Microcurrent (TENS unit) as possible treatment based on 2007 study

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gringoviajero

A 2007 study of Verapamil vs. saline when delivered via microcurrent suggested that the electric current itself may have a curative effect.  The abstract is on the Web by searching on "Greenfield", the primary investigator, and the first few words of the paper's title: "Verapamil versus saline in electromotive drug administration for Peyronie's disease ...".

An unexpected outcome was that the saline group had nearly as many (by %) patients improve as the Verapamil group.  And more importantly, of the total of 42 participants, 11 (7 from the V. group, 4 saline) had >= 20º reduction in curvature.  The suggestion is that the current itself played a significant role.

I did not find the entire paper, only the abstract, but the suggestion is clear.

I have a TENS unit and am going to experiment with it.

1seeker

I am using a TENS unit before and after use of traction and VED devices. I created a new dance move accidentally when I was adjusting the dosage of intensity. Seriously, it really hurt. So be careful if you buy a new device that you're not familiar with

JasperTJ

Are you using the tens ultra sound? Do you think it helps?

hope794

Really interesting, i missed this. Which results did you obtain with microcurrent?

I have to say that i had 33 injections of verapamil on the plaque, via IONTHOPHORESIS, so microcurrent, and i had an improvement of about 30% in plaque lenght (from 7 mm to 5 mm)and of about 15-20% in thickness (from 1.7mm to 1.4mm).
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

Gabriel

Hey Hope,

Wow, your progress with Iontophoresis are encourageing, that's great! What about their effect on pain, if you were/are still in the acute phase?

About the TENS unit, as said by 1seeker, I'm not sure I'm ready to manipulate such thing I'm absolutely noob with if it comes to my penis :/... But it could be interesting that someone with greater experience report here :-)!!

- 35 yo, Peyronies Disease with chronic pain, general hourglassing with girth and length loss since 09/01/17.
- Pain almost cured with Hirudoid cream and diet/lifestyle changes (see my topics on this); deformity still here, but partly reduced with traction + VED.

hope794

Dearest Gabriel,
My Peyronie is quite unique. I haven't (and never had) any pain. Furthermore, my penis begun to curve about 4 years ago.. so my acute phase should be already ended.
For these reasons, i can't tell you the results of iontophoresis on pain, unfortunately. But this treatment of verapamil via iontophoresis gave me good results. I'm considering to buy a iontophoresis machine and continue to do that alone..
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

Gabriel

Sorry I've been away, but thanks a lot for your answer Hope :-) !!

Having your own iontophoresis machine at home would be awesome; I wish you good relief with it if you come to it.

Let us know!

- 35 yo, Peyronies Disease with chronic pain, general hourglassing with girth and length loss since 09/01/17.
- Pain almost cured with Hirudoid cream and diet/lifestyle changes (see my topics on this); deformity still here, but partly reduced with traction + VED.

hope794

@Gabriel, it's not difficult to find a iontophoresis machine; the difficult part is to find Verapamil :)
26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

TonySa

Just FYI, the control was not the tens unit alone but in conjunction w saline injection-so the supposed curative effect can only be assumed to be both in combination and is most likely due to the % of those w some degree of spontaneous remission or placebo.  Still, no reason not to try...
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

hope794

26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

swiss


Christopher1

I believe the way a TENS unit works is through the gate control theory. It basically fools your body into thinking there is no pain (spinal cord).

How this therapeutically benefits a scar I fail to see. Worth a try, I suppose.
Snake Diet + 5-day fasts + pentox + NeoV's stretching routine + Mito Red Light. Curvature 99% gone.

I also used Todd Capistrant's "Fascial Distortion Model" to help my curvature. Start slowly.

swiss

Im reading a lot of articles like this but also government studies on the topic of electricity and wound healing...

My Story: Scar Relief Therapy – National Pain Report


Fix This

I have a TENS / EMS ( Electronic Muscle Stimulator) machine that I bought recently. I bought it with the main diea in mind being to treat muscle and back pain I have from old injuries.

I've only used it once so far on the TENS setting. If this device , or any other similar one was to be used for Peyronies treatment, it would seem that EMS would be the way to go with it?   I have copied and pasted here some of the text from Swiss' link  . It erefernces breaking up scar tissue which is very interesting for us Peyronies sufferers.  Ofcourse with it being such an unknown , it is quite a scary idea to be putting these pads and a charge like this through your penis!  How did you all vet along with your experiments?

" MS treatment is focused on directly stimulating the underlying msucular structures. Higher power levels combine with frequencies in the range that promote msucle contraction are used. This can be used to fatigue a tight muscle to promote muscle relaxation, help break up scar tissue adhesions, restore lost joint motion through directed muscular contractiosn into the joint restriction, increase blood flow through creating an oscillating pumping action fo muscular contractions in an area, and relieve pain through general desensitization of the area from the direct stimulation to the muscles"
47 , penis trauma July 2018 leading to Peyronies. 30-40 degree dorsal curvature, narrowing after plaque. 

I'm attacking it though, and I will fix this!

VED, traction, DMSO, Ultrasound, Acupuncture, meds, herbs

hope794

26 yo from Italy.
Peyronie's since abt 2014
Abt 20-25° bend, w/ a moderate twist to the left
ED for 4 years and getting worse
From pornstar-like to moderately depressed - still fighting for a solution.

TonySa

I wouldn't try it unless you've heard some success and found out what the protocol was.  You don't want to induce any additional trauma.
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

JamesJustJames

Quote from: Fix This on December 31, 2019, 05:05:50 AM

I've only used it once so far on the TENS setting. If this device , or any other similar one was to be used for Peyronies treatment, it would seem that EMS would be the way to go with it?   I have copied and pasted here some of the text from Swiss' link  . It erefernces breaking up scar tissue which is very interesting for us Peyronies sufferers.  Ofcourse with it being such an unknown , it is quite a scary idea to be putting these pads and a charge like this through your penis!  How did you all vet along with your experiments?


So have you tried it?  I joined this site with exactly this question in mind.  I have a TENS unit for an injury as well, and I know that it can be turned so far down that I don't even feel it.

As to safety...  I know there are men who use it to masturbate hands free (no... I've never tried), so I don't think it is Dangerous, per se.  My worry would be making things worse, but as you said, TENS treatments have been used for breaking up scar tissue.

55 year old guy near Seattle, USA. Diagnosed right before the Coronavirus pandemic... at least that made Not Dating easier, right? :-)  Physically functional, but not so much emotionally functional at the moment.