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Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« on: February 22, 2016, 11:30:45 AM »

How long did you have Peyronies Disease when you began to see the improvement? 
Discovered Peyronies in my penis in May of 2014.
I have seen extremely slow improvement between when I began treatment (July 2014 - February 2016).
This week I saw a great improvement (Feb 2016).

What actually improved? 
Hard-flaccid: HUGE improvement. It's 99% gone.
Flaccid curve: Again, HUGE improvement, almost totally gone.
Soft glans / uninflated glans: Still not 100% hard but a f'^+'ing huge improvement. This one makes me really happy.
Flaccid dent: big improvement, almost totally gone.
Flaccid plaque hardness/size: big improvement!! feels softer and smaller every day since last Thursday (5 days ago).
Morning Wood: Yesterday morning I had a RAGING MORNING WOOD HARD ON for over an HOUR. I have not had morning wood since August of 2014.
Erect Curve: Big improvement. At my worst I had a curve of about 15 degrees, it's almost totally straight now.
Erect Dent: Again a good improvement. Still there but getting better every day.

What treatments did you use and when? 
In the beginning I used all kinds of supplements: POTABA, Pentox, Fish Oil, L-Arginine, L-Cartnitine, etc. etc. You name it, i took it.
At one point I was takine 40+ pills per day and ended up burning my esophagus because some pills didnt make it all the way down.
For the past year I have only taken Pentox + Fish oil regularly. I sometimes mix L-Arginine powder into a protein shake in the morning.
One thing I do that I think most others don't is I apply heat to my penis for about 8+ hours every day.

What is your gut feeling about the improvement being related to spontaneous improvement or the result of some treatment? 
My gut feeling ranks the following activities in order of importance for my improvement:
1. Applying 8+ hours of heat to the penis every day.
2. VED (I do not use the protocol mentioned on this site, I use my own which I will explain below).
3. Pentox (400mg x 3 daily).
4. Heavy barbell squats and deadlifts for strengthening pelvic muscles and glutes (very important!!).

State whether improvement in functional erections seems permanent, or if it is the result of ongoing use of a prescriptions or supplements.
There is no doubt that the bloodflow in my penis is drastically improved. It went from hard and stuff to the touch, to completely soft and floppy. Before if i laid on my back, my penis would stretch and roll to the right, on the side where my plaque is located. Now when I lay down my penis hangs straight down. The plaque is no longer pulling my penis to the side in its flaccid state, and barely pulls it to the right in the erect state. I suspect that since I have seen a huge increase in bloodflow that this will improve greatly over time.

What did I do differently?
Here's the protocol I followed:

1 - Apply heat 8+ Hours per day
I use air-activated hand warmers (HotHands brand, can be purchase in bulk on Amazon) to warm my penis throughout the day. I buy the non-stick kind. I secure the hand warmer to my penis using an elastic hair tie. You can try different types of hair ties to secure the heat pack to your penis - it's important you find one that doesn't cut off circulation! The point is to heat the tissues, make the tissues softer and more pliable, which will allow blood to better penetrate into the distal end of the penis. I believe peyronies is a bloodflow problem at its core and getting your dick nice and warm and keeping it that way throughout the day is a great way to achieve that goal. I find 1 heat pack lasts my entire work day, so I can be treating my peyronies while at work, without having to mess with the impossible logistics of attaching a stretcher to my dick.

Make sure your penis is fully warmed up before doing any kind of treatment or manipulation.
Gonna masturbate? Warm your dick up with a heat pack.
Gonna have sex? Warm it up.
Going to pump / do VED treatment? Warm it up.
You have to make sure you're fully warm before you manipulate your penis. Cold penis -> sub-optimal blood flow -> more damage, less healing. Also guys who are prone to lymphatic issues when pumping, PLEASE HEAT UP YOUR DICK BEFORE PUMPING. I have never ever had any lymph issues when using my VED (and as you know i go to 99% pump) and i strongly believe this is because I always fully heat up my dick before pumping. You need to thin out the lymphatic fluid by heating it up the lymph fluid itself along with the lymph vessels, so the fluid can move more freely. ALSO after pumping sessions please check your veins and whatnot for hard/built up vessels. You should work the fluid back toward the base of your penis with your fingertips to ensure you don't get any blocked lymph vessels, etc. Also reheat your penis after pumping to ensure all the fluids get thinned out and moving again.

When pumping, go for a 99% pump
I do 15-minute pump sessions, with 15 second hold-times. I will slowly pump until the penis doesnt want to engorge anymore, then flex my penis hard, hold for 15 seconds, then release pressure. By flexing the penis, you expand the blood vessels slightly. Then when you pump back up, you should be able to inflate your penis just a bit more than before. Repeat over and over until you reach maximum inflation/erection. Once I reach maximum inflation, I pump to 99% of a full natural erection. This, in my opinion, is the only way VED is going to help remodel your scar tissue. You have to push your penis past its limits to get back to where you want to be. Over time, by expanding the blood vessels and using blood thinners like Pentox, etc. you will allow blood to penetrate into narrowed/fibrotic vessels. Once the blood gets into these narrowed vessels, you flex your penis or pump it up tot 99% to expand them. We need to not think about stretching tissue on the macro level, focus on stretching the tiny blood vessels inside your penis that have been closed off as a result of fibrosis.

Be careful!!! some days your penis wont want to fully expand or it just wont cooperate with the pumping. It's ok. Just do some heat treatment and try again tomorrow.

Get off your a$$ and exercise
I'm not going to do a full writeup on this because Mehdi's 5x5 strength training program explains it perfectly. Please google the program and follow it. There is an EXCELLENT android phone app for this program called StrongLifts which allows you to track your progress over time. I strongly believe sitting in a chair 24x7 is bad for circulation in our midsection and contributes to problems with sexual health. Do HEAVY SQUATS AND DEADLIFTS WITH PROPER FORM. You wont regret it!

What happened?
Last thursday night I was pumping to 99% as I normally do, and I reached maximum inflation and held for 15 seconds. I did this for about 3 reps, and on the 3rd or 4th rep I felt a slit 'shifting' in the head of me penis, and then the blood vessels in the underside of my penis just under the glans began to sting. I thought to myself 'ive done it now.. i f'^+'ed my dick up permanently'. As I pulled my dick out of the VED, I noticed something: the hourglassing and denting I had previously was much less noticeable. And my dick felt heavier. And.. HOLY crap!! it's not instantly shriveling up and becoming hard-flaccid! In fact the penis remained quite soft, but full, and when I felt for my plaque it was still there, but felt softer and more difficult to localize. There was some decent pain in the penis, especially in the veins i mentioned, but having Peyronie's im no stranger to pain in the dick, so whatever. Each day that goes by the pain becomes less and less.

Over the next few days, every day when I woke up my penis had improved. It was softer, squishier, more full of blood. and BEST OF ALL I GOT f'^+'ing MORNING WOOD YESTERDAY!! I GOT A f'^+'ing HARD ERECTION! Hard enough to hang a towel from (it's always been my personal test ;) ). I have been in such a great mood ever since. I had sex with my girlfriend and she could barely handle the dick it was so big and hard! She kept saying how big it felt, and commented how she could feel the glans/head was full and harder than before.

Anyway, I'm praying to god that this isn't a temporary improvement. But I can say that over the past 5 days, I've woken up every morning to an increasingly fuller, softer, more normal dick. Today the plaque feels very small. I will report back in a week to give an update.

Thanks all here for your help. I learned almost everything i know about treating peyronies from the people on this site.
-wakenbake
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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2016, 02:17:08 PM »

very interesting! would love to hear others' opinion on this protocol. Maybe Old Man can chip in regarding the VED bit (I'm afraid that overpumping will make the condition worse)
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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2016, 04:57:23 PM »

Thanks for this post, great to hear about you're improvement, it will encourage many others, including myself!!!!
I'm sure i will reconsider the heat protocol.
Keep up the good work, may God bless us all.

Greetings, Kami.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2016, 05:57:29 PM »

Your results are very encouraging for others and myself. My improvement was much like yours, yet we have to consider ourselves fortunate. That feeling of things going back to how they used to be, simply amazing man! Congratulations. I hope you will stick around the forums even if things are looking up.

The hand warmer method is now official, thanks to you : ) Rice socks are seriously effective and easy to use, but hand warmers offer a way to have the heat on constantly even while away from home. I wonder how my penis would have been if I wore a hand warmer to work? Would have been really nice.

You mention squats, which I think have helped some people including myself as well.

Lastly I have to say that's great about the VED helping you suddenly like that. I also had an accident where the VED suddenly cleared or ruptured something in the glans, unfortunately for me it didn't end so well. Before the incident was a mild stinging and I would do anything to reverse time and take it away.

I would be careful about mentioning anything near 100% on the pump to others, but the fact that it has been working for you is wonderful and helpful information. Many of us simply can't pump to even 75%, and attempting to do so would permanently damage our penises. Anyone reading this who is new should understand that it is not normal or common to be able to pump to 100% erection at first, if ever. I could only pump to 30% or less at first and it took a lot of fussing around for a few months to understand what my penis could do in the tube and what it couldn't. Still, I ended up injured and cannot use the VED again, even adhering the the protocol and pumping to a % that I considered low. Just make sure to check yourself and be careful. Rant over ; )

Now I'm headed out to buy hand warmers.
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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2016, 08:51:07 PM »

I will just copy from NeoV, paint in red abd bold:
I would be careful about mentioning anything near 100% on the pump...
Also happy for you  wakenbake69 for the amazing results
 
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2016, 10:12:56 PM »

james, neo, dros,

I understand your concerns about the 101% figure. I have adjusted the figure to 99%.

A warning to anyone who may read this: VED therapy requires skill but above all: patience. Always go slow and never pump to the point of pain. Pain is not a normal part of VED therapy.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2016, 11:34:54 PM »

Your bold underscored sentence relaxed me wakenbake69 :)

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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2016, 09:35:00 AM »

wakenbake69:

Many thanks and great appreciation for making the bold profound statement about VED therapy. If only members using the VED would keep that statement in mind at all times when doing their therapy VED sessions.

I have cautioned members on this forum for many years now about the over zealous use of the VED therapy. It seems that once a guy sees his penis ''growing'' above what he has seen for quite a while, just keeps adding vacuum until he encounters serious damage to an already injured Dick.

Hopefully, many new members starting the VED therapy will see your profound warning and heed what you are saying!!!  Experience is the best teacher!!!

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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2016, 03:36:11 AM »

Can we get a general consensus as to what an appropriate pumping level is. I would assume one should start by pumping no more than 50% then adjusting from there. Do we know what must guys do?
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2016, 07:57:39 AM »

With the hand warmers, they come with two in a pack. do you use both or is one enough to warm the penis.
Do yo u wear it near the head or on the shaft.


Thanks
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2016, 10:14:20 AM »

Admin - Full quote removed.

When I first started pumping I couldn't really pump past about 30%. I took about a year to get to where I could pump to 99%.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2016, 10:16:37 AM »

Admin - please use the REPLY button and not the QUOTE button when responding.

I place mime under the head because that's where my plaque is. Ideally I think you should place it near the plaque, but almost anywhere is fine. I find that no matter where I place it, the entire penis will heat up eventually. I know it's fully warm when I can feel heat in my gooch/prostate area.

I usually only use one pack. I have used two packs before but it fits tightly and I worry about cutting off circulation. If you use two packs, i would recommend checking your penis for circulation every hour.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2016, 05:46:14 PM »

Good news! I just arrived back in Tokyo where hand warmers are five for a dollar :)

Will be trying this very very soon. Now time to explore this area around the hotel and head to a real estate agent.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2016, 06:40:50 PM »

I have to agree with the OP.  I go to "99%" with my pumping as well.  After an hour at the gym my penis also hangs better and looser and longer for the whole day.  I have done heat but only a little because I use a small electric heating pad which limits mobility -- I'll have to look into the heat patches.

One of my theories of a potential cause of peyronie's is that constant sitting (especially in a computer chair) tends to change the muscles in the pubic area and cuts off blood flow to the penis. Heat and exercise could help with that.

Thanks for the updates!
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2016, 01:48:06 PM »

One of my theories of a potential cause of peyronie's is that constant sitting (especially in a computer chair) tends to change the muscles in the pubic area and cuts off blood flow to the penis. Heat and exercise could help with that.
Thanks for the updates!

I agree with you steveo. I had no penis problems until after i graduated college and started working at a desk job where I sit all day. It's very important for us to get into the gym and do exercises like squats, deadlifts, and planks, which strengthen the core and improve circulation.

Best of luck to you friend. Keep us updated on your progress.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2016, 11:17:53 AM »

Hey Wakenbake, any updates on your progress?

I wanted to say, that you really are the first person I've known who used heat to that extent (8 hours a day), and I'm impressed and still very appreciative for the detailed report and hand warmer idea which I am just again starting.

I myself am back on the rice sock method but have plenty of hand warmers ready. I can't find a good hair tie that works well for me though when it comes to leaving the house.

I'm getting some fast progress on a newer indentation from last year with heat and my manual stretching. Hope all is well!
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2016, 06:16:44 PM »

It's been a few months since I posted here.  I've since seen improvement with the old possibly calcified scar in the dorsal sulcus of my penis which caused the tip to curve up at nearly 45 degrees.  I've had this particular condition longer than the other signs of peyronie's but it's begun to straighten.

I'm convinced that, at least for me, the following are best for treatment, in order of importance:

1) VED - pumped to very erect state to stretch the tissues and introduce blood and lymphatic fluid into the area.
2) Massage - I massage my penis daily for 20-30 minutes with medium pressure.
3) Warmth - I try to keep penis warm with blankets, heating pads, etc. for as much of the time as possible.
4) Exercise - Anything that keeps my legs moving vigorously such as running seems to improve erection quality.
5) Traction - For 2-3 hours a couple of times per week.  Seems to help regain lost length though the VED could be enough on its own.
6) Avoiding stimulants - I've replaced coffee with green tea. No longer have mood swings or as much "turtling."

I've tried all sorts of systemic supplements and topical applications and nothing seemed to affect the peyronies other than the list above.

If you look at the above list, you'll see it's almost exactly what athletes with muscle strains do in therapy.  They use stretching, massage and heat (well after the injury) to help remodel the tissues and prevent them from healing in a contracted state.  It just so happens that the penis, which needs to "flex" outward in all directions to work properly, needs a particular device which can do that -- the VED -- unlike an elbow or knee which has basically one path of travel.

Some people believe that the penis heals slowly.  I believe that it actually heals quickly but in a somewhat haphazard way. If it heals while in a constantly contracted state, it will form tissue that is contracted and resistant to being stretched.  I believe that stretching during the healing phase is absolutely vital.  Not a constant static stretch but general stretching movement in all directions like what would happen in a VED or with massage.

And I think treatment needs to begin immediately.  In the case of a very minor injury, the next day.  A medium injury that doesn't involve internal tearing, maybe within a few days.  An injury that does involve tearing, perhaps a week after bruising is gone.

While sport injuries are often iced and immobilized for 24-48 hours, after that they are massaged, heated and stretched.  For weeks and months daily.  They're never immobilized past first day or so, or sports therapists know they will heal in a contracted way which will prevent full range of motion for a long, long time.

If a doctor tells a guy who's suffered a penis injury to avoid sex and masturbation and erections for weeks, that's the wrong advice.  It essentially will immobilize the penis for those weeks.  And so of course the damaged areas will heal with contractures.  How could they not?
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2016, 09:20:20 PM »

Great insight steveo, couldn't agree more! Glad to hear your having improvement.

Green tea does have a lot of caffeine. I drink a liter a day and it makes me jittery. Sadly, I just found out it decreases testosterone levels, but I also know that the antioxidant capacity may still make it worth it. Instead I've been drinking mugi-cha (barley tea) which has no caffeine, thins out your blood, and lowers blood sugar. Still do have green tea though.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2016, 03:01:52 AM »

Steveo

Thanks for the insight. Intuitively, and three months into this, I think that you are right. Like most of us here I suspect, I have thrown everything at this but the kitchen sink. My symptoms don't seem to be getting worse and I am hoping to see some improvements but if I do it will be hard to know exactly which of the multitude of treatments has actually had the desired effect. I think that's why it's so hard to decide on a sensible course of action from the start but, as I say, I think what you are saying makes sense. Eventually I will probably throw out all the supplements, drugs, oils etc and narrow the treatment to the sports injury approach you advocate.
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2016, 11:36:30 AM »

This is the problem with Peyronies. It's an enigma. There is no guaranteed 'cure' short of a surgical one. What works for one guy, doesn't for another. It's why so many different treatments are advocated here.

If what you're doing is producing results, go with that.

Streveo, be very, very careful how far you pump with that VED. A VED can be very dangerous and damaging if not used correctly. You can cause irreparable damage to your penis. Never over pump and never hold an erection for too long. If you experience anything stronger than very mild discomfort whilst pumping, release pressure immediately! 

If you have any doubts, send a PM to Old Man.
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2016, 03:31:03 AM »

Came upon this quote recently in a book called "Conservative Management of Sports Injuries" by Thomas E. Hyde & Marianne S. Gengenbach, Chapter 14 page 565:

"Immobilization after trauma or surgery may lead to progressive contracture of capsular and pericapsular structures, intra-articular fibrofatty connective tissue encroachment, adhesions with collagen fiber cross-linking, articular cartilage fibrillation, and primitive mesenchymal tissue invasion of the subchondral plate." [Emphasis mine.]

From https://books.google.com/books?id=uzPwfNYyjjUC&pg=PA565&lpg=PA565&dq=sport+injury+contracture&source=bl&ots=o7PX4QwbDe&sig=ognifgoyW60veR5q6LfXIQWEbAc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJwpvx68LOAhXIWSYKHXMwA6cQ6AEIiAEwEA#v=onepage&q=sport%20injury%20contracture&f=false

While this excerpt is talking about joints, the italicized part above is exactly what happens to the penis when it "heals small."  And it will happen to practically every part of the body if a flexible tissue is injured and then immobilized or not put through its entire range of motion during the healing process.  Why would the penis be different?

To regain a full range of motion, the tissue must be put through its full range of motion, over and over again, until the injury is completely healed and probably for a while afterward.  For the penis, this would involve pumping to 100%.  How else can it be done?  If you're rehabbing an elbow injury, you don't just move your elbow 50% of its range.  You have to move it, over and over, through its full range.  That means 100%.  I don't see how it could be any other way.
 
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2016, 12:21:35 AM »

Yea i see others on here suggest to go slow with VED and don't go too fast? It confuses me because how can say going 50% the first time be any harder on the penis than a fully erect penis being aroused?  I can definitely see that its very important to make sure your penis is warm prior to doing anyting with it..You don't go out and start running after 10 years of nothing and not stretch a little first.
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2016, 03:36:05 AM »

* Personally, I can't define 50%. I pump maximum I can without feeling pain or feeling uncomfortable
* Regular erection and VED erection is different
* And yes, need to be worm

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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2016, 10:41:20 PM »

Guys, when applying heat be careful to avoid your balls. Sperm cells are sensitive to heat, you may have a decreased sperm count and who knows if there are long term consequences. This is why testicles evolved to be outside of the body, due to the fact that they require a temperature cooler than the body.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2016, 10:23:05 AM »

All of this sounds very promising. I have my first appt with a Peyronies Disease specialist next month and will discuss some of this to go along with my current regimen.  Very encouraging!
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2017, 04:24:06 AM »

Hi guys,

In my case, my hourglass/bottleneck problem is right below the glans. That means that my treatment consist of expanding that area. But guess what...that is the last part of the penis that gets inflated when pumping with my VED device. On other words, I need to get to ~100% lenghwise my erection (maybe even 110%, but I am not sure, since I am not measuring it) to get that area inflated to the limits of the cylinder wall. And even so, it doesn't want to do it completely. Is like the penis, in the area of the hourglass, refuses to expand whatsoever, even though everything else is already touching the walls.

It is frustrating, but this is what I am trying to do for now.

So, you do not need to pump till 100% if your case of PEyronie's doesn't require. But for me, for hourglass, if I don't do it, it doesn't expand that part of the penis, so it would all be for nothing.

Hopefully I explained myself clear enough :)
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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2017, 04:35:02 AM »

krazylord

I think mainly the VED (+ Pentox+ Low dose Cialis) eliminated my 3 hourglasses.
I have an one cylinder VED, large, so never fill the cylinder.
The point is consistency. It takes long time, more or less 12 months

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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2017, 07:30:39 PM »

Thanks, James. This is a marathon, indeed. Patience is critical. I will not lose hope until I have, at least tried this for 12 months as you mentioned.
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« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2017, 01:19:00 PM »

1 year update....

It's been 15 months and the progress i made a year ago is permanent. I am 100% straight now with some dents on the upper right side and bottom left side. I have not consistently used VED or traction in about 10 months and my condition has continued to improve. I think in general I have lost a little girth from how I was pre-peyronies, but I'm pretty sure that if I really wanted to, I could restore the girth with consistent traction and VED therapy. The soft glans I had experienced previously is gone and has not come back.

my ED has been steadily improving over time. I don't have any proof but I think barbell squats were really crucial in my recovery. The improved blood flow, increased strength, increased testosterone, and the feeling you get from increasingly heavier weight were all instrumental in getting my mind right. You won't recover without working on your mental state first.

My advice to anyone reading this: stop masturbating. Just completely stop. Do not use porn. If you have peyronie's, you have to be very selective about how you use your junk as an injury could occur at any time. Your mind and your partner(s) will benefit from it also. I believe my ED was due mainly to using porn and masturbating too aggressively. Be gentle with your dicks guys, you only have one. sex with a person is what it wants, it doesn't want you to yank on it while you stare at pixels on a screen. Since I have stopped masturbating, I have had zero hard flaccid. Hard flaccid was the worst for me psychologically, so I'm really thankful that I was able to address this problem.

I still get the odd pain and my dick gets sore if I have sex  more than a couple times a week, but it seems to recover well. I think if I take good care of it over the next year and keep things exercised with 2-3 ved sessions per week, I will be close to 100% recovered.

I would say right now I'm about 85% recovered.

Happy to answer any questions. I check in from time to time.

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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2017, 12:26:35 AM »

Major congrats wakenbake! Glad to know that your treatment plans have been permanent, considering this post has been widely viewed and that your homeopathic approach seems very common now (especially the heating). My only question for now would be to ask what your condition was like at its worst? It's to be said without a doubt that the psychological component of this "disease" can be just as debilitating as the physical, and as I've been browsing the forum for the past couple months, the information and stories that have given my outlook the biggest positive boost have been stories like yours. I suppose knowing the magnitude of your recovery will put this story in a more reasonable frame.

Also, this is my first post. Shout out to all contributors of this forum; you've just gained another bro.
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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2017, 01:47:17 AM »

Wakenbake;

Congrats on what you've achieved.

Keep up the routine, and remember that it's very possible that the condition can flare up again.

A combination of traction and VED should give you back the girth and stronger erections.
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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2017, 03:17:21 PM »

So, you do not need to pump till 100% if your case of PEyronie's doesn't require. But for me, for hourglass, if I don't do it, it doesn't expand that part of the penis, so it would all be for nothing.
This makes sense and, honestly, I didn't start seeing results with the VED until I started pumping hard.  Just as with stretching skeletal muscles you have to go PAST the point of comfort to see any progress.  Though of course not to the point where you feel pain, just a nice hard stretch.  This is especially true for hourglassing which take awhile to "pop back out."
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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2017, 09:56:21 PM »

Can you explaingoing hard w VED?
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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2017, 11:15:03 PM »

Very interesting protocol.

Your theory on heat is fascinating.

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« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2017, 07:35:06 AM »

Can you explaingoing hard w VED?
Yeah.  Basically, keep pumping until your penis looks slightly "better" than it does at a natural erection.

For example, at its worst I had about a 1/4" indentation on the left part of the penis, and slightly less on the right.  I pumped until the vacuum caused the indentations to be slightly less.  To me this is necessary so the scars remodel "knowing" that the skin needs to stretch more that it has been.
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Re: Huge success with the basic treaments!!
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2017, 04:06:07 AM »

I wouldn't even attempt going to a full erection with the VED! Always be careful and get used to the thing first :)
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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2017, 08:29:00 AM »

I wonder if people mean different things when they say 100% or full erection.

I always pump to basically the level of the best erection I could achieve without the VED, maybe a touch past that. Is that 100% ?

I pump to the same level as Steveo it sounds like.

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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2017, 12:08:53 PM »

The hand warmers have been working very well!

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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2017, 04:18:36 AM »

One thing on those handwarmers. The temperatures used in the hyperthermia studies were 39-41 celsius. I have clocked those handwarmers at 45-47 at times so it is something to be mindful of.
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