efficient in preventing pain and still getting psychological satisfaction out of PIV intercourse to satisfy a partner.

All discussion is valuable here. I'm not devaluing your point of view or efforts. But there are definitely ways out of chronic pain to an externally reachable part of your body somehow. Pulling out the suicide hammer first before trying all the stuff available is just not wise. And it leaves a strange impression on new members reading this, leading to catastrophic thinking. I feel the language reading "killing myself" has increased a bit in the recent weeks or months. That's why I was intervening like this.

I know the pain demographic here greatly varies and it's few people who are in a constant state of agony. I'm empathic with your situation and really wish for improvement regarding your current state.  

Paolo

Quote from: Tychy on July 11, 2017, 03:26:22 AMAnd it leaves a strange impression on new members reading this, leading to catastrophic thinking.

Tychy, couldn't agree more, perfectly worded and dangerous for guests visiting this site, this site should be a beacon of hope and aspiration, let's shelve this as there are endless points of view, a guest visiting this site should feel calmed and inspired, not disillusioned (more) with life  :)
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

popopo

The reason I dont want an implant is because I still lost size, I dont know if feeling will return to normal, I doubt it. I already have chronic testicle pain and a tube down there isnt goingg to make that better. And I'm still active too, but it doesnt fix peyronies. And yes the penis is a big part of our identity. I can see what you're saying tychy. But your beliefs are nothing but a "trend" too. It's the newest thing to all go into theraphy and blame everything on our "perception" and the flawed and toxic masculine thinking.. please... those social justice warriors and third wave feminist lefties are the worst. And I used to be a lefty myself, but this new wave of losers blaming society is the worst. Look man... it's not media or society or whatever. It's biology.. I dont care what people think of me. I only care what girls I want to have sex with think of me, because if they think I'm a loser I cannot have sex or a relationsship. I hate having to be alone for this. I would also hate to be in a relationsship with a girl I cannot have sex with. These feelings are not because of the media or society. I had a dick, I feel this way since the age of 12 and my OWN completely natural desires will never be fullfilled. In my opinion it's he other way around... society nowadays acts like its normal NOT to get your desires fullfilled. Back then we had e church to keep less blessed folks content and chilled out even though life sucked for them, now its theraphy. It's just another way to keep society well structured and to "help" the weak without actually helping. Society didnt train women to like big cock for example.. we have bigger dicks on average than all primates even though we have a common anscestor. In other words... natural selection made the human male's penis bigger. So what does that mean? from an evolutionary stand point it means for whatver the reason is, hung males where better able to spread their genetic material makeing the human population more hung on average. The shoulder to hip ratio is also somehing thats scientifically proven to affect masculinity and therefore attractiveness. High testosterone is attractive to females too and well these examples.. often people say its because of the media and society and all that, but be real people. If you even have a slight knowlecge of the animal kingdom and biology than you know these masculine traits are attractive to any women, brainwashed or not. Its pathetic to think otherwise, like the fat feminists who look like 50 years old men and think its society makeing them appear unattractive. Get real people. Even if that means some people will nit be valuad anymore, its the harsh reality. Now if you want to be positive AND stay real than I can see how I could still contribute to society in other ways, but I dont want to work hard to help a world that I do not belong in. Even if all this is "crazy or flawed" I still think I'm closer to the truth than the "healthy" theraphy addicts.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

popopo

I do agree about the impression, but thats all it really is. Its not nice to talk about it like this, its not nice to see it this way and its sad and not helpfull. It still doesnt mean I'm wrong, but sorry for (possibly) discouraging others. It was never my intentionnthough, I just think its important to be able to talk about this taboo subject openly, because yes.. I think its pretty rough that this chronic problem only takes the mental part of my life, but not the physical one. Its a disease with no end. It doesnt kill, just drives men insane. I honestly think suicide is tragic and dont want wnybody else to do it here so thsts not the goal, BUT I dont want people to tell me Im wrong for feelig this way cause I'm not. Euthenasia is different from jumping in front of a train and the more open we can talk about these issues, the better because that way some people who will die anyway can do it more peacefully AND MORE IMPOTANTLY wihout failing. Failing a suiciee attempt is not luck or a sign from god or whatever. Its pure hell and could leave you worse off than before.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Jack1909

Sorry Tycy but you are proposing me to block a nerve damaging it further and insert an implant in order to have some kind of psychological pleasure deriving from pleasing a partner..that's sounds to me more insane than suiciding...

It also tells us how deviated by the medicine you all are and how far from thinking freely. You are telling me I am supposed to wreck all the functional erectile tissue remaining and shut my nerves down just to avoid a life of loneliness. Well, if you are willing to do something like this, you are weak.

If only we had not turned off our ability to judge things by logic, maybe today crap like implants would not be in the market. But we preferred a world in which science wins over logic in a way that devastating penile tissue to give people the penetrative act back it's more than ok. No matter what..
 
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Jack1909

It's not about spreading pessimism, it's about the fact this forum is clearly divided in groups. It's not like a hair loss forum.
Some belong to that one involving middle aged man hit by peyronies but still able to do have some kind of intercourse.
Others have it to an extent they barely get out of the bed.

Thus, some have it up to 50 years old and others still in their twenties. Probably these ones should create a different group as despite it's the same disease, having it when you are still in the college or at the high school makes all the difference of world.

That being said, I respect everyone pain..
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

popopo

I disagree. Of course evey case is different, but I think most men are hurt by the disease because in one way or another it affects their potency. I think I'd probably feel the same if I was 40, but maybe I'd move on if I had a wife and kids by that time. I got this at age 18 and never got over it so could be that that plays a huge role in me not accepting this. I also have a history of seein crappy  doctors who told me its in my head mostly. I feel psychologically tortured by this "I dont care" attitude from doctors, while I still have pain on and off. Idk what's wrong, but it keeps progressing on and off, but according to the doc it's impossible because I only have minor scar tissue and it would not get any worse. Thing is.. that was 2/3 years ago and I dont recognize my oenile shape anymore. It's been hurting and getting more deformed over the years and only now I'm getting a proper exam and diagnosis. They still wont be able to help me they told me so wtf? Feel pretty crappy  when the average member of this forum offers more help than any doctor I've seen. And yes I should take mym own action and I did befpre, but I have "body dysmorphia" so you can imagine what a doc will say to me if I hurt myself even more trying to use a ved or traction. I hurt myself before and nobody will help me, they would even tell me thst its yet another indication that I have bdd. Its a canundrum or whatever you call it and I'm sick of this "help" from "doctors" that only makes me worse.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Tychy

@popopo: strongly worded. I, for myself, hate this safe space movement and SJWs, so don't put me in the same category.

@both: I hope you find salvation from your pain. Either way. You already have made up your minds. It's meaningless discussing the situation with you, it seems, as you totally ignore even getting in the right mood to think about your position from another point of view.

Also you won't get any suicide tips or extreme body mod instructions from me and I hope nobody here does. There are other forums that fit this mindset more.

I always felt we are a scientific and experience discussion community with an additional mental support, if you're down. Not as a bringer of self destruction.

/lastpost - mic drop

Jack1909

It's meaningless? I think you missed some of the passages I wrote down. What is supposed to think a person who has been persecuted by doctors over a decade? This is not a suicide, this is killing a person under the cloak of legality. I just had a congenital curvature in a healthy penis that has been turned into a disable freak..you tell me to get a surgey to have the work completed. what you expected? Get out the bubble you live in...

The only thing meaningless is this forum (great forum indeed, seriously) is this section. It's sickening and make you feel worse.  
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Toronto34

Hey Popopo,

I agree with you that lots of what we find physically attractive is biologically determined and societal attempts to re-engineer that are dumb. I find young women with nice skin, symmetrical faces and large breast/ butts attractive. It's true, I am an ape and I can't change that.

But I also find unintelligent or humorless women to be terribly unattractive, regardless of their physical qualities and I never assume I'll find a partner who checks off all my desired physical traits anyways. I like big breasts, but most of the women I've dated don't have big breasts. They had other attributes, including non-physical ones, I liked so I didn't care. I am sure that even my pre-peyronies dick wasn't their ideal either. Or my face, or my skin, or my shoulder-hip ratio or my lame jokes or my whatever else.

My point is that human attraction is not some simple, biologically pre-determined thing that we are all slaves to. Especially for women, who traditionally find things beyond physical attractiveness to be important. I think we can all find women who won't care about, or even like, our weird dicks, even if those dicks have to be artificially pumped up. It's not ideal, but you can find happiness and love in less than ideal situations.

And have you actually talked to many women about penis size? Most women truly don't consider it nearly as much as we think. This is not me regurgitating feminist propaganda or whatever, I have lots of female friends and I've straight up asked them before. Honestly, most do not care, unless maybe when they're dealing with a very small penis. Yeah there are some size queens and lots of girls might have sex with a big dick on occasion, but most are indifferent if their partner is 4 inches or 6 inches or  8 inches, so long as he's got lots of other attributes they desire.

One of my most beautiful friends – she could have been a model – even told me she actually likes a smaller to average sized dick because she doesn't like feeling "stretched out." It's cliché but women genuinely want a good personality, humor, drive, kindness, ability to provide etc. more than a giant schlong. They also don't think of sex as being focused on the penis in the same way we do.

I know you have your biological arguments, but again I find this idea that all women crave giant cocks because of evolutionary biology to be reductive. A 4 inch penis is much bigger than most primates, both literally and relative to body size. So what? Does that mean that most human women are looking for Peter North as their ideal partner? That's a stretch. Our larger penises are probably the result of sexual selection, but that could just mean that human women like looking at a slightly larger members than orangutan females. I doesn't mean that guys with smaller members are incredibly unattractive and undesirable to most human women. Considering how few men have dicks bigger than 7 inches, it would seem to indicate that is not biologically desirable or at least not important.

I know you're dealing with a lot, including pain, which is the worst. I get the frustration and anger, but just like the SJWs you rail against, you should consider that you are also bringing your own biases to this and there are other ways of looking at these issues. Have a little compassion for yourself and a little more openness to what women might actually want/desire because it's not so straight-forward. First and foremost, I would focus on resolving your pain though. I have been my most despondent when the pain is bad. If you can manage that than I think you can have a renewed outlook.

Stabler

"Most women truly don't consider it nearly as much as we think. This is not me regurgitating feminist propaganda or whatever, I have lots of female friends and I've straight up asked them before. Honestly, most do not care, unless maybe when they're dealing with a very small penis. Yeah there are some size queens and lots of girls might have sex with a big dick on occasion, but most are indifferent if their partner is 4 inches or 6 inches or  8 inches, so long as he's got lots of other attributes they desire.

One of my most beautiful friends – she could have been a model – even told me she actually likes a smaller to average sized dick because she doesn't like feeling "stretched out." It's cliché but women genuinely want a good personality, humor, drive, kindness, ability to provide etc. more than a giant schlong. They also don't think of sex as being focused on the penis in the same way we do."


This is a true statement.

Stabler67
Moderator since 2015- Missouri- I work in the medical field and have strong knowledge of insurance and how to obtain coverage for medication and other treatments. Being a woman I do not have Peyronies but you can ask me anything. I am happy to help.

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Quote from: Toronto34 on July 11, 2017, 11:14:48 AM
Considering how few men have dicks bigger than 7 inches, it would seem to indicate that is not biologically desirable or at least not important.
Did you heard about 20/80 rule? 20% of guys who are well hung can F^@% 80% of girls, while other 80% of small or average guys need to fight for 20% of girls. It's very sad but this is a true "red pill". I'm sorry, I didn't want to offend any of you guys. I'm in the same crap.

As for womens... Unfortanatelly, they're may said "size doesn't matter", but it's just a sweet lie, in their minds they're thinking quite different.

@popopo, my man, please answer on my message in PM box, I'll be waiting.

Toronto34

Just because someone came up with a catchy sounding rule it does not mean it has any basis in reality. Is there any scientific study that backs that 80/20 rule up? Would that even be possible? Also, how would a woman know how big a guy's dick is before she sleeps with him? Sure, women share secrets but there's not an active directory of men's penis sizes out there.

Look I am bigger than average, but I've never got a woman by telling her that or showing her a picture (try that, see how it goes...). I get them by talking them, listening to them, making them laugh, having fun with them. I have a friend who used to brag about all the girls he got with his "pin prick." He wasn't even good looking and did way better than me.

Physiologically speaking, this idea that all women crave big cocks is dumb as well. I actually dated someone and our sex life suffered because she was too small for me. It sucked, because it kind of hurt too much for both of us. She actually said I was too big for her and not in a fun, sexy, porn way. She was upset and felt like there was something wrong with her. I am not even that big and I was too big for her. It F^@$!ng sucked.

On the opposite side, I've also been with a woman and it felt like I was sliding a hot dog down a hallway. She could've handled a guy twice my size, and probably preferred that, but we still had fun.

Human relationships aren't so simple, guys. You can't reduce them to numbers or easily explain them with theories about evolutionary biology. I've dated a lot and I've seen lots of different women, with lots of different body types. I like all shapes and sizes, so why would women be different? I've also grown attracted to women, I initially found unattractive. Humans are animals and we have animal desires, but we're more complicated than that.

Also consider that you've been fed some BS as well. Yeah, some women care about size, but have you also considered that there's countless companies trying to profit off men who have insecurity about size? They sell pills and extenders and whatever else, usually advertising on porn sites where we are bombarded with images of gigantic dicks non-stop. There's a whole industry that wants you to feel inadequate so they can profit off of you.

I get this Peyronies stuff sucks. I am developing new insecurities about my body I never had before. It's already killed one relationship for me and not because she had a problem with my penis but because of my insecurities. I told her flat out my peyronies, said it could get worse and told her she could leave me now and I'd understand but she was like, "I don't care." In the end I felt so unconfident about how my penis looked and was working so I pulled away. She ended it because I wouldn't even try not because I didn't meet some ideal of hers. I won't make that mistake again.

Christopher1

Toronto is absolutely right. 100%.
Snake Diet + 5-day fasts + pentox + NeoV's stretching routine + Mito Red Light. Curvature 99% gone.

I also used Todd Capistrant's "Fascial Distortion Model" to help my curvature. Start slowly.

QuackAttack

PooPoo,

I get the way this condition screws with your head. I've and most of us have been there to some extent or another. I am going to give you two very sound reasons why you should listen to your 1% and kick the 99% to the curb. 1st: Killing yourself is extremely selfish. The pain and misery that occurs for the people you leave behind is the ultimate in selfishness and shows a lack of caring for your loved ones. 2nd: From a Christian perspective, killing yourself would send you to a life of eternal misery. You can always ask for forgiveness, except if you kill yourself. If you think peyronies is painful, think about eternity in constant misery with others wailing and gnashing their teeth. You have to pick yourself up and fight through this.

popopo

Toronto you say all this and state you are abobe average yourself. I was too and felt small then so you cannot imagine how I feel being IMPOTENT, instead of just small. All the sex talk makes no sense anymore cause like I said I'm unable to.

Second, I disagree with the 20/80 rule alexsamo said when it comes to penis size.. thst is not alk there is, HOWEVER, it's definitely true if you take these numbers and instead of using penis size, use a combination of penis size AND testosterone. Gues what mt other issue is? Damn right, low-normale test levels thst are too high for trt and too low to feel optimal. Nobody will perscribe me test, but everybody tells me its far from optinal too. Form a biological pov I AM f'~c<+d, get real.

QuackAttack, I think I already said I'm an atheist and yeah I can see that from a christian point of view its ALWAYS worth it to live. Let me tell you this.. if I go to hell for this I cannot imagine satan being the bad guy. Think about that man. I'm open to believing there is a god, but it's just not realistic. When was the last time a prayer worked? Try looking up the statistics on that.. can you find a study that proves praying works? And how about harlequin disease for example huh?

I appreciate all your input and believe me I try to take it all very seriously, but the god part is the worst man.. really quack attack... if god was real, why woukd he F~@< us.. how does darwinism make sense then? How does science make sense? If god is real then what are genes? Whats the point? Why did god decide person A is superior to person B even when person B is more pure and nicer etc.? Why does trump become president and african babies dont live till age 5???? Wake up man. Not trying to be an ass, but let's assume god is there and he IS almighty? Why does he abandon loads and loadsof people that dont abandon him? Why did god create gay people or sick people? Or is that "satans work"? I think not because god created men right? Then why did he purposely make mistakes? He literally made some people in such a way that they have no choice but to sin. Doesn't that mean he knows ahead of time you're goinf to hell or not? I mean.. its bad enough thst he sends people to hell because he's too good to save the maggots. But it's worse when you know he created us all so HE makes us sin. If this is all a test, then why does he test some harder than others? The more I thibk about it the more I believe god is a more arrogant version of satan.. why? Theyre actuallt the same. Powerfull beings ruling men, except satan is real about being an ass while god is an ass, but acts like a hero. I dont wanna offend you honestly I do not, but before telling me I'm selfish and will burn in hell, explain this all for me.

The truth is that we cannot imagine dieing as we live, but the closer we get to death because the pain is building the more we long for it. And we all get that time which is why sayong suicide is bad is rediculous. We all die and the thought thst after this there is "nothing" is scary, but the point the pain becoming unbearable is when we realize this "nothingness" is a blessing. That's why death is death and life is life. There is no after life and then another afterlife after thst life etc etc. This aint disneyland and by the way.. wouldnt heaven be a little full right now?
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

LWillisjr

I am not sure of where all this dialog is going. If this forum is as great as you all say it is.... then it is here to help and to be positive for people. As I read through these posts all I hear and feel is anger. I am sorry that some have been dealt a bad hand, and that some have had bad outcomes. But much of what is being said are people's opinions and feelings. And continuing to discuss it hear is not solving anything. I am sorry, and I feel bad for certain ones here who are dealing with pain and feel they have nothing left.

I believe in this forum, and free speech. And right now is the only thing keeping from deleting this whole thread. IF some of you want to argue over this I would ask you do it through PM's to each other and not openly here.
Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
My History

lessor

You should not delete or close this thread. Here are the authentic feelings of the people who are going through this, which many in society do not want to hear, or minimize, even some urologists.

This sub-point goes on the psychological aspect and this is what many feel. Why hide it? Is not this just one of the problems with this disease? That many people do not speak publicly because of shame and that society does not know what we feel about who we have this, we should not minimize this disease and less we should hide what we feel many only because it is hard to hear it, to do that would be to step back, hide what we feel and speak privately without being able to show it to the public is a mistake.
The sooner it can be seen and heard that it is what many people feel when we go through this, before society will realize that it is not just a penis, it is a great part of your life, of your being, and maybe and only maybe so some doctors work harder to find a solution.

I sincerely believe that this post should not be closed or deleted, it is necessary for people to know how many we feel

skunkworks

This is an emotionally destructive condition, we all have it, let's be nice to each other.

Review of current treatment options by Levine and Sherer]

popopo

Thanks skunkwork, your article actually made a difference and gave me a little hope. The christianity bs made me worse and the attitude some people have is not optimistic, but plain blissfull ignorance.
Age: 25
Date of onset: 17
Symptoms: sharp pains, numbness, change in shape/size, hourglassing and discolaration from jelqing/VED usage as a teen. Diagnosed with a venous leak and possible scarring.
Treatments tried: cialis, pentox and VED didnt help

Ralf3

Les, never think of deleting a thread or posts again please :)

It is very necessary for other strugglers to know that there are people who feel exactly the same or are going through simmilar difficulties, even if they have the darkest thoughts.
Moreover, you can see some problems from a different angle thanks to replies from very wise and skilled persons here on the forum and it has always been very delightful to read.
Jack1909 posted very inspirational post about studying new languages, applying for schools far abroad, generally being active despite his great struggling.
Also the wonderful female member Stabler keeps posting wonderful ideas relentlessly again and again to all the guys in troubles.

I have been here for 10 years already and back in 2007 there was this young guy with a nickname "antony". He had severe condition with impotence near to 100 percent. He was posting very sad and hopeless posts and it was always great to read what Hawk and other wise men were writing him back.

Thank you.

Lester7

There is a book called "feeling good" by David burns that has helped me with depression (which I have had problems with for much if my life.) I go back to it when I get low, and I've recommended it to at least 20 people since finding in 2000. May not help with the Peyronie's but will help you deal. Good luck!

Lester

lessor

The story of Antony only gets me to depress even more, his messages are from 2007 and he said "what I do I hope 10 years that the dr atala can regenerate the tunica ?, I do not want to wait ten years" and now we are here 10 years later and atala does not say anything new, and we are waiting another ten years and if within ten years we spend like antony and we are equal, F~@< that crappy  stories. How did the story of Antony finish? Does anyone know?

Ralf3

He had some serious condition with suspensory lingament involved and almost no erection at all. I was having some PM conversations with him back from 2007 to 2009. Last message he sent me was on June 20th 2009 and that is also the last time he was online on the forum. His last sentence was he was tempted to try some chinese herbs, arginine, massages, ved etc..
I have no idea what's going on with him now.

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Quote from: lessor on August 07, 2017, 03:48:29 PM
The story of Antony only gets me to depress even more, his messages are from 2007 and he said "what I do I hope 10 years that the dr atala can regenerate the tunica ?, I do not want to wait ten years" and now we are here 10 years later and atala does not say anything new
I have same thoughts as you have. In 2007 he's probably thought that in next 10 years this problem would be solved. Now, ten years later in 2017 we are on absolutely same place as 10 years ago. If someone says me that in next 10 years things will be as same as 10 years or 20 or 30 years ago, I'll probably commit suicide in next year, when I turn 27. It's a terrible world we live in. I'm also wondering like "why almost every guy who introduce himself on this forum, says that before Peyronies Disease he was 7.5" or 8" or even 9" in length?" WTF guys??? Isn't a statistical average erect length is like 5.5" to 6.5"? Why so many guys with pornstar size? Or all these statistics of average penis size is a BS?

lessor

I see it like this, we are doomed, I feel like dead in life

Paolo

Yes, BS, the average US penis is 5.7" Inches, don't believe any less  :)
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

Jack1909

Quote from: lessor on August 07, 2017, 07:54:55 PM
I see it like this, we are doomed, I feel like dead in life

I think there are many treatments on their way. Dr kuehhas I spoke with recently is confident as well..let's see
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

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Like what, for example?

Jonbinspain

Dr Kuehhas operated on me some 20 months ago. I had a completely sexually unusable penis. A serious curvature, with ED too.

It has been a long road, but 20 months later I'm pretty much back to what I used to be - maybe 1cm or so down on size.

The recovery is very much in your own hands ( pun intended) manual stretching, traction, VED. At one stage I thought I would never see a good erection again. But 30 mins per day of VED, plus keeping fit, supplements, etc.have sorted that one out too.

My apologies for the lengthy diatribe, but I hope it shows there is a light at the end. Yes, it's not cheap, and yes it requires a positive attitude and determined application from you, but it's possible.,

ÀlexBl

Hi guys, I'm new in here. Is there really something as euthanasia for people with Peyronie's, even if they're young? It seems highly unlikely to me. As I understand, euthanasia is only for people who want to die with dignity (because of a major disease, not a condition like Peyronie's) and for people with major depression. I understand the lack of hope and dispair of you guys. I'm myself 23, and it does not look like I will live a happy life at all. But even with this, I don't think that it is plausible for me to receive something as euthanasia (even though there are moments in which I would really like to). I hope that they will find a cure in the next years, but it looks like it will take a long time! If anyone want to talk with me about this I will be very happy to hear from you!

Àlex