DMSO and DMSO based Solutions

[Rzz]

I received this question and another question in my private messages. the 2nd question can be seen in the post before this one. Since they were sent to me in my private box, I will not attach thier names. I will try to answer the best I can.
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Hi Rzz,

I'm interested to know if DMSO can help my condition.  I acquired peyronie's when i was a teenager learning to masturbate in an unorthodox way.  I didn't know that I had peyronie's until now, eleven years later.  I have a twenty degree left curve, which doesn't bother me so much.  What bothers me more is the very tight hourglass shape my flaccid penis takes on at times, for some reason more when i'm cold and sitting on the toilet.  Only when it tightens into the hourglass am I really able to feel scarring.  Otherwise it just seems to disappear when the hourglass fills out.  It's very strange, and has caused me to go into pretty deep depression at times.  I'm very interested in learning more about dmso, because I think it's my only hope of improving my stable peyronie's.  Thus far I've been very hesitant to try it.
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First there is something I'm not sure I understand about your question. You say you aquired Peyronies Disease by masturbating in an unorthadox way and you didn't know you had Peyronies Disease until now, 11 years later. Are you saying you've had Peyronies Disease for 11 years and did not know it until now? What makes you think you've had it for 11 years? Do you mean you've had the symptoms of Peyronies Disease for 11 years and you've just now been officially diagnosed by a doctor as having Peyronies Disease?

Two things and I stated these in the post just before this one. For me to explain all about DMSO and the treatment of Peyronies Disease with DMSO would take many, many pages. So I strongly suggest you read the entire thread "Powerful Home Remedy." After you've read it or while you're reading it, if you don't understand something, please ask and I will happily answer.

You mention you've been hesitant to try Thackers Formula. I assume this is for safety reasons. That is understandable. I'm not tryig to convince you to try it or not try it. That decision is yours, but as far as the safety issue goes I will say this. I've done tons and tons of research on DMSO and Thackers Formula. In my opinion and although you may or may not achieve positive results, it is very safe in the treatment of Peyronies Disease as long as you follow the instructions. The worst results I've seen reported is a slight redness and burning and these went away after 2-3 days. In addition, these side effects were not caused by the DMSO as most people think, but instead they were caused by the apple cider vinegar used in the formula.

If you read the post I wrote before this one, you will see that I stated the "Hourglass Affect" is one of the least responsive to any type of treatment, including Thacker's Formula. This does not mean postive results absolutely can not be had. You did not state your condition when erect. Is the hourglass affect worse when erect? Are you able to have intercourse? These questions are helpful in giving you a full answer to your question. Again please read the post I wrote right before this one.

Depression is in my opinion the worst effect of Peyronies Disease. Doctors are finally now starting to realize this. What I can say to you is that there is hope. This disease is FINALLY getting some serious attention by the medical community. We still have a long way to go, but it is moving in a positive direction. Hang in there and one piece of advice. Do something about your Peyronies Disease. What I mean is attack it. Don't just sit around and wait for something to happen. Try something. Be very careful and do your research, but try something.

Good luck and hang in there friend,       Rzz

[Rzz]

I received this in my private messages and will try to answer the best I can.

*** "Hello, I am sort of new to this forum and don't have any knowledge about this formula or DMSO? I currently have an Hourglass shape at the base and have been prescribed Topical TV which was very expensive out of pocket. I thought I would look into other options as well, when I ran across your last post on this. Any info would be greatly appreciated." ***

The first thing I strongly suggest you do is read the entire thread of "Powerful Home Remedy." Yes it is a long thread, but you need not read it all in one sitting." The information in this thread is invaluable in not only understanding "Thacker's Formula," but also the use of DMSO in treating Peyronies Disease.

With the exception of surgery, unfortunetly and regardless of the type of treatment, the hourglass shape is the most difficult to see postive results in. This does not mean postive results can not be had, it just appears it is the least responsive to treatment. This includes the "Thacker Formula." One must understand, if postive results are going to be seen with any treatment, it is going to take time. Not days or weeks, but months and months. Some have not seen results until more than a year has passed. Again, I strongly suggest you read the entire Thacker's Formula thread and if you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. I hope this helped.               Rzz

[Rzz]

Hello. My forum name is Rzz. Over the last 2 years I've done tons and tons of research on DMSO itself and its use in treating Peyronies Disease, including "Thacker's Formula." For anybody who is new to this area and even for those who have read about it before and are looking at it again, I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you may have regarding the subject. If I do not have the answer, I more than likely can find it or know some top experts who I can call to find it. Remember, Peyronies Disease is still a mystery; so of course there may be some questions about DMSO and Peyronies Disease for which there is no answer. For some unknown reason the use of DMSO in treating Peyronies Disease helps some, but doesn't help others. Also, for those who do see improvemnt, the degree of improvement varies. One thing is for certain, one will never see improvement with DMSO unless it is used correctly and with care. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. If I don't get back to you right away, don't be discouraged. I will respond as soon as possible. Ussually no more than 4-5 days. Thanks,       Rzz

[totheleft]

hello all, hope everyone had a good holiday...

I have been using Thackers formula, for the past three weeks plus I started using primrose oil massage on my plaque after I have taken off the thackers dressing for the past week. Can anyone tell me , how long after using the thackers formula that they started seeing a reduction in the curve. On top of all this I am also using daily Gamma Vit E, Vitalzym, and acetl L carnitine /lipoic acid combo. It has been 11 months since my first symptoms and still no results except for the reduction in pain. By the way also used topical verapamil for six months which only resulted with less money in my pocket.........................my best to evryone ........totheleft

[learn4life]

What is the scientific basis for the belief that a mixture of DMSO, ACV and Castor Oil might selectively attack the Type III Collagen found in Peyronie's tissue?

I think this is very good question J. I am interested in dmso but I need to ask myself why would this help? I do think dmso might reduce some of the inflamation in the area but I agree it could not possibly selectively attack type III collagen. So it could be helpful but just not a cure. there is some great info on dmso at dmso.org including studies.

Dmso plus ingriedients to produce Pro-E1+Nitric Oxide , deeply into the penile colagen scars/nerves/Arteries/Veins might actually help cure Peyronies Disease?
It could dissolve it gradually.

I wish to try the above as Iam experiencing good results with daily
Fish oil/vip cream/ACV massage. In my case  it has tooking over a year to dissolve some of the colagen scars with small hiccups along the way.

I have ordered from DMSO from US but they cant ship it out to the UK so if anyone has any UK links to where I can purchase DMSO, please let me know. It would be much appreciated.

I seriously think this treatment could finish off dissolving the remaining deep Peyronies Disease colagen scars.

Cheers !

[Joshua]

What is the scientific basis for the belief that a mixture of DMSO, ACV and Castor Oil might selectively attack the Type III Collagen found in Peyronie's tissue?

I think this is very good question J. I am interested in dmso but I need to ask myself why would this help? I do think dmso might reduce some of the inflamation in the area but I agree it could not possibly selectively attack type III collagen. So it could be helpful but just not a cure. there is some great info on dmso at dmso.org including studies.

[Barry]

Hopeful,

Look two posts down and you will find a revised version of the Thacker formula. I will send you a private message as well just in case you miss this post.

Regards,
Barry

[j]

What is the scientific basis for the belief that a mixture of DMSO, ACV and Castor Oil might selectively attack the Type III Collagen found in Peyronie's tissue?

[Barry]

By request I am posting a newly revised version of the Thacker Formula to this topic.


Thacker Formula-Revised…12/17/05

An Informational,

My communications with Thacker confirmed much of what was believed from the little information initially given. The discussions covered the following, Thackers use and results of his Grandfathers Formula…..Doctor Thacker, Thacker stated that Peyronies Disease starting with Doctor Thacker, who suffered from Peyronies Disease, as well as his uncles, father and himself. It seems to indicate in theory that Thackers family from his Grandfather to himself had a Genetic Pre-Disposition to this disease. Thacker indicated to me that DMSO and its quality was of the utmost importance, as expressed to him by Doctor Thacker and clarified many times. Unfortunatly, the source of Doctor Thackers DMSO is unknown. This does not negate the other two ingredients in any way and their importance to the formula. Thacker confirmed the 70%-20%-10% mixture as what was used by him. Thacker did stress that a high quality Apple Cider Vinegar be used, I told him that many men were using organic ACV and he did not agree nor disagree, but additional research indicated and confirmed that Organic ACV should be used. Castor Oil is generic in nature, so any brand will do. Thacker said that his Grandfather used the formula on men with Dupuytrens Contracture, aka (DC), he did not mention results, but it was used never the less.

Taking nothing from Thacker, it must be understood that he was for the most part a “user” of this formula, and did not in fact know much as to what the components did or why. His Grandfather mixed it for him; Doctor Thacker pre-mixed the formula, and gave it to him as needed with instructions on how to apply it.



I suggest strict self-obedience with the treatment and trust that it will work. It takes some time.
You must keep the wrap soaked during application.
The garlic odor from the application could be bathed off and a scented cream such as Aloe Vera applied to the penis after application, but the internal odor that omits through the skin pores and breath, is something you have to live with, and I can only suggest strong breath mints and wear cologne to envelop the smell. That will usually cover it. My own personal research has concluded that gently massaging the plaque after application is acceptable as long as it does not incur pain. Do this for about five-ten minutes.


THE FOLLOWING IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THACKER TO ME

QUOTE
“I usually followed my evening application with a hot bath and massaged the plaque forcefully but not painfully. It took about three to four months for me to start seeing results and then positive results started coming quickly. The hard nodules will suddenly start getting soft. They may break apart. Once that starts happening things improve fast. You should realize increased erection quality right off the bat. The DMSO
will smooth the muscle in the penis.”
“Once the hard nodules start getting soft or breaking up into bits. It took about six more months of application and message to finish it off. My penis then healed almost back to pre-Peyronies Disease. I would say that I am 90% where I was. I no longer have any hard pieces of plaque in my penis. I have one small indentation left where a huge piece of plaque was that did not heal all the way back. The curve will reduce slowly as plaque resolves. I started with a 50 degree curve when it was at its worse, and now, no noticeable curve”
END QUOTE


Mixing Procedure,

You MUST, wash your hands with any type of hand or body soap prior to the mixing process.
The formula CAN be premixed. How many days in advance were not discussed with Thacker but all indications lead to 3-5 days. The premixed batch must be sealed when not in use and kept at room temperature. (DO NOT refrigerate premixed batches). The formula is comprised of 70%DMSO-20%Apple Cider Vinegar-10%Castor OIL. In order to mix the formula use three separate 10cc syringes and draw the liquid up to the 1, 2, or 7 mark depending on the liquid. Then squirt each one into a small glass bowl and mix well with an eyedropper.


Application Method.

Warm the formula prior to use; this should be common to its application. Soak the mixture on a flannel sheet of cloth (NO coloring, MUST be white) or an appropriately sized strip of sterilized gauze. Wrap the cloth completely around the penis, then to hold it in place use white medical tape, rubber bands or uncolored string. Do this application once daily (the evening hours would be preferable to most), and as consistently as possible through the week. The duration in time should not be less then 1/2 hour, although 1-2 hours is favored. DO NOT refrigerate pre- mixed batches, if you do, throw that batch away. Also, if you get redness or blistering, discontinue use and apply Diaper Rash Medicine or Aloe Vera to ease the problem and correct it. Once corrected continue treatment.


CAUTION!
DMSO is a very safe solvent when purchased in a pharmaceutical grade of at least 99.96% purity.
While the bottle is open and/or the batch is being pre-mixed be very cautious and not get it into you eyes. If you do go the nearest E.R, they will know how to treat you with an eyewash.
Also, pure DMSO is not to be taken internally. The same conditions apply as to the above remedy.

DMSO is a very powerful delivery agent, meaning that it will transfer thru your skin and into your body anything on your hands, so it MUST be used under Sterile Conditions.


DMSO on line Purchase Sites,

www.webvitamin.com Natures gift
www.lifesvigor.com Natures Gift
www.herbalremedies.com Clinic Service Co.
www.kornax.com Rich’s



I am not a Doctors and do not profess to be, I am however, an avid researchers and bring this treatment to you with no promise of efficacy but, but most assuredly a sparkle of hope.
This formula is an ALTERNATIVE, non-Medicinal treatment. Years of research have been invested by me and another Peyronies Disease survivor who’s research efforts played a solid role in putting this formula together thus allowing me to put this formula in writing for all Peyronies Disease sufferers to try. Your Doctors may attempt to convince you that the use of this treatment is flippant; the ultimate decision to use this treatment is up to you. The general statement Doctors use is, “it has no basis in science”, to that I say, tell that to the many men who have had efficacious results. Also, there are NO RX contraindications to this formula and it’s not invasive. Used as directed, it is as dangerous as taking an aspirin.


Good Luck,
Barry, aka, PDFTD,
Peyronies Disease researcher,Advocate and Survivor for 12 years
 
 

[Hawk]

The previous 2 posts were made under "Women Speak Out" in response to a recommendation by Phil to use DMSO.

Let the discussion continue !      

[Barry]

To whom it may concern,

Everyone is allowed to express their opinion on this forum. Some opinions are based on fact and others based on conjecture. At the risk of sounding pretentious my knowledge in both research and application of DMSO is vast. For anyone to say that DMSO plays no efficacious role in the treatment of Peyronie’s Disease is tantamount to ignorance by its very definition. I have worked personally (one on one) and on forums with countless men with the Thacker Formula for example, DMSO is the driving force behind that formula. DMSO has also proven itself as a stand-alone treatment as well. Those who would choose to disclaim my statements need only read the 1,000 posts available on this forum pertaining to the Thacker Formula and my involvement in its current developed state.

I also have available to anyone, a complete A-Z instructional explaining how to use the Thacker Formula authored by me.    

Warm Regards,
Barry    


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[j]

Phil, I dsagree about DMSO.  I think that one is just a lot of 3rd-hand rumors and wishful thinking.  







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[phil]

I went to the link and found reference to using DMSO to carry cortisone deeper into tissue.  I recall an earlier post wherein someone suggested this.  Has anyone used DMSO with hydrocortisone?  or verapimil?

[Delafoo]

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:36 am      
 
Guest

 It's dcaptain (sorry, I'll email you Hawkman about this, but just wanted to post again first). For those of us not in the know, what's DSMO?

Thanks.
 
 

Having just finished Organic Chemistry, I too was wondering the use of DMSO, as it is frequently used in synthesis reactions (reactions to make certain chemicals).  Its often used chemically as an electron acceptor, a solvent for a reaction, or a medium for a reaction.

The link below makes sense in the articles cite dimethylsulfoxide as a free-radical scavenger, just meaning that it likes free electrons, and picks them up. 

I'm glad to see that this is written by seemingly credible sources.

bb

I too was wondering the efficacy of DMSO, so I did google it, here is a web page with 5 links linked to science papers.  http://www.dmso.org/subLevels/what.htm 

[jess99504]

I have thought about using DMSO, but I in the medical field and am around the public all day. I hear that it causes you to smell?? It that true. What about the unscented stuff??

[learn4life]

I just wanted to give an update on my variation of the thacker formula. So far I am still pain free, the plaque nodules are smaller and I now have about a 10 degree reduction in curve. I am taking neprinol, msm, a multy V and using the thackers for about 2 hours 5 to 6 nights a week. I am blown away. I was able to have sex on Friday with no pain or discomfort during or after. There is still a curve but I'm hopefull that I will continue to improve.  Now that the curve is reducing I am starting to dvelop the "hinge efeect" that tohers have talked about and a bit of the hourglass shape. It is more narrow at the base.  

Hey Nik ! Thats awesome news That must be the best feeling to be able to enjoy sex the
way it should be ... PAIN FREE Woot !!

P.s Nik would you say it is best to massage the formula in or is it better to leave it on for a few hours?

[Hawk]

Phil,

There are risks.  I know it is a lot, but there are 1000 posts under "Powerful home remedy" on this forum in addition to this topic.  I would not use DMSO until you studied that topic and this one in detail.

The information is here, the challenge is your's 

[phil]

MY specialist never mentioned DMSO, however my GP did when I went for my physical.   Are there any risks to using DMSO?  Has anybody had a bad reaction?

[Joshua]

What would you guys pick from the following :
http://www.ihealthtree.com/dmso.html
Is 70% pure best or maybe 90%?
What about Oil versus cream??

I would pick the listed Dmso Liquid, 99.9% Pure Dmso, Unscented, 8oz,
Good Luck!!
Joshua
Keep me posted I am very interested in DMSO.

[learn4life]

Hey folks, hows things everyone?

I got the L-Carnitine from Puritan website and Im abit
excited of its arrival ;P

What would you guys pick from the following :


http://www.ihealthtree.com/dmso.html


Is 70% pure best or maybe 90%?

What about Oil versus cream??

Has anyone bought from this website before?

Hey NIKK if your reading..? How is your Peyronies Disease getting on?

Any success with the Thackers?

BTW Nikk I have been on the Neprinol 3x3 a day for a week now...
I dont think I have noticed any changes but will keep it going for a while longer.

The 100% cure will come one day... 

[nick]

I just wanted to give an update on my variation of the thacker formula. So far I am still pain free, the plaque nodules are smaller and I now have about a 10 degree reduction in curve. I am taking neprinol, msm, a multy V and using the thackers for about 2 hours 5 to 6 nights a week. I am blown away. I was able to have sex on Friday with no pain or discomfort during or after. There is still a curve but I'm hopefull that I will continue to improve.  Now that the curve is reducing I am starting to dvelop the "hinge efeect" that tohers have talked about and a bit of the hourglass shape. It is more narrow at the base. 

[Joshua]

To All,
The Thacker formula has been placed on the Peyronies Disease Coalition web site for you all to read as of Thursday 09/29/05 11:45 pm cst.

The site url is  www.peyroniesdiseasecoalition.org

Barry

That is a very nice presentation of the home remedy treatment AKA Thacker formula. Great work Barry. I encourage members to read it.
Joshua

[Barry]

To All,
The Thacker formula has been placed on the Peyronies Disease Coalition web site for you all to read as of Thursday 09/29/05 11:45 pm cst.



Barry

[Barry]

Hey,
It's been along time Terry. For the members to see I will answer your question here on the forum. I am going to contact you by e-mail so we can talk as well.

Yes Terry, Thacker formula does work. Like every other treatment RX or alternative it seems to be pot luck if you will be the one who has efficacy, and if so to what degree? I have heard from some that they had nodules that the Thacker formula melted away before their very eyes. On the other hand some have reported the formula as a dud. With the cost of the ingredients being so low it's worth a try.

If we can get that silky soft smooth tool of yours straight, you will be the talk of Anchorange amoung the ladies.

I'm going to post the formula on the PDC web site in the next 24 hours for anyone to read if they want.

Regards,
Barry

[Joshua]

Jess:
also read the home remedy thread. It has about 1000 posts that discuss the thacker formula.

[jess99504]

Hey Barry. This is Terry form Anchorage... Does that formula really work is there any hope?? Tried Emu Oil and Vit E the only thing that did was make my skin soft. Besides it felt too good rubbing it in!!
You can e-mail me here at work also Terry.Cunitz@med.va.gov

[nick]

I have been using my variation of the Thacker's formula for about 2 1/2 weeks now. Today at work having a really crappy day. I got spontanious wood. I don't know if it has any thing to do with the formula but things are feeling pretty ggod down there. I may even try to use it soon.

[Barry]

Glenn,
Actually the use of DMSO is approved by the FDA in two medical treatments.The first is in the event of head injuries that involve swelling of the brain. The other is a specific condition of the bladder that escapes me now.

You are so right on in your post about the use of DMSO in Europe and other areas of the world. DMSO is the leading treatment in Russia for arthritis.

Barry

PS: Welcome to the forum and thanks for your contribution

[Barry]

Flexor,

The Thacker formula came to the Peyronies Disease community a few years ago from a post on the now useless forum www.biospecifics.com  . It is posted under “powerful home remedy” and “powerful home remedy thread 2”. There are over 1000 posts, which made it the most talked about topic, ever, on that forum.

The formula, an alternative treatment, was created by a Doctor, his name was Thacker. I maintained conversation with his grandson for a few months off and on and we discussed his grandfathers’ treatment. Thacker himself had Peyronies Disease, all the males in his immediate family had it, as did Doctor Thacker and many of his patients whom he treated with this formula.

I will post to the PDC web site by your request the formula and how to use it. It harmed no one and has efficacy proven over time as used by many who reported results. Many had no remarkable result. The formula has been the study of a compound pharmacy in the past. This pharmacy had no comments inferring danger.

That Flexor is the extent to which I will go as far as your multi question post is concerned. I don’t suspect that if you have an RX filled you pick the pharmacists brain to the extent that you are attempting to pick rzz or mine. With that said you have over 1000 posts to read which will satisfy many of your questions in detail, all that is needed is the time and effort to read all the posts.

Regards,
Barry   

   

[Glenn]

DMSO is used in other countries by itself as a remedy for various things.  It has never made it past the  FDA for use in US, but it is used in European, Asian, and Middle Eastern countries.  One of the more commonly known uses is wrapping sprained ankles  with it.   It reportedly takes the swelling away within an hour or two. 

[bob]

Castor oil seems to be a favored remedy among naturopaths. My wife and I brought our daughter to an N.D. when she was 2 1/2 for a facial rash. She diagnosed food allergies using kinesthesiology - kind of a wierd regimen if you ask me, but we removed items from her diet and it worked. She also gave us a bottle of castor oil to rub on her belly. This was supposed to have something to do with her systemic issues regarding both the allergies and her impulsiveness. (She's 7 and still hard to control.) She cautioned us just to use the kind she gave us. There's a message on the bottle: "Recommended in the Edgar Cayce readings." He sounded vaguely familiar, so I looked him up. He was a weathy spiritualist.

[Glenn]

Flexor,

In the E-Book "The Naturapathic Approaches to Peyronies Disease"  by W. Bodri there is disussion of the Thackers Formula's ingredients.  I would try to post some of it but it is 7 pages long.

Castor Oil among some naturopathic  groups is heralded as having various  healing potential.  It alledgedly works to soften and eliminate cysts.  If you want, I will be glad to try to email you some of the discussion of ingredients. Each one of them has a basis in naturopathic reputation for being included in the formula.

Glenn

[flexor]

While we are all waiting to see if Nick spontaneously combusts, I wonder if Barry or Rzz could comment on the logic behind Thacker’s Formula. I don’t believe that Thacker woke up one morning and thought “Well, last week we tried kerosene, cola and axle grease, and that didn’t work, so this week we will try  DMSO, ACV and Castor oil, and if that doesn’t work, next week we will try something else.” I suspect that Thacker may have had a good reason for using these items, and that any experimenting would be in the percentages.

1. DMSO. A skin penetrant. So that makes sense, but is that all it does ? If DMSO is only a carrier, then only the ACV and the CO can be the active ingredients. Or does DMSO itself have some effect on the plaque ?

2. Apple Cider Vinegar. Vinegar is an old wives remedy for clearing scars. Any other reason for its use?  Why Apple Cider vinegar ? Did Thacker live in an apple-rich community, and this was the easiest to hand, or is there something special about ACV, which means it is the only one to use?

3 Castor Oil. This is the odd one. Looking through the literature of things that have been tried for Peyronies Disease, Castor Oil does not appear. Is it of a molecular weight that can be carried through the skin by the DMSO? What role would it play if it gets to the plaque? Does it soften it ? Or is it just a topical emollient, like zinc & castor oil ointment, to sooth any surface skin irritation caused by the DMSO.

[nick]

Thank you Barry I appreciate what you're saying. I would never take anything you say as an attack or anything. I understand what you are saying but at this point I am willing to take the risk. I have myself on a 2 week trial so to speak. After that I plan to evaluate the entire situation. The thing that I put in the mix I am aware of what they do and that why I have used them. I have spent quite a bit of time learning what theses things do and how the body may react. So I feel that the amount I'm using will cause irritation yes. However I feel pretty safe that it would not be fatal or anything of the like. I'm paying pretty close attention to how my body is reacting. I'm checking heart rate, temp, watching for GI issues, staying very hyrdrated. So I am in now way going into this lightly. I don't have the luxury of a lab or little critters to experiment on. When guys started using the thaker formula, soy isoflavones  or any of the other thing we have tried. None of us knew what would happen. So if I can say guys this is working or dudes don't try this, then I feel I have done my part for all of us. I really honestly feel I have to take this risk.

[Barry]

Nick,
Please don't let your frustrations get the best of you. I will not try to stop you from doing what is considered by most bizarre. But I will throw some cautions at ya.This compound that you are taking is contraindicated if you are taking blood thinners,I feel that you should know that. You are taking two transdermal agents just in case you are not aware of that. Dmso and emu oil both have transdermal properties but of a different nature. One is a greater penetrant than the other. This could be a bit shakey with all the things that your taking as well. I strongly suggest that you stop the use of emu oil in tandem with DMSO.Take one or the other,not both.

The smell your wife speaks of would likely be from the DMSO, because DMSO changes its chemical composition when it enters the body and emits an odor from the skin pores and  breath. Also if you are getting a red rash or burn on your unit you need to treat that. First you should stop using the compound until the redness goes away and treat it with pure unscented aloe vera. My friend you only have one pecker and it is already in trouble not by your choice but, this thing you are doing is a delebrate decision to place you unit into a meltdown. I am asking you to exercise some good judgment in what your doing that is all. Don't take my post as an insult or personal attack as that is far from the reason I am speaking with you. Please slow down and consider what your doing and what I have said to you. That is all I ask.  Good Luck!!!!!!!

Barry   

[nick]

Thank you for your concern. I am and will be careful. There is a certain degree of risk that I am willing to take. I'm not crazy though, there is even a point that I say it's just not worth it. Like the guy once upon a time on the biospecifics forum that was talking about cutting the plaque out with finger nail clippers. That was even to crazy for me.

[Larry H]

Please let me add my two cents worth here. I have great, no make that grave concerns about this type of experimentation. All have been admonished by both Barry and Rzz to follow the formula carefully. DMSO is powerful and this is way over the top on the risk meter.

Barry, this needs your input!!

Larry H

[Hawk]

Also, it would be my guess that just because an item can be ingested does not mean it can safely be carried straight to the blood stream.  Organisms that are destroyed by the digestive tract or substances changed by the digestive tract may be unhealthy to take straight into the blood and tissue.

CAUTION ! and good luck (to you and the lab rat) 

[Joshua]

Nick,
Please be careful what you mix with dmso. Remember it is carrying it into your bloodstream. Don't mix anything with dmso you wouldn't or couldn't eat. However, good luck and be careful, PLEASE

[nick]

No I'm not a chemist :-) Just frustrated like everyone else. I just started reading a bit about compounding. I took that with of the info that we as informed Peyronies Disease sufferers take in.  My thought was damn it if nobody is gonna help us then maybe I can. I do my own test study on myself, make my own formula and so on. I hope this helps . I'll report any all results.

[Barry]

Joshua,

I have lost contact with Thacker. He stopped replying to my e-mails to be honest. I think he just did not want to be bothered with it all anymore. He was never rude or un-willing to cooperate he was a real nice guy.He just took a hike from it all. Hope that answered your question.

Barry

BTW, If you have any questions about the Thacker formula I will give them a shot if you want me too.
I am one of the final developers of the formula as it is now. Rzz is the other, he put alot of time into it as well.

[Hawk]

Nick,

Are you a chemist by trade, or are you just trying to put lab rats out of business?

Where in the heck did you come up with this concoction?  Heat resulting from mixing two solutions is pretty solid evidence of a chemical change, meaning you no longer have solution #1 and #2 .  You have a brand new solution #3.  Who can guess what soulution you get tossing in several more components.

[nick]

Good morning all, hope all is well. I have been fooling around with the Thaker formula over the last couple weeks. Here is what I have come up with. I have a day formula and a night formula. The night formula I stared with the recomended mixture (70-20-10). To the DMSO I first took one neprinol capsule and opened it and mixed with the DMSO. I waited about 30 min to make sie it was completely disovled. After disolved I mixed in the ACV and castor oil. I also added 1/2 part emu oil (half the amount of the castor oil) and a 1/4 part copper pepptides. I use a sterile gauze pad. I take an eye dropper and soak it. I apply it to the area. I then take rolled gauze and wrap it. Once it is in place I soak the rest with an eye dropper. After nice and moist (not drpping) I wrap with cellophane. It seems to trap the heat and cut back on the smell. I use a heating pad for 30 min. Then since I do this in the evening I leave it one for the rest of the night. I must really soak in because the little woman said she smells the ACV on my breath. Keeping My schlong wrapped while sleeping seems to add support too. Now my day formula is pretty much the same mixture. the difference are 3 things. I also open and add 1 capsule of L-arganine and 1 capsule of MSM (I know of the connection of MSM and DMSO). Once mixed I take 1/2 teaspoon (it it perfect for the mix I make) of white petroleum jelly  . I stick it in the microve for 5 sec. just enough to make liquid. While still liquid but not to hot ( to much heat will break down the enzymes in the neprinol and the avc.  I mix the petroleum jelly in with the mix. I put the lid on the container (I'm using a large pill bottle). I shake the crap out it, for about 15 min (good arm workout :-) . I loosen the cap as the heat may pop it off. I then just let the mixture cool and turn into a cream. In the morning after removing the wrap I wash my junk and then slather on this cream. I have been doing this for about 4 days. In the morning the skin is a little raw but the cream helps with that. So I am going to use for about 5 days and then not use for a day. In the 4 days there has been no reduction in curve (no suprise). The one big change is that the hardest portion of the tendon lie plaque and scar feels softer. It also seems to hand a little straighter when limp. With these small results I am very hopeful for atleast a minimal change. Every little stepp forward is better than one back. I am also still taking my enzymes, co-enzymes, multi V and msm.

[Joshua]

Barry:
Do you ever have any further contact with the Thacker family? I hope he will join and answer some questions about the formula.

[nick]

Yes Joshua I am going to try it again. I stated before but I think I had the mix off. I used a 70% dmso and 30% aloe blend. I did notice though that even with that mix. I noticed a difference in the feeling when using a heating pad. There was like a tingling in the area of the scar. So I would say (personal opinion) when using the formula use a heating pad. Pack and wrap your pecker. Than put on a heating pad. I used the heat and formula for about 30 min. The problem is that I only used it for about 2 weeks before stopping (long story).

[Joshua]

Are you trying the Thacker formula? I think topical use of DMSO has merit but I am reluctant to mix it as instructed in the thacker formula. I know a bodybuilder that uses DMSO after workouts. He swears it reduces pain and inflamation.
The dmso.org website has so much great informtion.

[nick]

I am going to try it again but I think I f'd up. I got the Nature's way DMSO. 99.9 % pure. After the fact and after all my haste I read on . It is 90% DMSO and 10% distiled water. Is that bad ?

[Joshua]

Nick:
I suggest you go to BTC and read the entire home remedy threads. I suggest you also PM Barry F and RZZ and ask for advice. I remember something about the brand of dmso being important if not vital. Good Luck and keep us updated , if you try it again. hell, it seems safe and if your in a bad way, go fot it and good luck

[nick]

I tried the formula for about 30 days. I followed the procedue to the letter. I even added heat to aid in the penetration. I did feel like a tingling but that was it. I never experienced a taste or anything. My feeling was while i was mixing that the mixture wasn't right. The whole 70 20 thing I had a hard time with. I am more than willing to try again. Could some body help me out in terms that my feeble brain can understand. Like 1 tble spoon DMSO teaspoon  ACV that kind of thing. Also is there really enough enzymes in the ACV that quickly ? Could one add more enzymes ? Any help would be great I would love to try it again. Maybe the formula and the infared light thing as a combo.

[Joshua]

I am still very interested in an arginine and DMSO mix. I have read about l-arginine being added to diabetic feet rubs/cream to promote blood flow. I would love to see what dmso/l-arginine mixed would do to the penis for blood flow.