Traction

[ComeBacKid]

Iamthewife,

I couldn't understand your last post, do you mean that your waiting for the FastSize product to be approved for medical use by the insurance company to get coverage on it?  I know with the VED it depends on the coding of why the doctor says you need it when he prescribes it.  When I tried to get mine covered they had to change the diagnosis code to ED rather than peyronies disease, since if it was peyronies disease it was not covered by my health insurance company at the time. 

Comebackid

[iamthewife]

Has anyone used the traction device from X4 Labs instead of FastSize..fastsize is not selling at the moment as the await approval to be deemed a medical device.

[Ben]

Yes it helps. I have less buckling and my unit is thicker. Hope you'll have result from your routine, stick with it

[MikeSmith]

Thanks ben.  Yeah I have the hourglass problem too.  Did your stretching / pumping routine help lessen the hourglass or dents? 

[Ben]

Well, yes it's my daily routine. I pump just after stretching because doing it in elongated state give me more results.

MikeSmith : unfortunatly I've got hourglass and curve. The scar tissue runs all along from the inner pelvic  zone to the tip. The dorsal nerve really lack of function so impairment of function / erection.
Stretching divide the scar tissue, it's still there but somewhat re-arranged. Also take pentox and Hgh enhancer to promote growth.

Even if you are strongly dedicated to stretching, 1 year is the minimum amount to welcome curvature results.

[newguy]

"Stretching 2 hrs / pumping 25 min / stretching 2 hrs"

Is this your daily routine? Do you pump directly after you stretch or take a break? Congrats on the success so far.

[MikeSmith]

Ben,

Thanks for the info.  Where is your plaque?  Do you have the hourglass issue (indentations) or just a curve? 

[lwillisjr]

Ben,
That's great feedback. Thanks for posting.

[Ben]

I have to report susbsantial benefit after using traction.
Aiming at 2500 hrs, 450 done yet.

I use it at moderate tension but for 1 hour (-+ 45 min)

signs if you are stretching too high :
- constantly sore
- localisated pain at stretching point
- band slippage
- lasting shrinkage after session
- erection +-

I have gained more girth than lenght (1cm), but even the curve is better.
+1 cm EL // +1 cm EG and more when full erect
Stretching 2 hrs / pumping 25 min / stretching 2 hrs

Focus on a nice stretch increase time, not tension - AVOID hurting you please - stretching and pumping can do damage on your penis, it's not a RACE.

[MikeSmith]

Has anyone ever tried using both methods--the VED and the Fastsize for a stretch of time...............
Neidz

I have been using both for a few weeks... and it seems like I can get a little more length in the VED after using fast size.  I don't know what the long term results would be - but I have plaques on the sides and top - so I want to use something that will stretch it in a 360 degree way rather than just pull on it like fast size.  I don't really measure or look at the curve very often (too depressing and/or no change) - but in a few months maybe I'll have some more to report.   

I don't really see the harm in using both as long as you don't have pain.  (Any other input on this?)  The VED protocol only takes me 15-20 min at this point too, so it's not really like I'm putting my penis through a crazy obstacle course.  If it gets a little sore, I can take a day off or take rods out...which I am trying not to do but it happens.

[neidz]

I had a radical prostetectomy July of 2007.  I developed Peyronies about a 1.5 years ago. 

I kind of chewed out my Eurologist in May 2010--(supposed to be one of the most qualified on Peyronies in the Western States), he pretty much told me to take a hike.  I was only frustrated because all the doctors I have seen are so passive and act like there is nothing you can do.  They only throw out options for you to choose from.  I don't know if it's a liability issue or what.  I don't blame anyone, I just want to get on the most logical track.

A couple months ago I commented on the Fastsize.  I thought it was aggravating the plaque.  I believe I returned it in February this year.  My size and girth have reduced probably 20%--probably more since I quit using the Fastsize, based on my wife's input.  Fastsize obviously was meeting my needs in those areas.  I have been taking Pentox for about 4 months.  I tried to buy the Augusta 3 cylinder VED unit about March timeframe--my insurance (Altius) refused to cover it.  I am going to send an explanation and hopefully have them reconsider.  I am a little confused which direction to go now, after procrastinating.  I definitely want to regain the length and girth shorterm, but want to address the curvature long term.  I probably used the Fastsize too agressively--causing a lot of pain from cutting off blood circulation and the constant pull in several areas of the penis.  I used the Fastsize in several ways and angles--thinking the typical setting was pushing on the curvature and increasing the degrees of the curve.

Has anyone ever tried using both methods--the VED and the Fastsize for a stretch of time...............
Neidz

[freckle]

Thank you, Old Man.  You know, this is something that I have lived with, but has really bothered me.  Being able to talk about it and find solutions is terrific!  I appreciate your concern and help.  You seem to be the man with the knowledge.  Thanks again.

[Old Man]

MLC:

Welcome to one of the best Peyronies Disease forums around the web! Sorry to hear that you are have joined the Peyronies Disease club! As we all get older it seems like we get more and more problems in the genital and sex department.

Read your posts with interest and will try to give you some suggestions and/or advice about your problem. First, sounds like your case is not very severe as some of the guys on the forum. However, any case of Peyronies Disease is a problem to the owner or it, huh?

I would not recommend the traction device for your use based on what you say your days are like. They do become cumbersome to wear especially if your meet the public like you do. The VED is much less cumbersome to do and can be done in just about 30 minutes at each session. There has been success with both devices, so one must decide which is best for him. I recommend the VED therapy using the three cylinder unit with the 26 week protocol listed in the VED board section on the home page of the forum.

The VED has become the weapon of choice for Peyronies Disease therapy for many guys on the forum. Along with oral supplements and other meds, success in recovering from their Peyronies Disease has been achieved. In my personal case, the VED proved to be the only therapy that gave me back the dimensions I lost along with the ability to resume a good sex life. Had a radical prostatectomy in 1995 that left me totally impotent due to a non nerve sparing surgery. The VED worked great and restored my sexual ability back to almost normal.

You have found a great source of information about the whys and wherefores of Peyronies Disease, ED and other men's health problem on this forum. Suggest that you do as much research on the forum as possible with your limited daily free time. Then weigh all the options and decide on which therapy you should attempt. We are all here to help in any way.

So, feel free to ask any and all questions that you may have to help you decide your best option to suit your individual needs. There are many options out there, so make sure that you choose the right one. The best advice any of us can give at this point it to get started on whatever one you choose.

Old Man

[freckle]

I forgot to introduce myself and reason for being on this site.  I have had peyronies for over a year.  Not exactly sure of how long.  An associate is a urologist.  I called him over a year ago, worried that the lump I was feeling was a cancer, and described the curve in my penis.  He explained peyronies disease to me and suggest 400 IU of Vit E. 3 times a day.  I have been doing that for over a year.  I saw some decrease in curvature, I think.  Obviously not enough to quantify.  My problem is not severe, but the decrease in length and the curved penis is disconcerting.  My wife doesn't mind, but she has had pain during intercourse recently that I am wondering if the peyronies has some contribution.  I am able to have satisfactory intercourse after insertion.  I would appreciate advice on where to start and what to do.  It sounds like the only reason to use a physician is if injections would be recommended.  I am very interested in your advice.  Boy, am I glad to find this site.

[BrooksBro]

I tried several hand lotions, and found them all to be less than satisfactory.  At GNC, I found 2-ounce jars similar to what FastSize sells: Aloe Vera, and Vitamins E, A & D.  Of these, the Vitamins E, A & D is more soothing to me.  It is an acceptable substitute.  I especially liked the price ($1.99 USD, $1.50 on sale).

[newguy]

This is very positive news Ben. Thanks for sharing it with us .

[Ben]

Well I've some good improvement to report.

with the extender

- avaibility to have with the hardness I had in the past. Eventhough there's still a lack of sensation, it really can relieve ED.

- the lenght and girth make a nice difference. I don't check the mm so frequently but after this routine I find my unit more appelling to me, feel more confident.Fuller and stronger, lasting and morning erection.

- the curve is better, the scar tissue had soften and I appreciate the result. I would like to correct it more, but I don't notice it while having intercourse.

with the bathmate

- pumping conteract the shrinking in the day and keep a nice overall lenght and girth
- combinated whith stretching is a good combo to gain girth gain and erection stamina
- do some kegel exercice and manual stretching is easy and efficient

the only downside is that you'll have to work it hard everyday, time consuming but worth it.

[Ben]

I have been using a stretching device for about 350 hours. 4hrs a day, 6 day per week. My unit is more healthy and I can have better erections.

In term of lenght gain I'd say that I've start with 6,2 and now i'm 6,6. The girth is a little better yet and must have something to do with erectile quality.

I must say that nocturnal erection and morning wood are back. At the very beginning it was not really hard and went away rapidly but with time there is improvement. One good sign is that the fibrotic tissue is less hard and have changed in a better way. Overall improvement yet but way from cured.

I've added bathmate (water pumping) to my stretching routine few days ago.

When dealing with traction you've have to know that my goal is not 6 months, but 2000 hours of stretching. May be achivied in 3 years. It's far the best thing i've done to my peyronie and I encourage everyone here to give it a try.

[skunkworks]

At around 2 months myself. Everything is going well.

I was going to wait till 3 months to measure but may do it sooner.

I took photos next to a ruler so I could track my progress exactly, and for easy comparison.

[lwillisjr]

chiguy,
Great progress and keep us updated.

Les

[chiguy]

Update: 3 month fastsize update. I am almost at the 3 month mark. Flaccid length has increased about half an inch since use started back in January. Erection length has increased over half an inch, erection girth a tiny bit larger. Curvature is slowly decreasing, but I didn't have a ton to begin with. I am doing about 40 hours a week now because I felt 50 was too much once I started stretching beyond erection length considerably and consistently.

[skunkworks]

Just passed the one month mark. Did 55 hours all up in the first month hope to raise that to around 120 this month.

Erection quality is up, no idea about length as I am only going to measure every 3 months.

[chiguy]

Just passed the 2 month mark for fastsize, currently at 370 hours. I am stretching 1 inch past current erection length. I think I am at the point where it becomes harder to add a 0.5 centimeter bar because instead of adding one each week, it took about 9 or 10 days. I assume this is the point where the most changes take effect as one is really stretching. I also cannot go 2 full hours at this stretch length, I can go about 75 minutes before I need a rest.

I have gained about 0.3 inches in length and 0.2 in girth over the 2 months. Curve reduction has not yet occurred, but I'm optimistic as I feel the stretch on the area with the curve.

[MikeSmith]

I have used traction (fast size) for about a week... am in the early phase of this (started around november).  I am actually a little concerned it is curving to the left now (above the plaque)...but then again, maybe that's impossible given it has been just 1 week.  not sure... the plaque is much worse on the left - so perhaps it was like this always.

But also - w/ the combination of penox, arg, and sometimes viagra (and vit E, etc...) i think I have had better erections in general.  It seemed to improve more after only a few days w/ fast size.  The girth toward the base seemed bigger / stronger.  No Peyronies Disease changes yet of course...but as a new patient, those are just my own thoughts / observations.

I think i'm going to use the VED too but I had a hard time working out the suction issues...i think if u dont shave the hair, it wont form a vacuum (well at least i couldnt get it to yet).   I couldn't get it to work (but it worked on my hand) ... so the pump works, it's just that i cant get it to work down below... also cleaning the lube off me and the device is kind of annoying compared w/ the traction device which is lower maintenance (but u have to wear it longer - so maybe the tradeoff is not bad).  

[zeppo]

Thanks  for the advice, Lwillis and Jack.
Jack, did you start using the VED soon after you were  diagnosed?
Thanks, Zeppo

[jackp]

zeppo

One of the problems with waiting to treat peyrones is loss of penile size, up to 25%.

I used the VED to help regain lost size and to help my penis stray healthy. I recommend you go to the VED board, all the information you need should be there. If not Old Man is the best source of information.

Jackp

[lwillisjr]

Zeppo,
I don't know of any expert that would say to wait. Well know experts like Dr. Levine and others would tell you to start aggresively treating the Peyronies Disease as soon as possible. You want to try to keep it from getting worse during the acute phase.

Your Hamlet quote is great as there are many suggestions regarding whether to use the VED vs. traction. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

[zeppo]

I’m new to this site, having found it only recently.  I’m grateful that
I was  fortunate enough to discover this forum, with its wealth of
information,  and group members who have had experience with various
methods  of treating Peyronies Disease.

“To stretch or not to stretch, that is the question.  Whether ‘tis nobler……”  -
I  feel almost like Hamlet these days trying to  determine which step to take
next in my  treatment of  Peyronies Disease.   After spending much time reading posts on this
forum, as well as on the Web,  I’ve come to the conclusion that the use of either
the traction device  or VED  is the most effective treatment. 

The dilemma I am  faced with is “when should  I start”?    Some  physicians who specialize in treating Peyronies Disease recommend waiting until the disease reaches the chronic stage, which occurs sometime between 12 and 18 months after onset of the disease.   The logic behind this theory is that using a  stretching technique while still in the acute stage of the disease could cause further damage.   Other  expert physicians recommend starting treatment  ASAP, while still in the acute phase, in order to nip the disease in the bud. 
In my case, I was diagnosed in October, 2009, but started noticing symptoms a couple
of months earlier, thus  I’m still in the acute stage, about  6 months post-onset of the disease.       
Both theories sound plausible.   If some experts recommend  starting stretching while in the acute stage, and others recommend waiting for the chronic stage before starting, it seems like the timing related to the commencement of   a stretching treatment  could be decided by a coin flip. 

I’d appreciate any info and opinions  related to when is the best time to start a stretching treatment.                 

Thanks in advance, Zeppo

[bart15]

Hey Neidz,

If you go to the Big Penis Enlargement Forum, people use a modified device with a Vac head piece. Here is a link to what the head piece looks like

http://www.autoextender.com/vacextender.html

If you go to the forum, there are many threads on tips on helping wearing the device. You can type in Vac head piece and read about it in threads and I guess ask guys about your situation and if it would help. Here is the link to the forum

http://www.big-penis.com

I don't know if this would help avoid the area where you have a plaque, but it is something worth considering. Apparently it also more comfortable and can give you a harder stretch.

Bart

[chiguy]

Now I get what you are saying. It makes sense.

With the small spacers, I measured them to be 0.67cm. That's why only 3 equals a 2cm bar. It appears that the company changed the sizing of the spacers at some point, because other users say they have the same small spacers as me, while others have 0.5cm small spacers.

[BrooksBro]

Because I have to add a spacer when the springs are no longer compressed, I believe there is a continuing increase in length. 

Can you clarify when you say you must add a spacer when the springs are no longer compressed? I'm a little confused by the compression. Wouldn't the springs not be compressed in order to achieve the maximum stretch? I could just be reading this wrong.

Correct, you compress the springs and then tighten the noose.  When you release the hand pressure, the springs are free to extend to apply tension.  After wearing it daily for 1-2 weeks with the same number of spacers, I notice after it has been on for a while that I can easily pull the end plastic piece away from the end of the tension bars by a little bit.  That tells me the springs are fully extended and no longer applying very much tension, if any.  That is when I add another spacer.  The springs have 3/8 inch maximum travel from fully extended to fully compressed, and the spacers are 1/4 inch long.

[chiguy]

Neidz and I have a similar plaque location and time using the FS.  My wife has noticed an increase in girth, as have I.  Because I have to add a spacer when the springs are no longer compressed, I believe there is a continuing increase in length.  I average 2-4 hours on most days, perhaps up to 6 hours per day on weekends.  I have not yet detected any change in the plaque size or location.

Can you clarify when you say you must add a spacer when the springs are no longer compressed? I'm a little confused by the compression. Wouldn't the springs not be compressed in order to achieve the maximum stretch? I could just be reading this wrong.

[BrooksBro]

Neidz and I have a similar plaque location and time using the FS.  My wife has noticed an increase in girth, as have I.  Because I have to add a spacer when the springs are no longer compressed, I believe there is a continuing increase in length.  I average 2-4 hours on most days, perhaps up to 6 hours per day on weekends.  I have not yet detected any change in the plaque size or location.

Overall, I am pleased with my progress, so far.  I understand that this treatment (like braces on teeth) is a 6-12 month process.  In Levine's FS study, there was a measurable reduction in curvature, not elimination. 

Very recently improving my testosterone level has allowed Viagra to once again be effective.  My wife says it appears to her that my curvature is worse.  I believe that is because of the length and girth increases, and to better filling.  As was recently discussed, a stronger erection would expand the non-plaque side more.  More curved or not, it did not affect my ability to penetrate, and I did not have any increase in discomfort.  Actually, it felt pretty good, the best experience for me in the last year. 

I will continue the PAV cocktail, testosterone, and FS until they prove to be ineffective, achieve the desired results, surgery becomes necessary, or a better treatment comes along.  I don't see that there are many "good" choices.

[chiguy]

I'm a little worried it is going to stretch out the non-scarred area right above the scar...so the hourglass might end up even worse.  That area, when erect, is significantly narrower than the rest of the penis.  I'm not sure if this would really happen, but that's my biggest concern with it.

I have slight hourglassing on the left side, but no detectable plaque. I asked Dr. Levine, he said that in his experience, that particular scenario won't happen. Due to the stretching forces, you have to be stretching the entire shaft so that area has to be repaired first at least to the point where it is stretchable before moving to the next level.

[Tim468]

Neidz, It sounds like you're right - the FastSize did not help you and may have hurt you, even done more or less correctly.

You might bounce back to using the VED for a while - that may be able to apply a straightening force to your penis.

Tim

[MikeSmith]

I'm a little worried it is going to stretch out the non-scarred area right above the scar...so the hourglass might end up even worse.  That area, when erect, is significantly narrower than the rest of the penis.  I'm not sure if this would really happen, but that's my biggest concern with it.

[chiguy]

During my first week I experienced some discomfort with the device. I have gotten used to it, although when I remove the device after a 2 hour period, the head is slightly raw. The only pain I have is if I have an erection right after using the traction device for a long period of time, which is apparently normal. They say wait an hour or so after finishing with the device until sexual contact.

Sorry to hear the device didn't work out for you neidz. Perhaps there is something else you can try. Some users put a baby wipe underneath the foam (between the foam and head) to soften the blow.

[neidz]

I got the FastSize in October, 2009.  I was told by the company on a few occasions (I think there is only one or two ladies who handle calls).  Well, my curve is close to the head of the penis.  The area that the "noose" secures yourself to the unit put constant pressure on plaque in that area.  I talked to their customer service several times and waited for 2 mos for Dr. Levine to either email me or call me.  I manipulated the device several different ways to optimize the trajectory on the curve.  Several times myself was purple at the head from the stranglehold of the noose.  I can not even explain the penis pain I felt at times when I released the lasso.  I know, duh...............

Saw my euro. Dr. WO Brant in SLC 2/1/10, he said he thinks I have irritated the plaque (which he noticed immediately had worsened).  I don't know if it was because I hadn't stablized or if the device actually caused the worsening.  IMHO that it was a combination of both.  I was diligent.  At times I overstretched and with much moving around the office during the day--I certainly created stress.  In about 3 months I have gone from slightly uncomfortable intercourse to lastnight--could not penetrate with the increased curve.  Do I blame FS--absolutely at some level. 

Are you kidding?  I have spent over the past 2-3 months over 2hrs of conversation with a nice lady who is trying to understand how the traction unit is not working effectively for me.  Her only resolve was to take one home with her partner and try to see by play role what my problem was.

Understand that much of my problem could be related to the position of the curve.  But beware.

Dr. Levine --I'm sure could have saved me some significant degree increase in curvature if he would have called, emailed, whatever.  I mean, if he is going to endorse the product, and is an expert on Peyronies Disease, then he needs to somehow
support what I consider pushing a "severe" case of curvature.

[MikeSmith]

I am right now stretching at erection length, so I assume the majority of gains are made once an individual begins to stretch beyond their starting erection length.

Chi- thanks for the update.  How long did it take you to get to erection length?  I've had it for a few days and the most i feel comfortable with right now is erection length minus 1.5"... any more and i get nervous / don't feel comfortable.  Did Dr. Levine give you guidance on this? The little booklet didn't seem to say much about size, though it does tell you when to increase, etc.

How's the hourglassing looking? (if you had it - I forget..)

Thanks again!

[chiguy]

Haha doing my best to avoid that. Luckily, no one around here wakes up before 3pm.

[Iceman]

chiguy - make sure the neighbours dont see you...

[chiguy]

I figured I would update everyone on my experience with traction. I am currently almost a month into traction, I have logged 163 hours. Currently, I have a fuller erection, and slight increases in girth and length. There hasn't been much change to the curvature other than to say it is flatter, meaning not as sharp.

I am right now stretching at erection length, so I assume the majority of gains are made once an individual begins to stretch beyond their starting erection length.

I try to log 8 hours a day five days a week and 5 hours a day two days a week. This equates to 50 hours per week, which is 6 hours below the maximum allowed for each week. I have a lot of time, so I am doing my best to keep up with the regimen. The device has gotten more comfortable, except for the first 2 or 3 days when I add length to the device. Granted, it still is difficult to walk around in.

I do not wear the device out of the house as it would be too uncomfortable in jeans or dress pants.

[lwillisjr]

For you guys who have experiance using the traction device what activites are you able to do & not do while you are wearing it. Can you walk around without it slipping out of position or falling off.

I would wear mine at home underneath sweatpants. I could do most anything around the house. As someone earlier said just cautious when sitting or changing positions. I think I may have even drove down to the local convenience store to pick up something.

I think it is almost impossible to wear it under jeans or dress pants. So that ruled it out ofr me during the ady at work.

[Old Man]

Iceman:

I have always been of the opinion that one with Peyronies Disease should only use one treatment/therapy at a time. If more than one is used at the same time, you would never know which one did the good work. I have never used traction or the jelqing procedure of correcting curves or penis enlargement.

Early on, I tried some jelqing, but soon learned that it was causing more trauma than good. Most jelqing procedures call for bending the shaft in the opposite direction of the curve with heavy massaging while doing this. Maybe with mild massaging, bending the shaft in the opposite direction and careful use the jelqing might have worked. Anyway, I just quit it and never looked back after starting the VED therapy suggested by my uro.

However, bottom line, I did find that taking vitamin E in the levels suggested by uro apparently helped with blood flow into and out of the penis during use of the VED.

Old Man

[BrooksBro]

I am pleased with the post-stretching cream that came with my FastSize.  The $12 replacement cost ($6 per ounce) would bring a smile to Adam Smith were he still alive.  As I near the bottom of it, I am interested in a less expensive alternative.  Anyone care to recommend something they found equally soothing?

[BrooksBro]

I have about 3 months of experience.  I find it far from comfortable, just tolerable, that's all.  I can do most anything I want to do, I just have to be careful how I sit, squat, and bend over.  When I wear it with my penis pointed towards my navel (held up by underwear briefs), the ring moves down enough that one testicle often slips inside the ring.  This is briefly painful until quickly corrected.  Most often, I wear it pointed down, usually into one baggy pants leg or the other.  Then I just have to be careful how I sit and squat.

Perhaps most annoying is having to remove it when I go to the bathroom.  If you need to urinate often, that is very inconvenient.  Early on, I made the mistake of peeing while wearing it.  I won't do that again!  Because of this alone, I could never wear it to my 8-5 job.  Weekdays, I wear it 1-2 hours in the morning and about the same in the evenings, longer on weekends.  I wear it as much as I can, and add spacers when I begin to screw out the rods to keep the springs compressed.

[Woodman]

For you guys who have experiance using the traction device what activites are you able to do & not do while you are wearing it. Can you walk around without it slipping out of position or falling off.

[Iceman]

thanks oldman - i guess you gotta do what you have to do to keep this at bay - phsycologically  its better to do something than nothing at all - I mean i have thrown everything at this disease over the past 2 years and one can only try - I think that the pentox and ved usage is the best combination BUT who knows it could be VED and some other thing - interestingly enough i have ordered pycnoginol and keto 7 recently and have been using them in combination with other meds for the past month with no visible results - you guessed right a bit of a waste of money, hey what can I do just keep trying and try not to think about it too much and keep it in the back of my mind - focusing on Peyronies Disease really is negative and I believe  creates further problems ( physically and especially mentally).

[Old Man]

Iceman:

Well now, you have asked a good question. Since there are no known published studies supporting my position about VED usage, have only my personal experience working with quite a number of guys locally in my home town and those on the forum. I wish that the Birmingham, Alabama urology group would hurry up and publish their findings with their three cylinder VED study done in the past several years. To date, it has not come forth and all my repeated requests to them for such data have gone on deaf ears. So, as to that, who knows??

Now as for meds, that also is up in the air. I have not seen good studies that report any good success with meds. One or two that I could mention only cost the us pockets full of money with only bad results or none at all. So, IMHO, the jury is still out on that one too. The members of this forum has asked over and over for any and all using any kind of Peyronies Disease therapy to come back and report their success of failure in any of their attempts to get relief from their Peyronies Disease symptoms.

Hopefully, there will be a break through for Peyronies Disease relief sometime in the near future. But, based on the past several hundred years of men suffering from this malady, there is no indication of a "cure/treatment" that works will be forthcoming either.

So, bottom line, my suggestion to all is to keep trying anything and everything that has any potential for helping with their Peyronies Disease problems.

Old Man

[chiguy]

Woodman,

Dr. Levine said in his studies that none of his patients lost any noticeable length or girth after the 6 month mark with fastsize.