Peyronie's Disease Patient Discussion Forum
Topic: "Powerful Home Remedy- Thacker Formula.......Thread 2" Date: 6/20/2004 11:50:40 PM
Subject: To PDFTD
Name: Larry H
Email:
duffer882003@yahoo.com Now PDFTD why don't you fess up and tell this man that you really are Thacker and let him do his double blind study. Do you know how long we have been waiting for someone or something like Yieu Lin to come along and do a really great study on a possible Peyronies Disease treatment of promise. And glory glory, if their study is positive then they (WE, who ever the hell "WE" are) will patent the stuff and sell it to all of us for maybe $100.00, $500.00, $1,000.00, doesn't really matter, as long as we are all cured of this disease.
PDFTD, I know that you are a great cult leader and Long Ling his sniffed you out. So I say to you, be man enough to open up to Long Dong, tell him all you know, for he has only our best interest, and our bank accounts as the driving force behind his post.
PDFTD, you have long been my cult leader, but times change and I now must switch my alligence to Ding Dong, or whatever, as long as he gives me 10% off the top. I just hope he is more reliable than my dick.
Your former cult follower,
Larry H
Date: 6/20/2004 10:57:22 PM
Subject: Who we Are.
Name: Yieu Lin
Email:
Yieulin@yahoo.com The post was not meant to be a kind proposition based upon extensive forum research. Only a general, not in depth, observation of the obvious.
Of course the formula is easy to make and mix... we are not interested in this, only more in depth research which would require personal contact and research notes up to the latest time of revision.
We, are a research group affiliated with Chiba Univ, Japan, in Japan, doing research on Urology i.e. a semi-specific area of ED including Peyronies Disease. Based in Japan because stem cell research is un-restricted here, and we have good pre-liminary results with basic cell therapy, but possibly might be interested in an anjunct cure to use in addition that may help the overall healing process.
My email account waits for PDFTD's contact.
yieu lin
Date: 6/20/2004 5:53:31 PM
Subject: response to Yieu Lin
Name: Rzz
Yieu Lin
I really doubt you'll ever be talking to Dr. Thacker unless you know how to use a crystal ball or conduct a seance. Or maybe you could go on that TV show "Crossing Over." Damn man, when you read a book do you skip over pages, because this doesn't speak well of your research skills.
Also I'll give you a little advice. When you want to speak to somebody, the way you wrote your post is not the best way to go about it. I've been fortunate to speak to some of the experts in Peyronies Disease research and medicine and I tell you it took time to do so. Plus, sincere and honest letters as well as phone calls to convince them my motive was good.
In addition, if you want to test the validity of the formula why not just do the test and see for yourself. The formula is very, very easy to mix.
Also, what's with this "patent thing" you speak of. What are you saying? Do you want to test the formula to see if it works, then patent it so you can charge dollars to the people who need it and who could easily make it themselves for just pennies. AH! The almighty dollar! It never fails!
As is PDFTD, I too am curious as to who the "we" is you refer to in your post.
Date: 6/20/2004 2:38:08 PM
Subject: To Yieu Lin
Name: PDFTD
Who are the we you refer to in the first paragraph?
If you read the forum and the threads that apply to the Thacker Formula you would know that Dr. Thacker passed away.So much for your research skills and just plain paying attention.It was never stated that he was a Urologist.
Lin,are you kidding me or what?do you read and research before you flap your tounge?Dr. Thacker was the only Doctor in th family.where are you coming up with this crap?Are you on drugs or just stupid?
If you choose not to believe me then DON'T,I DON'T CARE.You are nothing to me.Thacker the grandson of Doctor Thacker wanted his privacy and I gave it to him,so what was said between us is none of your business.
If you and your collegues want to talk to any one you can talk to me.And if you can prove that you are not just some bullshitter then I will contact Thacker and see if he want's to talk to you.I made a promise to him to protect his privacy and that's the way it's going to be,period.
Your insinuation that I am Doctor Thacker is very funny.LOL.Yes there are research notes written by Doctor Thacker but as to weather or not you get them will be decided by Thacker not me.
But you are not going to get a thing until you tell me who you are.Give me an idea of your validity on this forum and I may contact you via e-mail to further validate your claims.
Barry
Date: 6/20/2004 1:11:00 PM
Subject: Something of note.
Name: Yieu Lin
Email:
Yieulin@yahoo.com Directed here by hearing a couple of men talk about the Thacker formula, we took a look, and here's what we see.
In a recent National Physician search within the United States, I could find no physician's by the name of thacker that practice Urology. Some are in family medicine, some in other fields, none in urolology.
All posts regarding 'The Formula' or 'Dr. Thacker' and his long family history of physicians are made by PDFTD, never by the illusive Thacker. Information regarding Thacker, his work, or any type of identifying information is never given. Just promises that, "I have talked to him, that should be enough". All postings are made by PDFTD. (PDFTD would make a great cult leader, "don't ask, just beleive me").
Regardless, because myself and sevaral of my collegues have heard about this formula, we would like to contact Dr. Thacker. Our group is working with private and public funding (semi funded by Pfizer) and our Urology group is anxious to contact Mr. (Dr. Thacker).
So, Dr. Thacker, a.k.a. PDFTD (they seem to be one and the same), we can set up contact information at the email above. We are willing to review and test this formula in a double blind study, and possibly patent this, once validity is established. We will, of course, need Mr. Dr. Thacker's cooperation and all research notes... if there are any.
Date: 6/10/2004 1:06:34 AM
Subject: Still using ...
Name: Nemo
I'm still using ... about 6 months now ... still better erections - but no change other than that. I'm still satisfied that it's worth the trouble, even if only for the better erections.
Nemo
Date: 6/10/2004 12:48:27 AM
Subject: working?
Name: steven
Hey All,
How's its going with Thacker's formula, its beens 8 months since it was posted, any correction of curvature?
I know it improves erections, curious about the curvature results. I've been away for awhile, notice ALL the posts have less of a sense of urgency, anger and despair, thought maybe that was a good sign, yes? Can you post good news stories if you have em....
Steven
Date: 6/9/2004 11:37:48 PM
Subject: To Barry
Name: Ray
Hi Barry, in one of your previous messages you mentioned you used, as treatment for peyronies, soy isoflavones. I believe the dosage was 50mg at the rate of 3 in the am and 2 in the pm. If this is incorrect please advise. Would you be willing to address the results and the time elements. Also if you have any data that lead you to this plan of treatment. Thanks Ray
Date: 5/28/2004 6:23:52 PM
Subject: to J and the Duprey sx
Name: Bo
Hi J
when i began to notice an angle shift in my "friend" well, that puzzled me.........and I usually get into things that puzzle me........
but i didn´t............then when apparent Dick Disfunction became all to obvious i started to check things out......and
finding hard, roapy things where they should not be..........well.it finally got me to this site.
But i´m still 30% out of shape.........
The Hand: well, perhaps from one day to the other or over a few weeks began having knots under the skin an inch below the palm side of my 4th finger, and gradually another knot appeared at the lowest joing of my little finger.
they don-t bother me at all, and , well, perhaps there´s a little shaking motion if i try to hold my hand straight out.....which i now avoid doing.........since i´m 63.....well i don´t want any negative glances comming my way.
My granfather was from england........and from my fathers side........well his family have been hold up in the edge of the state of maine ever since......some boats came over....
i always was led to understand that they were from the "pilgram" group......that survived.
i never have been much into geneology...(?) but my beard was red and my eyes bright blue.............but at about 5 foot 7............i have never given the Vikings much thought..........save avoidence.......
however.........i have been mystified and intrigued by the occurance of hand and dick getting hit by the same type of , well, metabolic, disorder.........like, really strange....
i believe that there is much more unknown about collagen or fiberous tissue than is known......
i would not wait for any correlating information before getting into the "old man´s" technique.............
Essencially, there does not seem to be anything yet..yet... available to dissolve the knots and nodes.....but at least you can begin to get those caverns blood filled and streatched..........maximum effort........
also, it always good to paralelly consider venous or aterial leakage in your best friend..........which is at time another condition which easily leads to poor erections..........
Wishing you good health, and an investigative spirit to help get us back in the game............
Bo
Date: 5/20/2004 9:00:54 PM
Subject: reply to Bo
Name: j
Bo, they are essentially 2 manifestations of the same pathology. Another is "Ledderhose Disease" of the foot, of which I also have a mild case. "Frozen Shoulder" has recently been associated - and I've had it, too.
They're all instances of Type III Collagen being formed where it doesn't belong. It's been likened to wound healing, but I've hand no traumas to my hands, feet or shoulders. Dupuytren's has been found to be strongly hereditary, apparently originating in a genetic mutation in one of the Viking populations. There is more readily available data for Dupuytren's than for Peyronie's. For example I've read it's very common in Iceland.
When I was first diagnosed with Dupuytren's disease about 6 years ago, the hand surgeon told me right up front that it can affect 3 parts of the body - and he was pretty graphic about it. So when Peyronie's hit me last year, it wasn't a surprise. And the urologist I went to was already treating another patient having both Peyronie's and Dupuytren's.
Why people get different combinations of these conditions is part of the mystery. It's an interesting mental exercise to theorize as to what those parts of the body might have in common, that is causing the formation of the collagen deposits.
Dupuytren's is easier to deal with because we can solve the problem mechanically, at least for a while - i.e. sever the cords surgically and - with systematic therapy - regain functional use of the hand.
What's your hand look like?
Date: 5/20/2004 6:49:47 PM
Subject: your thoughts on damage
Name: Bo
J..I also have the hand abnormality.........I think I got it before the Peyronies Disease, tho I´m not sure.......but no md could tell me what happened to my hand.............clearly, since it was of minor disturbance I did not go looking for trouble with uninformed mds´.........
However I haven´t talked with any one with both conditions....and I also find it highly unusual and atypical that someone get struck with both maladies.......
I haven´t been into "rough" sex and thus doubt that the Peyronies Disease situation is a result of this behavior.
Nevertheless I´ve got a full blossoming case of Peyronies Disease and its getting a little worse as time goes by.
And I do REALLY ponder about the coincidence of the hand and Peyronies Disease.........it just seems to somehow to be a part of the same ? metabolic? diorder.
I´ve been using an inexpensive VED and do think that the workout does kind of reestablish blood chambers towards their initial condition, and this simply makes simple sense. However regarding the very fact of the plaque condition, well this has not changed at all..........granted I haven´t been doing daily workouts with the VED........and probably should......nevertheless the plaque seems to be a chapter apart and unto itself. And its continuing in development.
I write to you only to probe your own analysis and considerations regarding the apparent correlation between the 2 disorders. And, to , ask if you have come up with any information relating to the 2 occurances and what to do about it.
Wishing you the best of great health.........and please have a lot of hope.........
Regards
Bo
Date: 5/16/2004 3:33:14 PM
Name: Archie
Business Week magazine has an article on stem cell regeneration. The cover photo is of a salamander that is capable of regrowing severed appendages and organs. Scripps, U of Pitt, DARPA and Big Pharma are researching how the salamander regenerates and how that can be done in humans using stem cells.
Date: 5/15/2004 11:20:25 AM
Name: j
I want to advise extreme caution regarding the VED. I know Old Man and others have used it with apparent success. But - I also have Dupuytren's disease and it is well established that attempting to stretch Dupuytren's tissue is counterproductive. When I was diagnosed by a hand surgeon, one of the first he said was to forget about stretching, saying "it's been tried".
My own personal suspicion is that Peyronies Disease isn't a single disease. I think those of use with both DC and Peyronies Disease may have something different than those who have Peyronies Disease as result of trauma, or some other cause. The tissue changes may be the result of a different process. Just my uneducated opinion.
Date: 5/15/2004 10:35:10 AM
Subject: response 2
Name: Rzz
I do not have any doubt about the validity of the VED for helping some who suffer from Peyronies Disease, but to be honest I'm a little afraid of It. My concern is without very good and exact execution it may cause more Damage. Possiblly more tearing, which may result in more scaring. I'm concerned if not done exactly right, the soft healthy tissue that is attached to the scar will tear, split or seperate before the nonpliable scar tissue will stretch. Those who use it and have been shown and taught precisely how to use the VED I'm sure are OK. However, those who just buy one and start going at it should be VERY, VERY careful of causing further damage. That's just my thought.
Date: 5/14/2004 9:48:12 PM
Name: yo
That sounds good. I think I'm probably a 0.5 to 1 on that 0 to 10 point scale, at this point. I'm going to start giving the formula a try again, and when I get the money, I'm going to buy a VED (vacuum erection device) for therapy as well. You might consider using a VED as a therapeutic method alongside the formula-- I've recently read somewhere that some who use a VED over time start to experience increased bloodflow to the unit in general. Best of luck to you-- hope you get it all the way back to a 10 and show that girl a blast!
Date: 5/13/2004 3:04:55 AM
Subject: Yo ( A response)
Name: Rzz
Sorry about that, hit the wrong Key. I'd think as many post as I've made I wouldn't do that, but to my amazement I still Do.
Yo,
Yes, it has been 6 months since I started on the Thacker's Formula and i will give you an update. however, I need to tell you a few things. 1) In the first 4-5 weeks of using the formula I was using "Jacob's Lab DMSO 70/30." Which we all now know is not the type to use. Not only that, for approx. the first 2 weeks of that period I was adding another 30% water to it, which decreased the DMSO even more drastically. Although it may have helped slightly, I really don't count that has actually being on the formula. If you're not doing it right, then it can't be counted when gauging the results. 2) There have been small periods here and there of 2-3 days when I did not apply the formula. I was out of town for a funeral for 6 days when I did not use it and another time fishing in Canada for 5 days. All together I'd guess about 3 weeks. So that adds up to about 7 weeks of not using it or not using it properly. So with that said, I've actually been on the formula or should I say used the formula the way it was intended for a little over 4 months. Also, remember mine was not a problem of curvature or pain, but one of erection quality. That was what I was really seeking to improve. On an erection scale of (0 to 10), 10 being the rock hard erections you got when you were 18 and 0 being completely impotent, I'd say before the formula I was about a 2.
Here's where I'm at now: In the first couple of weeks, even on the weak formula I noticed slightly better morning erections. After roughly 7 weeks, the morning erections were considerably better, on the scale maybe a 4. As the days passed there were a few mornings that if the opportunity were there I truly believe I could have made penetration. How long it would have lasted I don't know, but I believe I could have penetrated. On the scale I saw a few 5-plus. Before the formula that never happened.
Somewhere into the third month things seemed to stall and improvement ceased. I thought "crap!! that's it. It's ran its' course and it's not going to get any better." However, I kept using it. Well about 3 weeks ago, it kicked into gear again and I started seeing improvement. Morning erections, when I get them are always at least a 5 everytime and I think are getting stronger. Here's a story and the real kicker! Last Friday I was out with this girl I see from time to time. I still don't know why, maybe wishful thinking, but an hour after dinner I took a Viagra. A couple hours later we were slow dancing at this night club and she was looking good, REAL GOOD! All of a sudden I felt myself getting a slight erection. I couldn't believe it. Toward the end of the song she looked at me and said it looks like your glad to see me. I just smiled and said I was. If she only knew how my insides were jumping for joy! So in conclusion, compared to what I was before, I've seen good results. I still have a ways to go though. Will it keep getting better? Will I lose what progress I've made? I don't know the answer to those questions. But I know I will keep using the formula until I see something to make me stop. That's where I'm at right now.
As for your other questions. I use what the formula calls for in a wrap. WHITE and only WHITE flannel cloth. Go to any fabric store and they'll have it and it's cheap too. I do my wrap at night. First I just use WARM, not cold or cool, but WARM soap and water for a quick wash and COMPLETE dry, then use a 2"x4" soaked wrap. Then another wrap that has NOT been soaked and is slightly BIGGER than the first(it seems to stay in place better when I do this and it catches any excess that may drip from the wrap). I then use a piece of kite string and LOOSELY but snuggly tie it. The whole process from wash to tie takes about 4-6 minutes. Put on a baggy pair of old shorts and go about doing what I want to do. No exercize, but everyhting else is fine. I waxed my car last Saturday with it on and when I took it off it was fine.
As far as using it in conjunction with l-arg + viagra + pentox, that I don't have an answer for. I would be very careful about mixing things you've not researched. Especially mixing Viagra & Pentox, but I just don't have an answer for you on the last question. Good luck.
Date: 5/12/2004 5:44:27 PM
Subject: To Dick
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Hi,
I actually did not answer your question directly to you and I apologize for that.I incorporated your question in a questionaire I sent to Thacker while I was working on the formula,so you were on my mind.The answer to your question is YES.Please go to the following thread for a comprehensive formula revision.And you will see that your question was addressed there.Including this thread it is the 16th thread down.
Peyronie's Disease Patient Discussion Forum
Topic: "Thacker Formula-Re-vised 05/03/2004"
Good Luck,
BTY,
Barry
Date: 5/12/2004 4:31:35 PM
Subject: question for Barry
Name: Dick
I don't recall seeing your response to my question whether the formula could be mixed ahead of time. Maybe I missed it.
Date: 5/12/2004 2:44:15 PM
Subject: Thackers Formula
Name: testme
PDFTD - thank you for all of your help and your honesty.
I personally cant understand the reasoning behind people who are angry with this formula and the people behind it.
If you wnat to try it then do so - If you dont want to try it - then do not.
You dont get angry with McDonalds if you dont like thier cheeseburgers you just dont eat them.
The above is a simplistic attitude applied to a very complex situation (Peyronies Disease and home remeies) however being angry at everything doesnt help yourself or others.
Please support PDFTD and others who are trying to support you!
Date: 5/12/2004 1:01:43 PM
Subject: Response to Annon
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Hi Annon,
Your welcome,and thank you.No actually,using a wrap a second time is not a good idea.The second wrap just won't do anything.Each wrap MUST be fresh.
In a second wrap the biggest concern is that you are not using a wrap that is clean and fresh.Sterile conditions during the second use will have been lost.Plus the second time used the wrap will have DMSO and ACV that has lost their potency almost down to nothing,and the wrap will have been contaminated from the first use.Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear my friend.Good Luck.
Best To Ya,
Barry
Date: 5/12/2004 9:55:43 AM
Subject: Wraps
Name: Annon
Barry,
Thanks for your work on this subject. In the early days of this formula many surmized that it had to be made up each time it was used. In light of Thacker receiving this formula premixed from his grandfather, would it be prudent to reuse the soaked flannel wraps several times as this would reduce the amount of ingredients needed.
A Thread Veteran
Date: 5/11/2004 11:09:53 PM
Name: j
Sigh.
Date: 5/11/2004 10:47:25 PM
Subject: Phil
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Doctor Thackers Journals were offered to me, not for public reading.The contents of the journal was what lead him up to the formula we now have,so it's days gone by.You were not privy,and will never be,to the conversations thacker and I exchanged.He intrusted me with privacy and he is damn well going to get it.I will not breach the trust thacker had in me for you or anyone else.If you want creditibility about the formula you can come to me,If you don't consider me a credible source of info, knowing that I talked with thacker, who do you think is going to satisfy you, Doctor Thacker?This formula is simple enough for you to research and find any answer you need.The method of application is the only thing that you need to be concerned with.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THOSE JOURNALS THAT WILL MAKE ANY OF US MORE CONFIDENT IN THE FORMULA,AND THERE IS NOTHING TO LEARN.AND THACKER WILL NOT POST THEM ON A FORUM.AT BEST THEY WERE FOR MY EYES ONLY AND WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN POSTED TO THIS FORUM.AND PHIL,DON'T MAKE DEMANDS ON ME!!!!!!!!
If you have questions ask and I will provide.I think I laid it all out pretty well to understand.
Barry
Date: 5/11/2004 9:55:36 PM
Name: Phil
Well I am sure you may not have wanted to view thackers research journal, but I am sure a lot of us here would. It would certainly lend credibility and answer questions we have about the formula and its details. Seems strange for one who demands so much of treatments and the research backing them to just nonchalantly pass up the actual research from the creator like that. I for one would like to see what doctor thacker had in terms of research, and I am sure others would agree as well. LET US SEE DOCTOR THACKER'S RESEARCH AND LEARN MORE ABOUT IT! IF ITS READILY AVAILABLE FROM THACKER, LET IT BE POSTED FOR ALL OF OUR GOOD!
Date: 5/11/2004 8:04:51 PM
Subject: Message to j
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Hi,
I don't want to get in between you and Davi so I will have little to say in the matter of your statement to him.I hope thing work out for u 2.
My feeling is the same as thackers,use it,don't use it,it's up to you.But Doctor Thacker did in fact leave Journal of his research on this formula,thacker offered them to me for reference if I wanted them but with the treatment doing as well as it seems and my having done so much research on all the components(least not forget rzz)I did not feel the need to view the journals.
I would suggest that you research what medicinal properties ACV has,you will be overwhelmed.DMSO as well,it's amazing stuff.I would ask a question of you that does not require a reply,can you name anything in medice that has no method of action.I can name dozens of things.Just think with an open mind.I would like to see you or any one on this forum have a treatment success story,it's inspiring to all,but don't use the formula if you don't want to.If you want a better understanding of it contact me and I will throw notes at you until your eyes cross.Good Luck at what ever you do.
BTY,
Barry
Date: 5/11/2004 6:22:43 PM
Subject: testimonials
Name: j
Davi - that's interesting information, thanks. Some of the reports are more credible than others, and I'm still highly skeptical, but there is enough there that one can't just dismiss the thing out of hand.
What's missing for me is what the medical people call "method of action", i.e. the legendary "Dr. Thacker" left no explanation of how this formula is supposed to work, or how he arrived at it.
I have Dupuytren's contractures too, and that tissue is much more visible and easier to evaluate than Peyronies Disease plaque. It's certainly not just a calcium deposit - it's living tissue gone bad at the cellular - possibly genetic - level. And it's hard to imagine that something like apple cider vinegar is going to selectively dissolve or "reform" it in some way.
Date: 5/11/2004 3:31:44 AM
Subject: Rzz?
Name: yo
Rzz? How's your condition after about six months (I believe) of your using the DMSO formula? Are your erections of improved strengh/duration? If so, by how much.
I started using just the DMSO six weeks ago, only to end it after a week, as I was afraid of bad hygiene, didn't have a couple hours a day to soak, wasn't sure of the material to soak in, etc. Could you tell me exactly what kind of material to soak the stuff in and how you wrap it, and also how you're sure your penis is completely clean before slapping on the wrap? I am thinking of doing this treatment in conjunction with the l-arg + viagra + pentox treatment.
Date: 5/11/2004 12:57:54 AM
Subject: Started this on in DEC 2003
Name: Bobrak Karmal
Been using this 2 hours a day since Dec, 03. Plaque is Slightly smaller with rubbery tail end. I take L-arginine and a small amount of viagra every so often. It gives a nasty headache. The only real treatment that has worked is manipulation and bending of the plaque to try and make it flexible. I am going to continue the thacker treatment as it make the plaque easier to bend. I have been posting for about 3 years now!
Date: 5/10/2004 10:45:18 AM
Subject: TO J:
Name: Davi
TO J:
I did your work for you. I just scanned through the orginal thread and easily pulled the following coments. There are many many more i just got tired of cuting and pasting Pleae read the thread. It is long but it may be the most importaant read for your Peyronies Disease treatment you ever did! I hope this helps you. This treatment works. Give it a chance. It has reduced the plaque content in my penis by 50 perecent in less than a month.
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Date: 11/21/2003 7:33:40 PM
Subject: DMSO treatment
Name: Gephardt
I have used dmso for a month. I have not been frequent at all. I may apply it in the morning about two times a week. I cut it with 100,000 IU of Vit E oil from walgreens.
I have noticed:
1. The One large top plaque about the size of a quarter - softened and then split in half. It reduced by 50%! The dmso is tearing it up!
11/24/2003 9:03:53 PM
Subject: treatment
Name: Don
I am using a treatment plan similar to the one Thacker described with success. I am using dmso cream packed on twice daily. I have noticed an incredible improvement! I started using dmso about 30 days ago. I had a tendon on the top of my member that had a plaque growth along it. The plaque growth was causing my member to curve during erection. I started packing the dmso on it and it broke the plaque up. When the dmso is on your penis and absorbed into the plaque it immediatly makes the tendon more flexible. However, when it wears off the plaque and tendon gets tighter. I noticed over a few weeks the plaque started to seperate and free up the tendon. My curve is about 5 to 10 degrees compared to 35 to 40 degrees before.
Date: 11/24/2003 10:25:57 PM
Subject: plaque
Name: Don
I had two plaques that were solid/connected. They broke up into smaller pieces. A few of the smaller pieces then cleared up altogether. That is the best way I know how to describe it. The whole plaque did not shrink it broke up and then a few of the smaller pieces did shrink.
purity of dmso
Name: paolo
I have been using Thackers formula for about three weeks and have found it to be the only effective treatment so far. The plaque has shrunk and gotten softer. My erections seem stronger and quicker since starting the treatment. I initially bought the dmso from three different sites. Be sure to purchase dmso that is 99.9% pure (not just 99%) as the purer one hardly smells at all and seems to be not as irritating on the penis.
paolo
I have found that Thackers formula has softened and shrunk the plaque. I have found that a purer quality dmso is virtually odorless as compared to one that is less pure. As far as ill effects I am not sure. The only ill effect I have found since starting the treatment is that I have very itchy skin.
To Tony
Name: Billy
I started this treatment for the hell of it on 11-5-2003
I did not have the "break apart" effect that some reported. However, I also noticed the nodules were smaller during treatment but got harder again when the ointment was not on. I increased the treatment to three times a day. I kept a diary on my treatment progress. On 11-9-2003 I went to the three a day treatments. I had one large nodule right in the middle of my penis. It caused a bad bend. I placed packs on both sides and used bandaids to sandwich the treatment packs around the nodule. The nodule started about the size of a large marble (soft). It is now just a pinhead. The pinhead is hard. I can't seem to get rid if the last piece. I used aggressive jelqing with the treatment. The jelqing info came from the yahoo board. The treatment did blister the crap out of my penis. I may have even discolored it in two spots. The bend is gone and there is no pain no matter how hard I have intercourse.
ubject: Results!!
Name: Bond
I AM SEEING GREAT RESULTS with heavy application of "thackers formula", Old Mans VED therapy guidelines, high gamma vitamin E and jelqing procedures learned from Morgan's posts on Yahoo.
The formula posted was like a miracle to me. I used strong dmso. I got sores from the treatment but kept going. I ended up with a light discolored outer scar on my penis but the plaque broke up and the curve up almost is in the past. I am hitting areas in my girlfriend I was not able to touch with the curve.
Name: Arty
I been using the treatment for three full weeks. I am in the eraly stages of Peyronie's Disease. I have noticed a decrease in pain. I also have noticed a softer looser tendon. It seems to have made the fibrosis loosen it grip on my penis. I did have soom buring but it seems to have been worth it. I will update in another few weeks
Date: 12/23/2003 9:24:46 AM
Subject: treatment
Name: Johnson
I have used this treatment for about 20 days now. I started with one long string like plaque that runs the length of the shaft, with one large nodule attached near the base.
The string like sized plaque separated in three places now! The larghe nodule has apparently not changed. I had the string like plaque for almost a year now. Therfore I know for a fact this formula broke it up. It has not yet effected my curve but it is progress! It makes me see some light and hope at the end of the tunnel. I will update again if I see anymore changes. Thanks guys that helped with this thread.
An Update on my treatment using the formula. My plaques have all but gone but I can barely get an erection?? I am going to now quit and see where I am at. I keep the formula on almost 24 hours a day. I fixed one thing but now I have another problem. I pray it temporary.
have had a large marble sized nodule in the middles at the bottom for over 6 months now. No change in shape or erection quality, just the nodule.
I started the DMSO/ACV formula 2 weeks ago applying once a day for 30 minutes.
Since then the pain has gone in the nodule and the size has decreased, however I now have an indent where the nodule is - whats going on, size and pain reduced but now a dent please help?
Date: 5/10/2004 8:54:26 AM
Subject: Progress
Name: testme
Guys who have been using the formula can your post your progress please:
Date: 5/9/2004 8:47:00 PM
Subject: PS
Name: Paul
Email:
RockBoy@excite.com PS here's an Australian link with good info
www.msmaustralia.com.au Date: 5/9/2004 8:45:49 PM
Subject: substitute DMSO for MSM
Name: Paul
Email:
RockBoy@excite.com Has anyone used MSM as a substitute for the DMSO?
It appears to be less 'dangerous' if you like - added to the fact DMSO appears to be harder to buy esp. overseas - in Australia for example you can't it.
Date: 5/8/2004 11:44:06 PM
Subject: Remedy
Name: Paul
Email:
Thomas48@chariot.net.au Hi I was thinking about this remedy (properly a bad thing)
it is accepted P.D. is caused by injury. This is the case for me also checking family history no one has ever had Peyronies Disease in my family tree. I’m no medical wiz to me for plaque to suddenly appear for no reason seems odd and any bruising in the body can from bone. I know that from having bad bruising from playing football. This all supports Peyronies Disease is in fact caused by injury. If this is the cause of Peyronies Disease how can plaque reform? You would have to keep re injuring yourself? To my way of thinking if some one manages to cure themselves plaque cannot re form once it has gone. The plaque has to be gone to release the bend. The only other explanation is the plaque is made so soft it releases the tightening affect caused by plaque hardening. Also finding substances to keep plaques away once it has gone or is reduced, or softened that drug that keeps plaque from reforming wouldn’t it in doing this also get rid of plaque? That it itself would have to be a cure? I hope this remedy does work it appears to be the case for many people here. I hope my thoughts don’t upset anyone that isn’t my intention; I really want to find a cure. Also is anyone here single and should be sexually active (age and good health) but can’t be due to having such a severe bend and impotent? I would like to hear from these people to see how they are coping with not being able to have intercourse therefore find it very hard to find a partner to live with. It is a daunting prospect at having to live alone for the rest of ones life. Anyone in this situation I would like to hear from them please. Thanks
Paul.
Date: 5/8/2004 9:54:39 AM
Subject: Treatment
Name: Paul
Email:
Thomas48@chariot.net.au Hi everyone i think Im starting to understand how to post etc. I very happy to have had a good man write to me bringing me up to speed with this home remidy. I managed to find some DSMO. Having done that the receptionist at the plcae i found DSMO told me the vet had split a small amount of DSMO on himself and it made him feel sick. I didnt buy it without trying to find more information about DMSO. As I got the idea from here and you guys have used it can anyone tell me does DMSO make you feel sick? The DSMO i was going to buy came ina one little hard plactic bottle. It read 100% DMSO on the label. It was made by a firm to treat cattle with shin splints the vet assistant told me. I do no it is used in the Grey hound industry, race hose industry and now and then by some body builders. There snt any DMSO made for humans so i do understand it is the DSMO made to treat animals that is used. i have no problem with this i would do anything to cure Peyronies Disease. I cant find much information here in Australia it seems more readerly avalible in the USA and UK. It seems odd to me it would make people sick i have never heard of this before. Im not in good health right now also Im not very strong that way either. I have kids to care for and dont want to get sick. Can anyone tell me what does DMSO does to you when you apply it to your skin please?
Thanks
Paul
Date: 5/3/2004 11:48:24 AM
Subject: Thackers formula
Name: Terry
What is Thackers formula? I can't find any information on it. I have read the entire thread. Please help! Please list the ingredients and how to treat with it. Does it work better than other medicines?
Terry
Date: 5/3/2004 11:39:10 AM
Subject: Can we be mates please?
Name: Paul
Email:
Thomas48@chariot.net.au Dear Thacker, Hi how are you? Im a Auastralian guy I some how found this place while encoraged to look for a cure to P.D. First of all I cant write or spell well so sorry about that. I have seen how men get real honest and sincere when up agaist it. I saw this a lot while serving in the Army. I tell you what it has sobered me up developing Peyronies Disease. Gee did i get angry or what lol. If having developed Peyronies Disease wasnt enough I have battled Post Trumayic Stress Disorder but Im getting excellant councelling from Veteran Affars for that. Having Peyronies Disease pales all esle that has happend to me into ingsignificance. I need a friend mate I really do. I would like to make mates with you if you dont mind? I dont understand very much about Peyronies Disease. I have seen most other guys on the writting list are pretty smart blokes and know much more than I do. I dont understand many of the terms used lol. I have seen a lot about Thackers treatment? Did you develop it ? Do you mind telling me what I have to do to buy it from you ? Ware can I by it or how do i make it? Im as deserate as a man can be for rectifing this terrible disease? I have a 90 dgree bend right at the end of my penis. I couldnt have sex. I recently was seperated from my wife not becuse of it either she isa good person. Having PTSD caused my seperation i wouldnt get treatment for that I thought it weak and shame at the time i dont now. If having a bend isnt enough I have impotance I think that is right i cant get a erection only partial. I havent had good medical care no one was interested. I should have relied on myself to find out all about this problem. I also am infertile i dont know if that was caused by chemicals encounted during my service or the stress i have lived with for 30 years (PTSD). I dont produce much seamen and have lost that feeling you get while ejackulating. I also havea enlarged prostrate which i only have realised causes me to not urinate properly. i have had many times had protersitis ware my seamen was black when ejaclulating. I was preet scared when that happened. I then have repeading eposeds of bladder infections. It starts out as severe pain in my testicals, then spreads to my bladder, then inside my penis back up to my proterate then around to my right kidney which hasa truma on it. It isnt a cancerious tumor though. Ima wreck arnt I lol. I can tell you the pain is so bad i can only cry. Im allowed to inject myself with morphine for pain until antibiotics kick in. All this I mention to see if you have these problems to? Is it fairly typical to have all these problems with Peyronies Disease? I wonder if Peyronies Disease is stress caused? I have read injury can do it. i can remember my wife did badly hurt it two or so years before Peyronies Disease developed. I have the Vicking curse on my right second litle fiher have you got that? Thats what my doctor called it but it has some Frencj doctors name i cant spell well somthing witha D. I have has terrible stress I didnt know i had PTSD until recently it was left untreated i say that becuse its not my fault and it is very bad to live with. So it could be both what do you think mate? It isbr in my family mum tells me but I should mention i have HAL B27 a typr pf inflation. I read having it causes the Vickings curse and having it makes for having Peyronies Disease. I got the lot LOL. I would love for you to write to me please i need to talk to some one with it. I didnt speak for so long about anything and yhay wasnt good for me. Talking is good i cant shut up now lol. Can you tell me how to buy or make this formular please ? I dont care about politics mate i have learnt the hard way. I have things to really worry about I havent time or the will to upset anyone. I like all people and never judge i leant a lot the hard way. i also leant never to worry about what people think of me or say about me i had to stop that and i did. i can tell you how to do that if you want? I just want to livea happy life what left of it mate i lost most of my life in turmiol with PTSD. I have that in hand now i just got to fix this Peyronies Disease thingo. I hope you will write to me or any of your mates. Ima easy bloke to get along with and can be usfull asa friend as well. I saw this formular in the chemist shop. It is made out of sharp lver oil and some other stuff i will find out for you Im buying some tommorrow. It is for softening and healing scar tissue. I thought it worth a try. i will let you know hownit goes OK? Plkease write will you Im desperate. I cant find my glasses (getting old lol) sio I cant see to well here sorry for the messy letter mate. Hope to hear from you soon.
Best Regards
Paul
Date: 5/3/2004 9:19:58 AM
Subject: treatment
Name: Dave
I also look forward to reading the new information you have. I just started on thackers formula and I am already seeing improvements. better erections, scar softening and no pain
Date: 5/3/2004 8:11:14 AM
Subject: Thanks
Name: Vick
Thanks PDFTD I look forward to the updates. This treatment has been a wonderful find for me. I hope the other guys that have tried it and gave up because it was not an instant cure will look at it again. I am seeing results, it works!
Date: 5/2/2004 4:10:58 AM
Subject: Thanks
Name: steven
Nice going Thacker & Barry
Thanks !
Steven
Date: 5/1/2004 6:02:11 PM
Subject: Thackers Formula
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com I have concluded my conversations with Thacker.He was very cooperative and answered every question given.Most of our communications were in a discussion format and we talked about many things.In the end I sent him a questionaire consisting of under 12 questions,these questions fully completed the knowledge I needed to present a revised version of his grandfathers formula.Some of the forum members had specific questions and these were addressed to thacker in the questions I asked.He was very quick to answer them and held nothing back even though some were personal to him.
In my opinion only,those of us who will benifit from this formula should be greatful that Thacker was willing to communicate with me after haveing been verbally attacked as he was,his option could have easily been screw these guys.i'm outta here.He is a caring and humble man,and asked nothing of me, except that I provide the information that he has added in tandem with what we already have properly, and in an easily understandable format.I will do my best to follow his wishes.But lets not forget Doctor Thacker for one moment,thacker spoke well of him and expressed to me what a fine and loving man,and Doctor he was.
On this forum,where Thacker was abused and verbally attacked I would like to thank him for seeing through the abuse and retaining his desire to help, and not once ever complaining to me about the issue.A Rare man indeed,and I am glad to have made his acquatance.
It will take me several days to re-write the Thacker formula,but I am sure you all wil be pleased with most of it's content.For those presently using it,continue using it with no worries.Also I will post the formula in a seperate topic making it easily accessible and allowing for questions that may arise and discussion to be started from a new and virtually post free topic.
Best To All
Barry
Date: 4/29/2004 1:14:41 AM
Subject: Message to All
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Hi Guys,
I have noticed that there are alot of new guys on this forum who have varied interests of the treatment they are looking for,while they are surfing the forum for information eventually they end up in this thread.If you want to read the whole story of the thacker formula then you may be missing the beef.Please go to the thread "Powerful Home Remedy"which is where this thread comes from.It is 656 posts long.The combinination of this thread and the original thread will give you the whole idea behind The Thacker Formula.You will have to go back 19 days to 04/10/04 to find it.Happy reading.
Best To All,
Barry
Date: 4/29/2004 12:04:44 AM
Subject: Great questions
Name: steven
Adam, Great questions! This is great stuff, I have a good gut feeling about this Thacker's formula, although I think its a very long treatment, but better than no treatment at all.
Who knows, we may find a way to speed up the results and get rid of the odor....if you believe, you can achieve....
Steven
Date: 4/28/2004 11:24:23 PM
Subject: ACV
Name: a
Apple Cider Vinegar. you can find it in most grocery, drug and health food stores. organic is best, but the other will suffice.
Date: 4/28/2004 11:16:53 PM
Subject: new to the forum
Name: PD2
Hello to all and a question directed to anyone able to answer:
What is "ACV" in thackers formula? Where would I obtain it?
I will apologize if this is redundant but I have scoured threads each of the past 3 nights and have been unable to find the answer.
I'm currently using T/V for 2 months with no change in the course of a 2 yr. problem. I'm also taking 1000mg Vit. E for the past 18 months. I have an ultrasound unit and have been using phonophoresis with the T/V about 2 times per week but am going to up it to daily. Does anyone have any experience with phonophoresis and Peyronies Disease?
Barry, as a physical therapist, I have found your postings of substance and usually worth reading until some knuckle head gets you worked up. I will confess to being just a bit more than confused as to why no one seems to post anything about the success of the thacker's formula, however.
Have I just missed those comments in my reviews?
Thanks.
Date: 4/28/2004 3:23:04 PM
Subject: Questions to Thacker
Name: Adam
Barry,
Would you be so kind as to ask Thacker the following questions:
1. You mentioned that you have used the formula for a year. Can you say what was your condition when you started, what was the result, and most importantly, when during the treatment did you start seeing results?
2. How old were you when you got the Peyronies Disease? (I am wondering if you had the age related, a major trauma related or a congenital condition at a younger age).
3. Did your grandpa ever publish anything regarding his treatment of Peyronies Disease?
Thanks
Adam
Date: 4/28/2004 7:57:34 AM
Name: Vick
PDFTD, Keep us updated. Keep up the good work. Thackers formula is not a miracle cure but it does have a place in treatment of Peyronies Disease. DMSO has a tremendous amount of research backing it. I am excited about hearing more from you about this.
Date: 4/28/2004 5:42:41 AM
Subject: Barry - Keep up the good work
Name: Richard ( the Brit )
Hi Barry
Thanks for your posting, I think the Urologists are probable right ( most of the time ) in that they will have seen many others with 90 degree bends for who vaginal intercourse was impossible. Factors such as position of the bend on the shaft, direction of the bend, degree of associated pain, psychological attitude , degree of co-operation from partner, partners anatomical suitability etc etc could all preclude vaginal intercourse with a 90 degree bend.
I was perhaps fortunate that my bend was a simple upward bend with little associated pain and no calcificaton. Had my geometry been different I can well believe that vaginal intercourse would have been impossible e.g. for a sideways 90 degree bend it must be even trickier although I would not rule that out.
I have to disagree with Bobrak Karmal in that I believe the vagina accommodated my shape rather than my penis conforming to the vaginal "tube". I say this as full penetration was possible immediately on insertion which was often done with a rigid erection. To conform to "tube" shape there would have had to be an immediate partial loss of ridgidity on insertion which is just not a credible scenario.
We can only speak from personal experience and belief in the accuracy of scientific papers, and the word of others ( from this forum or elsewhere ) and as with everything we read or hear there are very few totally dependable sources of "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth".
I was , as you know, originally very reluctant to post on this forum as there are too many inappropriate postings. It was in no small part down to your contributions and those of other sincere forum members that my reluctance was overcome. I am delighted that I have contributed as I feel I have been able to help others who have been through the surgical option ( Deano and Meg's boyfriend to name but 2 ) or are contemplating it, and also found the process to be theraputic for me. It is not the sort of subject you ( well I anyway ) can bring up in casual conversation with just anyone and the opportunity to get it off your chest with forum members has proved to be a theraputic and unexpected bonus for me.
To you and all the other sincere posters I say a heartfelt THANK YOU. Keep up the good work in searching for the truth and the ways forward for all Peyronies Disease sufferers.
Richard ( the Brit )
Date: 4/28/2004 4:35:15 AM
Subject: Thacker
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Hi All,
Thacker has informed me today that he will not be posting to this forum.He and I agree with his decision.His reasons are of a personal nature and I agree with him.
Any and all necessary communication to or from him will happen through me. Hopefully the Formula and any changes made in regard to it's composition,use,and Misc.information will be made public soon.Please be a bit more patient.And as I stated in another post,the current formula is safe and effical,so there is no reason to discontinue it's use.
Barry
Date: 4/28/2004 2:00:55 AM
Subject: Thoughts and stuff
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Richard (the brit),
This conversation of vaginal intercourse with a 90 Degree penile curvature is quite interesting.Never having reached a curvature to that degree,(mine was 50 Degrees)and never having read a post of someone who had such a curvature,plus reading studies and reports written by Doctors who said that a 90 degree penis will not allow natural intercourse to occur,was of course where I drew my conclusions from.Why Doctors would make that statement all knowing that it was not accurate confounds me.But for that matter much of what I read I take issue with.It would be nice to read a report that is written by a Urologist that does not conflict with the writings of another.
I would like to say that I am all knowing but that surely would be untrue.But I give it my all.Often in our research we find that it becomes necessary to fall back on good ole common sence in our efforts to wade through the mystery of differences of opinion of those in whom we are expected to look upon as experts.I find that I become more educated speaking to someone who has "been there done that" then frustrating myself by reading reports and studies authored by men who can't agree on the same issue.
I would rather find that I am wrong on any given subject and compensate for my error then go on believing somethihg that is untrue.I,like yourself,disseminate information to others,and incorrect information serves no one.
Thank you for the post(s) that allowed me to see my error in fact.I hold those,who like myself,try to keep the forum members well informed and educated, to a high standard,with that in mind, I have to comply to the same standard as well.
Understanding the dynamics of intercourse with a 90 degree curve is not rocket science,But I am glad that I did not have to learn from your experience.As I wrote in a recent post the lenght of the penis,location of the curve and the depth of the vagina surely determines the ease at which sex is possible under these extreme conditions.
You might find it interesting that you were the topic of a conversation I had today with a forum member on the phone.Your story is very interesting in that you have been through so much and had such a degree of success in how you treated your condition.Going from a 90 degree curvature to straight is very rare.You are a very lucky man and your wife a happy gal for sure.I told my wife that you are the poster child of how a surgical procedure should end and with what you have gone through in mind,she agrees.
Would'nt it be great if we could read posts that are as positive as yours?I am extremely happy for both you and your wife.Til next time,
Best To Ya,
Barry
Date: 4/27/2004 5:42:26 AM
Subject: 90 degrees
Name: Richard ( the Brit )
Hi Barry
With a 90 degree bend of course you have to go carefully. In my case the degloved bend during surgery was found to be 110 degrees - only the foreskin tension prevented that being apparent outside the operating theatre.
The process required plenty of foreplay to relax the wife and lots of lubricant.
At that stage I had lost about 1.5 inches in length ( now mostly regained by very gentle post-op use of a VED ), so as I was only average length before Peyronies Disease, length was not a major issue.
At that time full erections were not able to be maintained for very long, so penetration had to be done whilst erect and it is quite likely that there was some subsequent loss of ridgidity ( and hence degree of bend ) after insertion. However full pentration was possible on insertion without any discomfort, let alone damage, for my wife.
The strangest thing was that after surgery she had some discomfort due to deeper parts of her vagina being reached for the first time in years. This was unexpected but only lasted a couple of weeks.
Still smiling at being straight
Richard ( the Brit )
Date: 4/27/2004 4:52:33 AM
Subject: To j
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Hi again,
For shits and grins I had my wife read the report without any preconceived ideas or thoughts given by me.She noticed 5 inconsistonsies(sp)on her own.With a little bit of suggestion from me she found 2 more.Her reaction and comments will not be repeated on this forum.So I would like to suggest that we agree to dis-agree on this matter.I do however completely agree with what you said in the last paragraph.Amen to that brother.
Best To Ya,
Barry
Damn,we got through all that without calling the other an asshole. There is hope for peace on this forum after all.
Take care.
Date: 4/27/2004 4:23:06 AM
Subject: Reply to Bobrak Karmal
Name: PDFTD
Email:
pdftd@yahoo.com Hi,
Intercourse with a 90 Degree penile curve can most assuredly be possible,to this I agree,Urologists say it's not possible as I say I have read.I would have to dig deep into my document program folders to see what the specifics are to that statement which is not worth my time to do so.
The only logic that I can see that makes any sense is that while stuffing a penis with that degree of curvature into a vagina a few thoughts of concern should be concidered,(a)the lenght of the penis(b)the location of the curvature,this is relative to the ease in which the penis enters the vagina and the actual act of sex and how difficult it can be.
Another consideration that must be suggested is the vaginal cavity of each woman is different.Although the vagina does stretch to accomidate the penis no two women are similar in the size of the cavity itself.So the size of the penis and the size of the vaginal cavity are relative,and more so when the penis is curved to that degree.The resulting event is two fold,the woman can sustain vaginal damage,and /or the penis can be furthur damaged as a result of forceably being straightened by the vaginal walls.another factor exists,while enga
