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lessor

Is good drink green tea for Peyronie?

NeoV

Yes, green tea contains EGCG, one of the best anti-oxidants there is, and an antifibrotic in and of itself. Also, caffeine is a xanthine derivitive like pentox, it blocks tgf-beta and acts as a mild PDE3 inhibitor (like Cialis). Higher reactive oxygen species is a major player in the development of Peyronie's, and EGCG can help lower those levels considerably in the penis and body.

Do note, excessive green tea consumption has been shown to lower testosterone. I doubt you'll have to worry about that however.
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lessor

Think you so much!
Another think do you know if propolis is good for Peyronie too? How of quantity ?

Tychy

Huh! I have a bunch of green tea capsules with caffeine on my shelf. I don't know why I bought this. Must have been as I scouted the nootropics community. Will add that to my stack!  

james1947

I made a green tea "Treatment" for an other health issue, didn't helped me nothing.
But maybe is just me, many other treatments didn't helped me :(

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

Paolo

Do  you know what's even better than green tea, hibiscus and rose hip tea, it has a higher ORAC rating and is delicious, its is also caffeine free. Rose hips activate AMPK.
I have 4-5 cups a day between my coffee fix  :)

Effect of sour tea (Hibiscus sabdariffa L.) on arterial hypertension: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials. - PubMed - NCBI

The effect of green tea and sour tea on blood pressure of patients with type 2 diabetes: a randomized clinical trial. - PubMed - NCBI

http://prostate.net/articles/green-tea-vs-hibiscus-tea-which-is-healthiest-for-men

If you have diabetes or high blood pressure, consult your doctor before drinking though.
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NeoV

That sounds great Paolo, I'll do some research on it and try it myself : ) I enjoy a lot of teas here in Japan but not sure about that one.

Christopher1

I myself highly recommend the coffee/pentox combo.
Snake Diet + 5-day fasts + pentox + NeoV's stretching routine + Mito Red Light. Curvature 99% gone.

I also used Todd Capistrant's "Fascial Distortion Model" to help my curvature. Start slowly.

goodluck

I may start drinking coffee.....I love ice tea but it does not have much caffeine relative to coffee.

hee0101

 :)I don't understand. But as a matter of fact,drinking tea is beneficial to our body .

TonySa

Re propolis, someone just posted a July 2017 research in urology journal article which tested multiple supplements including propolis which were effective in treating Peyronies Disease.
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

Paolo

Propolis helps me with congestion and seems to boost my immune system  :)
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Christopher1

Coffee with pentox makes my erections a bit stronger.

Green tea does not do that. No clue why.
Snake Diet + 5-day fasts + pentox + NeoV's stretching routine + Mito Red Light. Curvature 99% gone.

I also used Todd Capistrant's "Fascial Distortion Model" to help my curvature. Start slowly.

pey ron

Green tea is awful for Peyronies. Green tea suppresses the natural body production of collagenase. Stay away from it!!!
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Gabriel

Personnaly I alternatively tried drinking a lot (3-4 cups/day), a little (1 cup/day) or no green tea (organic sencha) at all during 8 months: in my case it seemed to change absolutely nothing.
- 35 yo, Peyronies Disease with chronic pain, general hourglassing with girth and length loss since 09/01/17.
- Pain almost cured with Hirudoid cream and diet/lifestyle changes (see my topics on this); deformity still here, but partly reduced with traction + VED.

NeoV

Caffeine has clearly been shown to be an anti-fibrotic, even if to a lesser degree than pentox (I have the source written somewhere on this). Coffee and green tea have a lot of benefits for Peyronie's, but I'll look into the callagenase production and wound healing, but I cannot find anything on it and scarring being an issue with green tea. I see too many benefits not to drink it, but it's all up to you and very complicated as you guys surely know.

"EGCG has been shown in FPCL to abrogate contraction stimulated by PDGF and TGF-β1 [83, 84]. EGCG binds directly to PDGF-BB preventing the PDGF ligand binding to its receptor and therefore preventing both proliferation and FPCL contraction [83, 85]. EGCG has been shown to inhibit a number of intracellular signalling pathways and reduce expression of pro-fibrotic molecules (vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), TGF-β1, CTGF) in a number of organs [86–88]. Inhibition of TGF-β1 results in reduction of the synthesis of the ECM [84]. Interestingly, EGCG has been demonstrated to improve re-epithelisation in a chronic wound model and the structural stability of collagen was shown to be enhanced with EGCG [89, 90]."

-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4964041/

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WhatNext81

I've never drank coffee. I rarely drink soda. Green Tea has many health benefits. It's benefits are greatly reduced when consumed with a meal. I was instructed to drink it between meals for maximum benefits. For every study saying somethting is great, chances are you'll find one countering the analysis. Moderation is key with many things in life.

Nevo, a little off topic, but I believe you recommended creatine monohydrate daily? Would Kre-Alkalyn be okay as well?


"Creatine stability is negatively influenced by acids and liquids at pH 6.9 or less. (#6,399,661). Kre-Alkalyn® is the only creatine with patent-protection from pH 7 to pH 14.*"

My tap is a little over 9 on the ph scale.
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WhatNext81

And then it's properties or benefits probably change if you microwave your water, boil it or if you just let it soak for a while in plain old tap water.

What do the top urologists say when asked about diets? Not much as that isn't their field. Perhaps meeting with a very good nurtionist is best. We could debate one thing, as simple as tea, but who knows what else we have going on in our bodies, our diets, allergies, lifestyles, activity levels, our body mass index's, etc.

Tea isn't going to cure you and it certainly doesn't fall under a 'bad' beverage category. Not trying to be cynical. I will add that I mainly consume water and some tea here and there.

Overall healthy lifestyle, some physical activity, and regular stretching....of the body goes a long ways. 30 mins of walking a day has the same effect of 10mg of viagra. Cardio for boner(food for thought)  
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pey ron

During my visit with dr. Levine, he commented that most men with Peyronie have a deficit in collagenase production.

It's not by chance that the most effective treatment for Peyronie are collagenase injections.
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Paolo

Quote from: WhatNext81 on May 07, 2018, 05:50:11 PM
Moderation is key with many things in life.


Could not have put it better myself  :)

Creatine always made me feel 'funny', hard to explain and I was never a fan of it IMHO  :-\

What's you take on Creatine?
Paul  :)
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NeoV

I don't think the issue is that we don't break down scar tissue well enough, it's that we over produce scar tissue it via inflammatory pathways. This is all documented plain and clear, but I will look into this and I appreciate the studies! There are so many studies on green tea preventing fibrosis, so it seems very odd to me.

I love creatine, as it lowers blood sugar almost as well as metformin, and has some pretty amazing cognitive effects, besides being good for building muscle :)

pey ron

@NeoV: please look at that Burdock Root in the bar chart I posted. I've known this paper forever, but it only struck me now. I think I have lost a lot of precious time. I just ordered it from Now Foods on Amazon. When I have more time, I'll get it in bulk powder an make my own capsules.
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WhatNext81

@Pey ron
Why do you think you've lost a lot of time?  
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pey ron

because PABA may not be effective like POTABA supposedly is. And I filled a boatload of AAA capsules by hand myself and took about 15 -20 capsules a day...
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WhatNext81

Oh. Gotcha. Do you also follow a diet of low to zero carbs?  
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pey ron

I would like to. But my girlfriend has a sweet tooth...
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Christopher1

I think as far as enzyme/protein balance (elastase/collagenase) in the body, intermittent fasting is crucial.

Jason Fung, MD has extensively talked about the benefits of IF and autophagy (protein recycling). He even reports people losing skin tags on extended fasts and its benefits. Now - I am not sure if you can auto-digest the Peyronies Disease scar tissue, but the benefits of IF are real.
Snake Diet + 5-day fasts + pentox + NeoV's stretching routine + Mito Red Light. Curvature 99% gone.

I also used Todd Capistrant's "Fascial Distortion Model" to help my curvature. Start slowly.

rich68

One potential problem with green tea I've been reading about is the presence of aluminium and heavy metals such as lead and mercury. Apparently this is especially common in tea grown in China due to pollution and the use of pesticides. Tea from Japan is said to be safer in this respect.

Whyisthishappening

based om neos reply#16 and the publication
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2728709/
Anti-collagenase, anti-elastase and anti-oxidant activities of extracts from 21 plants
 what do you think about WHITE TEA it the most potent anti collagenase and anti elastase inhiibitor as an aqueus extract  
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pey ron

i think you want collagenase.

what you don't want is elastase.

burdock root is the herb I use -- see the chart in the very study you linked.

yet milk thistle only inhibits collagenase and appears to be anti-fibrotic... I wish it were easy to know what is the right thing to do...
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ron how long do you use burdock ,any changes?
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Whyisthishappening

i am drinking a combo of white tea and turmeric for two weeks now dents improved try this

  1g of white and 3g of turmeric ,leave them in a coverd cup of boiled water for 30min. rinse and drink .


it is important to leave for prolonged time like the scientific publications of water extracts do
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goodluck

OK....So can anyone tell me the benefit of White Tea over Black or Green tea relative to peyronies?

Whyisthishappening

see reply 16 more anti elastase activity
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NeoV

Been a fan of white tea for a while! Too much green tea has been shown to lower testosterone, but that's probably by drinking quite a lot.
Overall I say include it in reasonable amounts along with other sources of antioxidants and of course, coffee.

Bent Ding Dong

@NeoV, what about matcha tea compared to white tea?
Age, 40's.

Had peyronie's for more than 10 years. Developed glans lump, then had poor erections and soft glans.

Made a lot of progress over the years with diet and avoidance of sugar and high carbs. Still have the lump but it's much smaller now.

NeoV

Matcha for sure, since it basically has way more of everything than green tea. Matcha is powerful stuff.

Bent Ding Dong

Cool, I've been drinking that for a few months and love it.
Age, 40's.

Had peyronie's for more than 10 years. Developed glans lump, then had poor erections and soft glans.

Made a lot of progress over the years with diet and avoidance of sugar and high carbs. Still have the lump but it's much smaller now.

goodluck

So in layman's terms, what is the best way to interpret the table in message 16.  The lower the value the better for Peyronies Disease?

docebo

I'll start drinking more coffee and green tea!
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james1947

Late to the party, but green tea and coffee didn't helped me for Peyronies and also not for an other disease that green tea was advised.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

TonySa

Great antioxidant, but only part of the equation......
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

Bent Ding Dong

I'd like to try white tea but the only white tea I can find is grown in China. Does anyone know another country that grows it?
Age, 40's.

Had peyronie's for more than 10 years. Developed glans lump, then had poor erections and soft glans.

Made a lot of progress over the years with diet and avoidance of sugar and high carbs. Still have the lump but it's much smaller now.

Bent Ding Dong

I ended up finding some white sencha tea from Japan. I hope this has the same levels of collagenase and elastase that the white tea listed in the graph has?
Age, 40's.

Had peyronie's for more than 10 years. Developed glans lump, then had poor erections and soft glans.

Made a lot of progress over the years with diet and avoidance of sugar and high carbs. Still have the lump but it's much smaller now.

pey ron

@Bent Ding Dong... you are getting things wrong on so many levels :(

1st of all, elastase is our *ENEMY*

2nd of all, the chart shows the % inhibition of collagenase (blue bars) and elastase (red bars).

We want to inhibit elastase as much as possible.

We want to inhibit collagenase as little as possible.

Burdock root only inhibits collagenase and does not inhibit elastase.

Megadosing on burdock root is what I chose to do.
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Bent Ding Dong

OK pey ron, so is mega dosing on burdock root working for you? What results have you had?
Age, 40's.

Had peyronie's for more than 10 years. Developed glans lump, then had poor erections and soft glans.

Made a lot of progress over the years with diet and avoidance of sugar and high carbs. Still have the lump but it's much smaller now.