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james1947

I just read the article bellow:
Malaysia's herbal Viagra takes off | Fox News
The Indonesian name is Pasak Bumi.
Maybe it can replace the daily low dose Cialis in Peyronies/ED treatment?

James
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dplookin

It's good to post this information.  People need to know the side effects.  The side effects are not critical.  A person should start with only 100 mg, and they should not take it late in the day.  It can keep a person from sleeping.  It can also cause irritability and can make a person aggresive.  Other than these side effects, it's a good product that a lot of people use including myself.  If I'm not mistaken, the Tongkat Ali that comes from Indonesia is better than what comes from Malaysia.  Just FYI, dplookin

UrsusMinor

It's probably different in Southeast Asia, but a lot of the Tongkat Ali coming into the US is apparently either very low in the active ingredients, or is just a mixture of herbs with Viagra added (the FDA has seized a number of shipments for this reason).

I know because a lot of bodybuilders are into Long Jack, and they sit around the gym and complain a lot about how difficult it is to get the real stuff in the US.

james1947

If you will make a search for Pasak Bumi you will find the Indonesian manufacturer.
I sent them an email, they product is not available in Indonesia.
Just for export.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
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UrsusMinor

James--On behalf of the gym rats I know, thank you!

dplookin

James and UrsusMinor.........Tongkat Ali (Long Jack) from Indonesia is available on Amazon.com.  This product is provided by Pure Science Supplements and is called "SD-200, Extract 200:1".  It's not cheap, but available.  I have been told that the best Long Jack is the 200:1, from Indonesia, and if possible it should be 10 year old.

FYI......dplookin

UrsusMinor

Thanks, dplookin...the people I've heard complaining about Tongkat in the US haven't been complaining they can't find it. They've been complaining that they buy it and it turns out to be fake, or uses very small concentrations, or is something else entirely (usually something dusted with Viagra or a Viagra homologue).

Ironically, a lot of the fake Tongkat seems to originate out of China via Singapore (with real Tongkat coming from neighboring Singapore and Indonesia). The drugs used aren't usually Viagra or Cialis, but slightly rearranged (and untested) variants on the Viagra or Cialis backbones. This has been a problem for several years. For example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18316170 . So I think what the bodybuilding crowd is looking for is something they are sure is authentic.

So the big questions are about the concentration and authenticity. And, as far as I can tell, no independent party is doing any testing on these products. Of course, a lot of supplements fall into that category...but the financial incentive to fake Tongkat seems pretty high.

james1947

This is the website of the Indonesian manufacturer with prices:
Tongkat ali, pasak bumi, butea superba, kacip fatima - order, buy online
What I don't understand is the difference between the 1:50 and 1:200.
Also what suppose to be the dosage? 300, 600 mg for the 1:200, 400, 200 mg for the 1:50?
An other Indonesian site:
Pasak Bumi - Indonesia Tongkat Ali
& Amazon
The pricing very confusing.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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dplookin

James....from what I have read in the past about Tongkat Ali, I have learned that 1:200 is the best.  The dosage of 300 mg seems like a lot.  Taking that much might turn a person into a Raging Bull.......I mean, it could make some people very irritable and very aggressive.  When I take only 100mg, I can feel the irritability, but maybe that's just me.  Just my personal experience.  dplookin

UrsusMinor

Maybe I'll just get some trees and grow them myself!

aazmaish

i just saw this post and wish to put my comments ...
i bought Tongkat Ali from Malaysia ... it was The Best pill i had ever had ... the erections were so great and strong that it make me felt like a 17 years old boy ... plus a full command on orgasm... I took it for three years  once in a week (it helped me ready for twice in a week for intimacy)...
my foolishness to attribute my peyronies to Tongkat Ali.......... ( sometimes it made me so hot and aggressive that i use to have sex during the off days of my wife ... which was very unhealthy .. i use to play around for too long time wd aggressive sex @53 years .. i believe i developed peyronies in any one of that prolonged sessions ...... :(
but as far as Tongkat Ali is concern .... Vow ! ;D.. it gave me the best pleasure i had wd any medicine ..
it is safe and should be tried ...
Aazmaish



james1947

aazmaish

You are not using it anymore?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
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aazmaish

i bought a full box which lasted three years  .. one  tablet a week gave me sufficient rock solid erection to perform my duties twice a week  ;). with full control on my timings .... this was an amazing medicine. (though i am taking Cialis , but Tongkat Ali has no comparison)
so the box lasted a full three year.. ( i bought it in front on my hotel on a normal shop in Malaysia )
now i am trying to buy same on net but confused as so many suppliers on net .. i was planning to go to Malaysia all the way to buy another box .. will try to mix my PRP shots and purchase Tongkat Ali in same trip may b end of year .. (depends upon financials  :'()
...
you can take one packet which consist of two tablets and use to get the feel of it ........ dint miss it ..
it was a green color  packet .. small one .. hope u can get it in Indonesia ..
Aazmaish  

james1947

I just bought from the Indonesian manufacturer:
tongkat ali, benefits of tongkat ali, tongkat ali benefits, side effects of tongkat ali, tongkat ali side effects
Inside Indonesia the price is $40, including shipment. Will see how it will affect me :)
The manufacturer have all the government certificates to prove that they product is genuine.

James
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dplookin

James.....Just FYI.......the Indonesian product is suppose to be much better than what comes from Malaysia.  dplookin

james1947

dplookin

That what the Indonesian people are saying.
Nothing from Malaysia is not good. ;D (except money of course 8))

James  
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aazmaish

i remember surfing the net about 6 months ago wd same conclusion ..i-e Indonesia's Tongkat Ali is better ..
pls guide us wd your comments after using it ..
do u think it can a substitute for cialis in case it works for u ..??
Aazmaish


james1947

aazmaish

Let's not jump to conclusion.
Pentox, Cialis and VED made my plaque soft.
I don't know if Tobgkat Ali can replace Cialis in this subject.
Maybe can replace for me the Viagra I am taking for intercourse.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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aazmaish

Agree wd your comments ..
however still wish to see the outcome of Tongkat Ali .

thanks ..
Aazmaish

james1947

I got today the Tongkat Ali, 1:200/300 mg per capsule from the Indonesian supplier.
Questions:
It will be OK to take it while I am on daily 5 mg Cialis?
When to take it? How many times a week?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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aazmaish

i suggest to drop Cialis for one or two weeks.. take one
tablet one hr after dinner.. you need to plan the dosage as per your own condition ..
for me , it used to give me good blood circulation in my penis for at least two days ..
you may need to take one  tablet on alternate night ( depends ) .. pls make sure u take a healthy diet ..  if you develop a good feeling of erection and  do intercourse.. i had occasionaly back pain symptoms and had to improve my diet ( due to frequent intercourses i did .. but it only happened after 2 years of  very frequent intercourse ) .. i still beleive Tongkat Ali will substitute Cilias wd other properties also ..
lets share the views after one week of switching to Tongkat Ali ..
Aazmaish

james1947

Thanks for the input Aazmaish.
I will start today.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
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aazmaish

it is my pleasure to b of any help to u ..
after thought ! pls take this tablet two hours before going to bed .. (i remember you mention of taking dinner too early).
wating anxiously for your comments ..
Aazmaish ::)

NeoV

Let us know your results James I'll probably try it soon out of curiosity.

james1947

This what is written on the paper accompanied with the bottle of 1:200/300 mg:
In the treatment of fatigue and other common health: Twice a day, 3 capsules
Increase of libido and sexual function: Twice a day, 4 capsules
Bodybuilders to achieve high testosterone level: Twice a day, 5 capsules.

Those quantities are far higher than Aazmaish suggestion.
Opinions?

By the way, I got from them free, a bottle of 1:50/400 mg, 100 capsules.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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aazmaish

this seems to more like a dietry suppliment/ food suppliment rather than a ED medicine ... mine was just two tablets in a packet (like cialis.. but smaller packet .. with a picture of men/women having intimacy ).. ut was rather expensive .. if i correctly remember about 2-3 $/ tablet ..
you may also shop around the Tongkat Ali for ED from any local pharmacy .. if u r Indonesia..
it does not seem appropriate for an ED tablet to b taken 3-4 in a day ..
Aazmaish

dplookin

James..........about the dosage of the Tongkat Ali, I would Not take that much.  I am saying this from experience and research I have done.  First, I would suggest not taking more than 200 mg to start, and if possible start with 100 mg.  And, do not take it late in the day.  I highly recommend taking it early in the day.  It will keep you awake at night if you take it later in the day, and if you take too much, you will become Very Agressive and Irritable.  Start with a low dose early in the day...............dplookin

james1947

Thanks for the advice's.
My capsules are 1:200/300 mg so I can't take less.
Yesterday 7 PM was the second capsule.
I didn't experienced yet not elevated libido, it didn't effect my sleep, but yes, I think yesterday I was a little bit in aggressive mood.
From the other side the aggressiveness may be from stress as I am renovating my new house while living in already and have a lot of problems to solve.
Dplookin, why taking it in the morning?
Aazmaish, my Tongkat Ali is from the Indonesian supplier that I read about them on the net, they supply the cleanest product.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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dplookin

James...I suggested taking it in the morning because it does cause Insomnia in most people if taken late in the day, and it does cause a person to be irritable and aggressive.  It may depend on how much you take and the size of your body as to the type of side effects you may have.  It does make me irritable and causes me to have sleeping problems.  Just experiment to see how it effects you.  FYI.........dplookin

james1947

OK Dplookin, I will start taking in the morning. It is 3 AM now and I wake up, can't sleep.
Regarding aggressiveness, third day and still don't have, but also no any other "improvements"
I am taking one capsule per day, 1:200/300 mg. 180 cm tall, 76 kg weight.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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dplookin

James....you are lucky that it does not make you aggressive.  It does to some people.  If you doubled the amount you are taking, it might make you aggressive.  But, good luck.  dplookin

aazmaish

james ..
i took it before going to bed and endwd up wd an intercource that night .but as u say every human has its own nature and reaction to medicine  .. it might be different in your case ..
lets see if have some positive feelings after couple of days ..
wishing u good luck ..
Aazmaish.

james1947

I take it yesterday morning, no aggressiveness, hope will continue like that and then I may increase to 2 capsules per day.
To day wake up also at 4 AM, maybe not connected to Tongkat Ali.
Still not any benefits that I can mention.
I will see after a week from now.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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james1947

Just an update:
September 29 was my first capsule of Togkat Ali.
October 8, no any effect after taking one per day, after breakfast.
No aggressiveness, but also no other effect. 4 days already I am back on the 5 mg daily Cialis, in the evening.
Still need to take 25 mg Viagra for intercourse. The erections are far from 100%.
I will not make any changes now, as I will see a very good European urologist at 14. I will report after the visit.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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aazmaish

i was also confused wd so many companies selling the ONLY original Tongkat Ali (on web  )that i dropped the idea of buying it online (even though i was .....kind of hooked on Tongkat Ali for intercourse)..
the after affects of TA (Tongkat Ali)is not what manufacturer assured on net .. i was suspicious when u told u got one free bottle along with your purchase .. i will have to put lot of efforts to find the one which i bought ,  as to come back to u wd some positive information .
i was looking forward to hear some positive news reg (TA) so as to buy myself but it seems i have to plan a trip to buy that (TA)once again .
sorry my friend, it did not work  :-\..... it is good u have switched back to ur old treatment plan ..
Aazmaish

dplookin

The main purpose of Tongkat Ali, I believe, is to raise the Testosterone Levels.  It does work for a lot of people including myself.  I also take Testofen at times.  It is an extract of Fennugreek.  Testofen raises the Testosterone levels also.  Just FYI.........dplookin

james1947

My testosterone is 736 while 740 is the maximum in the range for my age (67).
So maybe don't have any reason to take it?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
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dplookin

James....Your comment sounds very logical.  

Jonbinspain

I tried Tongkat Ali - the real Indonesian stuff. Firstly, it's very expensive. Secondly, in my opinion, it is no more effective than cheaper alternatives. I have used Daa. I also use, organic Maca powder, Tribulus, and Testofen. Along with my gym work, I need no other assistance in getting hard as a rock.

I'm 65!.  

james1947

Jonbinspain

I am living in Indonesia and bought the staff from the supplier that all the "big's" buying.
It just not affecting me at all (or maybe I just think so?).
With my level of venous leakages, no way I can have something "hard like a rock", doesn't matter what I will take or how many hours per day I will spend in the gym.

James
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Jonbinspain

James;

As you say, it is sometimes difficult to assess whether or not any of these testosterone building supplements work, or are just some kind of placebo effect. In my own case, Tongkat may have helped somewhat, but compared to less expensive options it seemed to be no more effective.

For me, the combination of improved lifestyle, vastly improved health, 4-5 days gym work per week, and the supplements I mentioned + ALC, have all made a major contribution to the correction of my ED problems. If I could just get rid of this damn curvature!!....

As you also say, venous leakage is a whole another problem.  

dwilliam

Hello all, i am quite new to this platfrm so i hope i am not asking my question at a wrong place.
Ia there anyone who used prolargentsize herbal capsules. I have heard that it works, but would like to take the comment of someone who really used it.

Thanks in advance

Jonbinspain

A quick search seems to suggest that the major active ingredients are Tribulus Terrestris and  Epimedium, also known as Horny Goat Weed.

As I do a lot of gym work, I have used Tribulus myself. I can't say that I noticed any significant boost in my performance. Epimedium is a herb from Chinese medicine, which personally I have not tried.

My conclusion would be that you can almost certainly buy and try those two major ingredients separately, and I would suspect, far cheaper. They are both claimed to increase the amount of testosterone the body produces.  

UrsusMinor

Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed) is fun stuff, with a definite muscle-building boost. It also increases erections...possibly more than you'd like. For ED it would be one of my first stops. If you don't have ED, it might be overstimulating. I took Epimedium tea for a while just for anabolic purposes, but haven't revisited it in a couple of years. If you are looking for "herbal Viagra," I'd check it out.

james1947

My testosterone was very high before started Tongkat Ali.
I was just thinking it will help with erections. I will start again using it in a few weeks. I am getting it really not expensive

James
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javz1980

Buy generic pure tongkat ali and consume it in generous dosages. You can forget all the rest.  

james1947

This what I am buying javz1980, I had to stop as I had a surgery 6 weeks ago.
I will start again today.
What you mean "generous dosage"?

James
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andreflex7

Quote from: james1947 on October 08, 2014, 03:30:45 AM

No aggressiveness, but also no other effect. 4 days already I am back on the 5 mg daily Cialis, in the evening.
Still need to take 25 mg Viagra for intercourse. The erections are far from 100%.


Not to change the subject, but are you taking 5mg Cialis daily and then 25mg Viagra as needed? No side effects using both ED meds?

james1947

Yes, I have side effects, but I have no other option right now. Usually I am skipping the daily Cialis if I am taking the Viagra for intercourse.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
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GreeyEmoo

I have recently tried higher dosages of tongkat ali 1:50 extract (still in combination with 50 mg of Viagra), and I am thoroughly impressed.

The dosage I used has been twice a day 2 gram of extract, taken in the morning and in the early afternoon, both times during a meal (as I cannot bear the taste of the tongkat ali without eating a few bites first, and after having swallowed the extract, mixed into half a cup of lukewarm water).

First, I feel no side effects whatsoever, even from the higher dosages.

Initially, tongkat ali extract caused me a kind of hot-headedness, but this is no longer the case. However, one trial participant reported that he vomited after he ingested 15 gram (a full sample package) in one go.

In that it doesn't cause unpleasant side effects, tongkat ali is different from all other herbal and pharmacological aphrodisiacs I tested. Yohimbe has the worst side effect profile, as it causes serious heart palpitations and doesn't allow me to sleep for at least 20 hours after having ingested it. Another side effect of yohimbe is diarrhea. And I had feedback from people who seriously thought they wouldn't make it to the next morning.

Dopaminergics are also not free of side effects. At a sufficiently high dosage all of them cause a low-level nausea as well as extreme sleepiness. Also, the pro-sexual effect of dopaminergics wears off pretty fast, unless very large dosages are consumed (e.g. by Parkinson's patients).

The tongkat ali, on the other hand, seems to become better and better the longer I use it.

The following are my observations on large dosages.

Unless I am in a sexual situation, I don't actually feel much. I'm probably a little bit energized, as after having two or three cups of tea. But that's about it.

When, after having used rather large dosages over two or three days, I have intercourse, I am extraordinarily focused. I can easily go on for 20 minutes, and nothing, really nothing, can disturb my attention.

Now, don't laugh: When in a tongkat ali cycle, I can receive and answer a telephone call during intercourse, and lose neither my (Viagra-aided, 50 mg) erection, nor my mental focus on the sexual activity I am engaging in.

This is in stark contrast to what happens on Viagra alone. On Viagra alone, I can produce an erection upon physical manipulation of the erectile organ.

But that doesn't mean that I would be focused on intercourse. If a telephone call disturbs Viagra-only intercourse, I certainly won't continue. Actually, it has happened to me more than once that on Viagra only, I just stopped in the middle of intercourse without having reached an orgasm, simply because I was not interested in achieving one. And that was without the phone ringing.

Now, that's pretty bad. It's definitely worse than an orgasm without an erection.

Yes, tongkat ali keeps my eyes totally on the road to an orgasm, no matter what happens around me. I best compare this sexual focus with the focus on hearing music after having smoked marijuana. When hearing music on marijuana, I can identify every musical instrument in a compound sound. And I can enjoy the music even if there is disturbing, unrelated noise around me.

With tongkat ali extract at sufficiently high dosages over several days (4 grams of extract per day), I can receive and answer a phone call without stopping rhythmic penetration (and enjoy it just the same).