STAGE procedure length loss survey

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phantasoic

Hi all! Been lurking in the forum for quite a while and am very close to getting a consultation with Dr. Kuehhas for the STAGE procedure. The real worry I have is a potential length loss bringing my penis to a shorter length than what my short side currently is.

Although there are many posts from members who have had the procedure regarding length loss, most reports do not reference whether their original measurement was from the "long side" or "short side" of their penis. The only member I am aware of who has made reference to the side of the original measurement is JN who initially reported a 2cm loss from the short side measurement of his penis.

To anyone who has had the STAGE procedure (and anyone who has regained some of their losses since) could you possibly provide your original measurements and how much you lost/regained with reference to either the original "long side" or "short side" of your penis?

Thanks everyone :)


daved2

So, let's talk about length loss. I'm glad you started the subject. I had the Egydio procedure with Dr Kuehhas in August 2016, a little more than 2 months ago. Although, this procedure is considered length-preserving, I am down more than one inch from my original erect length. For those of you who have experienced similar drastic loss, please comment if it is temporary, and can be regained through the use of traction? This brings me to the point, maybe I should have had the Stage procedure instead?
50 years old, tried 5 rounds of Xiaflex, had Egydio grafting surgery, then Stage sutures for residual curve, then plication in 9/18, now finally I have a straight penis

Freemason

Hey Dave is the one inch from before you had Peyronies Disease..or down one inch further from Peyronies Disease??? Hope it's the first..

It's been like 4-5 years since I've had this life destroying Peyronies Disease and I cant' remember what my original length was honestly.

Jonbinspain

daved2;

What you're going through sounds pretty normal to me. Carry on with the stretching and use of the Phallosan. It's very important. The daily Cialis will help with blood flow and healing too.

Most, if not all of your previous size will come back in time so long as you continue to stretch the tissue.

As I've posted many times, and have found out through my own experience, the full recovery time from this surgery is many months. Obviously some heal faster than others. I am now over 10 months post surgery and am pretty much back to normal. Still down maybe .5-.75 cm down, but I'm still using the Phallosan and I think I'll get most of it back eventually.

I've also added 15 mins VED per day to I've a three dimensional stretch too.  

daved2

Thanks guys for your comments. As far as the 1 inch plus length loss, it is more than an inch after peyronies. In my case, I didn't lose much from peyronies. I just had a 50 degree curve. I will continue to use Cialis and Phallosan. My situation is complicated by the fact that my penis has a post-op residual curve. I will be going to London in November to have a follow up appointment with Franklin. He said that he will make it right. And will operate if necessary to get me a straight penis. With my current loss of length, I am hesitant about going back under the knife. My fear is there could be even further length loss. For those of you who have experienced the degree of loss or retraction that I am experiencing, can anyone comment if they were able to make back up a loss of an inch?
50 years old, tried 5 rounds of Xiaflex, had Egydio grafting surgery, then Stage sutures for residual curve, then plication in 9/18, now finally I have a straight penis

daved2

Jobinspain, after ten months can you still feel the firmness of the graft, or does it soften up and feel like normal tissue?.i am wondeing if it will always feel like a foreign object insude my penis?
50 years old, tried 5 rounds of Xiaflex, had Egydio grafting surgery, then Stage sutures for residual curve, then plication in 9/18, now finally I have a straight penis

redbullmaster

Cant comment on the Egydio procedure, but if the surgeon done his job right.
You should end up with the length of the short side of your penis.

phantasoic

Quote from: redbullmaster on October 12, 2016, 05:56:42 AM
Cant comment on the Egydio procedure, but if the surgeon done his job right.
You should end up with the length of the short side of your penis.

That's the theory - has anyone ended up with a length that's shorter than the short side of their penis following surgery with Dr. Kuehhas?

LuisUK

I also had the Egydio procedure with Dr Kuehha just under 2 months ago. Pre-peyronies I was 18cm in stretched penile length and as a result of peyronies length loses before surgery I was 14cms.

Two months on from Egydio procedure and I'm 12cm (Stretched and Erect).

I have seen no changes to the length for about a month. I can still feel the Sutures and the graft inside the penis and I still have a slight bend. The letter given after the surgery said that intercourse would be possible 6 weeks after the surgery, but honestly it feels like its months away.

I continue with the Stretching and daily Cialis and will keep this thread updated with progress.  

Jonbinspain

daved2;

Yes, I can still feel where the graft is. However, if I stretch it manually, it smooths out. I really think that possibly 12 months of traction and manual stretching is the way to achieve maximum results size wise.

LuisUK;

Yes, you will be severely restricted size wise until after the sutures have dissolved.

On the sex point, I agree with you. Whilst I guess sex would have been physically possible after 6 weeks, I don't think it would have felt remotely the same.

It really is months before you will feel anywhere close to back to normal.

As I've put above, in my view months of stretching and traction will give you the best results possible.
From my point of view, I may end up marginally down size wise, but at least I will have a straight usable penis. Something I didn't have before.  

Jack1909

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31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Jack1909

My suggestion is to stay away from surgery unless it's strictly necessary..and that's the case of Peyronies Disease that has not responded to any treatment and has produced enormous bent. Until 45/50 degree I would never try to fix it..specially congenital curvatures.


I will post pictures if necessary as I know many think I am total fool who has lost his mind..
31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

JohnWright

When it comes to correcting congenital curvature, June 2016 I had Nesbit plication to correct 50+ degrees, here's a first-hand account:

a) I couldn't be happier! Highly recommend -- but only if done by a specialist in male sexual function (or andrologist as they say in Europe).
b) After the plications, lost about an inch.
c) At this point in my post-surgery recovery, and having had a curve my entire life, YES sex is different. Sex is amazing! Mind blown! The circumference and length of my entire shaft is NOW in the experience, whereas before it was only the left side of my shaft that really benefited from the action. The plications are not a sensory factor in any way for me, and there is only one tiny set that is even slightly detectable. Seriously, because my entire shaft is now partaking in the process, my orgasm experience is completely beyond anything I experienced prior to correcting the curve.

John

Jonbinspain

Jack1909;

I'd agree with you. It really is the last step when all else has failed. In my case, I fought for almost 4 yrs with everything you've read about here and some more!  Nothing worked, I made myself ill with taking Pentox even. My curvature at its max point was almost 90 degs.

I finally gave in and underwent Egydio surgery with Dr Kuehhas. 10+ months later I'm still dead straight. Down a tad on size as I've said, but trying to get that back. I'm very happy with my results. I have a very sexually usable penis again. If it ends up being a bit smaller, but straight and functioning, I'll take that!

Any surgery always carries risks, which is why it should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

As I've pointed out to Luis, patience and persistence with traction and stretching are key to maximizing your results.  

daved2

Jack1909. I, too have a residual curve 2 mos post op. I am going back to the uk to see franklin.he said he will reoperate if necessary at no cost. I am nervious about losing any more length. I may or may not reoperate, but i still stuck with same curved dick
50 years old, tried 5 rounds of Xiaflex, had Egydio grafting surgery, then Stage sutures for residual curve, then plication in 9/18, now finally I have a straight penis

JohnWright

phantasoic - - We've hijacked your thread. Back on topic, in my case, the measurement on the long or short sides was not even a topic of conversation. The measurement was of the mean, the middle, and that is the starting point from which I lost an inch.

John

pdrury

i agree with johnbinspain undergoing surgery is the last resort. i had my peyronies disease also fixed with franklin. we talked a lot about what my options are. the problem is once you reach a point that sexual intercourse is not possible and your marriage is at stake you just have to do something about the problem.
i dont know why this bloody disease hit me, i just know that i am happy i underwent surgery. i am almost 2 months from surgery, my first erections have returned and my penis is straight. i am very grateful that dr kuehhas saved my life. those who haven't been where i have won't understand it ...
anyways i personally believe that having a straight penis is the most important issue. franklin told me i would have some retraction and that traction therapy would be necessary to regain length. i am prepared and will follow his recommendations. As johnbinspain said being able to have sex at 6 weeks is theoretically possible, but it will most probably take longer to feel ready for it. i like what i see when i see my morning wood, but i dont feel ready to use it ... i just dont want to jeopardize the outcome although franklin said its safe. i think i ll try it out soon...
at the end i think that peyronies is a malicious disease that tries to burry your manhood, surgery is the last resort but it is effective. having a straight penis is wonderful, an inch or half an inch down is not an issue for me at least...

Jack1909

Quote from: daved2 on October 13, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
Jack1909. I, too have a residual curve 2 mos post op. I am going back to the uk to see franklin.he said he will reoperate if necessary at no cost. I am nervious about losing any more length. I may or may not reoperate, but i still stuck with same curved dick

It's just not losing more length that it is a problem indeed, it's producing more scarring and it looks it's clear to everyone but surgeons that scars are the worst enemy of the penis.

I'm happy with your results guys but you should understand you are just a tiny minority..for you who are pleased, there are million out there destroyed by surgery..I think surgery on penis is sold like a piece of cake by everyone and Franklin himself but it's something terrible that it would be avoid 99% of time..

I am happy you are finding your life back and you are getting back on track...

31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Jonbinspain

Jack;

I'm sorry fir your situation, I really am. However, I think it's you that's the tiny minority. There are many guys here who are more than happy with having been treated by Franklin Kuehhas. Me included.

Yes, surgery always carries risks. But I genuinely believe that with a skilled surgeon, such as Kuehhas, they are as minimal as possible.  

Jack1909

That's not the point. Kuehhas is very talented and I do believe it in fact I was under the knife with him before than you...I was one of the first here to share my experience so I somehow introduced the doctor into the forum (I also collaborated with him so I can say no one knows him like me here..I followed many guys sent by me who underwent surgeries with him). Doubtless.

The point is you are the minority. Complications are extremely high it's easy prove it it just takes a little research on the urological european line guides..it's all written but..ignored. If I did it 4 years and half ago I would have a life today and I would not need to kill myself (not because I don t have sex, just the lucky ones are frightened form not having sex anymore, the unfortunates one just would like to make everyday life actions rather than sex)

You are the minority as this forum is (unfortunately) a drop in a ocean..out there people are devastated all the time and no one can deny this. So you cannot say nowadays there are solutions because it's not true..there are some good doctors that still remain doctors, not divinities as they are celebrated here.

31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Jonbinspain

He's not a divinity. Just a very good surgeon who has helped me and many others to get our lives back.

As I say, I'm truly sorry for your situation.  

james1947

Jack1909

You have stated:
QuoteThe point is you are the minority...it's all written but..ignored
Can you give some links in the subject?
Interested to read about

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

pdrury

Hey guys
Jack seems to be in a very bad situation. I am very sorry for that. The point though is that we all know what can happen if you undergo surgery. Surgery should always be the last resort. Nevertheless surgery is often the only option to solve the problem. In my case peyronies was ruining my life for too long and I couldn't wait any longer or rely on experimental approaches.
I found Franklin Kuehhas due to this forum and I am glad I found him. He helped me and I will always be grateful for what he has done. He is not divine nor is he superhuman, he is just a very good surgeon and a great guy. Complications can occur and I actually had a thorough talk with Franklin about it. At the end each one of us need to decide how one would like to live. I had enough and I went for surgery. It was the correct decision.  

junkai

Hello Phantasoic,

I underwent the surgery December last year. Pre-op I was about 6.5 inches, now I am 6.25 inches .  

Jonbinspain

Junkai;

That sounds about right, man. I had my surgery at pretty much the same time ( end November) I'm still down very slightly too.

I keep using the Phallosan too see if I can get back to the 6.5" I was too.  

daved2

The question is....did you experience a temporary loss of length during the healing period that eventually came back to normal, or near normal after a year post-op?

This information will be helpful for us who are experience loss of length at the beginning of our recovery.

Thank you for sharing
50 years old, tried 5 rounds of Xiaflex, had Egydio grafting surgery, then Stage sutures for residual curve, then plication in 9/18, now finally I have a straight penis

Jonbinspain

daved2;

As I've said many times, you should get back most if not all of your previous size. But, it takes time. Time and dedication to traction and stretching on your part.

This is something that will takes months, not weeks. From my experience, and that of others, any loss you may incur should be minimal so long as you follow what you were told.  

yyy

I was one of the pioneers of the STAGE technique, one of the first here to undergo this kind of new surgery.

Well, speaking with many other "stage" patients, I can tell you that they all got the same shortening they could get from a normal plication. I was much less lucky, mine failed directly and the curvature came back nearly immediately. After having paid 7k euros he refused to operate me for free, but thats another story.




yyy

for the ones who underwent the Egydio technique surgery (different from the stage): You all complain about length loss but this should not happen, the grafting technique is created to restore the original length (it looks obvious if you think you are extending your short side) and this is the result Paulo Egydio in person achieves, so in my opinion it is not normal at all to lose length. Maybe your surgeon used a different grafting material which does not "extend" as it should, I don't know...I would be disappointed for sure. 3 years ago I spoke with a guy operated by Egydio and he told me he gained his 2cm back without extenders or whatever.

Jonbinspain

Yyy;

In my experience any length loss is temporary. I'm now 10 months post surgery and have virtually all my old size back. Maybe down .5 cm. But as I didn't take accurate pre-op measurements, it may be my perception.


yyy

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you are getting your size back because you are using an extender. you should have your size back using nothing after a grafting procedure.

Jack1909

Jobinspain we are talking about STAGE and you keep on responding you got your size back...but you did not undergo STAGE but a procedure studied to give your size back using a graft..can you stop repeating the same things please?  

What YYY (better than me) and me are saying is the fact STAGE gives a significant length loss not differently from the other procedures that have been used until now.

The only reason (a big reason indeed) to choose STAGE over other procedures is that it takes less scarring than others and less scarring means healthier penis.

If someone wants his length back after a STAGE, not differently from Nesbit or plication, he needs a super super commitment and tractions religiously roughly more than an year..

31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Jack1909

31 yrs old
Severe congenital curvature. 3 straightening surgeries
Big lump/stitch w/ left deviation after 2012 surgery
Severe ED after last one in 2014. Still crooked
Slightly improved w/ shockwave therapy
Looks like only one side of my penis works

Jonbinspain

Jack 1909;

It was yyy who brought up the subject of the Egydio technique, I merely responded.

If he had not mentioned it, then you would have a point...

Jonbinspain

Yyy;

So you say. I was informed differently.

Whichever way, I along with many others, am happy with the outcome.  

junkai

Quote from: daved2 on October 18, 2016, 12:15:41 PM
The question is....did you experience a temporary loss of length during the healing period that eventually came back to normal, or near normal after a year post-op?

This information will be helpful for us who are experience loss of length at the beginning of our recovery.

Thank you for sharing

Just to clarify, I underwent the STAGE procedure not the edygio procedure. The first time I had an erection was 3 weeks post-op and it was 1 inch shorter than normal ( 6.5 Inches to 5.5 Inches). After a couple of weeks of using my Phallosan it went to 6.25 inches. And then I got super busy / lazy and couldn't place it on for more than 2 hours a day. Currently, it is still 6.25 !

james1947

Junkai

QuoteJust to clarify, I underwent the STAGE procedure not the stage procedure.
What is the difference between STAGE and stage (except capital letters)? Can you explain?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

junkai

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My mistake, I meant to say I underwent the STAGE procedure not the EDYGIO procedure.

scorpion22

It's been exactly 5 months since I had my stage surgery. This was the second surgery after the first one (grafting) which I had 12 months ago and it failed. Between the first and the second I lost 1cm but I gained 1.9cm by:

1. Using a VED 30min everyday. Literally, 30min everyday for 5 months.
2. Using the Phallosan Forte between 4 to 6 hours everyday. I skipped some days, but not too many.

yyy

Scorpion what do you mean with failed grafting surgery? can you explain how come? maybe tissue rejecting?  

scorpion22

Hi yyy, not really. The surgeon didn't make the right calculations, so the tissue was shorter than the area that should have been grafted. As a result, the curvature wasn't corrected properly. Now I am fine.