Stem Cell + Shockwave therapy by Dr Landers $7500

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Mentos

Got off the phone with Dr Landers today. Talked about his Shockwave + Stem Cell treatment. Apparently week long process... including 3 days of treatment... for $7500.

THOUGHTS?

WEBSITE: http://www.stemcellrevolution.com


PILOT STUDY ATTACHED (SMALL SAMPLE SIZE NOTED):
AUTOLOGOUS ADIPOSE DERIVED STROMAL VASCULAR FRACTION COMBINED WITH LOW INTENSITY SHOCK WAVE THERAPY FOR THE TREATMENT OF PEYRONIES DISEASE-A PILOT STUDY Elliot B. Lander MD, Mark H. Berman MD, Jackie R. See M.D


damian

If it's proven to cure peyronie's, than it would be a reasonable price, but for an experimental treatment it just smells like scam.

james1947

Difficult to say if it is a scam or not.
Dr. Landers is a reputable doctor as I read.
The results of the 5 man were significant.
From the other side, I was expecting they charge for the procedure much less or nothing as it is experimental and was made to 5 man only until now. If they were making a free trial I was saying that 100% is not a scam.

James  
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

MattFoley

If I had the money, I'd be all over it. Stem cells and shockwave will definitely have a place in working towards curing Peyronie's. More so stem cells but shockwave therapy seems theoretically capable of solving this puzzle.

Mentos, thanks for posting this info. Did the doctor explain how shockwave therapy would work and how it would help?
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damian

Matt, that's the problem. Many of us don't have money, but if it wouldn't look like scam that much (especially this homepage, with these two people smiling), I'd rob a bank to get this treatment. 5 patiens in this study and every one of them had good results. Smells fishy, no matter how reputable the doctors are.

jnbarizona

I underwent this treatment with Dr. Lander 8 weeks ago. I have seen no results so far, in fact, my bend is actually worse. I rushed into this, thinking I'd found a miracle. I know it's still early, he says it could take as much as 6 months. But the more thought I give this, regarding the pilot study of the 5 patients... that is based on a questionnaire that the patients fill out, not on an actual MRI to prove a reduction in plaque. So I'm not sure that this is actual proof of success. These are just my thoughts right now.  

I found Dr. Lander and his staff to be very professional. I believe he really does want to find a cure for this, and he is the most knowledgeable urologist I have ever spoke with(and I've spoke with many) regarding Peyronies Disease. I definitely don't think it's a scam, but I am a little skeptical about the success of the 5 patients on the pilot study.  

Mentos

jnbarizona

thanks for your input man. Sorry to  hear you have not had improvements.

Looks like I will be going forward with the priapus shot at this point since we are seeing the most positive benefits on this forum from it.


e2219e

Would you mind sharing what the treatment schedule was during the week?  When did you have what treatment, how often and on what days of the week?  I have some concerns about the combination of stem cell therapy and shockwave therapy occurring too close together.  NOTHING should be done to treat the area after stem cell injection for several days, if not weeks.  These cells are extremely fragile and easily damaged, as are the platelets that accompany the stem cells.  I hope you are willing to share.  Thanks.

jnbarizona

I had the shockwave done on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. My stem cells were injected after the shock on Wednesday. When I got back to my hotel on Wednesday after the shock, I bled a lot before I could stop the flow of blood. I kind of feel like a lost some of the stem cells that way, but the Dr. doesn't think so. My main question to him was 'where does the plaque go', he said he didn't know. I asked that question because he said he was breaking up the plaque with the needle when he injected the cells. I'm at almost 11 weeks now since the injection, with no improvement. Also, the liposuction was done from my back, and the stem cell count was 95 million.  

e2219e

I am not a physician, so its possible your doc knows something I don't.  That said, I see three things that are very wrong with what he told you and the procedure.  One, shockwave therapy 48 hrs after injection.  I can't see how that could have any positive effect on the injections.  Likely, it is damaging the cells injected.  And, if you were bleeding immediately after the procedure, and at high volume from the injection site, I can't believe he would tell you that you didn't lose some of those injected cells.  It's just dishonest on his part.  You absolutely would have.  Two, in that the plaque is scar tissue, imagine injecting a needle repeatedly into a scar anywhere on your body.  The answer the to question, "where does the plaque go?" is nowhere.  The needle doesn't do anything but poke small holes in it.  His procedure is based on the premise that the stem cells replace the plaque with healthy tissue.  As I said in an earlier post, that would be a tall order for stem cells.  The scar should be removed first, and completely, in my opinion.  Third, I am slightly disturbed by his telling you the stem cell count was 95 million.  How many cc's of final product did he use (may have started with 60cc's of anti-coagulated blood and spun it down to 3-10 cc's).  What type(s) of stem cells was he referring to? Any blood bank can do a platelet count, and many do on most or all PRP cases.  Stem cells is another story.  An accurate count would probably have cost him about 60K, making the $7500 he charged you a bit light:)  Currently, only one product on the market even has those numbers.  Ask him what centrifuge he used.  If it isn't the one I'm thinking of, he pulled that number out of a hat.  Honestly, if you got that info from him in writing, you'd likely get your $7500 back.  I am sincerely sorry that the treatment didn't work. I tend to believe physicians are attempting to do their best for their patients.  I am all for new approaches to treating this, and any other, disease.  Without that innovation, we as patients are doomed to continue suffering hopelessly.  I applaud you for taking a chance.  Innovators need us as well.  It just sounds like your doc threw out numbers when he didn't know the answer.  To anyone else considering this treatment, I'd be very skeptical.

ventura1

Just talked with doctor Landers about his treatment. The fees have now risen to 8,900. I have Ed friom Prostate cancer robotic surgery. He said because of my nerves partially damaged i would be rolling the dice as far as this working. He said the combination of shock wave and stem cells i might cure me. I told him i am about to enter a clinical trial for free on stem cells only treatment. His reply was that will not work cause i need the shock wave combined with the cells. Who do you believe? I guess i am going to try the clinical trial first and save 8,900 dollars.

james1947

ventura1

I agree that you should prefer the free clinical trial.
RD, a forum member, has done it with Dr. Landers without the shock therapy.
His latest post is here:
Peyronies Fading - Peyronies Society Forums

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

diamondback55

I was treated by Dr. Elliot Lander in the fall of 2013.  The cost at that time was $7,500.  I was 57 at the time and suffer from ED most likely related to longtime cycling and aging.  Lander and his staff are very professional.  He was quite accommodating to my schedule and treated me from Wednesday thru Sunday when I flew back to Virginia. He did shock wave Therapy Wednesday, shock wave therapy on Friday before deploying stem cells and then shock wave therapy on Sunday morning.  I had no bleeding at my injection site, but it took several weeks for my back to get back to normal after the liposuction.  Like some here, I rushed into this thinking this was going to be a miracle cure. I was very optimistic. It has been more than a year now and I am sad to say there has been no improvement.  He has offered to do another treatment at a significant discount (about half).  I am not certain that I will follow up with him.  I think there are others out there with perhaps better protocols.  There are a lot of doctors beginning to study stem cell treatment for ED and are running their own trials.  I have spoken to many (more than a dozen) and I have not found one who will share the details of their results or have even defined what "success" is.  Even Dr. Lander didn't share much (even when pressed).  I don't believe the success rate is well documented or defined.  While I am still investigating stem cell therapy, I think this science is still in its infancy and probably offers little real hope at this time for a cure.    My advice to you all is ask lots and lots of questions.  I have been talking to a doctor in Colorado who is using a new protocol and I may go see him.  The cost is a flat $8K.   I am also considering going overseas (India).    

james1947

diamondback55

Sorry it Stem Cell therapy didn't worked for you. Same as PRP didn't worked for me.
Thank you for posting regarding your experience, it will help others to decide if to go on this way.
But I have a question:
You are stating that you didn't benefit from the treatment. Why to try it again?
Did you try other treatments for ED?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum